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Well Fishball said that he has additional powers on top of being able to communicate with those in his circle, so he's not just a random mason.
That being said, it does scare me to give someone who has that much power even more power. The secrecy could hurt the town more than it could help. Also, he has additional powers, so why can't he execute his plan without the mayoral position? He is pushing for the protection of Mayor as much as annul is, so why should we just give it to him?
On the other hand, annul is a master manipulator. Do I believe he can use his powers for good? Absolutely, he is a very good player. But do I think that he could be Mafia playing the town again? Yeah, and he's damn good at it.
It's so hard to make a decision of any sort without any idea of the possible powers out there.
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On October 30 2010 03:22 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 03:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:After reading the thread this morning I'm going to leave my vote for Pandain. I want to feel secure with the mayor and as great as Fishball's "circle" might be, the possibility of a mafia being in that circle is to great a chance to take. I also think the mayor being able to communicate privately is a recipe for trouble, Coag says it best: my problem is this. If we elect you as mayor.. you will have communications with people outside of this thread(pm) that will influence the game and could be extremely vital to scum hunting.
I would rather have a mayor that has transparency.. any communications he makes will be public so we can keep an eye on him.
Actually, the possibility with mafia being in the circle (extremely likely), is exactly why I'm trying to run for Mayor. If not for this possibility, this would be way overpowered. It's not like I have some secret information that I'll be sharing with the circle. Let me do a very rough and simple break down of how it might look like. If I become Mayor, I will request the other 5 to role claim to me. Depending on the roles, assignment for their Day/Night actions will be made. We roll from there. If anything doesn't add up, I'll be sure to know. Again, this is a just a very rough presentation, and there is a lot more we can do to utilize this circle. Like presenting all it's members when the time is right, etc. The Mayor is basically the most monitored role in the game. If I do anything extremely suspicious, the Town can easily lynch me off.
But the thing is, if you have the ability to converse in secret, and you end up being a Mafia Mayor, we will have NO idea if anything is fishy. You could have them roleclaim, give them assignments, and what have you, but we will never know if you want to cover something up that goes on in PM land.
The Mayor is the most heavily watched, but the possibility of the Mayor hiding things scares me. Everything the Mayor does should be out in the open, nothing should be private.
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On October 30 2010 03:40 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 03:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 03:22 Fishball wrote:On October 30 2010 03:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:After reading the thread this morning I'm going to leave my vote for Pandain. I want to feel secure with the mayor and as great as Fishball's "circle" might be, the possibility of a mafia being in that circle is to great a chance to take. I also think the mayor being able to communicate privately is a recipe for trouble, Coag says it best: my problem is this. If we elect you as mayor.. you will have communications with people outside of this thread(pm) that will influence the game and could be extremely vital to scum hunting.
I would rather have a mayor that has transparency.. any communications he makes will be public so we can keep an eye on him.
Actually, the possibility with mafia being in the circle (extremely likely), is exactly why I'm trying to run for Mayor. If not for this possibility, this would be way overpowered. It's not like I have some secret information that I'll be sharing with the circle. Let me do a very rough and simple break down of how it might look like. If I become Mayor, I will request the other 5 to role claim to me. Depending on the roles, assignment for their Day/Night actions will be made. We roll from there. If anything doesn't add up, I'll be sure to know. Again, this is a just a very rough presentation, and there is a lot more we can do to utilize this circle. Like presenting all it's members when the time is right, etc. The Mayor is basically the most monitored role in the game. If I do anything extremely suspicious, the Town can easily lynch me off. But the thing is, if you have the ability to converse in secret, and you end up being a Mafia Mayor, we will have NO idea if anything is fishy. You could have them roleclaim, give them assignments, and what have you, but we will never know if you want to cover something up that goes on in PM land. The Mayor is the most heavily watched, but the possibility of the Mayor hiding things scares me. Everything the Mayor does should be out in the open, nothing should be private. Fair enough. Like I said last night, I cannot prove myself, I can only convince. At this stage of the game, the only way to prove your innocence is death. If town wants to play it safe, a quick alternate scenario I can think of is to let me roll and try to gather as much information as I can for a few cycles. I then may or may not announce the remaining members, and release whatever information I can (depending on situation), and have myself lynched to prove my role and alignment. Another way is to have DT's check me first night. I'm sure there are multiple DT's in the game, whether they are role checking DT's or alignment DT's. If nobody says anything, then all is good. But if there is any discrepancies, we'll know that either I am lying, or the DT is. (unless the DT is insane, then this game is really INSANE)
I know you have said that you can't prove yourself, and I don't necessarily think you shouldn't be mayor. I think you are a good candidate. However, I feel it is necessary to play Devil's Advocate and propose worst case scenarios.
