Insane Mafia

On October 22 2010 18:27 Coagulation wrote:



mods can see pms btw

On October 29 2010 06:55 annul wrote:
wait so

we cannot vote to lynch anyone directly, we have to vote for somebody to choose the lynch target?

thats ridiculous lol

On October 29 2010 09:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

the past is the past!

On October 29 2010 09:28 LunarDestiny wrote:
DoctorHelvetica voting for Bumatlarge did give out some information about their alignment.

If DoctorHelvetica is Town, then Bumatlarge is Town or Mafia
If DoctorHelvetica is Mafia, then Bumatlarge is Mafia
If Bumatlarge is Town, then DoctorHelvetica is Town
If Bumatlarge is Mafia, then DoctorHelvetica can be Town or Mafia

On October 29 2010 21:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:
The way I'm sort of seeing this who situation is that this town circle is sort of like Congress. It's kinda of in the background, and they represent our votes. If we have good, experienced, town aligned players in this Congress, then we can have a lot of power in this game. If there is some mafia influence, how bad could it be for the town?

An experienced player won't necessarily be influenced easily, and members of Congress will have to submit to a background check (everyone knows that politicians' lives aren't secret from anyone). Additionally, if Fishball is the mayor, his behavior will be heavily watched, and any scummy activity can be checked. Since no one else has really brought anything to the table, I believe that voting Fishball could be a *relatively* safe option. I reserve my judgement to see if/when another good candidate steps forward.

On October 29 2010 14:55 youngminii wrote:
I buy fishball's story. I don't buy bum's.

On October 30 2010 03:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I know you have said that you can't prove yourself, and I don't necessarily think you shouldn't be mayor. I think you are a good candidate. However, I feel it is necessary to play Devil's Advocate and propose worst case scenarios.

In your alternate scenarios, would you have been voted Mayor at that point? I'm not sure mayor can be role checked... Having yourself lynched would be nice as a consolation that we trusted the right person, but if you are a good Mayor, it doesn't really help us much.

Can the Mayor be rolechecked?

On October 30 2010 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple.

we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle.

now imagine these scenarios:
neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia players
neutral circle 6 town aligned players
neutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia players

from a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists

the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue.

that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT

if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball

if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him.

On October 30 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


i'm not cool with roleclaiming either, but people in this group should come out. it is otherwise too easy for fishball to lie about this. if we know who is in the circle, we know who has out of game information, we know who to keep an eye on as town.

if there are mafia in that circle they will have to play twice as good as they would normally have to play. if the whole circle is mafia, faking it to save fishball, we will likely dominate them and win the game easily

do you get where I'm going with this? even if there is only 1 mafia in the circle, we at least confirm there is a circle with townies in it and that is useful information for us. it's not necessarily about finding and killing mafia (it would be lovely, in fact i hope it's all a mafia lie), but it's a win/win scenario for town no matter what happens.

On November 01 2010 14:26 Ace wrote:


1 bodyguard announced.
Aeres claims bodyguard after DC's alleged soft claim.
Annul dies at night, revealed to be bodyguard.
DC says he never role claimed BG.
I point out in 3 ways that Aeres screwed up and had to be lying about the claim.
He then comes out and says he lied.

If you don't think he's Scum then show us someone even Scummier than he.

On November 01 2010 13:47 youngminii wrote:
You should see Pandain's style of play in other games. In almost every game as town he would pull this type of shit and get killed and flip town and cause mass confusion.

@jcarl: I understand what you mean by the town being very secure about me but there's not much they can do. As far as they can tell, I might be invincible and trying to kill me will do nothing. In any case, there's not really anything toooooo scummy about my (perceived) role imo.

On November 01 2010 20:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if I'm roleblocked every night then you'd have to trust me which is as good as anything other mayoral candidates offered and I'd be soaking up whatever roleblock power it was. we can only see what happens.

a DT could investigate me as well if that would add any security to anyones mind. there is not necessarily a godfather in this game and I'd be suspicious of players operating under the assumption hat the godfather exists particularly in a game where the godfather would have to make up a role for himself.

On November 01 2010 22:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:


It has already been confirmed by Artanis that Dr.H can be DT checked.

