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EVERYONE, I HAVE A PLAN!
No one wants to be eliminated, right? Every player, in theory, is in the game to win. It sucks being lynched early and no one likes being the the target. Thus, everyone fights really hard when they know they are facing a lynch vote. The ensuing discussion gets really messy and no one knows if it is a mafia-inspired lynch.
Here's my plan:
LYNCH HESMYRR.
- He's confirmed that he was Sakura Gaibun
- His last province was eliminated overnight so he no longer has a vote.
Wouldn't it be better if we lynch someone who cannot affect the game anymore? Someone whose vote does not count? We can still get information from their flip.
Here's the best part...
If he is town, we do not hurt ourselves by lynching him as the town-to-mafia vote ratio is not affected.
If he is mafia, we can benefit by clearing up confusion and finding connections between him and other Reds.
At this moment, this is our best possible proposed plan for a Day 3 action. Let's get out our vote.
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On November 20 2010 04:32 Ace wrote:I'm not stalling for time, if I was I'd just accuse somebody else and take attention away from Hessmyrr. This is not a scumhunting plan. You haven't accused Hessmyrr of being Scum. You just said so yourself: Show nested quote +
In this regard, I'm going to fall back on my personal motto for research:
"More information is better than less information. Some information is better than no information."
Earlier I made it clear that if we are going down this path of lynch for information vs lynching for Scum we might be stuck back at Day 1 again. So unless this is somehow now a Mafia hunting plan, then how does me not supporting it make me Scummy? It's not a mafia hunting plan, it's an information plan.
If he's mafia, then it's a mafia-hunting plan. If he's mafia, then we'll know how hard we should be digging into his play. We will also learn if he has any of those super-secret mafia powers that Caller hinted about.
If he's town, then nothing has changed. We haven't lost a valuable member of our team. We haven't decreased our voting power and/or increased the mafia's voting power.
At the moment, we do nothing during the Day. We wait until Night and submit Actions and see what happens. However, we haven't and won't learn the alignment of any player from Night actions.
From a cost-benefit or risk-reward analysis, this is our best course of action that has been proposed thus far.
If you don't want to support this, then propose something else. If you need time so you can conference with your scum buddies then do so. Until you decide to vote or come up with something better, please refrain from convoluting the thread with swamp water.
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The fact is when the plan was proposed this was a discussion about whether or not we should be lynching based on the need for information.
I was asked what I think about it and replied.
Now you chime in saying I'm against scumhunting when that wasn't even what we were discussing.
Point of the matter is we don't know what his alignment is and no one has shown a reason why he is Scum. "If this, If that" isn't even up for debate here or else we should just start lynching everyone to satisfy our conditional statements.
But hey keep getting upset because I won't support plans to lynch the same guy while you ignore the other 90% of the playerbase. Not my fault you cant get your way.
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I'm fine with lynching Ace
He's said he saw something interesting but wont post it. Come on Ace. Post it. You wanna say you found stuff out, then share with the crowd. I'm tired of waiting.
My vote is not going to change from you, unless you give me a reason.
You have done nothing but act scummy. Possibly hinted at being Mason, I'm assuming with hesmyrr. So I'm fine with Hesmyrr lynch, along with Ace. Ace hasn't even claimed his country. I've done went all out in the open. Tell me that isn't pro-town. I'm hiding nothing.
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On November 20 2010 04:52 Ace wrote:
The fact is when the plan was proposed this was a discussion about whether or not we should be lynching based on the need for information.
I was asked what I think about it and replied.
Now you chime in saying I'm against scumhunting when that wasn't even what we were discussing.
Point of the matter is we don't know what his alignment is and no one has shown a reason why he is Scum. "If this, If that" isn't even up for debate here or else we should just start lynching everyone to satisfy our conditional statements.
But hey keep getting upset because I won't support plans to lynch the same guy while you ignore the other 90% of the playerbase. Not my fault you cant get your way.
We don't know ANYONE'S alignment, that's the thing. I don't really like lynching a possible innocent with little evidence to state he's scum, but he is a safe choice. We know he has no voting power, so the town won't lose much if he is town. Town needs to learn something, and instead of just shitting around for 2 days waiting for night to come, why don't we get something done. If the lurkers see that people are actually getting lynched, they might come out of hiding even.