In your alternate scenarios, would you have been voted Mayor at that point? I'm not sure mayor can be role checked... Having yourself lynched would be nice as a consolation that we trusted the right person, but if you are a good Mayor, it doesn't really help us much.
Can the Mayor be rolechecked?
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On October 30 2010 03:56 Pandain wrote:
I would be alright with Fishball for mayor I guess, but again, I just don't know why he has to. His reason is protection, but we have medics, no? This circle can be incrediably useful and a valuable asset to town, and if what he says is true, that "his role is crucial to the circle", then why must he go to the extreme and go mayor?
To me, being mayor is more than just having protection. Sure, it's useful, and obviously a lot of us running might have valuable roles, but really what Fishball has is an unconfirmed circle, with an unconfirmed Fishball, the real power coming from the ability to pm. An extra vote IS helpful in mafia, and with only ~15 people in the late game is a very valuable asset, in addition he gets to decide the first day lynch.
Finally, one possibly very important question:
Can the mayor be infected with murrayitis?
On October 29 2010 11:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Day 1 post:Show nested quote +It quickly became clear that the Mafia had somehow harnessed the power of Murrayitis and planned to use it against the town. The Mayor can be infected by Murrayitis.Show nested quote +If the mayor was visited, and was infected, will he die even if the bodyguards are alive when more than half the participants have murrayitis? Yes. Possible bodyguards are unfortunately piss poor medics.Show nested quote + Are there other viruses (standard poisons) present?
There has been instances of people being "poisoned" and dying on the second night. Will this be a separate mechanic from murrayitis? No information regarding possible poisonings is available, but the known effects of Murrayitis do not include death by poisoning on the second night.
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On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have. having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game
Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure.
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On October 30 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:
If Fishball becomes mayor, then I would think mafia would try to infect him with murrayitis and kill him. The only way we could keep him alive if they do that is have doctors constantly heal him. I don't know how long we need him alive, but here's my thought right now:
Just protecting Fishball with medics is better than having him be mayor AND protect with medics(since they block night kills anyway.)
As for how to continue with his plan, I think one person from the circle should claim they are in circle, then once we know there is one just protect fishball. Then he can do whatever he says is "crucial".
thoughts?
Medics might not be able to cure Murrayitis, in fact, I'm pretty sure they won't be able to. They would only be able to keep their target from dying.
On October 29 2010 10:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Sorry guys, I botched up the definition of Murrayitis completely. This is the 100% correct definition.
Murrayitis Mechanics. The amount of people infected with Murrayitis is posted at the start of the day. Murrayitis is transferred if a carrier is visited, or visits someone during the night. Doctors can cure someone from Murrayitis. While Plague Doctors can cure and transfer immunity to someone with Murrayitis. If over half of the Game has Murrayitis, every carrier of Murrayitis dies.
It appears that Plague Doctors are the ones that would be able to cure Murrayitis.
So if he were Mayor, he would have protection and require a Plague Doctor for the cure.
If he's not Mayor, and we still feel he needs to stay alive, then it would require a Medic for protection and a Plague Doctor for the cure.
If he's Mayor, that is one more available blue per night.
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On October 30 2010 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have. having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure. if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple. we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle. now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia playersneutral circle 6 town aligned playersneutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia playersfrom a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue. that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him.
I agree with you that we need to confirm the existence of the circle before we elect Fishball as Mayor. Having people reveal like that I feel would be very good for us.
The only thing that scares me is having a Mayor that can communicate secretly while the rest of us cant (which I have stressed a few times already). However, the benefits could very well outweigh the risks. Fishball has given us the most information so far, and he is definitely a very viable candidate.
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On October 30 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity.
Who do you think that this other scum running would be?
Youngminii didn't propose a campaign, did he? I do agree that it's funny that bum dropped out though...
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On October 30 2010 04:15 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:
If Fishball becomes mayor, then I would think mafia would try to infect him with murrayitis and kill him. The only way we could keep him alive if they do that is have doctors constantly heal him. I don't know how long we need him alive, but here's my thought right now:
Just protecting Fishball with medics is better than having him be mayor AND protect with medics(since they block night kills anyway.)
As for how to continue with his plan, I think one person from the circle should claim they are in circle, then once we know there is one just protect fishball. Then he can do whatever he says is "crucial".
thoughts? Medics might not be able to cure Murrayitis, in fact, I'm pretty sure they won't be able to. They would only be able to keep their target from dying. On October 29 2010 10:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Sorry guys, I botched up the definition of Murrayitis completely. This is the 100% correct definition.
