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Things not to do while I'm away; 1.Roleclaim to others 2.Majority lynch already yum yum yum panda finished | ||
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1.Town may actually be the best off at winning at this game. Why is this? Both of the red teams have victory conditions which only require the other enemy red team dead. Aka, vampires want mafia dead and mafia want vampires dead. The only problem is that Town needs to outnumber the vampires/mafia by the end. What does this mean? Both red teams will be aiming for one another. Town should further that as much as possible. I am willing to be a go to man for any information a blue has. I will reveal it in thread, while letting the blue remain safe. Therefore, if I am lied to, I can reveal who it is, and if I lie, then we have a 50/50 chance at an anti town role, which is far better than what we have now. The funny thing is even if I was mafia, I would be attempting to get you to kill the vampires/mafia. Note that in the scenario I am mafia/vampires, you wouldn't know my role, so I'd feel no threat from you. I'm leaving this open for suggestion, however. 2.Tonight we should have the mad scientist analyze the clue for the "knives in every direction" thing. We shouldn't analyze whether that is actually a clue relating to one specific person since we have a couple of guesses. Or, on the contrary, if we lynch Vendril then we might check something else, I have to see all the roles and everything. I'll look them over. 3. Try not to spam, if you want to answer something you can just pm them rather than clutter up the thread. I'm guilty of that alot so do what I say, not what I do. :p 4. Clues should be used as support for a lynch, not as the evidence. Clues by their very nature are very interpative, and should be taken lightly. If you have a good read on someone, you can be like "Hey, this clue could also point to him!" Of course, in situations such as day 1 when we don't really have that much to go on, clues will take a much bigger role. But this is something to keep in mind. A related note to that is if you think a clue can point to someone, look if it can point to anyone else as well. Too often townies can become blinded to one piece of evidence and stuck on one person and fail to realize it can point to someone else as well. I do think the Jack O lantern is a clue, and in addition will give us much information based on how people reacted to Masq's lynch(?). For example, if Masq is mafia, and if The Mad Scientist turns up anything, then we have another sure hit. | ||
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1.We have a more direct clue and more obvious towards him 2.If Masq is town, that lends a whole bunch of credibility towards Veldril And what information do we gain from lynching Veldril? We don't even know if Masq is town/mafia if veldril is town, since Townies make mistakes and defend the wrong people all the time. But if we lynch Masq, we gain info on all the people who defended him and accused him based on his role. Masq is a better lynch than veldril. | ||
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On October 12 2010 05:14 jcarlsoniv wrote: All we have on Masq is the jack-o-lantern clue, and that he was happy when Veldril defended him. Veldril, on the other hand, has defended Masq, tried to deflect focus, has been very outspoken, evaded suspicion, etc. I believe that Veldril is the more dangerous one of the two, and, as such, should be removed. And if Masq turns out to be town, then Veldril will come out looking very pro town, no? What's bad with an outspoken person anyway, gives more of a chance for slip ups. This whole post really gives nothing on "why" veldril is mafia. I want someone to give me a good paragraph or more why Veldril is mafia without using the reason "Because Masq is mafia and he defended him". Right now town needs to rely on logic, and intuition. A mob that does whatever's "the right thing" right now(aka, popular lynch) will not last long. Unfortunately, Masq hasn't done anything to help himself at all. All of his posts have been defending his picture, and they haven't been good either. I'm unsure right now. But what makes me really intrigued is how vehement BM is in wanting to get him lynched. Bill Murray, wouldn't lynching Masq be a better choice, since we will find more info and know if Veldril is mafia/town(at least a better chance of it, nothings certain.) | ||
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yum yum even if i was scum it would only help town because I would be aiming towards other enemy team yum yum yum yum can help prevent future occurences where somebody claims vet so red can't just fake it yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum dts shouldn't unless they check me and find me sufficently pro town that im not godfather or something like that yum yum yum yum yum yum yum medics can, but if im mafia/vampires I will of course give them semi bad advice yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum same with mad hatter since I wouldn't want to get my own team lynched if im red yum yum yum likey? + Show Spoiler + please don't post like this  | ||
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On October 12 2010 06:43 jcarlsoniv wrote: Haha, look at jodo, policing the clutter now =P Town does need the blues to do something though. We need some information tonight, and we need to protect our most vulnerable/valuable. I am more than willing to help coordinate blues if they want me to. No one do that. remember, dts and medics will be given bad advice if jcarlsoniv is mafia/vampires, and thus will be hindered That's why I in fact only asked vets to claim, and if they claimed to even more, its possible they won't even have a chance to be hit at all if we are both different scum teams. the yum yum says no | ||
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On October 12 2010 06:49 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't disagree with Pandain, I'm just trying to help out. It is important to find a lynch target, but equally, if not more important to make sure our blues are being used well. Sorry to step on your toes Pandain, you can handle that. And whos to say you will help them use it well? Who's to say you're not mafia, leading the Medic to protect their own scum. Or even an innocent townie who gives bad advice. If you really want to help blues, tell them what they should be doing. Like this: Dts: check suscipcious people, active people, vets, Medics: protect people who you think will get hit, especially pro town seeming ones, and me n.n Vets: try to soak up hits, pretend as other blues. Mad hatter: place carefully. If you really have a good read place it on them. + Show Spoiler + yum yum goes to play sc2 yum yum | ||
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Well, I think we should keep his things hidden. I think he should only share with a select group so theres a chance the mafia/vampires won't know. I obviously nominate me. | ||
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On October 12 2010 08:05 aztrorisk wrote: DoctorH can you please read the witch description: Witch - You are a master of black magic and studied for centuries in the town of Liquidvania. Even the people of Liquidvania who are accepting to monsters despise you and you have since taken up working for the mafia. Once during the night you can PM me the name of a player to curse, preventing them from taking action during the night. You cannot curse the same player twice in a row and you can not curse vampires as they are already cursed and you also cannot curse someone being haunted by a ghost. Since you mentioned that the witch can't curse someone haunted by the ghost, I decided to reveal my identity or else I would've kept it a secret. Can you just let this rule come into effect only for tonight as a fair compromise? No its alright. We got this shizzle snit. Anyway vampire brute was the flaw to your plan. Look it up. | ||
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I will be coordinating where the bombers will place their bombs, if anyone wants to help they can pm me. However, I will be attempting to keep the bombings a secret so that mafia don't know when its a safe time to kill aztrorisk. If anyone wants to help, they can PM me, but they will not know the results of where the bombs will be. Is that understood? Also, if DT's feel comfortable in me during any time in the future they can PM me their roles so bombs will not be placed on them(to avoid a catastrphe like in BM's game where like 6 people died). However, I would suggest not checking me today, as Vampire brute could kill everyone. | ||
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On October 12 2010 09:58 YummyBlaBla wrote: How do you know you're not mafia/vampire!??!?!!? well for one I know. two because I already know who both of them are. And I'm going to make sure, at the very least, they don't overlap. Regardless, even if i was mafia/vampire i would be trying to go for the other team, but with more info. So actually Mafia/Vampire Pandain would be better equipped for this than regular Pandain. | ||
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On October 12 2010 10:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: Care to share what it is? we all say our role and then mafia picks us off one by one | ||
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I'll post tommorow with an actualy content filled post | ||
