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On October 30 2010 04:51 orgolove wrote:Wow, I can't believe Pandain is getting this much support. Even bumatlarge is preferable to his "Yum Yum" crap - need I remind you that Pandain stoops at nothing, even going as far as faking a rolecheck on a blue into mafia, just so he could "lead a circle"? Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 03:04 Pandain wrote:On October 17 2010 03:03 Divinek wrote:
you have a dt who checked jodo and he came back vampire and you think heaven is mafia?
just trying to clear it up so i can pick it apart properly Yes. In addition, it appears the previous sentence referred to the silver instrument specifically as a hammer. keep that in mind. Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 07:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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4. jodogohoo (Grim Reaper) Don't give power to the animal. -_-
Thanks for the biased report on me. I'll have you know that Jodo was playing very scum that game and based on pms with him I was 100% sure he was mafia. Unfortunately, he was just a very poor townie. I don't see where your getting at by this. My true problem in analysis lies in the distinction between poor townies and scum, and besides that I think I'm really starting to improve. And if you didn't like yum yum, you guys just had to say  .
Need I remind you that I had coordinated blues in that game and was leading the town towards victory until I got shot. Of course, I used less than ideal means, but it worked.
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Alright this is pretty bad for town. Alot of people would be alot safer if everyone didn't decide to run for mayor because they need "protection." because honestly, the best protection is secrecy. Now only one of us will win the election, and the rest of us will be sniped off.
Also, Bum, whats with anyone but me? I'd like to hear your reasons instead of just words.
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Also, If I'm mayor and no one claims from Fishball's circle, I will lynch him. Hopefully he's not Village idiot....
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On October 30 2010 06:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
actually it's pretty bad for town to have fewer candidates
Its even worse when several blues run claiming they are important..... since that means they're either mafia or going to get sniped off.
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On October 30 2010 06:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 06:14 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 06:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
actually it's pretty bad for town to have fewer candidates Its even worse when several blues run claiming they are important..... since that means they're either mafia or going to get sniped off. everyone is a blue in this game lol i'm the only candidate aside from node who is claiming to offer 100% proof that I am not mafia when I'm elected, just saying you have offered nothing yet have a huge bandwagon behind you for whatever reason
read my previous post. valuable blue.
I can offer proof as well, albeit it will be somewhat indirect. Are you sure you can offer 100% proof? Why can you not just do it now?
I myself have a valuable role, however I do not roleclaim because I know there's a chance I may lose, and do not want mafia knowing what I have.
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Besides my role I only offer my sincere commitement to this game, and to the town. I will not make decisions lightly, I will ask people for their advice. I know people such as you and Ace and brownbear and such are very expierenced, and I will ask for your advice but take it with cautioun. I will make analysis, and be an active townie.
Alot of you have been saying I'm very transparent and can't lie very well, I guess that's good? At the very least, then I will be easy to spot if mafia. This is why I'm running for mayor.
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sorry still reading but just to adress one vital concern.
I am very proactive. I will help the town, i've already decided what we should do if I'm elected so I might as well share it.
As of now, we need medics protecting several of the valuable blues that claimed to run. Sure, one may be a mafia but most likely the rest will be vital blues. So I think they should RNG between Dr. H, Fishball, and possibly Bum. And If i lose, then take out the winner and add me.
Right now I don't have any active thoughts because really its day 1. Anyone who says they really know whats going on is either mafia or wrong. Sure, you can get lucky every once in a while but unless someone truly scum slips it's going to be mostly a guessing game.
If you've seen any of my games, you'd know I'm very decisive. Anyway, still reading.
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*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1.
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On October 30 2010 10:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1. I can't PM people, your 3rd point is complete bullshit. Just thought I'd point out that the difference between me and fishball is that my coordination will take place out in the open of the thread with complete transparency in every way. I am not part of a circle. Before you said you could maybe indirectly prove you're legit if you're elected. Now you can prove it 100% reliably? Which is it? My whole campaign is about an open discussion and coordination. I'm not acting behind doors but at the same time I'm not vote on whatever the public tells me, mafia control bandwagons and going with the majority every time is poor mayor play. Do you plan on doing the same? Do you have the balls to say the town is wrong on a lynch when it's your head on the chopping block?
