Nice try, Swamp Thing.

Stalling for time is one of the classic tried and true mafia tactics. Are you hoping that your vulnerable brother will be miraculously saved?

Well, you know what, you slimy salesman? I don't buy it.

We should deal with him today and leave no room for mafia to help him out with their deviousness.

annul

United States2841 Posts

November 20 2010 00:36 GMT

#902

are you dumb?

there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER to not wait until tomorrow. none. no reason. period.

if he does not take his shit back tonight as a guerilla, pop him tomorrow. this is very simple logic. very simple. when nothing happens, then you can pop him if you want (though ace is still a good kill).

Pandain

United States12985 Posts

November 20 2010 00:41 GMT

#903

rofl this is like what, day 3 without a lynch?
we're not waiting any longer. We're talking about hesmyyr, right?

annul

United States2841 Posts

November 20 2010 00:46 GMT

#904

dont wait for a lynch then

just, hit someone who lost their territory night 1 as opposed to night 2.

if someone lost their shit night 1 and didnt reclaim it night 2, they arent guerilla and cant self-revive. hit them first.

annul

United States2841 Posts

November 20 2010 00:46 GMT

#905

and really, other than my instavote of ace every phase, if you want to take down hesmyrr tomorrow, thats not a problem id even support that. just think about the logic behind what i am saying. what if he is guerilla? what if?

kingjames01

Canada1603 Posts

November 20 2010 00:47 GMT

#906

On November 20 2010 09:25 annul wrote:
if you really really want to pop a territoryless player, then pop someone who lost their shit night 1, not night 2.

Oh yeah, and who is that? Do you know who those players are? Also, why are they better candidates to be lynched? Why are you suddenly so eager to save Hesmyrr?

On November 20 2010 09:36 annul wrote:
are you dumb?

there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER to not wait until tomorrow. none. no reason. period.

if he does not take his shit back tonight as a guerilla, pop him tomorrow. this is very simple logic. very simple. when nothing happens, then you can pop him if you want (though ace is still a good kill).

Of course there is ample reason to take care of this tonight. If you really care about pretending to be pro-town, then you should already know that the combined minds of the mafia faction are scheming to find a way out of this lynch.

The first tactic is usually proposed by the less bright minds. They are the ones who jump the gun and suggest delaying a lynch. They will generally use fallacious arguments, such as appeal to emotion, derailing topics, etc., rather than trying to employ their feeble skills in logic.

The more apt mafiosos will find "better" or "just as good" targets to lynch. These usually are accompanied by sub-par analyses.

More advanced mafia play includes fabricating false role-claims.

Don't forget the old switch-and-bait which leaves one of their own out to dry, a term we affectionately call, "bussing".

I'm sure there are many things that you and your fellow Reds can try.

Sell your slime somewhere else, Creature From the Black Lagoon.

Pandain

United States12985 Posts

November 20 2010 00:48 GMT

#907

So we're going to not lynch a very scummy canidate because the 1/24 chance he could be guerilla, which wouldn't mean he's town/scum anyway, thus would mean nothing, despite the fact we've already found one guerilla.
Right..., so now on to the more important question: Why are you so desperate to not lynch him?

annul

United States2841 Posts

November 20 2010 00:48 GMT

#908

KILL

HIM

TOMORROW.

if he does nothing tonight, kill him tomorrow. easy.

if i were mafia what is the difference to me to save him for one more day? he has no land, he's as good as dead? IF he is guerilla, he will prove himself tonight. if he's not, we will know, then we can kill him.

annul

United States2841 Posts

November 20 2010 00:48 GMT

#909

FYI, there can be more than 1 guerilla, so it isnt "1/24"

Pandain

United States12985 Posts

November 20 2010 00:48 GMT

#910

Annul edited, are we still following that no edit rule?

annul

United States2841 Posts

November 20 2010 00:50 GMT

#911

there is no rule against editing. no majority agreed to the self-imposed restriction.

annul

United States2841 Posts

November 20 2010 00:51 GMT

#912

okay, when does this day end? when majority is reached or 48 hr?

