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On October 12 2010 10:13 LSB wrote:How about this. We kill the Vampire Brute. Then we do the plan. Kapish? The plan for reference. Back in Mafia XXX. Note, in Mafia XXX there was no watcher, but it still worked due to the combination of trackers, and the fact that Xelin visited people. + Show Spoiler +On August 09 2010 03:26 LSB wrote:As for a random number, I got 10, XeliN. Here are the instructions for the plan + Show Spoiler +On August 07 2010 23:17 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:40 Divinek wrote:On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Current Version of LSB Plan
We pick a THIS GUY.
All watchers watch him. All detectives check him. All medics prot him. All trackers track him.
Bus drivers and vigis stay away. Hatters probably stay away, too.
If a blue's action went through (no waxing) they will expect a PM from a watcher.
If no PMs are sent, there is no watcher or watcher was waxed.
If a blue gets one PM, then that is the real watcher unless the unlikely event of the watcher being waxed (mafia can possibly claim waxed watcher).
If a green gets a PM they can come forward - they are nosy neighbor or mafia is faking. If no greens come forward we are probably doing good.
If a blue that didn't act on THIS GUY gets a PM, we have a surefire mafia.
If no one steps forward seeing shenanigans for say, 24 hours. We can have watcher step forward - no one else comes forward we can protect them with bus. If more than one step forward, a blue can use pm evidence to out them if they are fake, maybe a DT can use a mouth they've confirmed (look for mafia to use an innocent as a mouth here, or maybe a mafia as a mouth like rastaban/sr last game). but how do we set up a real circle when the role blocker gets in there Okay, I will make an extreamly extended version of my plan PROBLEMS: The watcher has to be smart. If the watcher is dumb/inactive, the plan fails Day 1 We agree to this plan :D Night oneShow nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Current Version of LSB Plan
We pick a THIS GUY.
All watchers watch him. All detectives check him. All medics prot him. All trackers track him.
Bus drivers and vigis stay away. Hatters probably stay away, too.
Day 2: Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
If a blue's action went through (no waxing) they will expect a PM from a watcher.
If no PMs are sent, there is no watcher or watcher was waxed.
If a blue gets one PM, then that is the real watcher unless the unlikely event of the watcher being waxed (mafia can possibly claim waxed watcher).
If a green gets a PM they can come forward - they are nosy neighbor or mafia is faking. If no greens come forward we are probably doing good.
If a blue that didn't act on THIS GUY gets a PM, we have a surefire mafia.
If no one steps forward seeing shenanigans for say, 24 hours. We can have watcher step forward - no one else comes forward we can protect them with bus. If more than one step forward, a blue can use pm evidence to out them if they are fake, maybe a DT can use a mouth they've confirmed (look for mafia to use an innocent as a mouth here, or maybe a mafia as a mouth like rastaban/sr last game). So basically, Day2 is there to get the watcher confirmed. The watcher then STEPS FORWARD, we'll have to sort though everything. Anyone messing with the plan, should be spotted and killed. Night 2Bus Driver protects Watcher. If there is only one DT claim, Watcher orders Medics to protect DT. ( iffy, but I don't think there is only going to be one DT claim) The Watcher will now control detective/trackers action. Watcher randomly assigns detectives to check up on people. Watcher has a list of what they should be, and the detective needs to match the list. Watcher does the same thing with trackers A few notes. *If a framer frames someone, they will show as regular red, not red special. So the Watcher should send the DT to people who claimed a blue role that can visit people We work from here, but the circle could gradually confirm each other. Takes a bunch of logic though Here's a breakdown by individual roles Conan the Not-So-Barbaric (Detective): Role check XeliN Active Stalker (Tracker): Stalk XeliN Lazy Stalker (Watcher): Watch XeliN Boy Scout (Medic): Protect XeliN Wannabe Batman (Vigilante): Do not target Xelin Mad Nutter (Mad Hatter): Do not target Xelin Bus Driver (Bus Driver): Do not target Xelin Disillusioned Teachers' Brigade (Mafia): PM Me and I'll give you super secrete instructions ;P!