What you asked all masons to contact you, not only would that lead to some masons unable to pm other people, but does rely on secret circles. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but really it seems to me relying more on open debate is better, no? Only real purpose pms would be for is if finding out results from other blues.
Well, it doesn't neccesarily mean I'm innocent, but if I'm wrong(very likely chance I would be if a fake), then you guys can lynch me ASAP.
And yes, obviously I'm not just a mascot for the town, I'm a leader as well. When I have an opinion, I will back it up in debate. I will share my opinion, and if other people bring up good points I will back down if I feel they have a good defense.
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On October 30 2010 10:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I need to backtrace and find out who invented the lie that I said anything about secret town circles, operating in pm's, or anything like that.
Not trying to FoS Pandain here but that sounds very mafia implanted to me. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:40 Hyperbola wrote:
It's really pointless for me to vote for myself at this point so I guess I'll vote for Pandain. The other two prime candidates are all discussing secret societies and whatnot, and even though I'm all for those types of roles, I believe the mayor should really be a figurehead for the whole town.
1. It would be really difficult, and not to mention disadvantageous, for the mayor to prove they are a free mason or something along those lines
2. The mayor keeps the rest of the town out of the loop (because there wouldn't be a way to transfer secret data) and therefore causes confusion which can lead to unwarranted bandwagoning.
3. If the mayor dies, how will the circle prove itself to town afterward? After losing all leadership, the town will flop and scum will have it's way with the remains.
And as for Pandain, I have seen his play style from the previous game and think he would make a good mayor. If he turns out to be mafia, and unless he has flawlessly acted out the role, people would notice and he'd be gone in a blink of an eye. well none of those apply for me so why vote for pandain who offers nothing at all? I'm guessing by other two prime candidates he means me and fishball in which case he is lying, because I never brought up secret societies except in relation to fishballs role. So his Second point here is incorrect. Now this misinformation is being parroted by Pandain.
And its this kind of over reaction that we do not need from a mayor. Personally, if you've never played as town I don't know how good you will be if you are one. However, if you are mafia, then I know just how super amazingly funktastic you can be. So either way I don't like it.
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On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:43 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1. I can't PM people, your 3rd point is complete bullshit. Just thought I'd point out that the difference between me and fishball is that my coordination will take place out in the open of the thread with complete transparency in every way. I am not part of a circle. Before you said you could maybe indirectly prove you're legit if you're elected. Now you can prove it 100% reliably? Which is it? My whole campaign is about an open discussion and coordination. I'm not acting behind doors but at the same time I'm not vote on whatever the public tells me, mafia control bandwagons and going with the majority every time is poor mayor play. Do you plan on doing the same? Do you have the balls to say the town is wrong on a lynch when it's your head on the chopping block? What you asked all masons to contact you, not only would that lead to some masons unable to pm other people, but does rely on secret circles. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but really it seems to me relying more on open debate is better, no? Only real purpose pms would be for is if finding out results from other blues. Well, it doesn't neccesarily mean I'm innocent, but if I'm wrong(very likely chance I would be if a fake), then you guys can lynch me ASAP. And yes, obviously I'm not just a mascot for the town, I'm a leader as well. When I have an opinion, I will back it up in debate. I will share my opinion, and if other people bring up good points I will back down if I feel they have a good defense. Okay there are a lot of things wrong with this role. 1. Fishballs circle is not one afaik that can convert. 2. Bumatlarge seems to have the power to give people the power to PM. it is possible he is in fishballs circle and this is his role related to the circle or that over the course of the game he can make a circle of his own. 3. My coordination of the town roles will be done in the open, as that is the best way for my role to do it as I can not reliably rely on becoming part of the town circle. Are you saying that the person who is elected mayor should not be converted into the town circle if such a thing exists? PMs would be useful later in the game for establishing contact with blue roles like DT who may not feel comfortable roleclaiming in public and the ideal voice for them is the mayor, who is immune to night kills. I do not feel comfortable with the idea of the mayor operating entirely in the circle, however I am comfortable with the idea of mayor becoming part of the circle early or later on in the game. Does that make sense? The only way I can reliably coordinate is in the open, which is best for the town. Conversely the town could also benefit from having me in the circle as well but this is far from "operating solely in secret" as you would like to imply.
