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On October 11 2010 12:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 12:10 jcarlsoniv wrote: Just to clarify, each "game day" is 3 days real time? 2 days of day time and 1 day of night time?
Also, you said 12:00 team liquid time is 11:00 EST. Is that 11 AM or PM? PM. We'll be starting at midnight EST tonight though. In fact I'm going to change the cycle times. 48 hour days, 24 hour nights. a full cycle if you wish to call it so is 72 hours. 8008 posts LOL
hmm, im confused on the vampire's power... whats the meaning of KP? dying by poison cost 1 mafia's KP?
if KP is kill power => if some one die that night by vampire poison fangs, mafia get to kill 1 less person?
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On October 11 2010 13:04 youngminii wrote: whats a haunted zombie I see what you did there *smiley face*
holyshit, people already dead... Im scared T_T
just a song that suit the theme xD + Show Spoiler +
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On October 11 2010 13:16 orgolove wrote: Uh, if you're a townie, how do you know from the very first day who's the mafia/vampire? Nothing has happened. Are we supposed to just randomly choose for the first day? there are clue in the text.... im inspecting the "non-fiction" detail after the Liberian death... have to go to people profile and check 1 by 1 is a pain T_T... is there a quick way to do it?
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On October 11 2010 13:35 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 13:29 meeple wrote:On October 11 2010 13:22 Thegilaboy wrote: Also, DrH are you going to be providing screenshots of everyone's profile in the OP for convenience? Yes... in good time... just give us a sec to fix this...
On October 11 2010 13:26 orgolove wrote: Damn, I wish the list of people would be automatically linked to their profiles... Doc? :D Again... in a little while, this should be added... first things first... Did it for you, spare you some time + Show Spoiler +Edit: added spoiler, and edit note great post, thanks alot ^^
also when the game start, it would be night first right? i mean considering there are people being killed, there should be a night b4 that so the mafia and vampire decided who to killed :<.... or those people who were dead on 1st day are randomly chosen?
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so i assume this is where townies discuss who to kill on the 1st day... i have played mafia in real life so normally people who suggest who to kill first is the mafia (since they wana kill people @_@) hmmm...
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On October 11 2010 13:55 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 13:49 NB wrote: so i assume this is where townies discuss who to kill on the 1st day... i have played mafia in real life so normally people who suggest who to kill first is the mafia (since they wana kill people @_@) hmmm... Rule of thumb, 3rd or 4th person on a bandwagon is probably mafia Mafia in.. Real life... Whats that? Is that like on a different forum or something? (jkjk) no, mafia in real life is a game where you sit in a round table and play mafia xD... night: everyone heads down and close eyes, day: discuss =D.... 1 game might take 10 mins, might take 3 hours...
what is a bandwagon T_T
also: being killed by a hammer... hammer is a moderator right? i mean the icon...
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i didnt know, im sorry... it just that i dont wana double posting T_T
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On October 11 2010 14:59 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote: NO i think we should all stop analysing and just keep voting for coag for no reason oh ok then i'm glad we're in agreement. you should be able to easily tell that it is a simple joke... the fact that you just want to kill a random people means that most likely you are a mafia or vampire...
even if you are neither, having some kinda random vote like you will ruin the logical of the game
the above reasons are why i voted for seRaPh
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is that just me or 2 pages ago, someone suggested to vote for masq and 2 or 3 people stand out(most noticed is Veldril) and defend him?
is that mean they are on the same team? again, in this game if im correct, only town people dont know who the rest are, mafia/vampire know their teamees right?
about the crazy pictures: if you guys have noticed, the content of the clue have not changed much since the 1st content which was canceled since there was a mistake... Most people profile have not changed during that period of time so using "Pictures" in the profile pages does not guarantee anything. And Yes, im defending it bc i have a "crazed smile" picture in my profile but it was from kingdom heart 4 or 5 years ago ... and kingdom heart is cute :3...
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im currently have my eyes on jodogohoo Reason: in the voting thread, he changed his vote 3 times and vote for 4 different people... This indicate the fact that he just want to get rid of somebody and does not care who it is. This type of action is rarely seen at town people and more common at mafia/vampire since they know "who not to kill".
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On October 11 2010 16:52 Masq wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 16:29 orgolove wrote: I'm not going to update the list with ppl who make large lists of suspects - too much work. I'll only update the few people that vehemently support/denounce others, i.e. aztrorisk: accused shmotz defended masq
etc etc. Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:32 aztrorisk wrote: I think masq is our safest option, lets just keep it at him Definitely didn't defend me. Why is everyone out to get me My picture doesn't even have carvings in it. Its a pear with bite marks made to look like a face, its supposed to be cute. You guys are so cruel. There are 2 common degree of thinkings: 1/ using the clue and come up with the criminal 2/ using the clue, predict the result of the criminal and use it to manipulate people to other result.
Considering this is day1 and we have lots of new players (including me), 2nd degree is almost impossible to happen in the first few posts unless we have a group of mafia/vampire full of veteran players framing this from the very first second they know each others. Therefore the chance of you belong to 1 of those 2 groups: mafia/vampire is the highest atm.
But i also suggest just to be safe: we should check who come up with the clue about Jack-o-lantern and connect it to masq profile picture... That person could also be "the one who want to kill people".
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i notice a lots of people voted without reason or posting in this thread... Just as a warning: thats make you really looks like a mafia/vampire who wana sneaky killing people.
I have a feeling that the more votes we have for masq, the deeper we are falling into a trap... The only reason i would vote for him right now is beacause he "seem" to have a teammate who is "Veldrill".As Dr.H has cleared out, Jack-o-lantern is a role and not a clue so the picture must be non-related....
I fact, We should pay attention to the people who are keep accusing masq and keep our track on them... Just to be safe.
a non related note: jodogohoo changed his vote again... there is something really supicious about the way this guy vote... He is either a newb or some psycho killer -.-
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WHO INVESTIGATE THE INVESTIGATORS?
I am considering between seRapH, jodogohoo and Veldril If masq is truely the Jack-o-lantern, its "ok" to ignore him. Would not take risk only killing 1 blue since 1 blue life is SO MUCH worth compare to killing jack...
Reason i choose those 3 people: seRapH: check my previous posts
jodogohoo: He changed his vote ALOT. The best way to explain this is that he likes to "agree" with people on lynching somebody. This means that he, in fact, does not value the "risk" that we have to take when lynching somebody or in another way to say: "He seem to know who to avoid killing". Most of his posts contain very "simple" logic and mostly "agreeing" with someone else on lynching people. If i have to change my vote right now, i would vote for him. I denied the possibility of him being a noob since his post counts is 2k...
Veldril: His biggest mistake was try to protect masq VERY early on. If that didnt cause enough attention toward this couple, Masq went a head and "agree" with Veldril's protection. => What this means is that instead of voting for masq, vote for Veldril is a MUCH safer option comparatively since Veldril has much more "power posts" than Masq. If both Masq and Veldril have equal chance of being mafia/vamp, why dont we remove the "harmful" one b4 the "harmless" one?
Now im off to do homework >.<... but i will replay if you have any questions toward my logic :-)
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On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk:Show nested quote + aztorisk wrote: I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.