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On November 20 2010 04:55 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm fine with lynching Ace
He's said he saw something interesting but wont post it. Come on Ace. Post it. You wanna say you found stuff out, then share with the crowd. I'm tired of waiting.
My vote is not going to change from you, unless you give me a reason.
You have done nothing but act scummy. Possibly hinted at being Mason, I'm assuming with hesmyrr. So I'm fine with Hesmyrr lynch, along with Ace. Ace hasn't even claimed his country. I've done went all out in the open. Tell me that isn't pro-town. I'm hiding nothing.
Actually, he did reply. This was his answer:
On November 20 2010 01:51 Ace wrote:
I'm hesitating a bit because I've got to pretty much be 100% certain about one of my contacts and I'm pretty sure people are just waiting to Zerg vote me into oblivion.
But I don't like what happened in that region with ~Opz~ and co. Something doesn't make sense. I would have thought SIFZ would try to expand but they didn't. 23 didn't attack tonight after trying to pop 27 the night before (why didn't he go for the land again?)
Then DC is somewhere in the area scared as hell and got sold out by ~Opz~.
So the way I looked at it:
~opz~
annul
DC
23
27
SIFZ
At least three of these are on opposing sides, well as far as I know.
Yet only one territory was hit, and afaik know that is the only attack from last night on that side of the map.
No one else seems to be worried about that growing orgy of alliances though.
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~Opz~ I already told you what I found interesting. It's right here:
I'm hesitating a bit because I've got to pretty much be 100% certain about one of my contacts and I'm pretty sure people are just waiting to Zerg vote me into oblivion.
But I don't like what happened in that region with ~Opz~ and co. Something doesn't make sense. I would have thought SIFZ would try to expand but they didn't. 23 didn't attack tonight after trying to pop 27 the night before (why didn't he go for the land again?)
Then DC is somewhere in the area scared as hell and got sold out by ~Opz~.
So the way I looked at it:
~opz~
annul
DC
23
27
SIFZ
At least three of these are on opposing sides, well as far as I know.
Yet only one territory was hit, and afaik know that is the only attack from last night on that side of the map.
No one else seems to be worried about that growing orgy of alliances though.
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On November 20 2010 04:52 Ace wrote:
The fact is when the plan was proposed this was a discussion about whether or not we should be lynching based on the need for information.
I was asked what I think about it and replied.
Now you chime in saying I'm against scumhunting when that wasn't even what we were discussing.
Point of the matter is we don't know what his alignment is and no one has shown a reason why he is Scum. "If this, If that" isn't even up for debate here or else we should just start lynching everyone to satisfy our conditional statements.
But hey keep getting upset because I won't support plans to lynch the same guy while you ignore the other 90% of the playerbase. Not my fault you cant get your way.
Yea, 90% of the playerbase. Fine, lets lynch people who haven't posted.
1. Loanshark
2. CubEdln
3. LSB
4. Lexpar
5. Brownbear
6. annul
7. beneather
8. Kenpachi
9. Nemesis
10. Seraph
11. Veldril
12. Hesmyrr
13. bumatlarge
14. drag_
15. jcarlsoniv
16. ghrur
17. Pandain
18. Ace
19. zerroth
20. kingjames01
21. Chezinu
22. ~OpZ~
23. DLCXVI
24. Coagulation
I'm fine with the bolded's lynch. I'm also fine on Pandain's lynch as he's been MIA.
But I'm also fine with your's ace. You have several one liner posts. You've tried to dismantle any order thats been forming. You press CONFLICTING logic, like soft claiming you defend, but telling everyone to attack. Then saying you'll be attacking?
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On November 20 2010 04:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 04:52 Ace wrote:
The fact is when the plan was proposed this was a discussion about whether or not we should be lynching based on the need for information.
I was asked what I think about it and replied.
Now you chime in saying I'm against scumhunting when that wasn't even what we were discussing.
Point of the matter is we don't know what his alignment is and no one has shown a reason why he is Scum. "If this, If that" isn't even up for debate here or else we should just start lynching everyone to satisfy our conditional statements.