I think we're being antagnostic just because of the election. I can tell we actually have the same view. I do feel pms can be useful, especially once dt's start checking everyone, but I'm saying we should put an emphasis on debate in the forums rather than in a "divine secret council of pmers". Unless of course they have a dt. But I think we actually both agree on that.
I never implied you were operating soley in secret.
I never was talking about Fishball, was talking about masons.
I never said the person should not be turned into the town circle.
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On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:44 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I need to backtrace and find out who invented the lie that I said anything about secret town circles, operating in pm's, or anything like that.
Not trying to FoS Pandain here but that sounds very mafia implanted to me. On October 30 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:40 Hyperbola wrote:
It's really pointless for me to vote for myself at this point so I guess I'll vote for Pandain. The other two prime candidates are all discussing secret societies and whatnot, and even though I'm all for those types of roles, I believe the mayor should really be a figurehead for the whole town.
1. It would be really difficult, and not to mention disadvantageous, for the mayor to prove they are a free mason or something along those lines
2. The mayor keeps the rest of the town out of the loop (because there wouldn't be a way to transfer secret data) and therefore causes confusion which can lead to unwarranted bandwagoning.
3. If the mayor dies, how will the circle prove itself to town afterward? After losing all leadership, the town will flop and scum will have it's way with the remains.
And as for Pandain, I have seen his play style from the previous game and think he would make a good mayor. If he turns out to be mafia, and unless he has flawlessly acted out the role, people would notice and he'd be gone in a blink of an eye. well none of those apply for me so why vote for pandain who offers nothing at all? I'm guessing by other two prime candidates he means me and fishball in which case he is lying, because I never brought up secret societies except in relation to fishballs role. So his Second point here is incorrect. Now this misinformation is being parroted by Pandain. And its this kind of over reaction that we do not need from a mayor. Personally, if you've never played as town I don't know how good you will be if you are one. However, if you are mafia, then I know just how super amazingly funktastic you can be. So either way I don't like it. So it's an over reaction to point out that a player is saying something is false? OK
Its an overreaction if you haven't read it clearly enough to understand it.
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On October 30 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:44 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I need to backtrace and find out who invented the lie that I said anything about secret town circles, operating in pm's, or anything like that.
Not trying to FoS Pandain here but that sounds very mafia implanted to me. On October 30 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:40 Hyperbola wrote:
It's really pointless for me to vote for myself at this point so I guess I'll vote for Pandain. The other two prime candidates are all discussing secret societies and whatnot, and even though I'm all for those types of roles, I believe the mayor should really be a figurehead for the whole town.
1. It would be really difficult, and not to mention disadvantageous, for the mayor to prove they are a free mason or something along those lines
2. The mayor keeps the rest of the town out of the loop (because there wouldn't be a way to transfer secret data) and therefore causes confusion which can lead to unwarranted bandwagoning.
3. If the mayor dies, how will the circle prove itself to town afterward? After losing all leadership, the town will flop and scum will have it's way with the remains.
And as for Pandain, I have seen his play style from the previous game and think he would make a good mayor. If he turns out to be mafia, and unless he has flawlessly acted out the role, people would notice and he'd be gone in a blink of an eye. well none of those apply for me so why vote for pandain who offers nothing at all? I'm guessing by other two prime candidates he means me and fishball in which case he is lying, because I never brought up secret societies except in relation to fishballs role. So his Second point here is incorrect. Now this misinformation is being parroted by Pandain. And its this kind of over reaction that we do not need from a mayor. Personally, if you've never played as town I don't know how good you will be if you are one. However, if you are mafia, then I know just how super amazingly funktastic you can be. So either way I don't like it. So it's an over reaction to point out that a player is saying something is false? OK Its an overreaction if you haven't read it clearly enough to understand it.