For example, he should come back as Mayor Stick assuming he hasn't lied about his role.

On November 01 2010 23:50 youngminii wrote:

I apologise, I can try be more inactive just for you. What a great argument you have there. I've already said I was afk for basically all of day 1, are you seriously saying you can't see that?

Probably made a 'newbie' mistake? It's a pretty huge mistake/scumtell if you looked at it carefully, I don't see why you're letting the cookie thief get away without even a slap on the wrist.

I look at my arguments and then I look at the argument I threw out. Pandain and DrH going at it about how DrH has no way of proving he's innocent. Is this argument constructive? No, it will bring nothing new to the table. No analysis, except maybe Pandain's overeagerness of going for DrH. My arguments are designed to punish the liar, the person who got caught red handed in his 'one man hero attempt to save the bodyguard'. I'm still waiting for the counterargument and it's not coming. So yeah, I think I'll go ahead and gun him.

I wasn't aware I had a style of being quiet until I'm lynched if I was just a townie. If you could direct me to a game where I did this, please do. Ditto for my typical 'pro-town' play. Oh yeah, how is it worth nothing I'm not 'just a townie'? You realise there are no 'just a townies' in this game, right? Or are you that inactive?

I'd appreciate it if you stopped pulling idiotic arguments out. Thank you very much,

On August 15 2010 23:09 youngminii wrote:
I'm a bit sick of this game. I don't think I like playing town roles that much, I'm just not motivated to play, sorry about the afkness. I'm still trying to keep up with what's happening though.

From what I can tell:
Misder = mafia (confirmed)
foolishness = mafia (in my eyes)

So there go my votes.

On November 02 2010 03:24 Fishball wrote:


But if you cannot have a successful poke, no matter what reason, then you can never prove your role. It's that simple.

Oh, the paradox.

On November 02 2010 07:13 Coagulation wrote:
i get warned daily.

On November 02 2010 08:56 Ace wrote:


Like I said ages ago and just like Fishball illustrated - his role is not tied to his alignment.


@Amber: It doesn't matter if it's a newbie mistake. Lying is SCUMMMY. I don't know why we always go with these "oh he was just trying to be a hero townie so he lied" moments. How many games do we need to play where Scum lie, town believes it was just a mistake and there's a red GG Scum Wins message on page 100? Lynch All Liars. Period. Once you start letting the first person go with lies then it's extremely hard to lynch the next set of liars since they have the same safe alibi.

As an example, remember the greatest lie ever told in a Mafia game on TL.net is Caller's bullshit Insane Busdriver claim, 2 days after he led the town to believe he was another role. The town bought it hook, line and sinker because "oh Caller was just trying to help" and walla - 2 dead townes, Caller escapes THREE lynches and the town loses. Stop letting people lie. You can't even defend this anymore (and this goes for all of you trying to justify Aeres's play).

@Jcarl: Who cares if he's the Village Idiot. If he is, ignore him. Scum hunt. Village Idiots usually don't end the game as it's just a "yay you managed to get lynched" role aka completely useless. That said I doubt he's a VI. Probably just playing "dumb" in order to save himself from being nightkilled.

@Aeres: Your best bet is to hope for a DT or some kind of hidden Pardoner role to save you. Somehow I doubt that's going to happen though.

@L: You can't prove Dr.H lied. Dr.H said he'd try to use his ability on Night 1, and it's inconclusive on if he was roleblocked, if Jcarl is telling the truth or if Dr.H is lying. With Aeres we know he's lying. Big difference. LAL doesn't apply to Dr.H because he wasn't caught lying.

Also if Aeres is some kind of mad hatter role that just shows he was lying about being a Cruise Captain - which would mean he lied TWICE. Now we are encouraging townies to lie about everything just to draw a hit to save a Mayor who's alignment he doesn't know? Shit just sign me up for the next religious cult asap.

Once again L is asking for the death of one player to "confirm" another. Remember what I said about him trying to get people killed for information? Right.

Dr.H's death doesn't give you any bearing onto Aeres's alignment. Period.

@deconduo: If townies have to lie sometimes with good reason give some examples because this time was definitely not good.