But hey keep getting upset because I won't support plans to lynch the same guy while you ignore the other 90% of the playerbase. Not my fault you cant get your way. We don't know ANYONE'S alignment, that's the thing. I don't really like lynching a possible innocent with little evidence to state he's scum, but he is a safe choice. We know he has no voting power, so the town won't lose much if he is town. Town needs to learn something, and instead of just shitting around for 2 days waiting for night to come, why don't we get something done. If the lurkers see that people are actually getting lynched, they might come out of hiding even.
Well Hessmyrr isn't a lurker so why would they care? 
Like I said before, if it wasn't for the fact that Hessmyrr has been attacked twice, 2 shoddy tries to lynch him based off nothing and Brownbear popping out of no where to vote for him I wouldn't even care. It makes me feel he's innocent because looking at the nature of the last 2 times people tried to off him no one showed he's Scum.
So lynching him for the sake of information accomplishes what we just avoided for 2 days in a row. If we want to scare players that aren't into posting to post then we use the list earlier posted and go after them. Hessmyrr is active so what does lynching him even mean to them?
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oh snap! One liners = scum!
and lol @ you being upset because I won't let you know my night actions and as if that makes me Scum.
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On November 20 2010 05:01 Ace wrote:
Hessmyrr is active so what does lynching him even mean to them?
Actually, if Hesmyrr is so active, why don't you let him defend himself? You know when you're Red, you don't actually have to always go out of your way to micromanage everything. Why don't you try delegating from time to time?
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On November 20 2010 05:01 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 04:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 20 2010 04:52 Ace wrote:
The fact is when the plan was proposed this was a discussion about whether or not we should be lynching based on the need for information.
I was asked what I think about it and replied.
Now you chime in saying I'm against scumhunting when that wasn't even what we were discussing.
Point of the matter is we don't know what his alignment is and no one has shown a reason why he is Scum. "If this, If that" isn't even up for debate here or else we should just start lynching everyone to satisfy our conditional statements.
But hey keep getting upset because I won't support plans to lynch the same guy while you ignore the other 90% of the playerbase. Not my fault you cant get your way. We don't know ANYONE'S alignment, that's the thing. I don't really like lynching a possible innocent with little evidence to state he's scum, but he is a safe choice. We know he has no voting power, so the town won't lose much if he is town. Town needs to learn something, and instead of just shitting around for 2 days waiting for night to come, why don't we get something done. If the lurkers see that people are actually getting lynched, they might come out of hiding even. Well Hessmyrr isn't a lurker so why would they care? Like I said before, if it wasn't for the fact that Hessmyrr has been attacked twice, 2 shoddy tries to lynch him based off nothing and Brownbear popping out of no where to vote for him I wouldn't even care. It makes me feel he's innocent because looking at the nature of the last 2 times people tried to off him no one showed he's Scum. So lynching him for the sake of information accomplishes what we just avoided for 2 days in a row. If we want to scare players that aren't into posting to post then we use the list earlier posted and go after them. Hessmyrr is active so what does lynching him even mean to them?
The Night 1 attempted attack on Hesmyrr would have yielded 0 information had it been successful. The day 2 attempt at lynching I'll admit was feeble at best, and really just blew out of proportion because you and LSB were arguing so much. But now we have a halfway decent plan that could help the town with minimal damage.
As for scaring the lurkers, that was just an afterthought I typed as I was thinking it. Something needs to be done about the lurkers though. Also, I think the fact that a lynch isn't required each day is stupid. It really caters to mafia just hiding out.
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Well me and DC clearly aren't on the same team. Or him and annul.
I need to go find an updated map with Who is what nation....
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On November 20 2010 05:04 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 05:01 Ace wrote:
Hessmyrr is active so what does lynching him even mean to them? Actually, if Hesmyrr is so active, why don't you let him defend himself? You know when you're Red, you don't actually have to always go out of your way to micromanage everything. Why don't you try delegating from time to time?
I like to stop shoddy bandwagons. But if you feel I'm red then put your vote down and lets get it poppin homie.
@jcarl: I agree majority lynch caters to Scum. But as a game mod part of the reason why I've seen it used a lot is because you end with players having only 4 votes and then getting lynched. When half the playerbase wasn't around or didn't care to read the thread that is a major downer.
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From the list of players in the OP, I believe that everyone has played Mafia at least a few times before.
I just wanted to throw a comment out there...