The guide to being a good Town player (I think it's linked in post #4) says that this plan was bad, and that the Mafia would have won that if they weren't dumb. The Brute makes this even more terrifying.
We still have like another day until we actually have to lynch, I think we ought to keep accusing people and analyzing until then, and not make any weird-ass plans that put our blues in danger. Zombies in this may as well be bold and accuse and whatnot, because if the reds decide to kill them, at least it's not a blue who's getting killed.
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On October 12 2010 16:01 jodogohoo wrote:
neos, yogy have voted for a lynch on masq
kenpachi, grandmoose have voted for a lynch on veldril
very suspicious in my opinion. i feel like they are newbie reds told to keep low by some more experienced reds but also told to vote for specific people early on as to not have to vote near the end, which is also suspicious. and they also voted for the people who may be on the opposing red fraction... or something @_@ not entirely sure if my deductions are clear, but the idea is there, hopefully someone will be able to take what i said and state it in a more concise statement
I actually really like this idea. We probably wouldn't want to actually follow through on lynching them unless they react in a way that shows them to be reds, because we have some people who are more likely to be scum, but we could potentially get some useful information from even just a temporary vote switch, at least if you're right and they are newbie reds.
I would be down for this. I'm in favor of voting Kenpachi, because he looks to be the most active of them, so I think he's the most likely to see it and react quickly, but if someone has a better method for deciding, I'd be willing to change.
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On October 13 2010 08:27 Lexpar wrote:
I'm not sure I understand your guys argument. Everyone should bandwagon with you so that once he's lynched and revealed to be a baddie, we'll know with certainty that everyone who didn't vote to lynch him was on his team? This seems like an incredibly polarized point of view. Please explain yourselves pan/bum.
I think Pandain is actually pushing for Heavenonearth not Masq
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I think that DrH probably contacted the players who looked like smurfs, and just made sure that their main accounts weren't also here. I doubt that multiple accounts for 1 player would be allowed
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I don't understand why it's so big a deal, as long as each player only has 1 account in the game. It's not entirely fair to veteran players that they have a giant posting history looming behind them, while us random dudes don't have any reputation. As long as it's 1 account per player, this seems fine.
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EBWOP: sorry, DrH, for posting that after you said the discussion ended. I was already typing it when you posted that, I guess, so I didn't see it.
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On October 13 2010 09:46 SiNiquity wrote:
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Original Message From Pandain:
GIVE ME THOUGHTS NOW YUM YUM
YUM YUM MONSTA DEMANDS BRAIN FOOD
Yum Yum ==> Food
Food ==> Sausage
Sausage ==> "Franks"
Frankenstein
Frankenstein also has no thoughts, meaning he would require others to feed him thoughts. He also has no tact, which in text would be represented with proper punctuation and capitalization and would demand such items without properly asking.
k 1 down 60 to go
In what context did he even send this? It just seems bizzare to me.
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On October 13 2010 09:47 youngminii wrote:
You didn't ask me anything/speak to me personally. You replied to my *public* argument and argued your case *privately*. There's a reason some games don't allow PMs. Everyone's arguments should be plain and open in the public eye so that they can be analysed and dissected. If you have something to ask someone or don't want the rest of town/scum to see what you are writing to someone, then PM all you want. But there's no reason for you to hide your arguments except that you don't want people to analyse them later on in the game.
Obvious scumlike behaviour, not pointing fingers yet.
Posted without including this. If you really want what he said to be posted so bad, why not just post the PMs? I guess it's less reliable, because they could be forged, but I think that imitating Pandain's writing style would be kind of hard.
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Oh, hahaha, I didn't even realize that was a PM, thought it was just a quote from earlier. That'll teach me to look closer at things, I guess.