Murrayitis Mechanics. The amount of people infected with Murrayitis is posted at the start of the day. Murrayitis is transferred if a carrier is visited, or visits someone during the night. Doctors can cure someone from Murrayitis. While Plague Doctors can cure and transfer immunity to someone with Murrayitis. If over half of the Game has Murrayitis, every carrier of Murrayitis dies. It appears that Plague Doctors are the ones that would be able to cure Murrayitis. So if he were Mayor, he would have protection and require a Plague Doctor for the cure. If he's not Mayor, and we still feel he needs to stay alive, then it would require a Medic for protection and a Plague Doctor for the cure. If he's Mayor, that is one more available blue per night. If you read again doctors can cure Murrayitis, but plague doctor transfers immunity too.
Oooooh shit, ok. Plague Doctors are BAMFs then.
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On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
even if fishball isn't elected, we should go through with my gambit
that is if no one else from the circle claims at the end of the day, we lynch fishball. everyone who claims gets rolechecked to make sure it isn't a big mafia trick.
Wait, what? If nobody claims, then we kill Fishball, and then rolecheck the people who claimed (0 people)? That's...what?
also I suggest a plague doctor does not visit the mayor tonight. that is for reasons I can not tell you.
I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player
Well that's kinda fishy. That makes me think that you know of someone who has a suicide bomber role or something of that sort.
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On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player
On October 30 2010 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity. Who do you think that this other scum running would be? Youngminii didn't propose a campaign, did he? I do agree that it's funny that bum dropped out though... i have a weird feeling about pandain most of the people voting for him aren't giving much reason and he's winning in votes while most of the discussion ITT has been about fishballs candidacy
These two statements don't really match up...
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On October 30 2010 04:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player On October 30 2010 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity. Who do you think that this other scum running would be? Youngminii didn't propose a campaign, did he? I do agree that it's funny that bum dropped out though... i have a weird feeling about pandain most of the people voting for him aren't giving much reason and he's winning in votes while most of the discussion ITT has been about fishballs candidacy These two statements don't really match up... sure they do in both i said i have a weird gut feeling he is scum, but i have no real logical reason to suspect him. he's a transparent player and if he is elected a scum mayor he will get himself and probably several of his scumbuddies killed in the process. i'd just like to see more enthusiasm/reasoning from his bandwagon
Well they don't quite match up because in the first you're saying you will vote for him even though you find him supicious. In the second you say you find it weird that he has so many votes when most of the discussion has been on Fishball, and you criticize the bandwagon...but you're joining the bandwagon? I don't get your logic.
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On October 30 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:On October 30 2010 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have. having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure. if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple. we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle. now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia playersneutral circle 6 town aligned playersneutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia playersfrom a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue. that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him. How do you identify the one mafia player in a group of 6? You're ignoring the odds in this scenario. Or is there something I'm missing? I'm still not cool with role claiming. It's going to create headaches to sift through countless and infinite role possibilities. It will clutter this thread with nonsense finger-pointing. If anything claiming to Fishball is safer, so then he can direct actions. The town as a whole doesn't need to know what everyone's roles are. Only Fishball needs to know, which then I would see a valid reason for Fishball to take the mayor position. This doesn't "confirm" Fishball, but we would then have to take the risk of electing a possible mafioso. We will know if things aren't looking right by Day 3/4 anyway. ANd as someone already said, Fishball has something we can trace back. He is now accountable for the actions of this "PM Group," if one exists. I need more convincing before I throw a vote on him though. i'm not cool with roleclaiming either, but people in this group should come out. it is otherwise too easy for fishball to lie about this. if we know who is in the circle, we know who has out of game information, we know who to keep an eye on as town. if there are mafia in that circle they will have to play twice as good as they would normally have to play. if the whole circle is mafia, faking it to save fishball, we will likely dominate them and win the game easily do you get where I'm going with this? even if there is only 1 mafia in the circle, we at least confirm there is a circle with townies in it and that is useful information for us. it's not necessarily about finding and killing mafia (it would be lovely, in fact i hope it's all a mafia lie), but it's a win/win scenario for town no matter what happens.
Dr.H, I don't understand you.
You were in full support of Fishball, because the opportunities that can arise from this alleged circle are great. Even in this post, you are supporting the possibilities of the usefulness of this circle. But then you change your vote to Pandain? Why?