Heck, even the so called "bandwagon" is an overreaction. What, like 5 people voted for me? Including myself? There are 45 people in this game, and people can change their votes obviously that early in the game. Again, be wary and form your own opinions. That is the basis of a good town.
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On October 30 2010 10:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:50 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:43 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1. I can't PM people, your 3rd point is complete bullshit. Just thought I'd point out that the difference between me and fishball is that my coordination will take place out in the open of the thread with complete transparency in every way. I am not part of a circle. Before you said you could maybe indirectly prove you're legit if you're elected. Now you can prove it 100% reliably? Which is it? My whole campaign is about an open discussion and coordination. I'm not acting behind doors but at the same time I'm not vote on whatever the public tells me, mafia control bandwagons and going with the majority every time is poor mayor play. Do you plan on doing the same? Do you have the balls to say the town is wrong on a lynch when it's your head on the chopping block? What you asked all masons to contact you, not only would that lead to some masons unable to pm other people, but does rely on secret circles. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but really it seems to me relying more on open debate is better, no? Only real purpose pms would be for is if finding out results from other blues. Well, it doesn't neccesarily mean I'm innocent, but if I'm wrong(very likely chance I would be if a fake), then you guys can lynch me ASAP. And yes, obviously I'm not just a mascot for the town, I'm a leader as well. When I have an opinion, I will back it up in debate. I will share my opinion, and if other people bring up good points I will back down if I feel they have a good defense. Okay there are a lot of things wrong with this role. 1. Fishballs circle is not one afaik that can convert. 2. Bumatlarge seems to have the power to give people the power to PM. it is possible he is in fishballs circle and this is his role related to the circle or that over the course of the game he can make a circle of his own. 3. My coordination of the town roles will be done in the open, as that is the best way for my role to do it as I can not reliably rely on becoming part of the town circle. Are you saying that the person who is elected mayor should not be converted into the town circle if such a thing exists? PMs would be useful later in the game for establishing contact with blue roles like DT who may not feel comfortable roleclaiming in public and the ideal voice for them is the mayor, who is immune to night kills. I do not feel comfortable with the idea of the mayor operating entirely in the circle, however I am comfortable with the idea of mayor becoming part of the circle early or later on in the game. Does that make sense? The only way I can reliably coordinate is in the open, which is best for the town. Conversely the town could also benefit from having me in the circle as well but this is far from "operating solely in secret" as you would like to imply. I think we're being antagnostic just because of the election. I can tell we actually have the same view. I do feel pms can be useful, especially once dt's start checking everyone, but I'm saying we should put an emphasis on debate in the forums rather than in a "divine secret council of pmers". Unless of course they have a dt. But I think we actually both agree on that. I never implied you were operating soley in secret. I never was talking about Fishball, was talking about masons. I never said the person should not be turned into the town circle. I agree. I know you never said the person should not be turned into the circle, that's why I asked you the question, Pandain. Because I wanted to know your stance. Why so defensive there? You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1. What I highlighted is the bullshit part where you are implying I will do exactly that. Do you retract that statement? It seems pretty obvious what it is implying. Or did you somehow mean the opposite of what you said?
Again, you are pulling a rabbit out of a hat when there simply was no rabbit to begin with. I never said you were SOLEY operating in secret, I was under the impression you would rely upon masons and pms with them. Obviously I have stated we are apparently under the same stance.
Besides that, and even still we disagree a little, I do not retract my statement. Do you?
And what question? I'll happily answer any question.
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On October 30 2010 10:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:shit i forgot to add this part to my above post Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:44 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I need to backtrace and find out who invented the lie that I said anything about secret town circles, operating in pm's, or anything like that.