----------------------------------------- Original Message From aztrorisk:
I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased
----------------------------------------- Original Message From aztrorisk: Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.
----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: vote with me on veldril then
----------------------------------------- Original Message From aztrorisk: hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:
The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating. hmm, i thought we are not supposed to post PMs? also it could be you and him making these stuff up, how should i judge a PM? -.-
the only thing i could safely come up after your post is that you and him have some connection...
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On October 12 2010 03:33 YummyBlaBla wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:28 NB wrote: WHO INVESTIGATE THE INVESTIGATORS?
I am considering between seRapH, jodogohoo and Veldril If masq is truely the Jack-o-lantern, its "ok" to ignore him. Would not take risk only killing 1 blue since 1 blue life is SO MUCH worth compare to killing jack...
Reason i choose those 3 people: seRapH: check my previous posts
jodogohoo: He changed his vote ALOT. The best way to explain this is that he likes to "agree" with people on lynching somebody. This means that he, in fact, does not value the "risk" that we have to take when lynching somebody or in another way to say: "He seem to know who to avoid killing". Most of his posts contain very "simple" logic and mostly "agreeing" with someone else on lynching people. If i have to change my vote right now, i would vote for him. I denied the possibility of him being a noob since his post counts is 2k...
Veldril: His biggest mistake was try to protect masq VERY early on. If that didnt cause enough attention toward this couple, Masq went a head and "agree" with Veldril's protection. => What this means is that instead of voting for masq, vote for Veldril is a MUCH safer option comparatively since Veldril has much more "power posts" than Masq. If both Masq and Veldril have equal chance of being mafia/vamp, why dont we remove the "harmful" one b4 the "harmless" one?
Now im off to do homework >.<... but i will replay if you have any questions toward my logic :-) The Jack-o-lantern hint is a clue. I don't think it means that the clue refers to the blue role. no, you mis-understood what i was trying to say.
what i mean was that lynching somebody right now is facing a chance of lynching one of our blue so dont do it too randomly. the more blue we have, the more chance we have to survive lately so lynching to a townie is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT compare to M or V. In fact, those people who are not posting but voting are most likely V or M since they dont care about who is getting lynched.
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Talking about M or V... they will want to get rid of the most "reasonable" person who has the most "power posts" in the first night... So The ghost should be protecting the most influential person we having here.
hmm, how do you type in color? only mods can do that?
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On October 12 2010 04:31 jcarlsoniv wrote: I was wondering if we could get some clarification of some of the votes.
seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29) jodogohoo - 1 - youngminii - (L-30) ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30) aztrorisk - 1 - d3_crescentia - (L-30)
These are the 5 votes I'm not so sure on. Any information will help us make a decision. as you check my history post in this thread, you will find out the reason y i voted for seRapH:
as VERY early after the game start, he already start accusing people and vote for somebody. This indicate that he already know his "family" and know who are the people he can randomly kill. Again, thats was very early game. I also warned people that the first person i seen accusing some body will be the one i inspected first and that warned, i believe, was b4 i vote for seRapH.
Most likely i will change my vote into jodogohoo and i wont be bother explain myself again. I have been inspecting him and posted my inspection in this thread, if you care to find out, check my post history.
I see a LOT of "power posts" recently... interesting to notice on the logic that if masq is Mafia/Vamp, he will most likely will survive after night1. What if there is a team kill to get rid of him to avoid inspection on people protected him? Also the logic of townie has the biggest chance to win is absurd. Statisticly its depend on what are the roles of people who are having "power post" in this thread. "Power post" is a post which has a clear logic which can change people thinking if they read it. The google spreadsheet is also i type of power post that we should keep in mind.
I suggest we each make a "power rank" chart of our own to see who are the most influential in the thread and beware of that person...
Dang! too much "power posts" make me confused >.< T_T
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On October 12 2010 05:22 orgolove wrote: NB, coagulation was quite defensive when he was first accused. He tried to bandwagon at the first opportunity, and when he was being pressured, made series of posts trying to "joke" about voting against him. I think seraph was not necessarily accusing from the start, it was just that he caught onto this fact.
Now, I wonder why your votes are in agreement with coagulation - is there a connection between you two? :-j i have nothing to defends myself... yet! I might be coincident.
i dont want to change my vote to either masq or (who ever the guy was protecting him).... I dont feel like working with a large crowd but always try to take a 3rd person point of view into a problem. Thats my personality. In fact, i dont want to change my vote until the last minutes unless im unsure about something.
surprisingly your, orgolove, first target are the people who are having minority votes after all the neutral post you have had. I remember each of these votes, except for jodogohoo's, has quite a reason and the voters have explain themself while u afk... Perhaps spending more times reading the older post would help you?...
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On October 12 2010 05:25 orgolove wrote: What I mean is, most people would not immediately vote for a guy just based on one suspicion. But indeed you were actually the one to cast your vote on him just two hours or so after the game started, based on that single suspicion. (??) that is actually the reason why i voted for him if u understood what i said earlier =.=.... Also i voted after i found out that you can change your vote anytime b4 night so i think its not a big deal ^^
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On October 12 2010 05:33 seRapH wrote: @NB i accused coag from the start because accusing people is a good way to get a reaction from them, and with that you can garner what you will. in this case, i believe the reaction i got from the terrorist is simply too shady to ignore. if he were a townie, he wouldn't be so much worried about getting lynched than hunting for the real reds. why should i accuse randomly instead of using the clues? because clues are very vague, and can be twisted every which way, i don't trust them.
if i were red, i'd stay low, until i know who i can accuse without attracting attention. i'd see that people thought masq was a good choice to accuse, and jump on that. or maybe masq was in my family and then i'd reserve my vote until someone else with a lot of votes not in my family comes up. everyone should be worried about getting lynched =.=.... you die => game over >.<.... and i dont trust you either
let me summaries: you inspected him as a test for his reaction? and i vote for you bc you are inspecting too early? and now that google spread guy is inspecting me since i voted for you? ~_~... wow thats confusing...
If you were red you would stay low.... hmmm, i dont know about that. This is my 1st time playing this game online but i think mostly this is the game of "power". The more Power you gain, the more people will listen to you and the more people will try to get rid of you... Balancing is the way to go who ever you are. (stating this fact will make me get killed most likely -.-)
again, most likely i will change my vote so w.e.
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On October 12 2010 05:48 deconduo wrote: Oh, and tonight I would recommend our ghosts be on the 'good' or veteran players. Considering how many new people we have in this game, the maf will probably attempt to take out the good players at the start, leaving an easy cleanup. Especially as the maf have 6KP combined tonight.
Off the top of my head, these are the people I've played with before, probably more than this though: pandain, southrawrea, bumatlarge, ~OpZ~, Bill Murray, LSB, thegilaboy absolutely agree but i suggest if you are a ghost, you should use your time reading the posts we have so far.... Protecting veteran is a right thing to do but what if they are M or V? it will cause double the harm...
