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On November 20 2010 04:32 kingjames01 wrote:EVERYONE, I HAVE A PLAN!No one wants to be eliminated, right? Every player, in theory, is in the game to win. It sucks being lynched early and no one likes being the the target. Thus, everyone fights really hard when they know they are facing a lynch vote. The ensuing discussion gets really messy and no one knows if it is a mafia-inspired lynch. Here's my plan: LYNCH HESMYRR. - He's confirmed that he was Sakura Gaibun
- His last province was eliminated overnight so he no longer has a vote.
Wouldn't it be better if we lynch someone who cannot affect the game anymore? Someone whose vote does not count? We can still get information from their flip. Here's the best part... If he is town, we do not hurt ourselves by lynching him as the town-to-mafia vote ratio is not affected. If he is mafia, we can benefit by clearing up confusion and finding connections between him and other Reds. At this moment, this is our best possible proposed plan for a Day 3 action. Let's get out our vote.
On November 20 2010 04:13 kingjames01 wrote:
I'm going to post something before the mafia figure it out.
Here's what I'm predicting. Since voting is not mandatory, the mafia is going to wait on this vote until they are sure the town has stirred. They don't want Hesmyrr to flip.
Now, somewhere along the line, one of the more clever mafiosos might realize a way out, so I've been trying to think of a way for Hesmyrr or one of his scum buddies to wriggle out of it.
They're going to advocate keeping him around so that he can still "benefit" the town. Maybe they'll claim that he's a Guerrilla Warrior. Any player who does any such action is suspicious.
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On November 20 2010 10:10 kingjames01 wrote:
[*] It takes away mafia's ability to react if town moves quickly. If the town drags its feet about decisions, then extra pro-mafia arguments start showing up. This happens all the time. Refer to the recent Insane Mafia game where DrH allowed Reds to convince him hold off on proper analyses of obvious bad Red players.
[*] Caller has hinted at super-secret Red powers. We need to know what those are and we should eliminate them from the game.
[*] When the mafia delays lynch votes and pushes an alternative person, in this case it's Ace, there's a reason. They could be bussing in order to seem legitimate, they could be pushing someone they know is not mafia, or trying to manipulate the outcome so they have control. We should always deny mafia what they desire.
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1. IF hesmyrr is mafia, you mean. if he is a guerilla, we just fucked up pretty bad. i seem to be the only one arguing against his lynch. i am only saying wait ONE cycle. one cycle. if he doesnt show his power, then kill him! one cycle. you say nothing against this point specifically.
2. sure, he has also hinted at super secret town powers too. killing hesmyrr tonight (and not tomorrow) does not help town because of caller's revelation. again, i am trying to see the benefits of killing him TONIGHT, not the benefits of killing him period.
3A. im not mafia, so "mafia delays" is a bad assumption.
3B. i do have a reason for killing ace, as i have made clear 300 times. this has nothing at all to do with what town gains by killing hesmyrr today and not tomorrow. if he is truly mafia, then at the end of day 4, hesmyrr is still dead!
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here, let's do this.
get off of him tonight.
IF I FIGHT HIS LYNCH TOMORROW, EVEN ONCE (other than my instavote and perpetual pushing of ace), AND HE IS NOT PROVEN GUERILLA TONIGHT, KILL ME.
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Hi guys! :D
Here's the way I see it:
If we lynch Hesmyrr, we get information and a possible mafia at minimal risk.
However, we could also try and lynch one of those people who've never posted. We would also get minimal risk that way considering they'll probably be modkilled if they don't post. My suggestion? Lynch drag_. The guy has only posted once in this thread. He hasn't really contributed, might as well off him. =/
I also agree with annul in that we run the risk of having Hesmyrr be a guerilla, but the chances of that happening is quite low. Either way, we need some information in my opinion. The thing about lynching Hesmyrr compared to an inactive is that Hesmyrr would also give us juicy info on Ace. 
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Did hesmyrr even claim guerrilla? Any townie with that power would've claimed early on to make sure this situation doesn't come up. Can't we assume that hesmyrr is either mafia or nor guerrilla because of this. And yes annul, this is why I said to opz i don't like the way you are playing. If you are town you are playing very poorly right now.
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On November 20 2010 10:16 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 10:10 kingjames01 wrote:
[*] It takes away mafia's ability to react if town moves quickly. If the town drags its feet about decisions, then extra pro-mafia arguments start showing up. This happens all the time. Refer to the recent Insane Mafia game where DrH allowed Reds to convince him hold off on proper analyses of obvious bad Red players.
[*] Caller has hinted at super-secret Red powers. We need to know what those are and we should eliminate them from the game.
[*] When the mafia delays lynch votes and pushes an alternative person, in this case it's Ace, there's a reason. They could be bussing in order to seem legitimate, they could be pushing someone they know is not mafia, or trying to manipulate the outcome so they have control. We should always deny mafia what they desire.