Not trying to FoS Pandain here but that sounds very mafia implanted to me. On October 30 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:40 Hyperbola wrote:
It's really pointless for me to vote for myself at this point so I guess I'll vote for Pandain. The other two prime candidates are all discussing secret societies and whatnot, and even though I'm all for those types of roles, I believe the mayor should really be a figurehead for the whole town.
1. It would be really difficult, and not to mention disadvantageous, for the mayor to prove they are a free mason or something along those lines
2. The mayor keeps the rest of the town out of the loop (because there wouldn't be a way to transfer secret data) and therefore causes confusion which can lead to unwarranted bandwagoning.
3. If the mayor dies, how will the circle prove itself to town afterward? After losing all leadership, the town will flop and scum will have it's way with the remains.
And as for Pandain, I have seen his play style from the previous game and think he would make a good mayor. If he turns out to be mafia, and unless he has flawlessly acted out the role, people would notice and he'd be gone in a blink of an eye. well none of those apply for me so why vote for pandain who offers nothing at all? I'm guessing by other two prime candidates he means me and fishball in which case he is lying, because I never brought up secret societies except in relation to fishballs role. So his Second point here is incorrect. Now this misinformation is being parroted by Pandain. And its this kind of over reaction that we do not need from a mayor. Personally, if you've never played as town I don't know how good you will be if you are one. However, if you are mafia, then I know just how super amazingly funktastic you can be. So either way I don't like it. So it's an over reaction to point out that a player is saying something is false? OK Its an overreaction if you haven't read it clearly enough to understand it. You could correct me instead of saying something so vague. He is saying he is voting for you instead of the other two prime candidates which I take to refer to myself and fishball. If that is indeed the case, my point still stands.
I'm not talking about that, sorry if I was unclear. I'm reffering to the fact you seemed to place a special emphasis on masons, but again, I think we're really of the same opinion here.
As for the supposed bandwagon....I feel they gave sufficient reasons to warrant an early vote(and its a changeable vote). Afraid of fishball's circle having mafia, saying I'm apparently very transparent, and so forth.
Alright, more posts.
On October 30 2010 11:06 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:50 Pandain wrote:
but I'm saying we should put an emphasis on debate in the forums rather than in a "divine secret council of pmers".
I know it's not directed at me, but I'm just quoting your post since you're the latest one to say something similar. Seems like a lot of people are getting this impression of the circle, which I've explained quite a few times, that's not exactly what I will make it to be. With DT checks viable to the Mayor, I even offered to kill myself and release as much information to the public to prove it. (Seeing that many other information have sunk into the vast ocean of posts, this is not surprising) It's also quite amusing, most of the people that argue against the "crazy secrecy of the circle", or just me in general "not being transparent" etc., never brings up these posts I've said. Keep in mind I was the first one to come up with such a claim. Fake or not, that's not the point and is for another debate, but I AM being transparent here.
Here's the thing, I don't see why you have to be mayor for this circle if you have medic protection. I've already said I think the circle is a very good thing to have and we should use it to our advantage, but focusing around that will be very hard since there's a chance there might not be any mafia at all! What, are we going to check all 6 people? That's going to take way too long. I'm just confused about how you would go about that, if you could clarify.