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On October 12 2010 05:56 seRapH wrote:if you're a zombie then lynching you day 1 does zero harm. you should expect to lynch a green day 1, just by general probability and red interference. lynching reds day 1 is extremely lucky. lynching blues day 1 is not 1 vote does mean alot later on if M and V try to kill each others out.... Zombie is the happiest role that everyone should wish for (! ^__^) The power from nothingness
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On October 12 2010 06:09 Thegilaboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 06:04 Coagulation wrote:On October 12 2010 05:56 seRapH wrote:if you're a zombie then lynching you day 1 does zero harm. you should expect to lynch a green day 1, just by general probability and red interference. lynching reds day 1 is extremely lucky. lynching blues day 1 is not well fuck. I had no idea so what exactly is the point of being zombie then? everyone else gets actions and stuff to influence/control the game. and i get the cannon fodder role? lame. Not exactly. Zombies make up the bulk of the population, so they have the strongest voting power during the day. If you can get the Zombies rallied behind a cause, especially with the aid of some blues, town will get to vote whoever they want so long as they maintain their numbers. Also since there are so many townies, we have the greatest number of doing post analyses and clue analyses for our cause. lolol, what you stated there is the BASIC of any mafia games.... I believe veteran players are 2 step further than you to manipulate clues and analysis. If you have read manga such at "death note", "bakuman", "liar game" you should be able to see what is going on here.
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On October 12 2010 06:20 Thegilaboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 06:18 NB wrote:On October 12 2010 06:09 Thegilaboy wrote:On October 12 2010 06:04 Coagulation wrote:On October 12 2010 05:56 seRapH wrote:if you're a zombie then lynching you day 1 does zero harm. you should expect to lynch a green day 1, just by general probability and red interference. lynching reds day 1 is extremely lucky. lynching blues day 1 is not well fuck. I had no idea so what exactly is the point of being zombie then? everyone else gets actions and stuff to influence/control the game. and i get the cannon fodder role? lame. Not exactly. Zombies make up the bulk of the population, so they have the strongest voting power during the day. If you can get the Zombies rallied behind a cause, especially with the aid of some blues, town will get to vote whoever they want so long as they maintain their numbers. Also since there are so many townies, we have the greatest number of doing post analyses and clue analyses for our cause. lolol, what you stated there is the BASIC of any mafia games.... I believe veteran players are 2 step further than you to manipulate clues and analysis. If you have read manga such at "death note", "bakuman", "liar game" you should be able to see what is going on here. I'm trying to give the basics since he seems to be so unaware of how this game is played that I thought I'd lay down the foundation for him. I'm aware of how mafia games are played, I've played in plenty of them on and off this forum he has 1k9 posts for god shake.... its so clear that he is joking around.... =.= he cant possibly go around accusing people before reading the rules....
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On October 12 2010 06:29 Thegilaboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 06:25 NB wrote:On October 12 2010 06:20 Thegilaboy wrote:On October 12 2010 06:18 NB wrote:On October 12 2010 06:09 Thegilaboy wrote:On October 12 2010 06:04 Coagulation wrote:On October 12 2010 05:56 seRapH wrote:if you're a zombie then lynching you day 1 does zero harm. you should expect to lynch a green day 1, just by general probability and red interference. lynching reds day 1 is extremely lucky. lynching blues day 1 is not well fuck. I had no idea so what exactly is the point of being zombie then? everyone else gets actions and stuff to influence/control the game. and i get the cannon fodder role? lame. Not exactly. Zombies make up the bulk of the population, so they have the strongest voting power during the day. If you can get the Zombies rallied behind a cause, especially with the aid of some blues, town will get to vote whoever they want so long as they maintain their numbers. Also since there are so many townies, we have the greatest number of doing post analyses and clue analyses for our cause. lolol, what you stated there is the BASIC of any mafia games.... I believe veteran players are 2 step further than you to manipulate clues and analysis. If you have read manga such at "death note", "bakuman", "liar game" you should be able to see what is going on here. I'm trying to give the basics since he seems to be so unaware of how this game is played that I thought I'd lay down the foundation for him. I'm aware of how mafia games are played, I've played in plenty of them on and off this forum he has 1k9 posts for god shake.... its so clear that he is joking around.... =.= he cant possibly go around accusing people before reading the rules.... He has that many posts, but if you check his history this is his first mafia game, on TL at least. So yeah, even with 1900+ posts its possible someone has never played the game before ...NO! he joined TL in 2006, I joined TL in 2008 (i have multiple accounts that had been banned) and i have experienced enough. If you can face all the trolls and the fanboys after each BW games, you clearly have enough power to rule 4chan.
and why are you defending him... are you 2 trying to frame something up? ~_~
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On October 12 2010 08:36 aztrorisk wrote:Show nested quote +I agree with what jaminz says. in the post above mine, astro ignores older posts about how the brute will kill EVERYONE. I would say that the ghost probably shouldn't visit astro, since the risk is relatively high, and if he is lying, we would have gone through a lot of this stuff and ended up in a bad position. did you read my post about the worse scenarios for the everyone?!?!? man, just read it. Its not like I'm telling the ghost to save me. sorry man but none of your stuff making anysense... its like you go out there spending 10$ on 5 lottery tickets with an assumption that you will win every single one of them and go ahead call it a good investment b4 the result comes out.
In these last moments, i believe the deceive point is happening in the vote threads, not this one
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On October 12 2010 09:07 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 08:59 Hyperbola wrote:"He heard footsteps coming down the hall, assuming it was the deputy warden coming to do his rounds he didn't even look back but just absorbed himself in his book on zombie history. The door creaked open and the footsteps stopped. DoctorHelvetica looked back at the open doorway but saw no one.
"Hello? Who's there!?" he cried out, only to be greeted by the echo of his own tired voice. He walked nervously over to shut the door when he a large figure lunged through the doorway at him. DoctorHelvetica reached for his gun and shot the figure where his head should be but his bullet didn't seem to do anything to the shadowy figure"Doesn't this seem to remind you of a dt? like: Just putting that out there In that case, there are also several users with DT icons, which might be somewhat related. the icon does not count, its a flexible item in your profile page while the game rules require you to have a static profile
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On October 12 2010 11:15 aztrorisk wrote:Show nested quote +Can you idiots stop trying to make a town circle? There's 61 people. It's the first day. There's 22 non-townies.
Stop confusing yourselves and focus on the only matter at hand: Veldril or Masq. Ok, I will not say anything else if NOBODY and that means NOBODY replies to this remark. My final remark about the jack-o-latern in an attempt to not let my upcoming death go to waste. The ghost whoever you are. You have a decision that could greatly disadvantage or help the town. If you make the wrong decision, I assure you that you will regret it, dearly. I want you to make your decision to save me base on these to factors: 1. does the mafia think that your going to save me that they are willing to send a brute? 2. does the mafia think that your not coming that they will send a mere killer. please consider these two factors and hopefully, based on the tone of everyone, you'll be able to find the right answer. is it just me or this post "forgot" that Vampire can also kill 3 people... is he assuming that Vampires wont kill him?....
also dont try to scared our newb ghost :3... he is cute and he shall do what evar he feels like too ^_^! also remind me why mafia wana kill YOU that badly?
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On October 12 2010 13:02 Bill Murray wrote: i feel like dancing to thriller go play plant vs zombie xD... that game is cute :3
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since quickstriker re-appeared, lets discuss about the fact that 2 part of his name both appear inside the clue: "quickly" and "strike" ^^
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i need to be mia for while (less than 24 hours) due to hw issue, i will try to post but not as much as u have seen.