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possible clues in profile include: "Break every bone in your face" bashed his skull to pieces "The cooler weather makes me unspeakably happy..." e tall figure laughed maniacally Note Qatol also died at midnight, so of course he would laugh manically since its cooler weather. his album in his profile is by a finnish death metal band. The second song is called "songs of the storm." this is only semi plausible. "Can you hear it? The wind is speaking. It's telling me to do bad things. Very bad things." i really think thats a clue, i don't know whether it relates to him though. I think mad scientist should check whether that is a clue. "A coffin made of your deceptions" there are numerous references to the "oh my gosh, my mind are playing tricks on me", and then they end up dead. Also his only post is useless, as he just gathers up the posts of a person. On October 12 2010 19:29 HeavOnEarth wrote: Wow after reading the thread I am thoroughly convinced we may have a mafia/vampire kill on day 1- Veldril. Nice work spotting him Bill + Show Spoiler [veldril's posts] + On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote: Reporting in. Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not. Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible. On October 11 2010 15:03 Veldril wrote: Hey, he's killed by a dagger not sword, lol. And if you buy enough knives then you can literally pierce a person at every spot. On October 11 2010 15:08 Veldril wrote: Actually this is from his younger self one. But in this game I would like to be the one in my profile picture more, lol. On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote: Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote: I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. On October 11 2010 15:40 Veldril wrote: Oh and by Mafia/Vampire deflecting blame in the first point of my previous post is that if they are lucky, they could kill other side too. For Mafia/Vampire, I think they don't care much about who dies in the first couple of days/nights as long as it's not on their side. Townie dies mean they have less choice to make in the next cycle and if they can force townie to vote to kill the other side, then that would make them even have more profit. Oh and I don't say that Masq is surely not a killer. I just think we need to look further for other clues too before accusing him solely. But he's one of the suspects though. (Maybe I need a ghost in the first night ).On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote: Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? On October 12 2010 00:46 Veldril wrote: Oh and Bill, I concluded that you are experienced player because you participated in many Mafia game before. You even hosted a game. I checked your post history. On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote: After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. On October 12 2010 03:14 Veldril wrote: Oh yeah, I miscounted and forgot about that. Thanks for a reminder and correction. On October 12 2010 03:50 Veldril wrote: You can accuse me as much as you like. That doesn't refute my point I made earlier about you. Oh and nice about forcing Aztorisk to vote me by publishing the PM. On October 12 2010 04:00 Veldril wrote: type (blue) message (/blue) but replacing () with [] Example: blue green red On October 12 2010 04:07 Veldril wrote: Hmmm, fair enough. You have your points spoken and that's fine for me. Well, maybe I jumped my conclusion that "experienced player = player familiar with logic" so if that's not true then my argument would be unsound. But since we really don't know is it true or not, we could just left it for others to decide. On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote: Deconduo has posted once. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=17#327 On October 12 2010 04:30 Veldril wrote: Ah I see, seems to miss your post. Anyway, off to sleep now since it's night here in Asia. On October 12 2010 19:02 Veldril wrote: It seems most people are out for my blood now. I feel like now when I try to defend or propose something up, most people will come up with even more excuses to vote me. It seems I really made a grudge with Bill Murray, since he's the most vocal to get me killed. I don't really understand why you would want me to get lynched so badly. I would shift a vote off you if you have explain the reason why do you think "defending others" would mean "Red defends Red". Also, I feel that either me or Masq get lynched, it would not be a good situation for Townie or me at all. If Masq get lynched and turn out to be red, people would still suspect me and that could hurt townie since they would spend their focus on me being red and I would still get fried. If Masq turn out to be green, I don't think some people will let me go free without discrediting me, therefore I could not make impact in the future day/night. However, if I get lynched today, it would be a game over. It may seems cowardice but I will have to vote for Masq to save myself. I just wish that Masq indeed turns out to be green. claims hes thoroughly convinced we MAY have a mafia/vamp. What kind of sentence is that? Also tries to indirectly gain town cred for Bill, who I'm suscipcious of because he always seems scummy to me and the numerous references to drunkeness in the day post. Compare that with his quote: "Sobriety is a sin whose destruction ought be perused without abandon." | ||
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On October 13 2010 06:59 zerroth wrote: These clues of the murder and his profile picture are a bit meh. I do have to agree that some stuff sounds reasonable but compared to some other people's connection of a murder to their profile page (most notably masq) it doesnt really compare up. In my view, Bill is like some drunkard whose trying to spice up the game. He doesnt have any direct clue and profile page connection yet though. I don't really think much of Bill because he is so wishy washy. one moment he defends himself, the other he accuses and votes on some random reason. pffffft there can be red herrings. I know I've red some games where hosts put in some obvious red herrings. In my view we should just have the mad scientist check whether that actually IS a clue, because if it is, we got an almost certain lynch. Because right now it just seems too obvious, and we can always lynch him later. @host: If, supposedly, there is a red herring, would it show up as a clue anyway? Everyone vote heaven on earth. I think he's really the only good "lynch" today. Either that or Masq, because from there we find out alot on Veldril anyway. But I would prefer Heaven on Earth over masq because we can find out whether the jack o lantern i sactually a clue or not. also what im being accused? of what? | ||
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On October 13 2010 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There may or may not be deliberately misleading information in day posts. The mad scientist is the only role able to confirm whether or not a section of the day post contains a legitimate clue or not. I want everyone who voted Veldril to change their vote ASAP unless they pm me a reason, or state so in thread. I'd prefer Masq do to. We got this. However, stay on until the end would be preffered in the unlikely case we don't have enough time | ||
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On October 13 2010 08:19 NB wrote: why-should-we-trust-you? you are in almost "everysingle" inspecting list that people listed out.... ~_~ also, the post that i mead earlier about 30 reapers and 1 ghost, please treat it as a joke instead of a role claim post. I did put some thought b4 i post that one ^^ that argument can be used for everything. Tell me a reason why or stay silent. Remember: I spam when I want things done. | ||
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On October 13 2010 08:58 youngminii wrote: Why Veldril must die. + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2010 00:56 youngminii wrote: Your argument consists of the following: "People already think I'm mafia so no matter what I say/argue, people will think I'm saying that because I'm mafia". We are not idiots, there are people here that have been playing mafia for years. If you actually posted something of value as your defense, we may be swayed in our decision to lynch you. Instead, you act like you've already given up and that you have no defense. I'm sure everyone has a friend that never apologizes and instead says "well what do you want me to do, I can't do anything about it" instead of a simple "sorry". This is what you are doing and as such, I want everyone to vote for and lynch you. If you aren't scum then at least we've made an example of you as WHAT NOT TO DO. + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote: What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril. so your argument is: Masq is not defending himself, therefore he is not scum. Veldril is, therefore he is scum. Please clarify this for me. | ||
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On October 13 2010 09:07 annul wrote: masq is scum veldril is scum the entire debate is whether it is smarter to vote veldril or masq tonight. who is more dangerous to keep alive. most who view it like this will say veldril. This is a horrible way of looking at it. Let's see whats wrong with this. 1.You assume both are scum. Whats wrong: How is this certain? Or one could argue, likely. Just because Masq got defended by Veldril does not mean they are on the same team. It may lend credence to that, but the point remains certain we do not know which team: town or scum. If you think both are scum it doesn't matter, that's not the point. The point is that we don't know the alignments of EITHER of them for certain. 2. "The entire debate is whether it is smarter to vote veldril or masq tonight.. who is more dangerous to keep alive. Most people who view it like this will say Veldril Whats wrong: First of all, it would be worse to vote Veldril because from voting Masq we gleam vital info on Veldril, while the vise versa does not(aka, we will not gain that much info from lynching Veldril.) And as for smarter, why, wouldn't the clue for Masq be more obvious and evident than the clue for Veldril, and that clue can honestly apply for many people. The contrary does not hold up towards Masq, that clue can really only point towards him. As for voting who is more dangerous, thats a stupid reason. We could always vote Ver because he's never lost a game(I think), but then we could lose a very helpful pro town person. Who's to say whos dangerous, how do you decide that. Usually that indicates a higher skill, but then thats worse for town if they're pro town and lynched. Please, people, think logically. | ||
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On October 13 2010 09:26 annul wrote: you are not going to fix blatant lies? grats, well done, your input is worthless. and pandain: masq is scum because of the clue on night 0. how this is even a point of contention is beyond me. veldril is scum due to his actions in this thread all game. in fact, veldril himself is BLATANTLY referred to by the night 0 clue. the fate stay night quote, "unlimited blade works" is, to me, just as obvious as masq's pear jack o lantern night 0 clue. . On October 13 2010 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There may or may not be deliberately misleading information in day posts. The mad scientist is the only role able to confirm whether or not a section of the day post contains a legitimate clue or not. Also note that the blades clue can be taken towards many people, even kingjames for his signature(something like "I walk on unlimited swords" or something | ||