Pandain

United States12985 Posts

November 20 2010 00:51 GMT

#913

Edited twice in fact. I think its a safe assumption to assume if hesmyrr turns mafia, annul is most likely mafia as well.

Hmm..turns out mafia can't have guerilla. Misread rules. However, just because he might be the SECOND guerilla is a horrid reason not to lynch a scummy person. You could say not to lynch ANY person because they might be "valuable." Not lynching someone because of what they "might" be, especially when its not even an important role, is pretty horrible :/

kingjames01

Canada1603 Posts

November 20 2010 00:52 GMT

#914

On November 20 2010 09:46 annul wrote:
dont wait for a lynch then

just, hit someone who lost their territory night 1 as opposed to night 2.

if someone lost their shit night 1 and didnt reclaim it night 2, they arent guerilla and cant self-revive. hit them first.

On November 20 2010 09:46 annul wrote:
and really, other than my instavote of ace every phase, if you want to take down hesmyrr tomorrow, thats not a problem id even support that. just think about the logic behind what i am saying. what if he is guerilla? what if?

So let me summarize your flimsy, paper-thin attempt at saving Hesmyrr tonight.

If we're going to lynch people when they've lost their last territory, we should do it in order.

Also, you'll support the lynch of Hesmyrr, but you want Ace to die first.

annul

United States2841 Posts

November 20 2010 00:52 GMT

#915

why cant you lynch him tomorrow then?

if he isnt guerilla, he wont do anything tonight. there is no harm in waiting one more day (AND lynching someone _else_ today to not waste the day).

annul

United States2841 Posts

November 20 2010 00:53 GMT

#916

i want ace to die because hes either A. horrible with logic or B. mafia.

though it seems to me that too many people in this game fit category A now =\

annul

United States2841 Posts

November 20 2010 00:54 GMT

#917

maybe i am approaching this the wrong way

WHAT does town gain by killing him tonight as opposed to tomorrow? what is the benefit of NOT waiting?

Pandain

United States12985 Posts

November 20 2010 00:57 GMT

#918

[b]Alright this is it, no editing.

Editing ruins the greatest weapon town has, the power to analyze posts[/b]. If you edit, you will be killed, from now on, with the exception of chezinu because he's insane. Editing is an extreme harm to the town, and really, if you are town, only brings suscipcion upon yourself, so why do it?

In addition, editing in a double post just sets off alarms, when why couldn't you have just edited the original post so you only single post?

But again, no editing. From now on, if you edit, you go to the top of the scum list, albeit obviously if you like have done nothing else then we might let you go. But annul stop editing, along witih everyone else.

If you really want to edit, pm me why you feel editing should be allowed, and I shall convince you otherwise. Because right now it just allows mafia to manipulate town even more.

annul

United States2841 Posts

November 20 2010 00:59 GMT

#919

why should i PM you for this?

what i edited was a clarification of the point i wrote in that post (i added the "1/24" comment).

kingjames01

Canada1603 Posts

November 20 2010 01:10 GMT

#920

Okay, if you're town, then you need to stop mass posting. That helps to cloud the issues. It only benefits mafia to drown out reason with noise.

On November 20 2010 09:54 annul wrote:
maybe i am approaching this the wrong way

WHAT does town gain by killing him tonight as opposed to tomorrow? what is the benefit of NOT waiting?

Here is what town gains.

It takes away mafia's ability to react if town moves quickly. If the town drags its feet about decisions, then extra pro-mafia arguments start showing up. This happens all the time. Refer to the recent Insane Mafia game where DrH allowed Reds to convince him hold off on proper analyses of obvious bad Red players.
Caller has hinted at super-secret Red powers. We need to know what those are and we should eliminate them from the game.
When the mafia delays lynch votes and pushes an alternative person, in this case it's Ace, there's a reason. They could be bussing in order to seem legitimate, they could be pushing someone they know is not mafia, or trying to manipulate the outcome so they have control. We should always deny mafia what they desire.

Added comment: Since the nefarious evil-doers are pushing Ace, I suspect he has the ability to dodge a lynch once.

Here is a question:
Why is everyone so interested in saving Hesmyrr, in particular? In fact, they're willing to suggest any other player but Hesmyrr.