I would be really sad if we have a blue lynch so please consider your vote carefully
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just a piece of information, Bill did pm me earlier :D
i agree on pandain
----------------------------------------- Original Message From NB: you, orgo, jodo and panda... im studying atm so stop pm me =.=
----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: who are you suspicious of?
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that happened b4 he voted for pandain xD
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On October 13 2010 06:47 Pandain wrote:Yum Yum voting Heaven on Earth unless he speaks more. yum yum possible clues in profile include:"Break every bone in your face" "The cooler weather makes me unspeakably happy..." Note Qatol also died at midnight, so of course he would laugh manically since its cooler weather. his album in his profile is by a finnish death metal band. The second song is called "songs of the storm." this is only semi plausible. Show nested quote + "Can you hear it? The wind is speaking. It's telling me to do bad things. Very bad things."
i really think thats a clue, i don't know whether it relates to him though. I think mad scientist should check whether that is a clue. "A coffin made of your deceptions" there are numerous references to the "oh my gosh, my mind are playing tricks on me", and then they end up dead. Also his only post is useless, as he just gathers up the posts of a person. Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 19:29 HeavOnEarth wrote:Wow after reading the thread I am thoroughly convinced we may have a mafia/vampire kill on day 1- Veldril. Nice work spotting him Bill + Show Spoiler [veldril's posts] +On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote: Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
On October 11 2010 15:03 Veldril wrote: Hey, he's killed by a dagger not sword, lol. And if you buy enough knives then you can literally pierce a person at every spot. On October 11 2010 15:08 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:04 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 14:50 Lucktar wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 oddo123 wrote: Veldril's public profile:
My body is made out of swords. I have a blood of Fire and a heart of Glass. I have fought through countless battles. Never once retreating. Never once being victorious. The bearer lies here alone, forging iron on the hill of swords.
But my life needs no meaning. My whole life was made out of unlimited swords. Regarding Incognito's death: As he turned the corner around a bookshelf a dagger pierced his heart. As he died he could feel cold steel pierce his body from every direction, ending his life cruelly. Body made of swords is the only thing I've found so far that seems to relate to this bit. This is a quote from archer from FSN. Archer had the power to make a reality marble which twists the surrounding to recreate his mind. In that reality marble, he can make any sword and as much swords as he desire hence it being called Unlimited Blade Works. It can be interpreted that "he could feel cold steel peirce his body from every direction" as having thousands of swords pierce his body. Actually this is from his younger self one. But in this game I would like to be the one in my profile picture more, lol. On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote: Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote: Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. On October 11 2010 15:40 Veldril wrote:Oh and by Mafia/Vampire deflecting blame in the first point of my previous post is that if they are lucky, they could kill other side too. For Mafia/Vampire, I think they don't care much about who dies in the first couple of days/nights as long as it's not on their side. Townie dies mean they have less choice to make in the next cycle and if they can force townie to vote to kill the other side, then that would make them even have more profit. Oh and I don't say that Masq is surely not a killer. I just think we need to look further for other clues too before accusing him solely. But he's one of the suspects though. (Maybe I need a ghost in the first night ). On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: Show nested quote +Clues: During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind. That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote: Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote: Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? On October 12 2010 00:46 Veldril wrote: Oh and Bill, I concluded that you are experienced player because you participated in many Mafia game before. You even hosted a game. I checked your post history. On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote: My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. On October 12 2010 03:14 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:09 CubEdIn wrote:On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote: My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. Not that it's very relevant, but you couldn't get 7 kills on vampire or mafia since they know who they are and would not use their 3 kills on their own team. So tops would be 4 kills on one side and 3 kills on the other, which wouldn't be TOO bad. It would make the game fairly interesting, since all sides gain from killing the other sides, so it would still be fairly even in terms of Mafia vs Vampires, but the Townies would have the advantage. As for masq, as I said in the beginning, it may not be the smartest thing to go on with such an obvious clue, but then again what other options do we have? Really, no other clues come close to this in my opinion. If we find someone who's more likely, then I'd gladly change my vote. Oh yeah, I miscounted and forgot about that. Thanks for a reminder and correction. On October 12 2010 03:50 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:On October 12 2010 02:47 Veldril wrote: Vote on Bill Murray. This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk: aztorisk wrote: I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.
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I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased
----------------------------------------- Original Message From aztrorisk: Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.
----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: vote with me on veldril then
----------------------------------------- Original Message From aztrorisk: hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:
The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating. You can accuse me as much as you like. That doesn't refute my point I made earlier about you. Oh and nice about forcing Aztorisk to vote me by publishing the PM. On October 12 2010 04:00 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:58 NB wrote: Talking about M or V... they will want to get rid of the most "reasonable" person who has the most "power posts" in the first night... So The ghost should be protecting the most influential person we having here.
hmm, how do you type in color? only mods can do that? type (blue) message (/blue) but replacing () with [] Example: blue green red On October 12 2010 04:07 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: Clues: During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind. That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote: Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote: Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? my logic is more like this: you said "as mafia, i would defend someone" you said so AFTER defending someone therefore, it is possible you are mafia with them the fact you are squirming and attacking my logic, while calling me an experienced player claiming I have a hidden agenda (which I don't and it's a fucking straight out lie), is making me really really want you to be lynched. You are pretty good for a newbie. Your logic is better than mine. My logic sucks. I don't give a fuck if my logic sucks, though, you have made many fucking mistakes. You are mafia. You are either mafia or a vampire, and I'm going to get you lynched. Sorry. Hmmm, fair enough. You have your points spoken and that's fine for me. Well, maybe I jumped my conclusion that "experienced player = player familiar with logic" so if that's not true then my argument would be unsound. But since we really don't know is it true or not, we could just left it for others to decide. On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:16 orgolove wrote:https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=htmlSo far we have a few people who have had several tells. These may not be conclusive, but just putting it out there: jodogohoo-"what is mafia" pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day Masq-apart from profile matching the clue, immediately agreed with Veldril when defended aztrorisk-strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when his hammer profile pic was mentioned Bill Murray-happy to kill coagulation/masq, posted PMs with aztorisk (!!!) - untrustworthy? And we can see that most of the votes are against these few. Now, I don't understand the following votes: ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30) seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29) coagulation - 3 - seRapH, deconduo, jcarlsoniv - (L-28) These votes can't be explained by the newbie logic of "he voted for me, so I'm voting for him" What's interesting to note is, seraph accused coagulation, then NB and coagulation voted Seraph back. Also, I haven't seen jcarlsoniv or deconduo post in this thread, only in the voting thread. These might be from the same faction- I dunno... Deconduo has posted once. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=17#327 On October 12 2010 04:30 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:28 deconduo wrote:On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote:On October 12 2010 04:16 orgolove wrote:https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=htmlSo far we have a few people who have had several tells. These may not be conclusive, but just putting it out there: jodogohoo-"what is mafia" pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day Masq-apart from profile matching the clue, immediately agreed with Veldril when defended aztrorisk-strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when his hammer profile pic was mentioned Bill Murray-happy to kill coagulation/masq, posted PMs with aztorisk (!!!) - untrustworthy? And we can see that most of the votes are against these few. Now, I don't understand the following votes: ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30) seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29) coagulation - 3 - seRapH, deconduo, jcarlsoniv - (L-28) These votes can't be explained by the newbie logic of "he voted for me, so I'm voting for him" What's interesting to note is, seraph accused coagulation, then NB and coagulation voted Seraph back. Also, I haven't seen jcarlsoniv or deconduo post in this thread, only in the voting thread. These might be from the same faction- I dunno... Deconduo has posted once. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=17#327 Twice actually, and I will be picking up a bit if I can. Ah I see, seems to miss your post. Anyway, off to sleep now since it's night here in Asia. On October 12 2010 19:02 Veldril wrote: It seems most people are out for my blood now.
