Insane Mafia - Page 2

On November 01 2010 13:06 Misder wrote:
I'm going to bring this up again, why do you think mafia chose to kill annul? Do you think they found about him being the bodygaurd? Cause I don't see another reason why mafia would kill him. He didn't make any amazingly good post that would screw mafia over did he?

On November 01 2010 13:06 DCLXVI wrote:
Still that is the best way for him to use his role if he is telling the truth now, I just am not sure where to criticize his confession. LAL or believe that it was an honest mistake? Kind of a dumb play for scum so I am inclined to believe him.

On November 01 2010 13:06 DCLXVI wrote:
So the potential doctor is risking saving a "confirmed" blue vs losing himself as well. Unless someone provides me with an good enough reason I will not fully roleclaim

On November 01 2010 13:16 Nemesis wrote:
I don't know why there are a good amount of people lynching Aeres. Aeres basically roleclaimed to take a hit incase DC was actually bodyguard. And if he isn't lying about his role, that is basically the best thing he can do with it.

Also, what benefit could roleclaiming as bodyguard give mafia really?

On November 01 2010 20:18 Coagulation wrote:
the way hes jumping all over aeres with lynch first ask questions later looks scummy.

On November 01 2010 22:24 NB wrote:
very interesting that the elder vote has been used again? Could it be that there is some insight that our DTs has connection with the elder and the vote is 100% correct? :D

On November 01 2010 22:43 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I'm not going to quote YM directly since he seems to be active (wow..).

Why you so active? Day 1 you were hiding in the back not making many waves. Now you want to go after someone who has probably made a "newbie" mistake as though he's just stolen all of the cookies from the cookie jar.

Look at your arguments, and look at other arguments. You're really gunning for someone who we don't really know enough about. And you're kinda throwing random discussion out. Sad to say this is typical of your "pro-town" play. It's also worth noting that we know you're not "just a townie" since you would usually play quiet until you're lynched, making yourself completely useless. How useful your being should determine your alignment...

On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote:
##Vote Aeres

There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched.

Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game.

I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you.

On November 01 2010 23:57 Amber[LighT] wrote:


Well without putting much effort into outting you since you don't know yourself well enough, this was (what looks like) your end-post for Flamewheels game:



Reference Post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139517&currentpage=91#1811

Very apathetic. Not very engaging. Not really pushing with "evidence." You had this epiphany where you're going to use reason in your posts? I find it highly suspicious.

On November 02 2010 09:29 infinitestory wrote:
Going to offer my argument against youngminii now. This is likely the antithesis to DrH's post.

by request:
An analysis of youngminii

It's interesting to note that youngminii made only one post on Day 1. It "explains" his choice for mayor (not really, since it's exactly 8 words long). He hasn't even expounded on it as of now, and he didn't respond to questioning.

Two conclusions. Nothing to show how he got there. He still hasn't said anything about it, but at this point it might be moot.

I'll be honest, this post was stupid considering it was my only post for day 1, I'm not surprised I was lynched. I was tired and I had just read the role PM when I posted this and after hastily reading through the thread, I posted this in case I didn't have time to post anything later (which was what ended up happening).


That's fair. I'm not going to question an unexpected leave. Still, you should respond to the questions we asked on Day 1.

Fair enough. Half the questions were a "why does he only have one post" kind of thing though.


This isn't much of a defense, actually. Basically, he says there is no way that his lynch-dodge could be a red role. Except that it was pointed out that it is actually possible for a lynch-dodging role to be red (e.g. dodge lynch the first time, like a red veteran). I agree that it's not beneficial for him to roleclaim at this point (at least not fully), but instead of using "It's not beneficial to town" as a reason, he uses "I'm obviously not red" as a reason. That's odd.

I've never seen a red role have an unlynchable role. I mean I read DrH's post and I see that there could be but at the time that was what I believed. Also, veterans cannot bypass lynches, they can only take an extra night hit.


He keeps dodging, but he's been adamant about revealing nothing about his role so far. I wouldn't expect anything different. The question is valid, as it's a miswording from Artanis.
The less information red has about town the better imo.


Reveals that he hasn't been reading the game carefully in any way (doesn't know about bumatlarge's circle powers OR fishball's circle). Continues to claim that his role could only possibly be blue.
It's true, I skimmed about half of the day 1 posts, but I admitted that before. Just so you know, I did know about fishball's circle but not about bum's.


