EPTWhat I interpreted from Ace's statement is that people pushing for Hesmyrr's lynch are either Mafia or a third party trying to gain credibility by lynching a Mafia or showing town they have a great plan for scumhunting.
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
What I interpreted from Ace's statement is that people pushing for Hesmyrr's lynch are either Mafia or a third party trying to gain credibility by lynching a Mafia or showing town they have a great plan for scumhunting. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
jcarl: let's lynch for information because we don't want to have the same thing happen everyday Hessmyrr flips innocent Ok good, we've got his information. You guys that are spearheading the lynch look to be doing pro town work! No where does that imply that Hessmyrr is Scum. Stop making stuff up that isn't there. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
Don't let them suck you in with poor logic, bad arguments, slimy accusations and hilarious attempts at trickery. Just feel their desperation and smile to yourself. Let's go play in the delicious bamboo forest as Tweedle Scum and Need-Bull Sheet console themselves with rotten bananas and swamp water. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On November 20 2010 12:20 ghrur wrote: My dear panda, i believe you're interpreting this wrong. What I interpreted from Ace's statement is that people pushing for Hesmyrr's lynch are either Mafia or a third party trying to gain credibility by lynching a Mafia or showing town they have a great plan for scumhunting. So then he's saying hesmyrr is mafia, but how would he know that(and he hasn't been saying it either.) And some great plan for scumhunting. That's hardly a way for town cred. But I'll stop debating this now, once Hesmyrr flips I'll see if it truly applies as I think it will. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 20 2010 12:18 Pandain wrote: You said they would gain credibility if they lynched hesmyrr. This statement implies that hesmyrr is mafia, as under no circumstances would they gain credibility via lynching hesmyrr. right now you backtracked, trying to say "well, yeah, but they're not going to automatically LOSE credibility, at least not that much." True, but that's not what you said. Annul is only related to you in the fact you both supported hesmyrr suspiciously, you less so, but now with this I'm confident in your alignment. This is just sad. I've been against every lynch of Hessmyrr because no one has shown where he is Mafia. How does that make me suspicious? How does that make annul suspicious? Show me how Hessmyrr is scum besides "lol becuz I knowz" posts. You can't. | ||
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LSB
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Chezinu
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On November 20 2010 12:20 Ace wrote: They would gain credibility if he flips innocent. Have you been following how this entire lynch started? jcarl: let's lynch for information because we don't want to have the same thing happen everyday Hessmyrr flips innocent Ok good, we've got his information. You guys that are spearheading the lynch look to be doing pro town work! No where does that imply that Hessmyrr is Scum. Stop making stuff up that isn't there. Wrong. Kingjames proposed his plan, and it was something I had been considering for a while, so, I agreed with it. Not lynching is IN MAFIA FAVOR. The fact that it isn't required in this game just lets there be a ton of lurkers and shit doesn't get done during the day. Sure, we can just talk and speculate and shoot the shit, but without concrete facts, we will get NOWHERE. So, what I'm taking from you and annul, is that you just want to sit and let town be in the dark for another night while the mafia can do more actions basically unchecked. I don't understand that at all. Yes, I said from the start Hesmyrr can flip town. I said it wasn't a perfect plan, but it will give us facts. Cold, hard facts that aren't left up to speculation or manipulation by scum hands. I see no reason to wait. We have already had one Guerrilla use his abilities on Night 2, Idk how many there are. But that's the thing, we know absolutely nothing. A lynch will give us something to go off of, and the fact that you are trying to keep it so that the town still has no information is extremely scummy to me. I am not trying to stab the town in the back by going "Oh, well we said we were looking for info, so yeah!" I have stated from the very beginning that there is a possibility of him flipping town. However, if he were an important town role, I feel that he would have claimed by now to stay alive. The risks outweigh the benefits of the town having a piece of information to work with. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
there is just as much chance in the diplomacy game for town to eliminate mafia as it is for mafia to eliminate town. why take a 99% chance at a mafia kill when you can instead have a 100% mafia kill the next day with zero risk to the town? thats all im saying | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 20 2010 14:06 jcarlsoniv wrote: Wrong. Kingjames proposed his plan, and it was something I had been considering for a while, so, I agreed with it. Not lynching is IN MAFIA FAVOR. The fact that it isn't required in this game just lets there be a ton of lurkers and shit doesn't get done during the day. Sure, we can just talk and speculate and shoot the shit, but without concrete facts, we will get NOWHERE. So, what I'm taking from you and annul, is that you just want to sit and let town be in the dark for another night while the mafia can do more actions basically unchecked. I don't understand that at all. Yes, I said from the start Hesmyrr can flip town. I said it wasn't a perfect plan, but it will give us facts. Cold, hard facts that aren't left up to speculation or manipulation by scum hands. I see no reason to wait. We have already had one Guerrilla use his abilities on Night 2, Idk how many there are. But that's the thing, we know absolutely nothing. A lynch will give us something to go off of, and the fact that you are trying to keep it so that the town still has no