1. IF hesmyrr is mafia, you mean. if he is a guerilla, we just fucked up pretty bad. i seem to be the only one arguing against his lynch. i am only saying wait ONE cycle. one cycle. if he doesnt show his power, then kill him! one cycle. you say nothing against this point specifically. 2. sure, he has also hinted at super secret town powers too. killing hesmyrr tonight (and not tomorrow) does not help town because of caller's revelation. again, i am trying to see the benefits of killing him TONIGHT, not the benefits of killing him period. 3A. im not mafia, so "mafia delays" is a bad assumption. 3B. i do have a reason for killing ace, as i have made clear 300 times. this has nothing at all to do with what town gains by killing hesmyrr today and not tomorrow. if he is truly mafia, then at the end of day 4, hesmyrr is still dead! [/list]
Okay, you're not bringing anything new to the table. Until you do, this is the last time I'm going to respond to you directly. All you're doing is cluttering up the thread so that our lurking friends have more to read.
By the way, you're not the first. You're really the fourth. Ace was the first strong voice. Nemesis casually inserted doubts into the thread. ~OpZ~ was supportive but declined to vote. Now there's you, Ace the Lesser.
On November 20 2010 10:18 annul wrote:
here, let's do this.
get off of him tonight.
IF I FIGHT HIS LYNCH TOMORROW, EVEN ONCE (other than my instavote and perpetual pushing of ace), AND HE IS NOT PROVEN GUERILLA TONIGHT, KILL ME.
Alright, I just saw that you added something new. I'll answer that too.
The way that I view the current status of the game is that the mafia have not made too much headway with the town. They're probably using the anonymity to expand their voting power. This is the first major conflict and how we handle this will determine the remainder of the game. I do not intend on allowing the mafia to set up some bogus scenario and legitimize 2 or 3 of their members.
Since you guys are pushing so hard, this is what I'm now thinking. Either Hesmyrr has a super-secret mafia ability that will give him back his territory, or a member of the mafia has the ability to give up a territory to another player.
Either way, it will appear that he is a Guerrilla Warrior, cementing your position with the town and sealing our fates.
I'm sorry but appealing to Guerrilla Warfare is monkey business. Sell your rotten bananas somewhere else, General D. Nile.
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On November 20 2010 05:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 22:46 Loanshark wrote:
## vote Ace
hell, let's just all bandwagon so we can lynch somebody. Voting Loanshark or BrownBear. I was not bandwagoning Ace. I was voting Ace because I think he's scum. YOU NEED TO POST IN THE THREAD. There Ace. Cast your vote for loanshark, and we'll be good.
Hell I was casting a random vote just so we could get a lynch and Ace was the only one with votes when I voted. In hindsight, it was probably a dumb move.
If you have other reasons why you want to lynch me, please tell me so I can prove my innocence.
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On November 20 2010 10:47 DCLXVI wrote:
Did hesmyrr even claim guerrilla? Any townie with that power would've claimed early on to make sure this situation doesn't come up. Can't we assume that hesmyrr is either mafia or nor guerrilla because of this. And yes annul, this is why I said to opz i don't like the way you are playing. If you are town you are playing very poorly right now.
On November 19 2010 07:22 Caller wrote:
Meanwhile, the RrietCong, a secret special forces unit of the Rainbow Rumpus Town, led a bunch of angry Guerrillas to take back their province of 8 from the unprepared Hojo House.
Night 1, Rainbow Rumpus Partytown took Province 9 but lost Province 8 to Hojo House.
Night 2, Rainbow Rumpus Partytown used his Guerrilla Warrior ability to re-take Province 8.
Ace the Lesser is stalling. I think he knows how to make Hesmyrr appear as though he's a Guerrilla Warrior. We need to be careful and not give him that chance.
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On November 20 2010 10:55 Loanshark wrote:
If you have other reasons why you want to lynch me, please tell me so I can prove my innocence.
Don't try to prove anything. At the moment, the mafia would love a way to distract the town. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, should you let them draw you into a posting war. Even if they try underhanded personal attacks, resist the urge to answer.
This goes for everyone who is town. Explain your vote, ask for clarification, but do not let the mafia distract you.
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There is no stalling tactic here. The simple question is still on the table:
Who has shown Hessmyrr is Mafia?
No one has. This started off as "lynch for information" to an all out "Hessmyrr is scum and anyone defending him is too!" rant by kingjames.
You have been trying to kill this guy from Day 1 every chance you got. I've said it like 20 times already but when you keep pushing for this ONE player to die and you ignore all the people bandwagon voting I don't believe for a second you are scumhunting.
Add in the fact that I'm pretty sure the only reason you are pushing this lynch is so your faction gains credibility and I'm sure this is not a scum hunting lynch but a lynch just to get this one person out of the game.
So once again I'm going to ask show me where you proved Hessmyrr is Scum. You never have. It's all been "lets try and lynch this guy for the 3rd time because I want to".
When he flips town then what?
