Don't lose yo village! - Page 5

On November 12 2010 12:09 Coagulation wrote:

5. Glasse
Posting quality and town contribution fluctuates based on his roles he receives
if hes got a role hes not happy with hes pretty bad
if hes got a decent role he contributes alot

On November 15 2010 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

well

you look like scum to me
coagulation is our worst player
i don't trust glasse's inactivity and iirc he made a kinda bad scummy post on me but that could have been in kingmaker, i don't exactly remember

On November 15 2010 12:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
glasse wasn't even in kingmaker so it was in this game

On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam.

On November 16 2010 07:27 LSB wrote:
Youngminii, please shoot glasse or Kenpachi. They're kinof inactive.

On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote:
What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument?

On November 18 2010 06:20 Pandain wrote:

And we caught the second mafia.

On November 18 2010 06:30 LSB wrote:
-maintains radio silence-
Keep a clean thread for the final day please
(I tracked Pandain)

On November 18 2010 06:40 Pandain wrote:

Dr. H accuses him, glasse accuses back and tries to make Dr. H seem less credible.



And yes, I want glasse to respond to all this.
I'll do an analysis hopefully after I get back from this political group thingamabobber, but until then I'll just be pointing out inconsitincies/proofs.

On November 18 2010 06:35 Pandain wrote:
And I have full faith I'll be able to get him lynched so we win, since he has already messed up several ways.
1.Keeps suggesting you could be fake, while saying he protected himself because he didn't believe you, and he still doesn't believe you now, yet he "protected LSB second night."
2.He immediately claims he's shrink, which suggests either
1.He's VERY VERY VERY VERY rash. or
2.He's thought this out already, and knows what to do(try to get me lynched)

You tracked me night one, that lends credence to me. What does Glasse have? His word?

On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:


rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more

You've faked claimed poorly.
1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is.
2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.)
3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.)

On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote:

Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed.
And why in the world would mafia RNG.

On November 18 2010 11:03 Pandain wrote:


Again, LSB WAS 100% confirmed.
Name one instance he could not be.

On November 19 2010 06:05 Pandain wrote:
"I don't feel like I need to explain more or try to twist your already scummy posts my way"

When would you ever?

On November 18 2010 21:04 Glasse wrote:
i'm not at school its 7 am, im leaving in about 1 hour for college :3

On November 19 2010 01:34 Glasse wrote:
wait i didnt send my night action why was the day started?

On November 19 2010 05:21 Pandain wrote:
Why Glasse's claim of shrink does not fit(Also an Analysis of his posts)
Summary: glasse has not played pro town this game. He has offered poor advice, has played scummily, made contradictions, and says to have performed actions which simply do not make sense. Dr. H was right when he pinned Glasse/kenpachi as the mafia team. I urge you to read this post, and not just skim it, as I bring up very good points here.
His Posts:


First post and it already bodes ill for him. Note his relunctance to roleclaim. Now, its obvious he feels that doctors/shrinks shouldn't roleclaim, because bad things can happen. Yet he claims he's shrink almost immediately after I reveal I'm shrink. That doesn't add up.
Also note he calls shrink "that other thing." doesn't he know the role if he is it?

Obviously i fucking instantly roleclaimed, i felt like the fact that everyone thought he was confirmed because no one counter claimed would of worked my way, i instantly posted when i saw your comment because i was excited we confirmed a mafia member. Also, an easy way to make people think i'm not flash is to not even know how to call it
So then
1.Why would you thought another person wouldn't have claimed when LSB did(thus confirming him
2.But here you said they shouldn't, you at the very least showed strong relunctance to roleclaim. But merely one minute later you roleclaim, showing no hesitation.


Clarifies rules.

First post against LSB(who has been revealed Town tracker.) Says that he could just be really a mafia who fake claimed tracker(despite the fact if the real tracker claimed that plan would be ruined.) So this statement is very leaning towards anti town, especially since LSB has already said he's confirmed because no other tracker has claimed. Ends with spam.

So you are avoiding my whole argument i did with you a couple pages ago to point this out AGAIN because it can help you in a way. No, he was not 100% confirmed and i explained why before. If the real detective didnt want to claim yet incase he would die and/or cause chaos to town
I'm not avoiding your argument. I'm pointint out inconsitincies. Like here you disagree with the previous post. In the case where you were a real shrink, why would you immediately claim if you caught a fake claim(hypothetical me), yet think that this person wouldn't?
And why would it matter if he dies if he caught a mafia



Later says its obvious he always role claims fast, which contradicts as mentioned previously and with this statement.

i like how you only remember things that helps you try to down me lol. the way i post and myself roleclaiming fast don't really mean the same thing, Also i wanted to be jaedong, fuck flash :3

of course i do, because then I can find mafia.