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On October 13 2010 09:30 orgolove wrote: I fixed both. And you're right, Pandein, just like Bill Murray, continues to avoid answering questions about their true allegiances. What the fadoodle are you talking about. I've asked many times what I'm being accused of, and the best I've gotten is "your an endangered species"(<3 quickstriker) And you've been on my scum list for a lil' bit now, orgo. Originally I thought you were very pro town with that spreadsheet but it has many errors, and has a noticable bias in it. Albeit if you're really looking to help, is there a way to send me that list, but without all your info? Only the names and clues and stuff. Also, related to masq and vendril. Defending someone is much more revealing than the person whos getting defended. Aka, mafia could defend me, but I could be town and they're just trying to get pro town points. Or they could be accusing me for their own game. They could do either. However, a person who is GETTING defended is more revealing. If they are mafia, we know mafia wouldn't just continue the brigade on that(most likely, especially if they are a top contender) If they are town, then people who accused them should be looked at with suscipion and people who defended them(thus helping stop bandwagon) are good. Ci? Yum yum | ||
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On October 13 2010 09:38 youngminii wrote: If anyone ever PMs you a counter argument to one of your arguments in the thread, ignore it, tell the person to post it in the thread and if they don't do it, quote it in the thread yourself. Do not ever let someone take a public discussion/argument and turn it into a private one. Business Socks(BS). It helps stop Spam. You can post a question raised up into the thread, but this just gives cover for mafia to ignore pms and tell them to post in thread, when someone may be asking you something personally. | ||
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On October 13 2010 11:29 Bill Murray wrote: I need to start a town circle I have decided this I am willing to accept any roleclaims I have to step up to coordinate the town, since noone else will No one do this. | ||
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On October 13 2010 11:30 Bill Murray wrote: shut the fuck up let them decide on their own we need a town circle Sure, a town circle that's going to be heavily inflitrated? Great. You have no way of verifying anything, and the town circle will be useless. All that might happen is Mafia/vamps are able to inflitrate it, mislead all the blues, and chaos ensues. Its only day 1 for panda's sake. Not even night yet. | ||
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On October 13 2010 11:32 Bill Murray wrote: no that's what you tried to do when you tried to get hatters to claim to you how is it any fucking different you damn hypocrite its different because I didn't ask hatters to claim to me. I asked vets too, because no matter what my role is it would only really help the town. A bomber claimed to me. Also, I didn't ask the DTs or medics or vigi or anything else to. I asked the vets in specific. You want to set up a whole open town circle, that everyone will know about. You know it will be inflitrated, and theres no way of you revealing who it is without sacrificing all the blues. Leave it until another day. | ||
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On October 13 2010 11:35 Bill Murray wrote: we only have an hour and a half before night we need to coordinate we need to start a town circle we need a leader, and that leader is me we need me to step up to the plate, but you all have to let me do this Its day 1, we don't need a mafia telling all of our blues what to do day 1, especially if its somebody I heavily suspect as scum. | ||
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On October 13 2010 11:36 Bill Murray wrote: pm me your roles if you are town, please i will make a list and will try to help i made a very good list when i was a ninja in flamewheel's last game, helping the town sure, i wasn't pro-town that game, but i am this game there is not much else i can do to help help me help you DO NOT ROLECLAIM TO BM. | ||
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On October 13 2010 11:39 Bill Murray wrote: what? oh, you're scared to claim? can you all just trust me... this one time... lets win for the town i wouldn't care so much if you all didn't need this help you all really, really, really suck at mafia for the most part you all make me look good, and i'm fucking terrible at mafia So you, who you say is "fucking terrible at mafia", want to help the blues? And you're asking for their trust on....faith? Please, realize how stupid that is. | ||
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On October 13 2010 11:40 Bill Murray wrote: pandain go crawl back into your hole Calm down dude. Realize this isn't a good plan, and start thinking for the future. Don't make rash decisions. | ||
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On October 13 2010 11:45 Bill Murray wrote: i now know 3 peoples roles.. unless they are lying Problems with BM's plan: 1. Unverified blues Right now anyone could fake claim blue, get into the circle, and mafia have all the info they need. Mafia have even more information, will take out DTs(the only real threats to themselves, along with possibly medics), manipulate the other blue's for their own ends/people who are starting to target them. 2. BM could be mafia. Read above, now he's definitely the one giving bad advice. 3.It's BM. I'm sorry man, but your not exactly the best one here. | ||
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1.Your not good. Your not logical. You are by far not the best one here. In my opinion, I am better than you. Bumatlarge is better than you. Perhaps even LSB is better than you(certainly more logical.) Please, just because you have more "expierence" doesn't make you good. | ||
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On October 13 2010 11:52 Bill Murray wrote: "your" your grammar makes you not better than me I have a near-mensa level I.Q. you are like 15 you are WAY worse than me in terms of night actions and coordination sorry to burst your bubble, kid bumatlarge is weak LSB is way too theory-based to get anyone lynched, and is a terrible voter, as seen when i raped him in Hesmyrr's game. Sorry, kid, you're wrong 1.I'm not the one asking every single blue(possibly even townies) to claim to me based on "faith" 2.I'm not the one who's famous for being "village idiot every game." 3.This game alone, you've made several huge failings. From being "certain" that veldril is mafia, to changing to like 5 other people,changing to masq, AND THEN CHANGING TO VELDIL AGAIN with this reason: i am voting him because masq is a fucking newbie who is worthless, while vendril made a terrible pm someone shared with me which pretty much means he's mafia from my perspective . And I asked you for the pm and you said "suck my balls." I'm sorry, I cannot trust a person like that. And how can YOU even trust that person. Add to that you accused me of rolefishing to you when I did no such thing. I have no idea where you think some things you come up with. Please back down, your wrong, and you probably know it. | ||
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On October 13 2010 11:57 Bill Murray wrote: Your English is better than Pandains, and I view you as a better player than him. Many people, like BC, who are overrated view Pandain as good. I believe he isn't nearly as good as people believe him to be. He is annoying, hasn't ever really lead a town or mafia (I have lead both, twice as Godfather winning, and once as a Jailkeeper which is akin to a protective role) you won as godfather because you were so bad people argued whether you were just acting normal or not, and got hung up over that. | ||
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1. I am the best player in this game, and need to start a town circle, get the fuck over it Wrong, wrong. You are not the best, any town circle will be for certain inflitrated(and you will give bad advice.) 2. The people who view me as a village idiot are usually terrible players Oh yeah, I forgot Ace, Flamewheel, BC were all noobs. I'll be sure to tell them that next time. 3 . I am the one who made the connection. I believe they're both mafia. Two of my vote switches have been due to anger issues. You may be a better voter than me, but my history as town is a flip-floppy voter. THAT IS MY TOWN META. As mafia, I sit on my vote all fucking cycle. I guess you're too bad to realize that, though. LSB and Deconduo seem to think this play you have right now is your town play, and I fucking disagree. You are scum. So now you admit your voting due to anger issues, admit im a better voter, and claim wishy washy ness proves your town? IT JUST PROVES YOUR BAD. Note that "how" your playing doesn't even prove anything, it can just suggest. And frankly, you've even admitted how you spam as mafia. And you spam as town, as proved in many games. And nice proof of me being scum, that's one aristotle would love. "YOU ARE PLAYING LIKE SOMETHING WHICH I GIVE NO DETAIL OF, THEREFORE YOU ARE SCUM!" | ||
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On October 13 2010 12:19 Coagulation wrote: so how long till the votes are tallied and we lynch?? 40 minutes | ||
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I guess it has to happen one day. Next on the agenda: Vendril? I'll look through his posts tonight, will do analysis. | ||
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----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: i am voting him because masq is a newbie who is worthless, while vendril made a terrible pm someone shared with me which pretty much means he's mafia from my perspective So, what is this pm, and whos it from? | ||
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On October 13 2010 13:16 NB wrote: so i believe what we have for day2 is Bill vs Panda and lynch or not lynching Veld? Just because two people get in an argument does not mean one of them is mafia and one of them is town. Case in point is a certain mafia game when Ace and L just argued for pages, each claiming the other was mafia. Turns out both were innocent. Mad scientist should check whether the "cool jog" was a clue, aka, did it being midnight be a clue(could relate toHeaven on earth). Medic(ghost), please for the love of god protect me. I'll be cordinating with the JoL's. Grim reaper, obviously don't use it yet. Not enough info and you only get one shot. Boogyman, watch someone who you think will get visited. (obviously) DT its up to you. I'll make a list of my suspicion later. | ||