I feel like now when I try to defend or propose something up, most people will come up with even more excuses to vote me. It seems I really made a grudge with Bill Murray, since he's the most vocal to get me killed. I don't really understand why you would want me to get lynched so badly. I would shift a vote off you if you have explain the reason why do you think "defending others" would mean "Red defends Red".
Also, I feel that either me or Masq get lynched, it would not be a good situation for Townie or me at all. If Masq get lynched and turn out to be red, people would still suspect me and that could hurt townie since they would spend their focus on me being red and I would still get fried. If Masq turn out to be green, I don't think some people will let me go free without discrediting me, therefore I could not make impact in the future day/night.
However, if I get lynched today, it would be a game over. It may seems cowardice but I will have to vote for Masq to save myself. I just wish that Masq indeed turns out to be green.
claims hes thoroughly convinced we MAY have a mafia/vamp. What kind of sentence is that? Also tries to indirectly gain town cred for Bill, who I'm suscipcious of because he always seems scummy to me and the numerous references to drunkeness in the day post. Compare that with his quote: "Sobriety is a sin whose destruction ought be perused without abandon." you have a good point there... unfortunately i dont think there is anyone other than masq or verd being lynch today... =.=
they got majority of the votes already :<
Also, You should have read the posts of Bill and others (including me) accusing you. Its an interesting fact that you are not trying to defend yourself but instead focusing somebody who has only post ONCE in this thread
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by "verd" i mean Veld... spelling error T_T
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On October 13 2010 06:53 CubEdIn wrote: Ok, one final post to strengthen my position, since we're rapidly approaching end of day one and it seems that it's either Masq or Veldril:
1. Don't you find it weird that people who have been quiet, yet voted, are stacking up on Veldril?
2. If you're sure about Veldril, then keep your vote, but please think about what I said for 5 minutes. What happens if the kill (be it Vel or Masq) is NOT Mafia or Vampire. What would that tell us about the other?
Obviously, if we kill either, and they ARE in fact M/V, then the other will die as well. Easy PZ. But think of the alternatives, what if they're not?
If we kill Veldril, and he's not M/V, then we know NOTHING about masq (because of lack of posts). If we kill Masq, we still have Veldril's behaviour to judge him on. Have you thought that if we lynching Veld today and he turns out to be a green, Masq has more chance to be a M/V?
Even though he does not post much, the possibility that Masq is framing Veld is not 0. It happens at the moment when he agree with Veld's protection post....
What does this means? this means that if 1 of them die by lynching, there is a pretty high chance the other will die by KP of M/V no matter what is the result of lynching. And if he(the one who is not being lynched on day1) survived through night1... The only conclusion i could give you is that our ghost is protecting a red...
Those above are my "prediction"... Dont listen to it if you think i have gone crazy with my HW T_T
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On October 13 2010 07:08 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 07:02 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 06:53 CubEdIn wrote: Ok, one final post to strengthen my position, since we're rapidly approaching end of day one and it seems that it's either Masq or Veldril:
1. Don't you find it weird that people who have been quiet, yet voted, are stacking up on Veldril?
2. If you're sure about Veldril, then keep your vote, but please think about what I said for 5 minutes. What happens if the kill (be it Vel or Masq) is NOT Mafia or Vampire. What would that tell us about the other?
Obviously, if we kill either, and they ARE in fact M/V, then the other will die as well. Easy PZ. But think of the alternatives, what if they're not?
If we kill Veldril, and he's not M/V, then we know NOTHING about masq (because of lack of posts). If we kill Masq, we still have Veldril's behaviour to judge him on. Have you thought that if we lynching Veld today and he turns out to be a green, Masq has more chance to be a M/V? Even though he does not post much, the possibility that Masq is framing Veld is not 0. It happens at the moment when he agree with Veld's protection post.... What does this means? this means that if 1 of them die by lynching, there is a pretty high chance the other will die by KP of M/V no matter what is the result of lynching. And if he(the one who is not being lynched on day1) survived through night1... The only conclusion i could give you is that our ghost is protecting a red... Those above are my "prediction"... Dont listen to it if you think i have gone crazy with my HW T_T Yes, I thought about that, but it's a bit of a long shot. I don't think you'll convince many people to vote for Masq on day 2 if Veldril is green. Especially if he's Count/GF and he fakes his role for detective, he might live for the rest of the game. Instead, given Veldril's posts, he would still be suspected even if Masq turns out to be green. More so than vice-versa. My 2 cents. lolol detective count LOLOL...
if the detective check the count and see a detective, he should know who is who right? xD i believe both count and gf should be bomber, no one dare to kill him late game ...
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On October 13 2010 07:24 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 07:20 CubEdIn wrote:On October 13 2010 07:17 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 07:08 CubEdIn wrote:On October 13 2010 07:02 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 06:53 CubEdIn wrote: Ok, one final post to strengthen my position, since we're rapidly approaching end of day one and it seems that it's either Masq or Veldril:
1. Don't you find it weird that people who have been quiet, yet voted, are stacking up on Veldril?
2. If you're sure about Veldril, then keep your vote, but please think about what I said for 5 minutes. What happens if the kill (be it Vel or Masq) is NOT Mafia or Vampire. What would that tell us about the other?
Obviously, if we kill either, and they ARE in fact M/V, then the other will die as well. Easy PZ. But think of the alternatives, what if they're not?
If we kill Veldril, and he's not M/V, then we know NOTHING about masq (because of lack of posts). If we kill Masq, we still have Veldril's behaviour to judge him on. Have you thought that if we lynching Veld today and he turns out to be a green, Masq has more chance to be a M/V? Even though he does not post much, the possibility that Masq is framing Veld is not 0. It happens at the moment when he agree with Veld's protection post.... What does this means? this means that if 1 of them die by lynching, there is a pretty high chance the other will die by KP of M/V no matter what is the result of lynching. And if he(the one who is not being lynched on day1) survived through night1... The only conclusion i could give you is that our ghost is protecting a red... Those above are my "prediction"... Dont listen to it if you think i have gone crazy with my HW T_T Yes, I thought about that, but it's a bit of a long shot. I don't think you'll convince many people to vote for Masq on day 2 if Veldril is green. Especially if he's Count/GF and he fakes his role for detective, he might live for the rest of the game. Instead, given Veldril's posts, he would still be suspected even if Masq turns out to be green. More so than vice-versa. My 2 cents. lolol detective count LOLOL... if the detective check the count and see a detective, he should know who is who right? xD i believe both count and gf should be bomber, no one dare to kill him late game ... No, you misunderstood. I meant, if Masq is voted Count/GF AND fakes his role in case they're being investigated by detective (and of course fake a blue role). I don't think you can be count/gf AND detective. i dont think NB realizes that there could be multiple detectives. WHAT???? mod confirm please.... how many people we have for each role...???? >< If we have more than 1, we clearly should make some sort of "detective communication" method xD
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DUDE! Im assuming that we have 30 grim reapers and 1 ghost.... LOLOLOL
some people have pm-ed me and ask if this is a role-claiming post: NO!