And this doesn't help :/



VERY ANTI TOWN. First, as already noted, shrink had to have protected LSB because he was confirmed, and tracker. Note that Glasse's claimed reason for not protecting LSB was that "he was not confirmed." Going further, why would Glasse protect himself? Did he really think he was in danger of being MCed?
Furthormore, he now claims this proves he DID protect himself night one. However, all it really proves is that he has been anti town in his "shrink" actions. So that doesn't even add up.
In addition having the doctor rng was a very bad idea. Mafia, as long as their not dumb, will never rng. Kills always have a purpose. Even worse, having the doctor RNG was even worse(doesn't protect LSB[wtf], can protect mafia, doesn't use noggin).

bringing this up again, jesus fucking christ, i explained it earlier in my answers. he was not 100% confirmed, i was not necessarily in danger of getting mc'd i just thought it'd be a better choice to keep myself as town instead of another random person that could have ended up being mafia as well. Also you really like to press on that "rng is dumb for doctor" because you really thought about it AS YOU WERE THE DOCTOR AT THAT POINT and disagree with me on that point\
Same point as above. But again, why would you be in danger of being Mced? And if you protected a mafia, nothing bad would happen. And you weren't going to die(unless mafia were extra weird for some reason), so why would you protect yourself?
I don't have to be doctor to now that a doctor rnging his protection is pretty anti town.


Says to lynch the expierenced people....

yea, the reason why i said it is true, i wouldnt want to lynch you early because your abilities to analyse suck
I caught kenpachi...caught you



says he is against not voting.

of course, 2 kills per mafia a night is fucking dangerous, i'd rather take a chance and maybe catch one. and if you look, i voted kenpachi which ended up being an actual mafia
This wasn't accusing you actually lol. This was actually something pro town that you did!



Goes against previous statement, votes for Kenpachi. Now, this may seem very "pro town" at first, seeing as kenpachi later turned out to be scum. But let's go in detail about this vote, and why in reality it put kenpachi in no danger. At that time, that was the very first vote for kenpachi. THE VERY FIRST VOTE. The votes to lynch no one was ahead by two votes, and doctor h had two votes. I was the only one who had to vote. Mafia go against other mafia all the time to lend town cred for later stages of the game. Ace did it hardcore against me in insane mafia, as well as RoL. Rather than take the actions at face value, what you have to do is go beyond and see what they really meant. As in, did they have any true effect? This vote, at that time, did not. It was merely giving him "brownie points" when really kenpachi was in no real danger.

Now, glasse never posted after this vote. I think it's a safe assumption to assume he did not come back until at least after I voted for kenpachi(which it was still safe for kenpachi.) Kenpachi was never in any real danger, therefore glasse's vote for him does not confirm him.


wait how the fuck am i going against my previous statement, i was AGAINST voting for no one. Also 21h KST is around when i usually leave for college i think, so thats why i came back later

maybe he wasnt in real danger, that's true, but he could have been as i left after i voted and it could have ended badly
My bad, I concede. Still, that really wasn't a main point. Now respond to the other 10 contradictions. Now your appealing to speculation, "well...maybe..." is common argument for scum when their lying.



Already adressed as glasse hardly tried to get kenpachi lynched. Says he doesn't want people to know what he's thinking(what).

i thought what drh said in insane mafia was true, telling everything you know to everyone can often harm the town more than it can help
But not at all?


Apologizing for not contributing. Again, note that this is how I caught kenpachi(in addition to other things.) This just reeks of inherent guilt, apologizing for not contributing.


yea, i felt bad for not helping the town, if you really thought what you just said is true you would have said it earlier, not now where you desperatly need to prove i'm mafia to get your mafia win. I WONT FUCKING LET YOU WIN TWICE IN A ROW and if i was mafia you could be 100% sure i would have fucking killed you night 1 because i hate you
Again, if you felt bad why didn't you help? And what are you talking about, this is the first time I'm really analyzing you, and trust me, town is gonna win this one.