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On October 13 2010 13:22 Bill Murray wrote: You all may claim to me. I am going to go smoke. I need at least 1 ghost on me. Do not trust Pandain's lies *tries to stay calm* I'm going to ask everyone to stay reasoned. Right now BM is unconfirmed, asking for a circle of blues on "faith" alone, and generally has been unhelpful this game. In addition, there had already been one claim of JoL, I have a claim from another, and now BM is claiming at this most opportune time. Do not trust that he's that, personally being JoL doesn't mean you neccesarily will get hit. | ||
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On October 13 2010 13:42 NB wrote: i like the idea of not stacking ghost: each of you tail a New Player and hold on to them tonight. The chance of 1 of the new players being killed is almost 0% exactly, why would you want to waste it. Medics want to protect people. Vampire brute will in all liklihood not be used. However, just to be sure I'm asking DT NOT to check me this night, prefferably next night or after. | ||
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On October 13 2010 13:51 Bill Murray wrote: framer wants to die to vampire brute be my guest Alright, this prove it. You assume framer wants to do to vampire brute. Brute wouldn't just kill me for framer. You assume Vampire Brute is going to kill me. And yet you send the DT to go check me. | ||
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On October 13 2010 13:53 NB wrote: its not wasting but saving! it just like you have money and you wana invest it now or you wana save it later? Ghost is a very good role and the more we have late game, the stronger we are. There is no point to waste them early on people who has not been role-checked. In fact: i just look over on mafia and Vamp abilities once more time: Mafia: mind fuck shit, they can do almost anything now since Vamp is down 1 => they shall lay low and frame people with invisible man => Clue day 2 cannot be trusted >.< Vamp: They have 2 choice: target lowbies to stay safe OR kill power posters (people who post a lot without spaming). the more likely is killing power posters.... That's the same as DT not checking anyone cause they could die. Blue's should always use their roles, just not openly all on the same person. | ||
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Lucktar: Voted Veldril, gave no reason why. Basically, claims he guessed. On October 13 2010 07:51 Lucktar wrote: Looks like most people are still leaning towards Masq/Veldril, I'm not convinced that it's really that important which one gets lynched tonight. I think either one has enough cause to be a reasonable guess, and guessing's pretty much all we have at this point. Pandain did bring up some interesting points about Heaven on Earth, though. Something to keep in mind. Seems to me like Bill Murray is being super-aggressive and just lashing out at whoever seems like an easy target. He is apparently a veteran Mafia player, so maybe another vet could comment on whether that's typical for him? I'm perfectly willing to buy that it's just his style of posting, but it's definitely the most striking thing I've noticed from him. His change in position on Veldril seems especially weird, basically going from 'lynch the fucker' to 'maybe he's not so bad after all' in very little time. Perhaps trying to force himself into a position of leadership simply by speaking forcefully? I'm not sure. Bill Murray: claims masq is "mostly" harmless. It's hard to find his exact reasons for voting him. Also at less than one hour before he changed his vote to za Veldril, from masq, on the basis of "a myseterious pm" which "proved" it. Yet he wouldn't share it. Jodogohoo: oh my gosh. This guy is huge on my scumdar. Not only has he been spamming without really ANY content whatsover, he gives no reasons for any of his votes. I'll go into more detail in my analysis, coming up today. But heck, right now heres some food for thought, despite saying he thinks veldril is just a scape goat, and always saying that veldril needs to be lynched, he changes his vote to masq at the last second. Suscipcious, much? Oddo: SERIOUSLY? Look at this: On October 11 2010 14:32 oddo123 wrote: BC's killer = Masq. His profile matches the story perfectly..unless it is a trap! On October 12 2010 13:16 oddo123 wrote: Masq is indeed very suspicious. My vote goes to him as of now. Will think of it further... AND THEN COMPLETE CONTRADICTOIN: On October 13 2010 21:22 oddo123 wrote: I feel it would be beneficial for town to lynch Veldril as it would mean town gets rid of one more v/m (very likely). Anyway by the time Day 3 reaches, we would have much more information and reactions to work on. I got a feeling that Night 1 will reveal a lot  , giving cause for more suspects.Yet his actions do not match his words. On October 12 2010 22:19 oddo123 wrote: Vote Veldril LexPar: Yum yum very vauge On October 13 2010 01:53 Lexpar wrote: Your closing phrase is a little harsh youngminii. I was ready to call you out as being overzealous until I went over the thread history again. Veldril is very inconsistent and tries too hard to play it innocent. I'm with you young. Grandmoose: On October 12 2010 22:18 grandmoose wrote: Yeah I'm a bit late sorry it's my first mafia. I tried to read as much as I could from day1 to here. I think we should lynch Veldril he seems to be all over the place trying to make himself looks innocent and even has a clue against him. I might change my vote and feel free to persuade me. This post is very suscipcious to me. Not only does he not make a decision, leaving himself open to "oh alright, I'll do whatever you say, I'm townie, yup, of course", but his reasoning is horrible as well. "he tries to make himself look innocent and has a clue against him". Everyone tries to look innocent, and masq had a far better clue. Kenpachi: Made no posts, only voted. Gave no reasons why, didn't post anything besides this. extremely suscipcious. On October 12 2010 03:58 Kenpachi wrote: voted Veldril annul: "They're both scum, so we should just let mafia/vampires kill masq during the night" -.- Also interesting: During one point there were a spree of 5 votes for Veldril, all in two hours. These suscipcious people include: kenpachi, jodohogo, annul, yummy bla bla, and lucktar. Also: look at this post On October 12 2010 09:50 YummyBlaBla wrote: Now that I think about it, I don't think Masq/Veldril can be mafia/townie. They either have to be Mafia/Mafia, Townie/Townie, or Townie/Mafia. Mafia/Mafia Masq has no other choice but to vote Veldril to survive, or to look like he's a townie and going with the bandwagon. Both Townies Again, Masq trying to stay in the game. Townie/Mafia Refer to above If they are Mafia/Townie, at least the MH bomb will kill off Masq. Look at last sentence. Whaaaaaat? Please explain this to me. What blues should do Mad scientist: Check the jogging at midnight clue, ask if it being midnight or w/e is a clue. Will implicate heaven on earth. DT's: Check someone on the above, these people need to be checked. Medics: Please protect me, or at the very least other vets. Remember, JoL will most likely not die tonight. Grim reaper: Please don't kill someone. | ||
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A DT has already claimed to me(stupidly, but he has) I know three JoL's. I have another who claimed blue but hasn't revealed what. I am willing to ally with either mafia or vampires, to get rid of one side. First come, first serve. | ||
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On October 14 2010 10:19 annul wrote: wait so pandain, who claimed frankenstein, is now claiming dt or boogey or whatever? I never claimed frankenstein. I didn't claim DT. I didn't claim anything. I do have knowledge of such people, however. *tick tock tick tock* | ||
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On October 14 2010 10:20 Coagulation wrote: your about as trust worthy as bill at this point. Note I'm not asking for blue role claims, I'm asking to ally with mafia/vampires for a period of time. Theres a noteable difference. | ||
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On October 14 2010 10:29 Coagulation wrote: o shit i missed that .. o well i didnt have much doubt about it anyway wow, he even shared that pm to me, nice catch. Hey, vamps, might be smart to ally now, no? But its alright, whoever allies with me should know I will eventually betray them(can't let them win obviously.) But its going to be funsies seeing who can get out the most via the backstabbing | ||
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Also da yum yum must point out that many new time players are sometimes the most active BECAUSE they are so eager. Take a look at my first game, I was da Yum Yum Spammer. And of course he voted for seraph, seraph voted for him. Retalitory votes are common, especially among newer players. Your reaching at straws here, and I don't know if the straws are even there. | ||
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Astroisk was not hit. Who was? Most likely one person was poisoned, and another just isn't responding because a) he doesn't know he should claim b) he's afk -.- | ||
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On October 15 2010 10:07 grandmoose wrote: I think it's to early to worry about balancing the vamp/mafia. We should take any good chance we have to further our win condition. The vampires aren't looking too hot so far though lol. Yummyblabla and Kpyolisis32 both have a tiger/giant cat pictures and Brownbear's profile says he likes cats. As for a bad smell I couldn't find anything unless someone knows if cuddle fish smell bad. Obviously its a pun on annul(anal), since it came from the restroom. That's the bad smell. . I'll be doing some analysis today(for rizzles this time!) | ||