I did put thought on it before i post so dont worry Treat it as a joke only! Thing about how fun+hillarious+broken it is if we have 36 kills in the first night =)) (assuming notthing is overlapping xD)
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On October 13 2010 08:11 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 13 2010 08:05 meeple wrote:On October 13 2010 07:43 Pandain wrote: @host: If, supposedly, there is a red herring, would it show up as a clue anyway?
As far as I know... there will be no deliberate red herrings... although people should keep in mind that the clues are meant to be vague enough to ensure different interpretations There may or may not be deliberately misleading information in day posts. The mad scientist is the only role able to confirm whether or not a section of the day post contains a legitimate clue or not. I want everyone who voted Veldril to change their vote ASAP unless they pm me a reason, or state so in thread. I'd prefer Masq do to. We got this. However, stay on until the end would be preffered in the unlikely case we don't have enough time why-should-we-trust-you?
you are in almost "everysingle" inspecting list that people listed out.... ~_~
also, the post that i mead earlier about 30 reapers and 1 ghost, please treat it as a joke instead of a role claim post. I did put some thought b4 i post that one ^^
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On October 13 2010 08:21 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:19 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 08:11 Pandain wrote:On October 13 2010 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 13 2010 08:05 meeple wrote:On October 13 2010 07:43 Pandain wrote: @host: If, supposedly, there is a red herring, would it show up as a clue anyway?
As far as I know... there will be no deliberate red herrings... although people should keep in mind that the clues are meant to be vague enough to ensure different interpretations There may or may not be deliberately misleading information in day posts. The mad scientist is the only role able to confirm whether or not a section of the day post contains a legitimate clue or not. I want everyone who voted Veldril to change their vote ASAP unless they pm me a reason, or state so in thread. I'd prefer Masq do to. We got this. However, stay on until the end would be preffered in the unlikely case we don't have enough time why-should-we-trust-you? you are in almost "everysingle" inspecting list that people listed out.... ~_~ also, the post that i mead earlier about 30 reapers and 1 ghost, please treat it as a joke instead of a role claim post. I did put some thought b4 i post that one ^^ that argument can be used for everything. Tell me a reason why or stay silent. Remember: I spam when I want things done. all im seeing from your action is that you are trying to save both of masq ans Veld by telling people to target heartonheaven (a nobody who only posted 1 post in this thread, what if he is a newb?).... and you willing to "spam" and scarifying masq to save Veldril.
the fact that 1 of them is being lynched tonight is undeniable if you take into account that a lot of people who already voted for 1 of them will be afk for the rest of the day. If you want to save 1 of them so bad, give us a proof on his innocent and it better be a damn good proof. What ever you are doing right now and what ever the result of lynching tonight, i believe we better keep a good eyes on your posts from now on...
+ Show Spoiler +what you are doing right now, it is very identical to veld at the beginning which is the main reason why he is being lynched...
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Also im playing this game under an impression of 1 player 1 account. Smurf should result a rest in the game after the IP check.
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On October 13 2010 09:18 orgolove wrote:Oh, and I did fix anything people pointed out. Doesn't mean I'm going to remove things just because someone doesn't like it though i agree that you have your right but a few "wordings" would lead to miss understand later on. I think you should keep the information but fix the word "defending". I dont use that spreadsheet of yours so i personally dont care... Just wana say that the guy got his point.
People... please noticed how many times pandain is trying to avoid to explain himself.....
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nevermind on the pandain part, he posted while i was thinking and composing my post =.=
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Question about the game: Franky: if he die 1st time, will be be aware about it? will anyone else know that he only has 1 life left? lynching cost him 2 life or 1?
I requires the number of people could have for each roles. What i mean is for Example: GF = 1 Count = 1 zombie = 0 ->31 Frank = 0 ->31???????????? DTs = 0-31? ...
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On the case of that Heaven on earth guy, i think you have to re consider your logic... assuming he is a red, that kid has 1 SINGLE POST... he has no power what so ever and possibly just a newb. That type of player should has nothing to worry about: unless he start talking. Im quite sure he will be 1 of the bandwagon players which normally happen alot in any mafia games.
If he is a green/blue and he got lynched=> you are screwed. Not to mention the chance of him being a green/blue over red is higher (31/61, cmon).
The way you are proving he is red also making no-sense: 1st of all it was his 1st post and to newb, it common to see stupid non-sense posts. 2ndly, u were using clue. Now clue is something really UNRELIABLE when we have FREAKING 61 players...
about masq vs veld: i think they are both dying soon, 1 by lynching and 1 by M/V since they think the survivor is belonged to the other team. Its not like saving Veld will make him alive. Also you could see that under this pressure, Veld has stopped to post. Thats clearly not something a good player will do so i dont think his value is that much.
----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: I WILL die if im not protected.
I didn't protect both of them, if anything I "protected" Vendril to the extent that I pointed out that Heaven on earth was a better choice and masq is a better choice than vendril. However, since I wasn't able to muster enough votes for heaven on earth I revoted for masq.
----------------------------------------- Original Message From NB: Saying that does not make you a scum but what if they happen to lynch a red today? You are the one who protecting BOTH of them... even if the one they lynch today is green/blue, the other still could be red and their opinions on you wont change.
Now i dont trust you yet but i just dont wana see a "reasonable" players to remove himself out of the game so quickly.... Not even counting you could be a target for M/V KP tonight
GL man!
----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: I already gave up on that, I was hoping that enough people would be as active at viewing this thread as I am. I suppose I have too much free time.
If I feel like one canidate is better than another, I will speak my mind. That is THE pro town thing to do.
Saying that makes me scum is false, and you should rethink that.
Also I need to calm down, even though I'm not yelling, I'm getting naturally agressive. Yum yum does not like that.
----------------------------------------- Original Message From NB: The true that either masq or veld being lynched tonight is undeniable. if you are a green/blue the best way to solve this is prepare for after damage. Instead you went a head and accused a guy who has 1 post in the thread and "protect" both veld and masq. I have to agree that you are now on the top nomination for lynching award day2.
No matter what is you speaking right now, true or false, it will be like Galileo vs the Church and since this is a survival game, scarifying yourself for the truth is not always a good choice considering you seeing yourself as a "helpful" townie.
----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: i don't know what i have to defend myself for.
I already asked what im being accused of in thread, no on eresponded.
just to make thing clear and make sure that this pm wont face against me in the future, i publicizing it :D
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On October 13 2010 09:53 NB wrote: Question about the game: Franky: if he die 1st time, will be be aware about it? will anyone else know that he only has 1 life left? lynching cost him 2 life or 1?