Right now, I feel like Fishball is a good candidate. I think the benefits of having him in the circle could very well outweigh the negatives of having a Mayor who can talk in private. However, I will not give him my vote until someone else from the circle steps forward.
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On October 30 2010 04:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:On October 30 2010 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have. having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure. if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple. we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle. now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia playersneutral circle 6 town aligned playersneutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia playersfrom a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue. that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him. How do you identify the one mafia player in a group of 6? You're ignoring the odds in this scenario. Or is there something I'm missing? I'm still not cool with role claiming. It's going to create headaches to sift through countless and infinite role possibilities. It will clutter this thread with nonsense finger-pointing. If anything claiming to Fishball is safer, so then he can direct actions. The town as a whole doesn't need to know what everyone's roles are. Only Fishball needs to know, which then I would see a valid reason for Fishball to take the mayor position. This doesn't "confirm" Fishball, but we would then have to take the risk of electing a possible mafioso. We will know if things aren't looking right by Day 3/4 anyway. ANd as someone already said, Fishball has something we can trace back. He is now accountable for the actions of this "PM Group," if one exists. I need more convincing before I throw a vote on him though. i'm not cool with roleclaiming either, but people in this group should come out. it is otherwise too easy for fishball to lie about this. if we know who is in the circle, we know who has out of game information, we know who to keep an eye on as town. if there are mafia in that circle they will have to play twice as good as they would normally have to play. if the whole circle is mafia, faking it to save fishball, we will likely dominate them and win the game easily do you get where I'm going with this? even if there is only 1 mafia in the circle, we at least confirm there is a circle with townies in it and that is useful information for us. it's not necessarily about finding and killing mafia (it would be lovely, in fact i hope it's all a mafia lie), but it's a win/win scenario for town no matter what happens. Dr.H, I don't understand you. You were in full support of Fishball, because the opportunities that can arise from this alleged circle are great. Even in this post, you are supporting the possibilities of the usefulness of this circle. But then you change your vote to Pandain? Why? Right now, I feel like Fishball is a good candidate. I think the benefits of having him in the circle could very well outweigh the negatives of having a Mayor who can talk in private. However, I will not give him my vote until someone else from the circle steps forward. because mayor can't be rolechecked thats why im not voting for fishball but i can further confirm the possibility that he is town in the night (my role is sorta complex and im just figuring out all of its applications) and i'm considering changing back and putting more pressure on the pandainwagon
Ok, I somewhat understand now, although I don't understand why you felt compelled to switch to the Pandain Train, there is still soooooo much time for vote switching, but whatever.
It's insane mafia, I'm pretty sure everyone's roles are complex 
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And yes, I feel that having a Mayor that can't be role/alignment checked or what have you is very scary.
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On October 30 2010 04:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i remembered incorrectly about youngminii
he bandwagoned fishball NOT bumatlarge
this makes more sense, why would a scumbuddy come to the fake rescue of someone who isn't scum. that gives me more to think about. I'd really really really like a DT to rolecheck fishball. I can only kinda determine whether they may or may not be town and even then it ends up in a bit of a WIFOM situation.
the reason i feel weird about pandain is because his election reminds me a lot of the time when i was elected as scum mayor in my first mafia game and the way its going is very similar to that.
i wish there were more than 2 legitimate candidates that both come off as suspicious to me.
now that youngminii was voting for fishball, I'm less sure. I know youngminii in haunted mafia when he was vampire, he was a smart guy and always explained what he said in vampire chat. he's not the kind who would just say meaningless bullshit if he was town imo
Well I WAS running, but you quickly smited my candidacy cuz I *mocking tone* wasn't good enough for you */mocking tone*.
But I do agree, I wish there were more candidates. To be honest though, every candidate will look suspicious. We will always find a way to criticize the people running.
I'm torn. I want to vote for Fishball because I think I would rather him be mayor than Pandain. However, I don't want to run for Fishball because he will still be able to operate in the circle, and I would really like him to be DT checked.
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On October 30 2010 04:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i'm gonna run for mayor
pandain has a big bandwagon that isn't saying shit about why they are electing him for the most part which is really suspicious
fishball needs to be rolechecked and the scummiest player is on his bandwagon and having him not be mayor makes things easier for town
i think by my posts everyone can see I'm pretty clearly town aligned. I can also roleclaim safely then and I will tell you that I have a very useful role that can help us coordinate to win this game. there is also no chance that i will die as mayor so plague doctors would not need to waste their night action on me and can protect other people
i'm a huge target for my experience and value to the town, why not get me protected so medics can protect somebody. i'd like to see our experienced players survive the night (infundi, ace, bumatlarge, fishball, brownbear, etc.)