On October 30 2010 11:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 11:01 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:50 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:43 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1. I can't PM people, your 3rd point is complete bullshit. Just thought I'd point out that the difference between me and fishball is that my coordination will take place out in the open of the thread with complete transparency in every way. I am not part of a circle. Before you said you could maybe indirectly prove you're legit if you're elected. Now you can prove it 100% reliably? Which is it? My whole campaign is about an open discussion and coordination. I'm not acting behind doors but at the same time I'm not vote on whatever the public tells me, mafia control bandwagons and going with the majority every time is poor mayor play. Do you plan on doing the same? Do you have the balls to say the town is wrong on a lynch when it's your head on the chopping block? What you asked all masons to contact you, not only would that lead to some masons unable to pm other people, but does rely on secret circles. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but really it seems to me relying more on open debate is better, no? Only real purpose pms would be for is if finding out results from other blues. Well, it doesn't neccesarily mean I'm innocent, but if I'm wrong(very likely chance I would be if a fake), then you guys can lynch me ASAP. And yes, obviously I'm not just a mascot for the town, I'm a leader as well. When I have an opinion, I will back it up in debate. I will share my opinion, and if other people bring up good points I will back down if I feel they have a good defense. Okay there are a lot of things wrong with this role. 1. Fishballs circle is not one afaik that can convert. 2. Bumatlarge seems to have the power to give people the power to PM. it is possible he is in fishballs circle and this is his role related to the circle or that over the course of the game he can make a circle of his own. 3. My coordination of the town roles will be done in the open, as that is the best way for my role to do it as I can not reliably rely on becoming part of the town circle. Are you saying that the person who is elected mayor should not be converted into the town circle if such a thing exists? PMs would be useful later in the game for establishing contact with blue roles like DT who may not feel comfortable roleclaiming in public and the ideal voice for them is the mayor, who is immune to night kills. I do not feel comfortable with the idea of the mayor operating entirely in the circle, however I am comfortable with the idea of mayor becoming part of the circle early or later on in the game. Does that make sense? The only way I can reliably coordinate is in the open, which is best for the town. Conversely the town could also benefit from having me in the circle as well but this is far from "operating solely in secret" as you would like to imply. I think we're being antagnostic just because of the election. I can tell we actually have the same view. I do feel pms can be useful, especially once dt's start checking everyone, but I'm saying we should put an emphasis on debate in the forums rather than in a "divine secret council of pmers". Unless of course they have a dt. But I think we actually both agree on that. I never implied you were operating soley in secret. I never was talking about Fishball, was talking about masons. I never said the person should not be turned into the town circle. I agree. I know you never said the person should not be turned into the circle, that's why I asked you the question, Pandain. Because I wanted to know your stance. Why so defensive there? You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument. On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1. What I highlighted is the bullshit part where you are implying I will do exactly that. Do you retract that statement? It seems pretty obvious what it is implying. Or did you somehow mean the opposite of what you said? Again, you are pulling a rabbit out of a hat when there simply was no rabbit to begin with. I never said you were SOLEY operating in secret, I was under the impression you would rely upon masons and pms with them. Obviously I have stated we are apparently under the same stance. Besides that, and even still we disagree a little, I do not retract my statement. Do you? And what question? I'll happily answer any question. You did not say I was solely operating in secret. But I still don't like the fact that you tried to lump me in with Fishball in the "secret society non transperancy" boat when I never said/did anything to put myself in that boat in the first place. I've said several times throughout the thread that I would do my coordination in the open, maybe you skimmed over what I said? If you don't even know my platform, don't call me out on non existent problems with it please. So, no I don't retract my statement. The question I asked you was "do you think it is a bad idea for mayor to be converted into the circle" you then answered it by playing it off as though I had accused you of saying it was a bad idea, when I did no such thing. So even though there is no basis for the idea that I will operate in secret and be non-transparent, you refuse to retract the statement that I will operate in secret and be non-transparent. Interesting pandain, very interesting.
Besides that, and even still we disagree a little, I do not retract my statement.
I have in that one regard. And let's see what I said
"Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated". Not "IS GOING TO BE GOING OFF OF ONLY SECRET CIRLCES" but that you seem to place an emphasis on that. Do you doubt that a pm circle which grows each night has a growing chance each night of mafia inflitration? Then what use is the circle at all! I noted you and fishball have a similar problem, but the problem/situation itself is different.
If you look, I have answered pretty much every single thing you keep asking. I've already said mayors should obviously be involved in town circles, I'm saying we should not RELY on them. Ver backs me up on this too, go read his town guide.
The more you keep trying to pick at straws the more scummy you seem to me, if not others. If you are townie, be careful if you continue to attempt to continue attacking me, it will hurt your campaign.
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then again, you can compare it with when dr. h quoted me. So no differences!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Me:
I've already said mayors should obviously be involved in town circles
Dr: H
You also just said it could be very useful for the mayor to be in such a circle and now you say "what use is the circle at all!"