Guys, we aren't going after Kenpachi or any non-active players today. We've got 2 big situations to solve right now. Let's actually scum hunt.

@Dr.H - youngminii seems to be getting bandwagoned "because he should have died during the lynch". deconduo is saying youngminii, who hasn't been shown to lie at all or do anything scummy should be lynched over a guy who has lied, possibly twice AFTER 2 players pushed him onto the spotlight.

On November 02 2010 13:52 Veldril wrote:


I try to post something but having fever and playing Mafia make my head hurts even more T T

Regarding Dr.H and jcarlson, I think there are too many possibilities to simply conclude anything. I still 80% certain that Dr.H is a town player. However, he needs to prove his role quickly or he will lose the trust from me.

On Aeres, I really have no comments at this point (can't have good thinking right now T T). But I would not vote for him simply because of LAL. But I admit that young, and Dr.H made a good analysis on him.

I will put my vote on Divinek for the time being. He's a vet and I want him to say something too. I have yet to see his post about current situation. Also, last game he barely posted and turn out to be red in the end so I think we need to force him to be more active this game too.

On November 02 2010 22:28 deconduo wrote:


So you are saying we should lynch Aeres to set an example?

On November 02 2010 22:35 youngminii wrote:
That is what the policy of LAL revolves around, discouraging blatant lies.

On November 02 2010 22:59 deconduo wrote:


Sitting back and letting 3 letters be law for every single scenario just boggles my mind. Not looking at things in a case by case basis is utterly utterly utterly demented. But hey, people seem to be set in their ways and who am I to change that.

On November 03 2010 03:13 Fishball wrote:


I honestly think the mods could have easily overlooked this situation.
Yesterday, I actually had to convince Artanis to make an announcement of an additional circle member, and explain the consequences if we don't.

Also, the way I see it, his role is a heavy trade-off. You either play a dull role, or you get a fun one but the Mafia knows. This is assuming his role is legit.

On November 03 2010 03:34 L wrote:
I've been mentioning this could be a mistake the entire time. It is not, however, a tradeoff at all unless there's another hidden piece of the puzzle.

Like the doctor also being a mason, perhaps.

On November 03 2010 20:42 CubEdIn wrote:


Right, you seem to be doing a might good job.

Please point us to the next innocent bystander that looks odd to you.

On November 03 2010 22:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Well this seems rather foreboding now doesn't it?

On November 03 2010 22:17 CubEdIn wrote:
I never blamed you. I just said it was rude to claim that other people learn how to scumhunt, when your snowball hurt the town.

I fail to see how I'm more to blame, since my vote didn't change anything, but your posts started it.

Either way, it's not about blame, it's about hypocrisy, if you wish. You shouldn't act high-and-mighty after you don' gon' goofed.
Also, I like how you're playing the "i'm only 1 vote" after you admitted causing the band-wagon, and saying that you would "gladly do it again".

Very smart play, I must say. Excuse me for not being scared of you.

On November 03 2010 22:58 deconduo wrote:


That was the whole point of Aeres claim. Maf can't kill him, therefore maf can't kill mayor. It was an awesome claim, and people are stupid.

On November 04 2010 21:12 CubEdIn wrote:
Or what if you just don't say anything?

Don't say anything and see what happens. Or keep it down to one word like "meow" or whatever.

On November 05 2010 05:30 Infundibulum wrote:


Why ban when you can lynch?

On November 05 2010 07:37 Beneather wrote:
If DC is lying wouldn't that make him a scum and so we would have another person to lynch at ?

On November 06 2010 06:47 LunarDestiny wrote:
Amber, I see you are voting for Hyper right now, your vote can decide the lynching.

That said, I still unsure if Pandain is the right choice.

On November 07 2010 00:57 Pandain wrote:
Alright, so whats the plan? here's what I think:
1.Dt/alignment cop, if you can, is too check me.

2.Medics need to protect people in this order:
1.Dr. H
2. Infinite
3.Me(if you don't think I'm red )
4.NB
5.Other vets(Ace, Infunidiblum, L, etc...)

On November 07 2010 09:21 Node wrote:


If I had a direct answer, I would give it to you. I can only guess based on what I read on the day post.