Isn't it strange that Ace is acting as though he were on the chopping block? Why is he taking Hesmyrr's fate so personally? There is a minimal amount of pressure applied and Ace is off to fight a crusade.
Ace, what are you trying to hide? If Hesmyrr is innocent, then so be it. He can't help us win anyway. If Hesmyrr is Red, then we're better off than before.
If you don't like the plan, think of a better one.
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On November 20 2010 05:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I need to go find an updated map with Who is what nation....
Here's my post from before:
Note: it's the temporary map, not the good one that Coagulation posted after. I'm re-posting this one since it also includes the Day post.
On November 19 2010 09:39 kingjames01 wrote:EBWOP: I thought that I should add in the Day 3 post to keep things tidy. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/3xF8U.jpg) Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 07:22 Caller wrote:
Day 3
The ever expansionist Rebirthing of Shinmafigumi, perhaps the actual Shinmafigumi, perhaps not, fought the forces of the Glorious Knee and routed them, seizing control of province 3.
The just as expanding Kingdom of Whoring laid a clever ruse. They managed to trick the unhardened guards of province 17 to open the gates to their castle by using a giant Trojan whore. Needless to say the army of the Nation of Despair was caught with their pants down.
Meanwhile, the RrietCong, a secret special forces unit of the Rainbow Rumpus Town, led a bunch of angry Guerrillas to take back their province of 8 from the unprepared Hojo House.
The aptly named Province 30 caught the defenders of Sakura Gaibun unawares while they were preparing from an attack from the west. Needless to say, the eastern attacking armies of Province 30 met no resistance while steamrolling through province 25..
The land of SuperSpitze had apparently decided to disband the army to save money. This was a pretty silly idea as the Mongolian hordes of RedAvi continued their unceasing pillaging of villages, raping of small animals, and confiscation of small metal objects in their province 15.
Lastly, the cowardly force of ScumSlipVille felt a need to do the white man's burden in province 27, taking control of it, drafting the men, teaching the girls how to make babies, and fornicating on the village greens.
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Here's a better one:
Lynch people who don't post.
If Hessmyrr is innocent, he has been active and can still help even with 0 votes since he'll be posting.
Players that aren't active don't vote and don't post. They may or may not hold land and regardless will make hitting majority that much harder.
There's my plan.
FYI I'm not trying to hide anything. Ace never hides.
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On November 20 2010 05:09 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 05:04 kingjames01 wrote:On November 20 2010 05:01 Ace wrote:
Hessmyrr is active so what does lynching him even mean to them? Actually, if Hesmyrr is so active, why don't you let him defend himself? You know when you're Red, you don't actually have to always go out of your way to micromanage everything. Why don't you try delegating from time to time? I like to stop shoddy bandwagons. But if you feel I'm red then put your vote down and lets get it poppin homie. @jcarl: I agree majority lynch caters to Scum. But as a game mod part of the reason why I've seen it used a lot is because you end with players having only 4 votes and then getting lynched. When half the playerbase wasn't around or didn't care to read the thread that is a major downer.
I said right form the start that it wasn't a great plan, but it's better than nothing. I hate just sitting around for two days waiting for night. Something has to happen, because the game is rather boring right now.
And kingjames is right, if you don't like it, give us an alternative. I am a fairly open-minded individual, I'm open to suggestions.
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On November 20 2010 05:13 Ace wrote:
Here's a better one:
Lynch people who don't post.
If Hessmyrr is innocent, he has been active and can still help even with 0 votes since he'll be posting.
Players that aren't active don't vote and don't post. They may or may not hold land and regardless will make hitting majority that much harder.
There's my plan.
FYI I'm not trying to hide anything. Ace never hides.
On November 20 2010 04:13 kingjames01 wrote:
I'm going to post something before the mafia figure it out.
Here's what I'm predicting. Since voting is not mandatory, the mafia is going to wait on this vote until they are sure the town has stirred. They don't want Hesmyrr to flip.
Now, somewhere along the line, one of the more clever mafiosos might realize a way out, so I've been trying to think of a way for Hesmyrr or one of his scum buddies to wriggle out of it.
They're going to advocate keeping him around so that he can still "benefit" the town. Maybe they'll claim that he's a Guerrilla Warrior. Any player who does any such action is suspicious.
Interesting...
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