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On October 13 2010 10:15 MetalFace wrote:Show nested quote +NOTICEA question about the MetalFace guy: check out his profile and post history. His account was made on September 27th. He has 3 total posts. His first post was in the mafia forum request thread. His only post in this thread was a cover post, asking how the voting is done. His last post is a vote against Veldril. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=MetalFaceIt's highly unlikely this guy is actually someone new who just found teamliquid. Who the hell joins teamliquid and makes his first post to be in the mafia game? Who the hell actually knows how to put pictures and edit their signature etc, but only have three posts? This guy is 100% a smurf of another player here. So lame - DrH, shouldn't you be checking this kind of shit before the game starts? Heyo. Just to clear this up for you, I am in fact not a smurf. After starting to play SC2 a friend of mine suggested I check out TL because, as I'm sure you all know, this is the place to be for SC2 strats. I made an account so I could sign up for the NA TL Open, but unfortunately, couldn't make it. As for my low post count, I was never really one for posting a ton because A) I'm not all that good at SC2, and B) I'm firmly believe bad people posting just makes for bad forums. Realistically, why would I make a smurf account using a SC2 name that is legit? And so I had been happy in my lurking until I saw the Haunted Mafia signup on the left hand bar. I had played a simplified version of Mafia IRL but nothing like this before. Honestly, I have no way of proving this to you, but quite frankly, whether or not you believe me doesn't really matter. As for voting, it's the first night and as much as you guys want to get really deep into the clues, someone has to die. Once we lynch someone, we'll be a lot closer to finding out who is mafia/vampire. There's like 5-6 people right now that we could lynch and and one of them would give us a ton of information as to who's who, but for right now we're just working off of a handful of clue and a mountain of speculation.
Character name and identifier, please? If there's a "Metalface" on Bnet, it does a gigantic amount for good for clearing your name as a smurf, I feel. Nobody would buy a new copy of SC2 or permanently name their character just to hide their name for 1 game of Mafia.
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I mean to say "If you are 'Metalface' on Bnet" not "If there's a 'Metalface' on Bnet"
Just to clarify
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On October 13 2010 12:05 Lexpar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 10:45 Kpyolysis32 wrote:
Unvote
Vote Masq
Might as well not waste a vote. ^From voting thread^ Dude. Whatch you smoking? Voting for someone other than the winner isn't wasting a vote. Whats the point of voting if each vote is decided by who has the mots votes? Bill might as well just vote first and then everyone can follow him because they "don't want to waste a vote". I don't give a shit which one of these two fries, but common dude. At least have a semblance of a spine.
Did you see who I unvoted? I had previously voted for HeavOnEarth, who had absolutely no chance of being lynched. I support lynching Masq over Veldril slightly, because both of them seem equally likely to be red, but Veldril seems more likely to me to get killed by whatever scum faction he doesn't belong to tonight (assuming that he is red). Spending my vote to have a chance at influencing something I care about a little is better than spending my vote to change nothing.
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On October 13 2010 12:33 Nemesis wrote:
Too much finger pointing going on even though it is the first day phase and there is very little information available at this point of the game.
Finger pointing is good. When we point fingers, we investigate. And when we investigate, we gain knowledge. The only people who shouldn't finger point (if they can back of their accusation) are blues who need to lie low and scum who don't want to spread information, as best as I can tell. Why else wouldn't we?
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On October 13 2010 12:43 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 12:36 Kpyolysis32 wrote:On October 13 2010 12:33 Nemesis wrote:
Too much finger pointing going on even though it is the first day phase and there is very little information available at this point of the game. Finger pointing is good. When we point fingers, we investigate. And when we investigate, we gain knowledge. The only people who shouldn't finger point (if they can back of their accusation) are blues who need to lie low and scum who don't want to spread information, as best as I can tell. Why else wouldn't we? But the scum can easily read who the blues are. Everyone should finger point then!