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On November 20 2010 11:58 Ace wrote:
This started off as "lynch for information" to an all out "Hessmyrr is scum and anyone defending him is too!" rant by kingjames.
holy fucking shit ace and i agreeing on something, what has this game come to
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On November 20 2010 11:58 Ace wrote:
There is no stalling tactic here. The simple question is still on the table:
Who has shown Hessmyrr is Mafia?
I think really he's the most likely out of everyone we have now. Already has gone afk, in addition to being suscipcious from LSB's thing(there is SOME credence to that), and finally the defense from annul.
No one has. This started off as "lynch for information" to an all out "Hessmyrr is scum and anyone defending him is too!" rant by kingjames.
Really, with the reasons they have...it is
You have been trying to kill this guy from Day 1 every chance you got. I've said it like 20 times already but when you keep pushing for this ONE player to die and you ignore all the people bandwagon voting I don't believe for a second you are scumhunting.
propose someone else
Add in the fact that I'm pretty sure the only reason you are pushing this lynch is so your faction gains credibility and I'm sure this is not a scum hunting lynch but a lynch just to get this one person out of the game.
Now here's something special. How would their faction gain credibility? Let me say that again, this implies that by lynching hesmyrr they will gain credibilitY(aka, hesmyyr would be mafia.) Hmm....
So once again I'm going to ask show me where you proved Hessmyrr is Scum. You never have. It's all been "lets try and lynch this guy for the 3rd time because I want to".
When he flips town then what?
he won't
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annul I've been saying that since I last posted.
If you notice this all started out as jcarl coming up with a plan to lynch for information. Then kingjames comes in bawwwwwing about Hessmyrr to get him offed again.
Not once did ANY one else be considered for a lynch. Three straight days this ONE person has been pushed and it has never been a case of him being Scum.
Lynch him because he lost his land? Ok what about everyone else that lost their land? He was active yesterday so why does he get priority over any other player that isn't active?
This is a faction driven lynch, not a scum hunt.
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The cat's out of the bag for this one though I think.
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On November 20 2010 12:03 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 11:58 Ace wrote:
There is no stalling tactic here. The simple question is still on the table:
Who has shown Hessmyrr is Mafia?
I think really he's the most likely out of everyone we have now. Already has gone afk, in addition to being suscipcious from LSB's thing(there is SOME credence to that), and finally the defense from annul.
No one has. This started off as "lynch for information" to an all out "Hessmyrr is scum and anyone defending him is too!" rant by kingjames.
Really, with the reasons they have...it is
You have been trying to kill this guy from Day 1 every chance you got. I've said it like 20 times already but when you keep pushing for this ONE player to die and you ignore all the people bandwagon voting I don't believe for a second you are scumhunting.
propose someone else
Add in the fact that I'm pretty sure the only reason you are pushing this lynch is so your faction gains credibility and I'm sure this is not a scum hunting lynch but a lynch just to get this one person out of the game.
Now here's something special. How would their faction gain credibility? Let me say that again, this implies that by lynching hesmyrr they will gain credibilitY(aka, hesmyyr would be mafia.) Hmm....
So once again I'm going to ask show me where you proved Hessmyrr is Scum. You never have. It's all been "lets try and lynch this guy for the 3rd time because I want to".
When he flips town then what?
he won't
1.) What credence did LSB's attack on Hessmyrr have in showing that he is Scum? Please illustrate this because it never was shown to be true.
2.) What reasons do they have?
2.) Why propose anyone else when every time I've tried to explain why this makes no sense instead of trying to understand my pov I'm met BUT NO! spittle?
4.) No that's an implication that no matter what he flips they will gain cred. If Hessmyrr flips Scum - great they found Scum. If he flips town - But we were doing it for information! becomes the defense.
5.) How are you so sure he won't flip town?
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Screw it ace. You screwed up there. "Gain credibility" for failing a lynch because of the intent?
Yeah right.
I'll admit ignorance on the LSB thing, but one of MY main motivations are my pms with him, which I've already talked about. And then annul, and now this.
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If he turns town, so what? The only thing I'm afraid of is him turning up guerilla.
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If Hessmyrr flips innocent then it'll be "we lynched for information like we said we would" and under the guise that they didn't want the town to stall another day.
How is that not going to gain them credibility? And what the hell does annul have to do with me?
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On November 20 2010 12:15 Ace wrote:
If Hessmyrr flips innocent then it'll be "we lynched for information like we said we would" and under the guise that they didn't want the town to stall another day.
How is that not going to gain them credibility? And what the hell does annul have to do with me?
You said they would gain credibility if they lynched hesmyrr. This statement implies that hesmyrr is mafia, as under no circumstances would they gain credibility via lynching hesmyrr. right now you backtracked, trying to say "well, yeah, but they're not going to automatically LOSE credibility, at least not that much." True, but that's not what you said.
Annul is only related to you in the fact you both supported hesmyrr suspiciously, you less so, but now with this I'm confident in your alignment.
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