Sengoku Mafia - Page 48

On November 20 2010 12:20 ghrur wrote:
My dear panda, i believe you're interpreting this wrong.
What I interpreted from Ace's statement is that people pushing for Hesmyrr's lynch are either Mafia or a third party trying to gain credibility by lynching a Mafia or showing town they have a great plan for scumhunting.

On November 20 2010 12:18 Pandain wrote:


You said they would gain credibility if they lynched hesmyrr. This statement implies that hesmyrr is mafia, as under no circumstances would they gain credibility via lynching hesmyrr. right now you backtracked, trying to say "well, yeah, but they're not going to automatically LOSE credibility, at least not that much." True, but that's not what you said.
Annul is only related to you in the fact you both supported hesmyrr suspiciously, you less so, but now with this I'm confident in your alignment.

On November 20 2010 12:20 Ace wrote:
They would gain credibility if he flips innocent. Have you been following how this entire lynch started?

jcarl: let's lynch for information because we don't want to have the same thing happen everyday

Hessmyrr flips innocent

Ok good, we've got his information. You guys that are spearheading the lynch look to be doing pro town work!

No where does that imply that Hessmyrr is Scum. Stop making stuff up that isn't there.

On November 20 2010 14:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Wrong. Kingjames proposed his plan, and it was something I had been considering for a while, so, I agreed with it. Not lynching is IN MAFIA FAVOR. The fact that it isn't required in this game just lets there be a ton of lurkers and shit doesn't get done during the day. Sure, we can just talk and speculate and shoot the shit, but without concrete facts, we will get NOWHERE.

So, what I'm taking from you and annul, is that you just want to sit and let town be in the dark for another night while the mafia can do more actions basically unchecked. I don't understand that at all. Yes, I said from the start Hesmyrr can flip town. I said it wasn't a perfect plan, but it will give us facts. Cold, hard facts that aren't left up to speculation or manipulation by scum hands. I see no reason to wait.

We have already had one Guerrilla use his abilities on Night 2, Idk how many there are. But that's the thing, we know absolutely nothing. A lynch will give us something to go off of, and the fact that you are trying to keep it so that the town still has no information is extremely scummy to me.

I am not trying to stab the town in the back by going "Oh, well we said we were looking for info, so yeah!" I have stated from the very beginning that there is a possibility of him flipping town. However, if he were an important town role, I feel that he would have claimed by now to stay alive. The risks outweigh the benefits of the town having a piece of information to work with.

On November 20 2010 16:21 Ace wrote:


I never accused you of trying to stab the town in the back. I believe your intentions are pretty genuine.

Like I said, I wasn't strictly against lynching for information when you made your case. We had this discussion already. I said I have a problem with it being Hessmyrr because he's been targeted so many times already with no one showing WHY he is scummy. If someone could give me a good breakdown then I'd go with it. No one has. Really I don't see why this is something that is causing such a fuss.

@LSB: Read the thread. I answered that question like hours ago more than once.

On November 20 2010 10:10 kingjames01 wrote:
Okay, if you're town, then you need to stop mass posting. That helps to cloud the issues. It only benefits mafia to drown out reason with noise.



Here is what town gains.

• It takes away mafia's ability to react if town moves quickly. If the town drags its feet about decisions, then extra pro-mafia arguments start showing up. This happens all the time. Refer to the recent Insane Mafia game where DrH allowed Reds to convince him hold off on proper analyses of obvious bad Red players.
  
• Caller has hinted at super-secret Red powers. We need to know what those are and we should eliminate them from the game.
  
• When the mafia delays lynch votes and pushes an alternative person, in this case it's Ace, there's a reason. They could be bussing in order to seem legitimate, they could be pushing someone they know is not mafia, or trying to manipulate the outcome so they have control. We should always deny mafia what they desire.

Added comment: Since the nefarious evil-doers are pushing Ace, I suspect he has the ability to dodge a lynch once.

Here is a question:
Why is everyone so interested in saving Hesmyrr, in particular? In fact, they're willing to suggest any other player but Hesmyrr.

On November 20 2010 10:55 Loanshark wrote:


Hell I was casting a random vote just so we could get a lynch and Ace was the only one with votes when I voted. In hindsight, it was probably a dumb move.

If you have other reasons why you want to lynch me, please tell me so I can prove my innocence.

On November 20 2010 12:18 Pandain wrote:


You said they would gain credibility if they lynched hesmyrr. This statement implies that hesmyrr is mafia, as under no circumstances would they gain credibility via lynching hesmyrr. right now you backtracked, trying to say "well, yeah, but they're not going to automatically LOSE credibility, at least not that much." True, but that's not what you said.
Annul is only related to you in the fact you both supported hesmyrr suspiciously, you less so, but now with this I'm confident in your alignment.

On November 21 2010 00:54 annul wrote:
i love how the one guy who stands up and agrees with me that the logic on hesmyrr is horrible is the one guy for whom on a personal level, lynching him is smartest.

isnt this game great