Honestly, Dr.H, I'm glad you have decided to run.
You and I both seem to have very similar opinions, and you are more experienced than I.
As of now, you have some support from me. Probationary support, but some support nonetheless. I will not give Pandain my vote, so as of this moment, I will give my vote to either you or Fishball.
Side note: You won't need protection AND you can sort of prove others roles? HOW MANY POWERS DO YOU HAVE?! O_o
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On October 30 2010 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 05:19 Aeres wrote:On October 30 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote:
Need I remind you that I had coordinated blues in that game and was leading the town towards victory until I got shot. Of course, I used less than ideal means, but it worked. A summary of Pandain's role in Haunted Mafia: + Show Spoiler +(For what it's worth, I thought the "yum yum" was cute...) On October 30 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:artanis told me it is possible that people can be converted into a neutral circle (the one fishball talked about) and that masons may be active.
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mason
so they can convert people into their PM circle I guess, passing on the power of PMing. that could be very interesting and it would change the dynamics of my whole gambitsomehow it makes me more suspicious of fishball, but I need to think about it more That seems more like a Cult to me than a group of Masons. artanis said that there could be masons in this game and that people could potentially be converted tot he town circle as far as i know masons do not have a seperate win condition, thats what makes them different than cultists. you retain your alignment when you are converted so to speak
So it is not a "neutral circle"? It is a town-aligned circle? Kinda a big difference.
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On October 30 2010 05:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 05:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 05:19 Aeres wrote:On October 30 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote:
Need I remind you that I had coordinated blues in that game and was leading the town towards victory until I got shot. Of course, I used less than ideal means, but it worked. A summary of Pandain's role in Haunted Mafia: + Show Spoiler +(For what it's worth, I thought the "yum yum" was cute...) On October 30 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:artanis told me it is possible that people can be converted into a neutral circle (the one fishball talked about) and that masons may be active.
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mason
so they can convert people into their PM circle I guess, passing on the power of PMing. that could be very interesting and it would change the dynamics of my whole gambitsomehow it makes me more suspicious of fishball, but I need to think about it more That seems more like a Cult to me than a group of Masons. artanis said that there could be masons in this game and that people could potentially be converted tot he town circle as far as i know masons do not have a seperate win condition, thats what makes them different than cultists. you retain your alignment when you are converted so to speak So it is not a "neutral circle"? It is a town-aligned circle? Kinda a big difference. no, the players alignment doesn't matter. they can pm eachother but each person still has their original win condition so if mafia is in the group they win when mafia wins if town is in the group they win when town wins that group doesn't have a win condition, they aren't a faction so to speak of course the intricacies of what artanis may or may not have planned elude me and the rest of us and it could have its own separate power roles or any manner of crazy shit it could also not even exist
Ah, ok, that makes sense.
And yeah, the uncertainty of everything makes me scared face.
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On October 30 2010 05:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 05:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 05:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 05:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 05:19 Aeres wrote:On October 30 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote:
Need I remind you that I had coordinated blues in that game and was leading the town towards victory until I got shot. Of course, I used less than ideal means, but it worked. A summary of Pandain's role in Haunted Mafia: + Show Spoiler +(For what it's worth, I thought the "yum yum" was cute...) On October 30 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:artanis told me it is possible that people can be converted into a neutral circle (the one fishball talked about) and that masons may be active.
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mason
so they can convert people into their PM circle I guess, passing on the power of PMing. that could be very interesting and it would change the dynamics of my whole gambitsomehow it makes me more suspicious of fishball, but I need to think about it more That seems more like a Cult to me than a group of Masons. artanis said that there could be masons in this game and that people could potentially be converted tot he town circle as far as i know masons do not have a seperate win condition, thats what makes them different than cultists. you retain your alignment when you are converted so to speak So it is not a "neutral circle"? It is a town-aligned circle? Kinda a big difference. no, the players alignment doesn't matter. they can pm eachother but each person still has their original win condition so if mafia is in the group they win when mafia wins if town is in the group they win when town wins that group doesn't have a win condition, they aren't a faction so to speak of course the intricacies of what artanis may or may not have planned elude me and the rest of us and it could have its own separate power roles or any manner of crazy shit it could also not even exist Ah, ok, that makes sense. And yeah, the uncertainty of everything makes me scared face. i think it would be nice to have masons it's really quite simple, you just give people the power to pm over time.
No, I meant the uncertainty of having no idea what's going on in the game, whether or not there is actually a Mason group.
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