Dr: H(previous)
You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument.
Dr. H(after)
You did not say I was solely operating in secret
I want DTS checking Dr. H, at the very least if he's mafia it will force them to elect him godfather(which would probably be the best move anyway)
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On October 30 2010 11:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 11:25 Pandain wrote:Me:I've already said mayors should obviously be involved in town circles Dr: H You also just said it could be very useful for the mayor to be in such a circle and now you say "what use is the circle at all!"
Dr: H(previous)You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument. Dr. H(after)You did not say I was solely operating in secret I want DTS checking Dr. H, at the very least if he's mafia it will force them to elect him godfather(which would probably be the best move anyway) Good job pointing out nothing again Pandain. I am saying you implied I was operating solely in secret. I quoted bolded and red'd the part where you implied that (to my interpretation). I never ever once said you literally used the same words. This is bad wordplay and it does nothing but discredit me for no reason It seems like you are trying to say "the circle is a good thing and should be taken advantage of" and "the circle is a bad thing and should be feared" at the same time. Your rhetoric throughout the game seems to me to be emphasizing the latter.
In case you are arguing because you are confused by what I mean, since it seems you are wholly misinterpeting and twisting my words, I will explain
Yes,the circle is a good thing. It is an incredible asset to town and should be used wisely. However, it is also to be feared. A circle is not a group of confirmed townies, in this game it is merely a group of people who can pm(since only Dr. H would be confirmed.)
Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well. But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. I know your very expierenced and beast as mafia but as of now your arguments just don't have substance. Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. Pms and town circles in this game imo should only be used for stuff a blue can't say in thread or risk being killed(aka dt checks and finds scum.) Besides that, it is wholly unconfirmed.
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On October 30 2010 11:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 11:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:25 Pandain wrote:Me:I've already said mayors should obviously be involved in town circles Dr: H You also just said it could be very useful for the mayor to be in such a circle and now you say "what use is the circle at all!"
Dr: H(previous)You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument. Dr. H(after)You did not say I was solely operating in secret I want DTS checking Dr. H, at the very least if he's mafia it will force them to elect him godfather(which would probably be the best move anyway) Good job pointing out nothing again Pandain. I am saying you implied I was operating solely in secret. I quoted bolded and red'd the part where you implied that (to my interpretation). I never ever once said you literally used the same words. This is bad wordplay and it does nothing but discredit me for no reason It seems like you are trying to say "the circle is a good thing and should be taken advantage of" and "the circle is a bad thing and should be feared" at the same time. Your rhetoric throughout the game seems to me to be emphasizing the latter. In case you are arguing because you are confused by what I mean, since it seems you are wholly misinterpeting and twisting my words, I will explain Yes,the circle is a good thing. It is an incredible asset to town and should be used wisely. However, it is also to be feared. A circle is not a group of confirmed townies, in this game it is merely a group of people who can pm(since only Dr. H would be confirmed.) Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well. But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. I know your very expierenced and beast as mafia but as of now your arguments just don't have substance. Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. Pms and town circles in this game imo should only be used for stuff a blue can't say in thread or risk being killed(aka dt checks and finds scum.) Besides that, it is wholly unconfirmed. OK, so you don't think it's useless. KK "Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well." Nope, my role has a second ability which can be used to coordinate blue action and stop the plague. That helps the town immensely. But do you need to be mayor? So this point is irrelevant " But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. " As opposed to a non existent third option? Ya, theres no third party, I've explained why earlier "Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. " You're doing the same thing NB is doing. You're basically saying "Dr.H is no good as a townie" when I have never been a townie in the past. So I assume you are basing that in my scumhunting in this game and I can't say I agree. Mind telling me what targets are better? I don't know if your no good as townie. I do know that I'm not mafia(lol what good is saying that though :p) so your off there. I'll post analysis tommorow on people. Hopefuly we get more posts by then. " And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. " Do it.I believe the same thing about myself.
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