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Also, Yum Yum analysis Time A Panda Inspectors view into the Veldril Village Summary: Veldril has been very suscipcious this game. From defending a known vampire, to horrible accusations, to many numerous slips that cannot just be explained by his nationality/coincidence. Veldril has not made any real posts of his thoughts on anyone(besides Yogy, and I've already discussed that.). right now, Veldril in my eyes seems certainly vampire. We should lynch him to lower the vampire kp by one. His posts this game: On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote: Reporting in. Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not. Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible. His first post. Doesn't really say anything, admits its not important. As of now, can be expalined away as being new, but keep an eye on it. On October 11 2010 15:03 Veldril wrote: Hey, he's killed by a dagger not sword, lol. And if you buy enough knives then you can literally pierce a person at every spot. Picking at words, trying to laugh it off. This was after some people brought up the possible clues to him On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote: Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. The post that set off the fire. Here we see him defend Masq, yet note that it's not as "certain" as some people may make it out to seem. He doesn't say it doesn't apply, he says we need to be more cautious. In my eyes this is a pro town post, however in retrospect we see Masq is vampire. In addition, he warns against this clue because it is "too obvious." Not a very good reason, but not a very bad post. On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote: I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. Mmmm... warns that an indictator of mafia/vampire could be that they accuse other people if someone is suspected. What I don't like about this post is he doesn't really give any concrete opinions, he has not as of yet. He's giving general advice, without any real opinions. Even the advice is kept in check by his admitting that he's not sure. On October 11 2010 15:40 Veldril wrote: Oh and by Mafia/Vampire deflecting blame in the first point of my previous post is that if they are lucky, they could kill other side too. For Mafia/Vampire, I think they don't care much about who dies in the first couple of days/nights as long as it's not on their side. Townie dies mean they have less choice to make in the next cycle and if they can force townie to vote to kill the other side, then that would make them even have more profit. Oh and I don't say that Masq is surely not a killer. I just think we need to look further for other clues too before accusing him solely. But he's one of the suspects though. (Maybe I need a ghost in the first night ).Says that mafia/vampire don't really care who dies as long as its not one of them. Alright, but wanna go any further? Here he also clarifies(or does he????) his position on masq, he's suscipcious of him, but thinks we need to look for more clues. Yet he doesn't offer anything! Of course, he could just be lazy, but another thing to note. Also, whats with that last sentence? I'm so confused by that. On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote: Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? this post is very, very intersting. Let's see a core assumption this post makes: 1. Masq is mafia/vampire Why?: "I deserve to be suspected for protecting masq." But why, if you think we need to look at other people. Why does protecting masq make you a suspect, unless of course you know he's mafia/vampire. Also he now warns we should be wary of clues, and in retrospect the clue led to Masq being caught. Also, he says "townie like us", but that just seems forced. Very forced. Then he defends his(he admits?!!!) bad post, but defends that by saying "Do you REALLY think I would do the same thing as Ver described?" Using wifom to defend himself, not good. Now for another interesting part of this post: Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. I believe this is a slip up. I think it's already been noted, but of course I'm going through all of his posts. He doesn't say "Therefore, Veldril and masq are vampire/mafia", he says "Therefore, veldril and masq are VAMPIRE." On October 12 2010 00:46 Veldril wrote: Oh and Bill, I concluded that you are experienced player because you participated in many Mafia game before. You even hosted a game. I checked your post history. OMG NOTE THAT. This is important for a future post of his. He knows how to use search function. On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote: After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. This post just states the obvious, simple logic. On October 12 2010 04:07 Veldril wrote: Hmmm, fair enough. You have your points spoken and that's fine for me. Well, maybe I jumped my conclusion that "experienced player = player familiar with logic" so if that's not true then my argument would be unsound. But since we really don't know is it true or not, we could just left it for others to decide. Backs down. I had a pm with Dr. H that one of the major scum tells is someone accusing/making a point, then backing down. Now, obviously townies can do this all the time, but it points towards a scum. On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote: Deconduo has posted once. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=17#327 alright, we've already established he knows how to use the search function. But then, why did he mislabel the number of posts Deconduo has made? Either: 1. He can't count. 2.Theres an ulterior motive. I'm going to leave this open to interperation, as I'm not sure myself. On October 12 2010 19:02 Veldril wrote: It seems most people are out for my blood now. I feel like now when I try to defend or propose something up, most people will come up with even more excuses to vote me. It seems I really made a grudge with Bill Murray, since he's the most vocal to get me killed. I don't really understand why you would want me to get lynched so badly. I would shift a vote off you if you have explain the reason why do you think "defending others" would mean "Red defends Red". Also, I feel that either me or Masq get lynched, it would not be a good situation for Townie or me at all. If Masq get lynched and turn out to be red, people would still suspect me and that could hurt townie since they would spend their focus on me being red and I would still get fried. If Masq turn out to be green, I don't think some people will let me go free without discrediting me, therefore I could not make impact in the future day/night. However, if I get lynched today, it would be a game over. It may seems cowardice but I will have to vote for Masq to save myself. I just wish that Masq indeed turns out to be green. Here he explains his vote for Masq. Note some key things in this statement. Now, he says he's from Thailand, and I believe he is(thus, english not first language.) But these should still be noted. "It would not be a good situation for townie OR ME." Indicating he's not townie. "However, if I get lynched today, it would be a game over." Is he soft claiming blue? I'm confuzzled. I don't think he's blue, he would've said something by now. On October 13 2010 00:45 Veldril wrote: I find it odd with your observation here. When I attack BM's argument back then, I attacked him quite aggressively to make his logic fall apart. Every time I try to defend my position, he respond very aggressively so I have to try other methods to back my argument, which is what make he thinks that by protecting Masq is equal to we teaming up and be on the same team. He still doesn't response me and when orglove try to press him at this point, he also react aggressively. Also, if most people start accusing you, wouldn't you want to prove your innocence. Since I don't have proof and I don't want to point finger randomly (only to BM now). That's why I stated in the previous post, every attempt of me defending myself looks like I make a bad post as a red, and every aggressive move toward me is a good post or good observation for some people. Doesn't it weird? Final note, please look at where I come from. You have to consider cultural and personality impact on making arguments too, because sometimes Asian countries have different way to answer. In Thailand, it is most of the time considered polite to be passive when someone make an argument against you. We also consider our false directly in logical argument so we would not misjudge or build a better argument. Softly(at least) accuses BM. claims he doesn't want to point fingers randomly, but then says (only to BM now.) Defends his "playstyle" by saying wheres he from. Eh... On October 13 2010 16:23 Veldril wrote: And Masq turns out to be a vampire... If you guys are so worried about me, role check me if you want. You can even plant a bogeyman to spy whether someone visit me or not to. However, I think that some people are now 100% sure of my role right now. Remember that town wants to reduce the number of vampire and mafia gradually and have their number similar to each other. Moreover, Mafia now would want to use town vote to kill me more than dirty their own hands. Lynching me now would only help strengthen Mafia. All in all, reserve your judgment until day 2. There's going to be a lot of killing this night. This post basically claims vampire. First off "I think that people now are 100% sure of my role right now." Listen to his reasons for not lynching him: 1. We want to keep vampire/mafia numbers even. Basically claimed vampire there. 2. Lynching me now would only help mafia. Another indictation. On October 14 2010 16:42 Veldril wrote: Don't jump your conclusion yet. There are several reasons that I did not die on Night 2. 1. A ghost protected me. 2. I have been poisoned, therefore will be death the next night. 3. It is better to keep me alive because I have drawn too much attention upon myself. 4. Bum and Youngminii and LSB are better target to kill than me, because they fervently wanted me to get lynched on day 1. 