I requires the number of people could have for each roles. What i mean is for Example: GF = 1 Count = 1 zombie = 0 ->31 Frank = 0 ->31???????????? DTs = 0-31? ... host, would you like me to pm this to you or you can answer this on the thread?
also about red's roles, could they have more than 1 person for each role? i mean 5 invisible men ect?
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On October 13 2010 11:30 Bill Murray wrote: shut the fuck up let them decide on their own we need a town circle town circle? WHO ARE YOU REMOVING FROM THE CIRCLE? i always thought that we already have a town circle right here in this thread? ~_~...
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On October 13 2010 11:35 Bill Murray wrote: we only have an hour and a half before night we need to coordinate we need to start a town circle we need a leader, and that leader is me we need me to step up to the plate, but you all have to let me do this I dont like the fact that there is a chance that my leader is a red.... it just gona screw everything up like a horror movie: The count is the town's eldest T_T....
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On October 13 2010 11:39 Bill Murray wrote: roleclaim to me i already have two claims in if i were you, i would inspect those 2 as V spy and M spy =))... so fast
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On October 13 2010 11:52 Coagulation wrote: PANDAIN IS MAFIA BILL IS VAMPIRE
new pair of masq veld on day2? lmao =))
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I see what you did there bill. Basically your town right now will contain spies and innocent votes. what does this mean is that Bill now owns more than 1 vote and his power level is increasing. The fact that if there is any "good" players who try to join the town circle and try to manipulate people from the inside out, that one must be a spy since only tards would join in that group.
Nice move Billy
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lolol, im a genius! IIRC solved our problem
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On October 13 2010 12:32 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 12:30 NB wrote:lolol, im a genius! IIRC solved our problem "if i remember correctly solved our problem"?? problem of flaming and bm ... non game-related ^^
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On October 13 2010 12:40 Bill Murray wrote: someone on their fucking took my name and claimed vampire that is fucking bullshit as i said, everything which is posted in http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=HauntedMafia#
should not be count as a part of the game... in fact use it as a way to relax ^__^
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On October 13 2010 12:53 jodogohoo wrote:town is sooo fucked lol either we have town playing fucking for the other team, or the mafia i just rofl stomping us in the face. since my post shit has actually GONE WORSE... jesus christ Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 15:50 jodogohoo wrote: i was actually going to recommend someone do a post count check =) so kudos to you lol
but right now we need to stop screwing around =( if your a townie and your spamming like a retard "cough cough" you need to stop, not only are cluttering up the thread prevent discussion, people who want to help will probably be intimidated by the huge amount of posts and refrain from analysis..
we also need to get back on track with the clues and posting pattern. we have some suspects but we should question some more people and actually have them reply back. right now there is so much shit going on people can just dodge questions
so simply put, if you are a townie, stop fucking posting garbage, your are detrimental to the team. Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 16:08 jodogohoo wrote:On October 12 2010 16:01 jodogohoo wrote: neos, yogy have voted for a lynch on masq kenpachi, grandmoose have voted for a lynch on veldril
very suspicious in my opinion. i feel like they are newbie reds told to keep low by some more experienced reds but also told to vote for specific people early on as to not have to vote near the end, which is also suspicious. and they also voted for the people who may be on the opposing red fraction... or something @_@ not entirely sure if my deductions are clear, but the idea is there, hopefully someone will be able to take what i said and state it in a more concise statement so perhaps if we switch the lynch targets to one of those 4 we might get some very interesting results there are either some really fucking stupid townies that need to grow the fuck up, or we have some reds clearly fucking with us. Either way we need to kill these idiots whether or not they are town or red examples would be BILL MURRAY, PANDAIN, ect... Glasse, idk.. just fucking everyone at this point what does this all mean? the town is fucked in the ass so hard right now, we need bill murray dead regardless of his role 1st time in this thread i think jodo gspeak "logic" :D agree
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On October 13 2010 12:57 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 12:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 13 2010 12:47 Bill Murray wrote:On October 13 2010 12:46 aztrorisk wrote: what does trolling mean? I gone through this whole game and I have no idea what that means. trolling has nothing to do with mafia. It is just an internet term... unless you're bloodyc0bbler. Lets keep the insults on players not in the game out of the game. Thats always a good policy. Well, you get what you give chief you troll me when you're not even in the game you trolled the game i was fucking modding in my HP mafia. Want me to quote some of that? again Bill, that is not game-related stuff but personal stuff between you 2. please keep your calm and handle things through PM or MSN
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HOLY FUCK! 1 Vamp kill LOLOLOL
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so i believe what we have for day2 is Bill vs Panda and lynch or not lynching Veld?
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On October 13 2010 13:21 Bill Murray wrote: I need medic protection because I am a Jack'o'Lantern. I just sort of gave myself away with my above post, so I feel the need to claim now. Sorry, town, I have failed you. hmm... so there are 3 JoLs??? @_@... i remember panda and somebody has already claimed it earlier
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omg, Bill, you made me laugh so hard =))
i mean clearly bill and panda are 2 biggest target for the brute atm since ghosts are comign for them. If i were a ghost, i would go and protect somebody else instead of going there and killed by the stupid brute =))
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i like the idea of not stacking ghost: each of you tail a New Player and hold on to them tonight. The chance of 1 of the new players being killed is almost 0%
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On October 13 2010 13:44 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 13:42 NB wrote: i like the idea of not stacking ghost: each of you tail a New Player and hold on to them tonight. The chance of 1 of the new players being killed is almost 0% exactly, why would you want to waste it. Medics want to protect people. Vampire brute will in all liklihood not be used. However, just to be sure I'm asking DT NOT to check me this night, prefferably next night or after. its not wasting but saving! it just like you have money and you wana invest it now or you wana save it later? Ghost is a very good role and the more we have late game, the stronger we are. There is no point to waste them early on people who has not been role-checked.
In fact: i just look over on mafia and Vamp abilities once more time:
Mafia: mind fuck shit, they can do almost anything now since Vamp is down 1 => they shall lay low and frame people with invisible man => Clue day 2 cannot be trusted >.< Vamp: They have 2 choice: target lowbies to stay safe OR kill power posters (people who post a lot without spaming). the more likely is killing power posters....
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On October 13 2010 13:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 13:44 Pandain wrote:On October 13 2010 13:42 NB wrote: i like the idea of not stacking ghost: each of you tail a New Player and hold on to them tonight. The chance of 1 of the new players being killed is almost 0% exactly, why would you want to waste it. Medics want to protect people. Vampire brute will in all liklihood not be used. However, just to be sure I'm asking DT NOT to check me this night, prefferably next night or after. I agree with you here Pandain. The new players probably won't be killed. So, if a ghost protects them, it would just be a wasted blue. The chances of the brute being used tonight are slim, but who knows? The brute will be more powerful when it can take out a higher percentage of the players. Now, it WOULD suck if the ghosts stacked, but only because that's one less person who will be protected. But I do not fear the brute too much tonight. well, thats our suggestions... Its not like we can decided or anything =.=. all im hoping is our ghost stay alive ^__^...
so BM modkill :< dang! Now things change a little bit -,-... should we protect the new player who is replacing him or not? I mean we lost 1 "power poster" doesnt mean that we should protect his role... If its not Bill, there is no point on protecting that new kid right?