Here begins (?) his wagonmongering against Aeres. Even Glasse pointed out that there's no reason to interpret Artanis' words this way.
I probably shouldn't have said that, it was just something that popped up in my head and I decided to write it to stir some thoughts. I did add the "Maybe" at the end, like you know, "NOT A GUARANTEE" at the end of those ads.


This is legitimate. He does find an odd contradiction in Aeres' post which becomes one of the main reasons he's questioned and eventually revealed.


It's true that Aeres should have been under much more suspicion at this point (and indeed, we soon began questioning Aeres further). However, the scumtell he points out isn't exactly great, as a sane scum who intended to incite distrust of DC would have claimed bodyguard and acted like the only one.


His first post in a long time. LAL isn't even valid unless there's reason to believe he made that claim to deceive the town. Many people (I think Pandain and DrH both said this, which might be an only-once kind of thing) have stated that lying can be beneficial to the town.
Fair enough, I don't like lies though.


At this point, he starts attacking Pandain's arguments as spam. No doubt Pandain gets very worked up and the back-and-forth is ... length, but the argumentation isn't contentless.
I like Pandain, I do. I don't like the way he posts sometimes, just as I know some people don't like the way I post. I'm allowed to make my opinions public.


Focus on Aeres? Why is Aeres' revelation of lying more conclusive than the several contradictions Pandain pointed out? At this point, I'm worried he's reading selectively, and he seems to be actively distracting the town from DrH and putting attention on Aeres.
I don't consider them contradictions. He's just going over the same points over and over ("you said you could prove yourself 100% but now you can't because of reasons x y z which I don't trust so you're scum") and I thought it was getting very tiresome/useless.


This is untrue. A player who plays badly or in a discouraged way is not necessarily red. He's just not an asset to town. But we don't lynch to get rid of just anybody. We must lynch to get rid of REDS. So far, nobody has shown decisively that Aeres lied to deceive the town.
I dunno about you but if there were no reds up for lynch, I'd lynch the bad player. At the moment there's no one that looks scummier than Aeres and the same was true for the time of that post.


That's fair. I didn't play in Haunted Mafia, so I wouldn't know.


good god, and you're trying to lesson us on what's unlikely and hypothetical, what's concrete and conclusive.
hahahahhahaha


Assuming Node is telling the truth, the hit is decided at the beginning of the day.


The mafia could also put us into a state of "as soon as someone is discovered as lying, lynch." He also makes a very interesting comment, that Aeres doesn't seem to have made up his role -> He must have made it up and then had a "team of people" peer review it. He's really finding the most outlandish ways to paint Aeres as red.
It may be outlandish. I don't think that makes me scum though.


This is just WRONG. Killing someone to find out their alignment is not what we lynch for.
It was a bit of a joke post (hence the ^_^) but I shouldn't have posted that in the first place. What I should have posted was "If there's no one that sounds scummier than Aeres right now, we should lynch him and see what he flips, then we can figure out what to do/who to lynch based on his alignment".


This is fair. It makes sense with his alibi, but that doesn't mean it isn't suspicious.


This is true and fair.


This is also true and fair.


I would recommend you defend yourself. If you don't, probably nobody will. YOU should create the counter argument.
I meant counter argument from Aeres about the argument against him.


That might be a bit of a stretch. I doubt there are three circles (aside from the mafia), so the DT and Elder would have to be in either bum's circle or fishball's circle. Remember, fishball only has 3 people in his circle, including himself.


Those arguments are not idiotic. We don't know enough about Aeres to declare him as scum. If you are waiting for a counterargument against yourself, maybe you should produce it. That second part is the main thing I find wrong with this post.


This continues to make 0 sense. Why would you not feel the need to defend yourself?
Fine, fine, I'm defending myself.


OK. I apologize for missing posts (I know I missed one, but I can't find it >____>)
Youngminii has been very concerned with Aeres and getting Aeres lynched without evidence. It seems either scummy or evident of a DT who doesn't know how to play and is martyring himself. Except, how many DTs can dodge lynches? >__>
Youngminii adamantly refuses to defend himself. I can't possibly imagine what that means, but if anybody wants to supply a theory, I REALLY want to hear it.

On November 01 2010 04:22 youngminii wrote:

Translation: Aeres is scum and he's making up the role. By answering this question, I would be confirming the existence of the fake role and as such, I can't give a real answer.

Maybe.