5. It is better to get me lynched than wasting night action/kill on me, especially when many people suspecting me as a vampire. Alright, this is just a horrible post. First off, he would've claimed a ghost protected him, he can't know if he's been poisoned, and Bum really didn't "ferevantly" want you to get lynched. Also, if you've drawn too much attention to yourself, obviously you've done something wrong. It's true perhaps mafia wants us just to kill veldril via lynching, but personally I would still be okay with it because it lowers the vampire kp by one. On October 14 2010 19:06 Veldril wrote: Basically, it is because by lynching me, Mafia has nothing to lose. If I'm green, it just at worst a miss but they would not lose a member and maintain 2 more members than a vampire. They can even trace back and analyze to find more possible vampire's member by looking at voting and posting on day 1 relating to accusing me. If I'm a vampire, then basically they reduce the KP of vampire down by 1, and has 3 more members than vampire. That means vampire would be less likely to kill Mafia on Night 2 because they can only kill 2 people, while mafia can kill 3 . In this case (lynching me and I turn out to be a vampire), assuming that they both kill each others perfectly, vampire would be reduce to 4 people but Mafia would be only reduce 8, gaining even more leading. explanation. On October 14 2010 23:55 Veldril wrote: Whether I'm a vampire or not is not a problem right now. The issue is that by lynching me today, Mafias would gain advantages over Town and Vampire. If I flip green, they use previous vote to trace back who is vampire. Even if they miss on night 2, there would still have suspects list that could be used later to fish out vampire. It could also put a townie who vote for me on day 1 in danger. If I flip blue, well... I think I don't have to explain how this would affect town. If I flip vampire, they gain a lot of advantage as I explained in the previous post. Right now, town's best interest should be thinning down the number of mafias first. And when vampire and mafia number are approximately equal, then town can choose the course of action at that point, be it lynching me, other known/suspected vampires or known/suspected mafia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now let me presented a possible Mafia player that we should vote for today: Yogy The reasons that we should lynch this person are: 1. He voted Masq without posting anything before. If he's Mafia, then he would know that Masq is not on his team. Voting Masq, whom the clue implied to be a killer, would be the best vote to get rid of a vampire. The date and time he voted Masq is http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6559376 2. Later, he came up with this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6572368 Why would someone tell that there's no one telling him what to do or vote if he acted independently? If he indeed acted independently, he should have a reason why he voted for Masq, may it be he is so sure about the clue or else. Moreover, he posted this after someone compile the number of posts each player made. For me, it is very suspicious. 3. He is always inactive. Except the post I quote above, he make no other posts at all. By voting him right now would force him to be more active and we could get more information out of him that would benefit town. Therefore, with these three reasons above, I placed my vote on Yogy. To me this is just trying to change the direction of the bandwagon on him onto another player. Except its not a very good argument for lynching Yogy(no clues apply we can see, alot of people are inactive, and i thought you said you don't like random finger pointing.) The "If i flip blue" sentence indicates he's not blue. He's not worried about that situation. Now some more interesting tidbits: "Right now, town's best interest should be thinning down the number of mafias first" Not him, aka not vampires. Another unintentional(?) claim. "be it lynching me, other known/suspected vampires or known/suspected mafia." Note its OTHER known/suspected vampires, and just known/suspected mafia in general. Perhaps this is a bit picky, but in combination with all of those other slips, its just too much to pass up. On October 15 2010 03:26 Veldril wrote: Oh, I really skipped that part = =. My bad, sorry. Please skip point 1 then. -.- | ||
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Send a vampire spawn to pm me(not dracula or something.) Its up to you to reveal the amount to share, but keep in mind the more we know the more mafia we're going to kill. Perhaps just do a "hey, look at these people" analysis or "don't do this guy." We'll be able to get JoL's on mafia, dts to check them, etc... | ||
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On October 16 2010 05:13 BrownBear wrote: See, but this number 12 doesn't mean anything. You just pulled it out of your ass. Nowhere in the OP does it say 12 scumkills = victory. Town victory conditions: More than 8 mafia/vampire are dead and town outnumbers remaining ones. I think he got confused by forgetting 8 mafia have to also be dead in order for us to win. However, sorry for spam, but ya, you vamps should just send a guy under hidden IP, I ask if it's alright to go after some people I'm suscipcious of or something, and you say "yes or no." Or do it however you want. That'll be the last I'll mention this, sorry. | ||
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On October 16 2010 05:21 jcarlsoniv wrote: Pandain, that's a good, thorough analysis, and I agree with you. A while back I did an analysis on about the first half of his posts. I thought we couldn't discuss PMs shared with mods... :3 It was before he hosted it. | ||
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On October 16 2010 05:29 Glasse wrote: Pandain you are asking for people that got hit to claim. Now if you are town i guess it can help but then if someone got hit and lived, it means they were the 2 live guy thing or were saved by a ghost. Now you will probably want to use that to track down ghosts by looking at posts from people supporting the guy that got hit (or something like that) to kill them asap, since i believe you are mafia/vamp i doubt helping you would be a good idea. Its common play to claim if you got hit. If your vet, we have a confirmed townie, and can rally around you. That's incrediably important. If you got protected by a ghost, thats still important to know, since it can help lend support to you being one side/help figure out whether vamps used their poison ability. Also, support for a guy doesn't mean they're the ghost. I'd welcome mafia to do shoot off that, as they'd fail each time. | ||
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On October 16 2010 05:50 ShmotZ wrote: Yea i agree, dont claim. Why do you want people to claim so much? We can get information and work together without revealing such critical info so early on. Think about it, if you were mafia, you would just use the claims as a big trail to our blues for the reds effectively crippling the towns powers and giving the mafia the advantage. Wow.... You don't want to have a confirmed townie? One we can rally around? I'll have to analyze you soon too. | ||
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1.If vet -We have a confirmed townie assuming they aren't lying. They are the equivelent of zombies now, it's useful for people to know they got hit, because that's evidence. Now we can trust this person, perhaps have a DT check on him too just to verify. Then we can do a number of options which can be discussed in the future such as roleclaliming to him. Its just useful to know for one. 2. If saved by ghost -confirms there is ghost(very useful to know, in case of plans) -can't help mafia/vampires because what medic would blatantly say who he would protect. And both will help figure out whether someone is poisoned, which is very important to know. For example, I, arragont as I am, assume mafia/vampires poisoned me because I'm so good(laugh laugh, not.) | ||
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On October 16 2010 06:48 Coagulation wrote: none of this confirms anything. and your just opening the door for reds to manipulate town. you said so yourself "assuming they arent lying" "assuming they arent lying" "assuming they arent lying" "assuming they arent lying" big fucking assumption in a game of deceit and trickery. Yes, and if their lying, then we just caught a mafia. How to figure out if their mafia? 1.DT check him. Then we know its either true or count dracula. That or the framer, but that can also be checked by doing stuff such as sending the boogyman as well. Note he still would've had to be saved by a ghost if its mafia, since they don't have two lives. 2.Note he still would've had to be saved by a ghost if its mafia, since they don't have two lives. So we could somehow get a way for ghosts to verify without revealing their role, then that would be the bees knees. Basically, it doesn't hurt town, as long as we don't assume 100% their town(which your right, we shouldn't.) But it will help town figure out everything. | ||
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On October 16 2010 07:52 kingjames01 wrote: This post lists a lot of great reasons why Veldril is Red... However, it also makes me VERY suspicious about Pandain. If Veldril flips Blue/Green tonight, I'm going to be giving Pandain a very hard look... + Show Spoiler + On October 16 2010 04:48 Pandain wrote: Alright, again, PEOPLE WHO GOT HIT NEED TO CLAIM. Also, Yum Yum analysis Time A Panda Inspectors view into the Veldril Village Summary: Veldril has been very suscipcious this game. From defending a known vampire, to horrible accusations, to many numerous slips that cannot just be explained by his nationality/coincidence. Veldril has not made any real posts of his thoughts on anyone(besides Yogy, and I've already discussed that.). right now, Veldril in my eyes seems certainly vampire. We should lynch him to lower the vampire kp by one. His posts this game: His first post. Doesn't really say anything, admits its not important. As of now, can be expalined away as being new, but keep an eye on it. Picking at words, trying to laugh it off. This was after some people brought up the possible clues to him The post that set off the fire. Here we see him defend Masq, yet note that it's not as "certain" as some people may make it out to seem. He doesn't say it doesn't apply, he says we need to be more cautious. In my eyes this is a pro town post, however in retrospect we see Masq is vampire. In addition, he warns against this clue because it is "too obvious." Not a very good reason, but not a very bad post. Mmmm... warns that an indictator of mafia/vampire could be that they accuse other people if someone is suspected. What I don't like about this post is he doesn't really give any concrete opinions, he has not as of yet. He's giving general advice, without any real opinions. Even the advice is kept in check by his admitting that he's not sure. Says that mafia/vampire don't really care who dies as long as its not one of them. Alright, but wanna go any further? Here he also clarifies(or does he????) his position on masq, he's suscipcious of him, but thinks we need to look for more clues. Yet he doesn't offer anything! Of course, he could just be lazy, but another thing to note. Also, whats with that last sentence? I'm so confused by that. this post is very, very intersting. Let's see a core assumption this post makes: 1. Masq is mafia/vampire Why?: "I deserve to be suspected for protecting masq." But why, if you think we need to look at other people. Why does protecting masq make you a suspect, unless of course you know he's mafia/vampire. Also he now warns we should be wary of clues, and in retrospect the clue led to Masq being caught. Also, he says "townie like us", but that just seems forced. Very forced. Then he defends his(he admits?!!!) bad post, but defends that by saying "Do you REALLY think I would do the same thing as Ver described?" Using wifom to defend himself, not good. Now for another interesting part of this post: I believe this is a slip up. I think it's already been noted, but of course I'm going through all of his posts. He doesn't say "Therefore, Veldril and masq are vampire/mafia", he says "Therefore, veldril and masq are VAMPIRE." OMG NOTE THAT. This is important for a future post of his. He knows how to use search function. This post just states the obvious, simple logic. Backs down. I had a pm with Dr. H that one of the major scum tells is someone accusing/making a point, then backing down. Now, obviously townies can do this all the time, but it points towards a scum. alright, we've already established he knows how to use the search function. But then, why did he mislabel the number of posts Deconduo has made? Either: 1. He can't count. 