Judging by this, deconduo's final action was to switch NB and DocH.

I've mentioned before that knowing who is going to die is a double-edged sword -- and that a bus driver role could potentially wreak havoc with it. Surprise, surprise. DocH is a much better pick to die than NB, so I'm honestly not surprised that this is the course of action the mafia took.

NB, you ought to have gotten a PM if you were directly saved by a medic. At least, that's how it worked in Haunted Mafia. Did that happen?

In any case, Amber[LighT] is due to die tonight.

On November 07 2010 14:46 Pandain wrote:


what do you mean, "Should have died today anyway." That's a horrible reason to lynch a blue, especially one as valuable as mine. I got extremely fortunate that there was a DT who could check me, and confirm me for who I am. As for "to check our DT" that's useless. Let's say KtheZ was sane:

1.Me and Infinite are red. Then for some inexplicable reasons mafia have two investigative roles(seriously?).
2.If he's insane, then you just lynched a valuable blue to confirm WHAT WAS ALREADY KNOWN. The other possibility is that KtheZ is red, but then lynching me won't do anything because he can just claim his check was consistent with his (in)sanity.

On November 08 2010 08:10 kitaman27 wrote:


Thanks for my role clarification. I didn't realize you were a mod.

No, I was not given the tracker role, I was given the watcher role.



I see what you did there. You modified my role and then attacked me for not following your modification. Clever.






I had a feeling you might claim this. Luckily, I decided to hide my discovery in a post right after I found out you were scum. That way when you accuse me of making the claim up, I can show you I had the information prior to finding out who would be the lynch targets.



Thankfully it doesn't matter if Amber[light] is slated to die or not tonight. Only that he is willing to confirm he did not leave his house on night two.



Nice scare tactic.

On November 08 2010 08:27 Nemesis wrote:

Can you link or quote me to where Amber confirmed it?

On November 08 2010 08:27 Ace wrote:


I don't know, maybe because if Amber did have a role that could leave his house by now he would have said something? 3 Nights have passed so it's not a big gamble to assume that if Amber did have an active role he'd have done something by now. Besides that doesn't say anything about Amber's alignment.

But ok, let's put the fact that you have a Watcher role with Tracker abilities aside.

If I was involved in the killings last night then who did I kill? If you are a Watcher role with some new kind of description then why don't you have the name of the player I targeted?.

On November 08 2010 11:09 Ace wrote:


READ!

Amber never did anything for 3 nights. He never talked about having a role. So you choosing him isn't a big gamble - it's convenient.

Why aren't you answering the other questions about your role not making sense with the rest of the game?

You also don't think it's convenient that after Inf admits he hasn't used his role yet and that Is says he checked Inf you claim to have tracked/watched Inf Night 1?

On November 08 2010 23:13 L wrote:

We?

On November 09 2010 04:23 Hyperbola wrote:

So basically you have almost nothing against me. DrH's analysis was already addressed by me and I believe I provided counterarguments for everything he said. It seems to me you are desperate to shift blame on someone and that is quite scummy in my point of view. Perhaps I'll vote for your lynch tomorrow.

On November 09 2010 08:19 Pandain wrote:
amber, who do you think is most likely mafia:
Me, Ace, or kthez.
I want to hear your honest opinion.
If you think KtheZ out of all of usthen you should vote him since voting for kenpachi doesn't mean anything

On November 09 2010 08:32 Glasse wrote:
you did just save my mafia suspect by unvoting him, amber[light]

with less than an hour left, why? to save your mafia buddy?

On November 09 2010 08:33 Pandain wrote:


glasse answer my questions?

At amber, WHY do people think Im mafia. That's what im not hearing at ALL.

On November 10 2010 08:36 LunarDestiny wrote:
Summarize of our actions:
Day3:group formed,
Night3:we hit on deconduo
Night4:we hit on Ace

On November 10 2010 08:38 LunarDestiny wrote:

Look at how Kitaman got bullied.

On November 12 2010 14:50 Infundibulum wrote:
i want to apologize for being so inactive. i normally am not but i've been really busy lately working 2 jobs :\

On November 12 2010 17:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

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dem niggaz needed the help newayz
Also I am still pissed and confused to why amber targeted me