Now, this does mean something. What's happening right now? YM is dead, and he was going to either (in most liklihood) shoot kenpachi or Dr. H. Now, glasse finally comes in, and puts suscipcion on dr. h. So this actually DOES mean something. Also note dr. h was town.

yea, i dont remember drh posting posts as big as this one before to prove a point that could have been proven in a much shorter way, i thought he was trying to hide something, which i also explained later
Because by posting alot, your hiding something. I see. *sacrcasm*




Alright, wtf. why didn't you say this before. Now, I now previously you were responding to how you felt about me vs dr. h, but seriously this kind of stuff is important. Also note this is AFTER Dr. H was already shot, so he can say whatever he says he "felt" really :/.

what i said about drh wasnt a fucking accusation, it was a suspicion, my vote was still on kenpachi because he was lurking way 2 much
Of course, why would you outright accuse him. You can be scum and lay suscipcion on someone without actually accusing them. Stop taking my points, and taking them to the extreme so their not true. And btw this was after YM was already lynched, so kenpachi vote didn't matter



Yes, and it wasn't you. Note that this really just shows he's not flash, that that was just a spur of the moment decision to combat my claim as flash. Note that how would this work since he claims he protected LSB night two. Doesn't add up.

nope, no one was protected by flash, as it was also explained to me later, lsb found out that you were visited. i thought kenpachi had suicided on lsb at first, so i was really fucking happy.
There's no way to prove whether or not this is true so I'll leave it at that.



Again, if he's flash couldn't he protect from the "evil pandain?" Also note he hasn't voted for me either, so he's saying and not doing.

herp derp durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i don't have 100% chance to pick the same target as mafia with my shrink
Again, taking it to the extreme. If you were telling the truth, why not just have LSB track me, and if I was mafia, you could see who i Mced.



Claims he's flash.


Now let's analyze these choices. Now, obviously protecting himself night one for the reasons he did was very anti town. And why would he protect LSB if he was still unsure of his alignment? In addition, why would he protect himself night one.
1.Did he really think mafia would try to sacrifice one of their own to get him?(you might be pretty decent but your not incognito or something)
2.Did he really think HE was more likely to get Mced than LSB, or even Artanis/Dr. H?(or i, but I'm not as amazing)
These choices just don't fit.

night 1 wasnt anti town, i explained it many times
i realize stuff while im typing a post and i realized lsb still wasnt 100% and i had protected him, which could've been bad
oh and about night 2, i really thought about shrinking artanis instead of lsb, because they are both good and i ended up picking lsb

It was anti town. Respond to the core argument, you were in no danger, so why would you protect yourself. And now you admit your second protection was bad(even though it was actually good since LSB WAS confirmed, see earlier. The last sentence is irrelevant.


This doesn't fit either. So he isn't sure of LSB's alignment even now(yet protected him the previous night), and thinks he found a mafia(me) because of what LSB(who he doesn't know is confirmed) says? Sorry if that's worded weird. But furthormore, LSB is obviously confirmed.

o hai i just answered this, sometimes i realize stuff while im posting, or right after
a bit after i also realized there was no way he wasnt detective
Respond above.


Thus begins his great "proof" of being shrink, that you guys shouldn't believe me. The second sentence, read it. "Who cares if I went against the town consensus". That is a VERY mafia-esque statement. going furthor, here he reveals he didn't protect LSB because he didn't think LSB was town(at the very least not neccesarily).



Why would you have to ask this if your the real shrink? If you were real(and thus I fake), you would already know.

because if you didnt leave your house, you were bulletproof (which kthez is) and if you did leave, you were doctor (and you are), at that point i was making my list that i posted shortly after
Would it matter if I was mafia?

On November 18 2010 10:09 LSB wrote:
Things I know.

LSB night two: Pandain visited me night 1
LSB night two: Kenpachi visited Artanis and Pandain

Mafia action night 1: Hit Artanis
Mafia action Night 2: Kill Artanis. Kenpachi converts Pandain.

Things that were claimed
Coagulation: Save LSB night 2
Pandain: Shrink, save self night 2
Glasse: Shrink, save LSB night 2
KtheZ: Bulletproof.

pandain goes against his very own strong argument that shrink should never protect himself?
I protected myself because
1.there was a chance I would be converted(got kenpachi)
2.LSB would probably be safe night two(not night one)

Case 2: Only Kenpachi used conversion. Pandain is lying
However, Pandain visited me night one. That means that he is doctor.
Then Coag would be lying

Solution: Lynch Coagulation Day 2, Lynch Pandain Day 3.

pandain did visit you night 1 as doctor, because coag was lying
Wrong. Coag was converted.
Case 3: Only Kenpachi used conversion. Glasse is lying
If Pandain is telling the truth, Glasse is the only mafia left.
Solution 1: Lynch Glasse


well coag was red so this doesnt apply

Except again, you easily could've(and probably best to) convert coag, and you ended up getting saved by him as well.



yep