2.Theres an ulterior motive. I'm going to leave this open to interperation, as I'm not sure myself. Here he explains his vote for Masq. Note some key things in this statement. Now, he says he's from Thailand, and I believe he is(thus, english not first language.) But these should still be noted. "It would not be a good situation for townie OR ME." Indicating he's not townie. "However, if I get lynched today, it would be a game over." Is he soft claiming blue? I'm confuzzled. I don't think he's blue, he would've said something by now. Softly(at least) accuses BM. claims he doesn't want to point fingers randomly, but then says (only to BM now.) Defends his "playstyle" by saying wheres he from. Eh... This post basically claims vampire. First off "I think that people now are 100% sure of my role right now." Listen to his reasons for not lynching him: 1. We want to keep vampire/mafia numbers even. Basically claimed vampire there. 2. Lynching me now would only help mafia. Another indictation. Alright, this is just a horrible post. First off, he would've claimed a ghost protected him, he can't know if he's been poisoned, and Bum really didn't "ferevantly" want you to get lynched. Also, if you've drawn too much attention to yourself, obviously you've done something wrong. It's true perhaps mafia wants us just to kill veldril via lynching, but personally I would still be okay with it because it lowers the vampire kp by one. explanation. To me this is just trying to change the direction of the bandwagon on him onto another player. Except its not a very good argument for lynching Yogy(no clues apply we can see, alot of people are inactive, and i thought you said you don't like random finger pointing.) The "If i flip blue" sentence indicates he's not blue. He's not worried about that situation. Now some more interesting tidbits: "Right now, town's best interest should be thinning down the number of mafias first" Not him, aka not vampires. Another unintentional(?) claim. "be it lynching me, other known/suspected vampires or known/suspected mafia." Note its OTHER known/suspected vampires, and just known/suspected mafia in general. Perhaps this is a bit picky, but in combination with all of those other slips, its just too much to pass up. -.- "Great reasons, I'll support you." "However, if he turns green/blue, despite the fact I thought your analysis very well, despite the fact I voted for the same person, and despite the fact you basically just summarized the case on Vendril and didn't even start it(in fact, wanted masq lynched before vendril), I'm going to take a hard look at you." Please, give reasons why. If someone shows sufficient proof Vendril isn't mafia/vampire, say it. Otherwise, this is just a doomsday trap for me if he is green. | ||
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On October 16 2010 08:09 XeliN wrote: I'm going to vote Veldril, gotten someway through the thread so far, but about to go to sleep and don't want to miss voting (getting modkilled just as I sub in would be an unwelcome irony )I have to say though, and this is entirely an "on the surface" evaluation, I'm quite surprised thatthe Veldril lynch is being supported so unanimously, the evidence against him doesn't to me seem warranting of such a strong response, but hey as I say that's mostly just my reaction to reading Pandain's post which has been linked as surmising the arguments against Veldy well. I'll delve further into reading through the thread when I wake up tomorrow, and expect to have at least skim read it fully by then. theres also some stuff I left out, most notably the clue portion which relates to him "my body was made out of unlimited swords." Speaking of, Mad scientist, I hope you checked that midnight jog clue!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On October 16 2010 09:04 Divinek wrote: like are all of you so naive to think someone would openly protect a member of their own faction so blatantly? it's TERRIBLE reasoning that almost never leads to a correct lynch. Who knows maybe we'll get lucky and lynch a mafia but the odds of veldril being vampire are sooo slim just based on how he acted about masq and the general consensus of everyone wagoning him so easily. it's impossible for me to fingering anyone because you're all sheeping on this without looking at the grand scheme of things and instead trying LOOK for ways to paint him red -_- On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote: What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril. On October 13 2010 08:41 youngminii wrote: And I'm one of the people who stood by Masq from the beginning, maybe not as strong as you wanted him lynched but I never had my vote on him. When the Masq bandwagon started I didn't want to jump on because it happened out of nowhere and Masq didn't even make that many posts. Then the Veldril bandwagon started and I put my vote on him as a placeholder kind of thing. Then Veldril makes a series of posts that are very, very questionable. Now I'm strongly against Veldril and I'm supporting Masq on the basis of his posting behaviour, not some silly clues that are unreliable at best. And no, it isn't easy to defend Masq even though I won't be lynched today. What's going to happen if he IS scum? I'll be put under suspicion or targeted by the other scum team since I'll be seen as 'Masq's ally'. Am I willing to get lynched for him? No, but I'm willing to bet that I'm right on this. On October 13 2010 08:43 youngminii wrote: ebwop by the last sentence i meant that i'm sure veldril's a better lynch candidate than masq add to the fact that like 75% of this game are new players, so of course they could be prone to mistakes. What, do you think vampires would just let their bretheren fall without any attempt of saving them? | ||
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On October 16 2010 09:37 QuickStriker wrote: Meh, this game goes on too fast... or maybe I just don't get on this and commit enough time on it. either way, I don't have much time to actually go through 30 unread pages and decide and give my feedback like I usually do. Fuck life, midterms, 20 hour internship, school, girl that's leading to nowhere, and life... Anyone here want to give me or others like me a brief summary in one post of what happened the last 30 pages?? I know that if I don't have the time, then I shouldn't be playing but as much as I'm considering to quit... I still sorta wanna play.... blah. EVeryone's voting Veldril. I gave a concise explanation here. here also remember the clue. Let's see.... that's about it. | ||
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On October 16 2010 09:42 Divinek wrote: directly defending them like that is so god damn obvious when they are such a prime candidate for a lynch. ESPECIALLY in a game this size, gonna have to bus people once in a while. Even a newbie would realize trying to defend your red brother is so obvious when he flips it's going to kill you because townies dont think Actually Veldril constantly tried to shy away that connection. here On October 11 2010 15:40 Veldril wrote: Oh and by Mafia/Vampire deflecting blame in the first point of my previous post is that if they are lucky, they could kill other side too. For Mafia/Vampire, I think they don't care much about who dies in the first couple of days/nights as long as it's not on their side. Townie dies mean they have less choice to make in the next cycle and if they can force townie to vote to kill the other side, then that would make them even have more profit. Oh and I don't say that Masq is surely not a killer. I just think we need to look further for other clues too before accusing him solely. But he's one of the suspects though. (Maybe I need a ghost in the first night ). | ||
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On October 16 2010 10:16 jodogohoo wrote: lol then until a clue points us that your a blood thirsty killer, i'll have tea with you anyday =) check your pms -.-. | ||
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On October 16 2010 11:32 Nemesis wrote: Just wondering it seems people keep using WIFOM, what does that mean? basically, just any analysis which is based on what your opponet "might do", based on what you "might do," but then what would he do in response? Like reverse reverse psycholog. More broadly, just any analysis that's not grounded in behavior, but speculation. | ||
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On October 16 2010 12:01 orgolove wrote: He's forcing me to talk with him "privately" -.- n.n | ||
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On October 16 2010 13:06 Divinek wrote: who told you so pandain dats right i did I concede | ||
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No, that would make me go crazy. This just means I'm too tired to function properly | ||
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"The silver instrument bashed his skull to pieces and the tall figure laughed maniacally as Qatols head crumbled into dust." Contains a clue within it, although as a sentence it is not all a clue. | ||
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On October 17 2010 01:14 jcarlsoniv wrote: So...wait, Pandain, what are you waiting for? well, vampire have about 10 minutes now before I reveal one of them. I want info. | ||
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"The silver instrument bashed his skull to pieces and the tall figure laughed maniacally as Qatols head crumbled into dust." However, we know not all of it is a clue. So let's divide it into 3 parts. "The Silver instrument bashed his skull to pieces." MetalFace Metal(silver) guy holding a silver instrument(does microphone count as an instrument.) Note it doesn't neccesarily mean hammer. glasse Silverish=whiteish kirby holding a hammer which is partly silver. Loose correlation at best. yummy bla bla kirby holds silver pan. loose correlation. sinquity picture + video. Both silver instruments(?) Are they instruments...so vaugue The other two parts are "Tall figure laughed manically" and "head crumbled into dust." I might do that part too! later... | ||