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On October 13 2010 14:26 aztrorisk wrote:Show nested quote +It was a fun little experiment - data driven analysis. But it's far too much work for one person, especially on a 60 person game. I give up. My need for acceptance from people I don't know forces me to post this: Poll: Who is the Sexiest Player this game?Doctor H (10) 45% Other (6) 27% AzTroRisK of course (2) 9% meeple (1) 5% Coagulation (1) 5% pandain (1) 5% Bill Murray (1) 5% Glasse (0) 0% Vendril (0) 0% orgolove (0) 0% 22 total votes Your vote: Who is the Sexiest Player this game? (Vote): AzTroRisK of course (Vote): meeple (Vote): Doctor H (Vote): Coagulation (Vote): Glasse (Vote): pandain (Vote): Other (Vote): Vendril (Vote): orgolove (Vote): Bill Murray
this poll is the poll of death. if the sexiest player is not dying (not counting host) by KP tonight... i suggest we give him a close look for lynching position :3
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On October 13 2010 14:37 Divinek wrote:can you spoiler massive poll posts plz sorry man but you CANNOT edit your post... i already got 1 warning, dont bait me =.=
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On October 13 2010 14:41 YummyBlaBla wrote: Let's try to get some discussion going...
We know that Masq = Vampire How certain are we that Veldir is also vampire? If he is, will the Mafia kill him off? What happens if they don't? Will we lynch Veldir the next day or base our lynch on day 2's post?
I say we are 99.99% certain that Veldir is vampire. Even if the mafia leaves him alone after the night, we should let him survive the lynch to let the mafia deal with him sooner or later, while we target the new clues.
i quite disagree! the fact that Vampire is down 1 means mafia will kill more townies than they want to kill Vamp.
Remember that town will win if 8 M/V dies plus if 1 vamp already down, killing 2 more vamps will reduce their KP to 2. What does this mean is that Vamp will focus mafia down to balance out the force, mafia will try to reduce townies number b4 touch vamp and towm wana kill vamps to reduce their KP.
but i have to agree on your point that 80% Veldir is a vamp.
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On October 13 2010 15:06 YummyBlaBla wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 14:59 Glasse wrote: I feel like you guys saying they will go for veldril are all wrong. Wouldnt it be smarter of them to keep the vamps with more kp while they know who one of them is? From what i understand they need to have the number of town ppl low as well so he will probably go unharmed, while we may have to vote him off or something like that. I'm not saying they will. They will have to eventually to win. I say our good play for day 2 would be sparing Veldril for someone else who is number 1 on our suspicious list. We don't need to lynch Veldril because we know he's vampire. It would be wasting our kill of the day. No! read my post!
I am quite sure that veldir will remain untouched. Reducing number of reds is so BAD for both M/V since town most likely will win. think about it, if M kill Veldir they also lose 1 "clear target" that they can save for later kill points.
If Veldir is safe night1, he will have 80% of my vote. If Veldir is safe night 1 + 1 vamp got killed => he got 100% of my vote. If he is dead => reset :<
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also i have to reconsider the fact why 2 townies wana let a Vamp live when they clearly know what he is.... Coagulation and YummyBlaBla, you 2 will be on my list. If i happen to die tonight. please consider Coagulation and YummyBlaBla as the next target T_T
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On October 13 2010 15:24 YummyBlaBla wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 15:16 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 15:06 YummyBlaBla wrote:On October 13 2010 14:59 Glasse wrote: I feel like you guys saying they will go for veldril are all wrong. Wouldnt it be smarter of them to keep the vamps with more kp while they know who one of them is? From what i understand they need to have the number of town ppl low as well so he will probably go unharmed, while we may have to vote him off or something like that. I'm not saying they will. They will have to eventually to win. I say our good play for day 2 would be sparing Veldril for someone else who is number 1 on our suspicious list. We don't need to lynch Veldril because we know he's vampire. It would be wasting our kill of the day. No! read my post! I am quite sure that veldir will remain untouched. Reducing number of reds is so BAD for both M/V since town most likely will win. think about it, if M kill Veldir they also lose 1 "clear target" that they can save for later kill points. If Veldir is safe night1, he will have 80% of my vote. If Veldir is safe night 1 + 1 vamp got killed => he got 100% of my vote. If he is dead => reset :< I think I see where you're getting at. 6 random kills by M/V tonight If Mafia messes up and kills a vampire (not Veldir) by luck, we 100% lynch Veldir to decrease vampire kill count. I think if a vampire doesn't die, we should save Veldir until day 3and hope mafia kills a random vampire in night 2. so why dont we just go a head and lynch Veldir on day 2 no matter what? i mean i wont decrease the random chance of mafia killing at least 1 Vamp?... seriously dont understand why you want to let Veld live on day2 so much... are you Vamp who is trying to protect your kp?...
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On October 13 2010 16:33 Coagulation wrote:list of people who have defended masq + velNBShow nested quote +On October 12 2010 02:09 NB wrote: I have a feeling that the more votes we have for masq, the deeper we are falling into a trap... The only reason i would vote for him right now is beacause he "seem" to have a teammate who is "Veldrill" I would like to defend myself here: this is more like a neutral statement stating the fact that the "clue" is not relating to masq. This happened AFTER DrH told be that clues do not point exactly into the role but into players profile and i did misunderstood that as a "protecting statement" toward masq JoL picture.
Again, i will KEEP my point on lynching Veld if he stay alive after night 1. It will help us reduce number of KP from red from 6 to 5 asap and that is HUGE for townies early game.
Also: we should stop discussing on this and back to "what the blue should do 2night"???
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On October 14 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It is 8 vampires AND 8 mafia that must die, not 8 combined vampires/mafia. holyshit, this is mind blown.... WOW, THIS GAME IS HARD T_T
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On October 14 2010 05:00 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 04:19 NB wrote:On October 14 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It is 8 vampires AND 8 mafia that must die, not 8 combined vampires/mafia. holyshit, this is mind blown.... WOW, THIS GAME IS HARD T_T 8 total wouldn't really make much sense considering in order for the scum to win, they have to kill of 10 or 11 of the opposing faction so that would cause the town win condition to be reached first (unless the scum outnumbered the town of course) no, with 6 KP each night for red, if you caculate it statisticly, im quite sure Red still has more chance to win if 8 is needed. The main problem is DTs and grims do not know who is who so information and killer got separated.
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On October 14 2010 10:02 KhrisKruel wrote:Hey guys sorry I missed out on day 1. I didn't have access to the thread. I'm quite amazed we got a scum on day 1, but then again I'm not used to clue dynamics. I'm catching up now and I'm on page 13. I thought I'd share this nice gem with you guys that I noticed. Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote: Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Let me clarify: Let me clarify more: Let me clarify 3 more times: I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm looking for vampires AND mafia...anyone have thoughts on this? well he used the coffin reference.... and bill has been modkilled already....
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i have an idea..... assuming brute is not being used tonight, we should stack ghost into 1 person and let the bogeyman see all the ghost... I didnt put much thought on that one but wana know what do you guys think?
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sr people... im really busy with my role in UWaterloo CSL team atm... i will post tmr :<
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just a quick question: is it ok for me to modified my profile page now?... i wana change something ^^
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