information is extremely scummy to me. I am not trying to stab the town in the back by going "Oh, well we said we were looking for info, so yeah!" I have stated from the very beginning that there is a possibility of him flipping town. However, if he were an important town role, I feel that he would have claimed by now to stay alive. The risks outweigh the benefits of the town having a piece of information to work with. I never accused you of trying to stab the town in the back. I believe your intentions are pretty genuine. Like I said, I wasn't strictly against lynching for information when you made your case. We had this discussion already. I said I have a problem with it being Hessmyrr because he's been targeted so many times already with no one showing WHY he is scummy. If someone could give me a good breakdown then I'd go with it. No one has. Really I don't see why this is something that is causing such a fuss. @LSB: Read the thread. I answered that question like hours ago more than once. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On November 20 2010 16:21 Ace wrote: I never accused you of trying to stab the town in the back. I believe your intentions are pretty genuine. Like I said, I wasn't strictly against lynching for information when you made your case. We had this discussion already. I said I have a problem with it being Hessmyrr because he's been targeted so many times already with no one showing WHY he is scummy. If someone could give me a good breakdown then I'd go with it. No one has. Really I don't see why this is something that is causing such a fuss. @LSB: Read the thread. I answered that question like hours ago more than once. Ok, so, scenario time. We catch wind that someone like Chez or Coag, who, as far as I can see, have been pretty pro-town this game, is one of the people who lost their province and thus has no voting power. You would be perfectly happy lynching them even though no one has shown them to be mafia, just because they aren't Hesmyrr? The Night 1 attack on Hesmyrr was SIFZ business, I have no idea the reasoning, so i'm not going to dwell on that. The Day 2 attempted lynch of Hesmyrr was because there was a slip in semantics and misunderstanding on a couple player parts, and I was pushing it as an attempt to scum hunt, because it needs to be done. That was quickly drowned out by the spat between you and LSB. The fact that Hesmyrr is the one player we know for a fact has no territory is just a coincidence to me. I would be down with this same plan regardless of who we found out to be province-less because the town needs concrete information. You, however, seem to be down with the plan as long as it isn't Hesmyrr. And I understand your reasoning, but, at least for me, the past isn't influencing my push on him. The current state of the game is what is motivating me because something needs to happen. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On November 20 2010 10:10 kingjames01 wrote: Okay, if you're town, then you need to stop mass posting. That helps to cloud the issues. It only benefits mafia to drown out reason with noise. Here is what town gains.
Added comment: Since the nefarious evil-doers are pushing Ace, I suspect he has the ability to dodge a lynch once. Here is a question: Why is everyone so interested in saving Hesmyrr, in particular? In fact, they're willing to suggest any other player but Hesmyrr. Wow You have insane assumptions that aren't even intelligent. I agree with waiting to lynch Hesmyrr. LETS SEE IF HE IS GUERILLA. Then we know he's town or not. But he has no vote anyway, nor can he attack. So what ever. And with that logic, ACE HIMSELF had been defending hesmyrr all day, and now you DARE to say Annul is the only one defending him? You sir, either can't read. Or are mafia. On November 20 2010 10:55 Loanshark wrote: Hell I was casting a random vote just so we could get a lynch and Ace was the only one with votes when I voted. In hindsight, it was probably a dumb move. If you have other reasons why you want to lynch me, please tell me so I can prove my innocence. Random votes don't help the town. Bandwagon votes, don't help the town. You not doing anything, doesn't help the town. You dying? Might help the town. On November 20 2010 12:18 Pandain wrote: You said they would gain credibility if they lynched hesmyrr. This statement implies that hesmyrr is mafia, as under no circumstances would they gain credibility via lynching hesmyrr. right now you backtracked, trying to say "well, yeah, but they're not going to automatically LOSE credibility, at least not that much." True, but that's not what you said. Annul is only related to you in the fact you both supported hesmyrr suspiciously, you less so, but now with this I'm confident in your alignment. Ace hasn't been less supporting hesmyrr than annul. Just for a few pages actually. Ace has been defending Hesmyrr pretty much all game. Where is hesmyrr to defend himself? He seems inactive, so why not lynch him Ace? He hasn't posted or said shit. There is no reason to keep him. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
You need to claim your province name. I don't care, WHAT the hell it is, like role wise, but I want to know whom my neighbors are so we can speak. If I can't speak to my neighbors, then that seems hostile to me. I'm not aligned with anyone just yet. We need to be able to hold people accountable for their actions at night. Aren't you worried about the other people with 3 votes? Not claiming your nation gives WAY TOO MUCH leeway to people who are hiding themselves. Town, I implore you, atleast give up your nations name. Not the role, not its abilities, but just the name. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
isnt this game great | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On November 21 2010 00:54 annul wrote: i love how the one guy who stands up and agrees with me that the logic on hesmyrr is horrible is the one guy for whom on a personal level, lynching him is smartest. isnt this game great Never occurred to be that Guerilla took back their land. I think i got them mixed up with communist. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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