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Also, for heaven on earth, see my post here. On October 13 2010 06:47 Pandain wrote: Yum Yum voting Heaven on Earth unless he speaks more. yum yum possible clues in profile include: "Break every bone in your face" "The cooler weather makes me unspeakably happy..." Note Qatol also died at midnight, so of course he would laugh manically since its cooler weather. his album in his profile is by a finnish death metal band. The second song is called "songs of the storm." this is only semi plausible. i really think thats a clue, i don't know whether it relates to him though. I think mad scientist should check whether that is a clue. "A coffin made of your deceptions" there are numerous references to the "oh my gosh, my mind are playing tricks on me", and then they end up dead. Also his only post is useless, as he just gathers up the posts of a person. claims hes thoroughly convinced we MAY have a mafia/vamp. What kind of sentence is that? Also tries to indirectly gain town cred for Bill, who I'm suscipcious of because he always seems scummy to me and the numerous references to drunkeness in the day post. Compare that with his quote: "Sobriety is a sin whose destruction ought be perused without abandon." In addition, he's barely posted at all, yet has voted. He's made one post. | ||
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On October 17 2010 03:03 Divinek wrote: you have a dt who checked jodo and he came back vampire and you think heaven is mafia? just trying to clear it up so i can pick it apart properly Yes. In addition, it appears the previous sentence referred to the silver instrument specifically as a hammer. keep that in mind. | ||
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On October 17 2010 03:10 orgolove wrote: You missed the hammer. Nice "selective" analysis. On October 17 2010 03:04 Pandain wrote: Yes. In addition, it appears the previous sentence referred to the silver instrument specifically as a hammer. keep that in mind. | ||
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On October 17 2010 03:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: As the night went on, Therick could not get over the grief of lynching the innocent Veldril. He decided to make his own noose and as he wept he hung himself in his own closet. Therick the boogeyman has left the game I have no more time to find replacements anymore. Sorry you don't have the time for the game anymore Therick. LOLOLOL. They were bffs I guess. Also, MS had cleared Glasse in relation to that clue. | ||
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On October 17 2010 04:46 zerroth wrote: dividing up one clue into several parts and suspecting 4 different people on one person;s murder/clue when you dont even know if it is a clue in the first place. right...... Mad hatter confirmed its a clue, yet its not all a clue. | ||
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On October 17 2010 05:49 BrownBear wrote: OH SHIT THIS GAME JUST GOT BROKE WIDE OPEN. Omg... so clever of Dr. H. Posing as the mod so no one would vote for him! And then pretending to show the new players how to vote, but HE WOULD ACTUALLY BE VOTING!!!!!! Also, I'm going to request ghosts to protect me again, if you wish. I think vampires are going to kill me because I just got one of them killed(and believe I know alot of others), and mafia might because I'm pretty sure Heaven on earth's a mafia, and hopefully he'll be dead. | ||
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On October 17 2010 06:08 orgolove wrote: Again, how can we believe that anything you are saying is trustworthy? Once Jodo and Heaven turns up red, you can. Otherwise, you should be cautious. But as of now I know many blues, so if suddenly like 5000000000000 of them die tonight, you shouldn't. | ||
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On October 17 2010 06:16 Glasse wrote: nvm, he said it wasnt me later, still. dont use fake shit to relate someone to something, thats not a smart way to analyse "Loose correlation AT BEST" "SilverISH whiteISH" | ||
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On October 17 2010 08:03 spydR wrote: e6na6yh91 3iw9g ay9: pandain anyone else wanna try at that code? e6oa6yh91 3ivv9yg 4y9: ??n??r?e? ?ier? are 74ol4io Pandain thats what i got :/ | ||
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LET him die? Was that just a slip? You know I'm going to get hit? And you won't do anything? | ||
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On October 17 2010 08:39 Glasse wrote: that was not a slip... i'd rather have you die because i think you are red If you think I'm red and want me dead, then make an analysis or something. I need to live tonight. Trust me, if I'm red, town's already basically screwed. | ||
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On October 17 2010 08:43 Glasse wrote: oh btw, what else could i have said? It's not that, its that your assuming I'm going to be hit tonight. | ||
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On October 17 2010 09:03 jodogohoo wrote: lol as far as im concerned, the towns is fucked. just look at the last couple pages, complete shit in terms of discussion. Here, I'll make a semi long post why I'm not contributing (LOLOLOLOL) 1.Don't want to lead mafia towards vampire, and if i think someone's red they could be vampire/mafia 2.I'm active im pms as of now. 3.I'm bored 4. I'm having fun! 5.I have a horrible problem where I resort to spamming 6.Brownbear told me to Until tonight, I stay... SILENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On October 17 2010 10:17 AirbladeOrange wrote: Yeah, I'm getting pretty lost in the discussions. I read a few pages of posts and most of it is some sort of secret codes, spamming, or some sort of meaningless post. This is my first game and I'm wondering if all are like this. No, keep pace. Right now this is really all useless. Personally, I'm just waiting until night comes. This has convinced me to stop spamming(since I am guilty of it as well.) Guys, in the end, it doesn't matter. Aztorix should reveal his codes, as there is no good reason to hold back your thoughts if you really think they would be important enough to be read if you die. Add to that, I solved your code, and you don't give any reasons WHY you think they are vampire/mafia. I'd like to see more posts like that. I fault myself for not setting a good example. I'm one of the few people in here who's actually played some mafia games before, and should be setting an example. From now on, I'll post longer. In addition, some people are remaining really inactive. Heaven on earth, for example, posted once at the VERy begining of the game, and has done nothing but vote this whole time. Yet I know he's played previously, so it's not like he's totally clueless. Why haven't we seen ANY opinions on him yet. Really, we need to start to work together. Obviously that means I'll keep some vital information for myself, but everyone needs to contribute. For example, why doesn't anyone do some clue analysis? Or go through someone's posts and analyze them. A guy in my first mafia game suggested everyone analyze the person who's just before them on the sign up list. I'd suggest you to use this format for analyzing them but use whatever suits you best. Medics, protect whoever you want. If you think I'm mafia, then do it. Honestly, there is still a chance(low though) that there is another brute. So use your own common sense. I apologize for my horrendous play, I'll try to make it up from now on. The Situation right now: 10/11 mafia still live, with their godfather dead. 8/11 vampires live, with the brute dead. Right now, vampire KP will probably be lowered if mafia manage to hit vampires succesfully. If this happens, then town should focus on helping the vampires, since if mafia manage to take out all the vampires they win. Remember, mafia have 3 kp, and will likely have 3 kp for at least two nights(this and the next), so depending on how good they are we might only have 3 nights left. But honestly, that's some time. What we should be doing, is finding red's, bringing up several possibilities, and then deciding who's more likely to be vampire/mafia. But if we have an almost certain red in our eyes, go for it. Because most likely, mafia/vampire will see that too. So mafia over vampires, but vampires over just 50% likely reds. Of course, if vampires really start to do really bad, then we need to focus ASAP on mafia. But since vampire seems to be pretty confident by themselves(haven't even responded to my requests of alliance), I'm thinking they're alright AT the moment. | ||
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I apologize for setting a bad example. There has been a whole bunch of new people who have joined TL mafia, and I apologize if I have alienated(is that the word?) them. Hopefully I can show everyone what Mafia is really like, how much fun it can be, how it's really a psyhological game of epic porportions. Yet I've been spamming, doing posts half-hardidly, and just overall playing poorly. To move forward in the hopes that we can start real discussion again, this will be the last of my "woe is me" topic. Its panda time. | ||
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United States12989 Posts
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On October 24 2010 07:47 redtooth wrote: vote HeavOnEarth hahahahhahaa he was just so eager to play! | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Epic music commence! | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Darn you jodo!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
I had so much fun this game, I claimed like 5 different things n.n | ||
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Pandain
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On October 29 2010 09:58 annul wrote: http://pastebin.com/7f1rGgHy <--- #teamedward logs, in full. a lot of shit in there. so much hate on me I'd prefer feedback on what I can do better. I'm always learning 'I thought I played fairley well in that game. Caught a mafia, got several blues to me, coordinated them, got mafia to double shoot me(townie), but apparently "im terrible" and "retarded" . Improvements? I don't like being disliked :/ | ||
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