That would be true if everyone actually followed this, but blues as it is can just pretend to be idle townies if they choose. I'm certainly fine with everybody finger pointing, though!
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On October 13 2010 12:49 jaminz wrote:
BTW the "detective" Bill Murray thinks he has is me. Is it true? O_o
What does this even.
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On October 13 2010 12:56 ShmotZ wrote:Consider everything! This might be a trap trying to get us change votes last minute  Its all so confusing, and its what they want. We need to COORDINATE!!! I think after this night, well get a better grip on what to do depending on where we went with the first lynch. Also since we most likely will get about 10 mod kills which i hope will reveal who they are, we can kinda get a better idea about the REAL numbers of players and the odds that some people might be mafia and vamps.
That would be excellent, but I think that he said modkills just get the players replaced with backups. So no free info for us.
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Hahaha, ballin'
We're still allowed to talk in this thread even though it's night, right?
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 14 2010 08:39 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 07:02 BrownBear wrote:
People who (relatively) last-minute bandwagoned onto Masq (started with about 5 hours to go):
Hittegods
bumatlarge
Pandain
kitaman27
SINiquity
Kpyolysis32
Veldril
AirbladeOrange
Shmotz
Now, I can kindaunderstand Veldril (dude was second in line, that's just defensive voting), but the rest of that list could be vamps trying to bus. Or mafia trying to ensure Masq died.
Although mafia didn't know he was vamp any more than we did until the flip... perhaps mafia really wanted Veldril alive for some reason?
Will look into this more.
I'm happy someone is doing what I suggested yesterday, regardless of whether or not I influenced them. Although I REALLY misinterpreted Dr.H's conditions for town (8 of each instead of 8 in general), this list is still as important as it was before, we just have to be as consistent. It would be best to take out a mafia next, but whoever is the scummiest should be lynched. We should consider double lynch, but it would be dangerous considering both sides just need to kill each other. Veldril should die anyway even if he is most likely another vampire, it's better then hitting townies. and a +2 win margin for mafia isnt all that much so early if we can read them well. As for my own defense, I wont change anything I've said. Use your own judgement. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
The first two points have been discussed to death, so make your own observations there. I underestimated what Bill said regarding the sides. I failed to realize that the objective of either side is to kill the other team, regardless of towns numbers. It's almost as if town and mafia roles are reversed, since town just need to outnumber the remaining 8 scum. That means that either side cant win until much later if they lose one member... which is assumed they will if the other faction is smart.
If the two candidates for lynch (masq/veldril) contain at least one scum, we can be certain that right now on the lists contain a good number of scum from the opposite faction, depending on what they are. We just need mafia/vamps to kill each other decisively. If they don't they risk the other faction rising ahead. Therefore both teams need to rely on end game tactics.
Heh, it's almost as if we don't need to do anything if scum are good players. We just need to follow clues and go with the flow.
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. Below are the votes just before I made my point. They should be important so neither side pulls ahead. It would be better to chance a stab at a team that has twice the members left of the other team to prevent a rout. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 08:09 bumatlarge wrote:For Masq, + Show Spoiler +18 - Glasse, CubEdIn, Nemesis, aztrorisk, Yogy, Neos, spydr, zerroth, Aeres, LSB, pandain, Hyperbola, seRapH, Flicky, Therick, TheMunkey, Bill Murray, coagulation For Veldril + Show Spoiler +17 - Lucktar, jodogohoo, YummyBlaBla, kenpachi, annul, jcarlsoniv, youngminii, southrawrea, Masq, grandmoose, bumatlarge, HeavOnEarth, oddo123, thegilaboy, kingjames01, Lexpar, MetalFace These list are important. If I die, let these guide you once you learn the alignment of the two. On October 13 2010 09:27 bumatlarge wrote:I thought my Veldril -> Masq post was important Veldril defended masq, and masq didn't associate with him. Veldril could be scum protecting himself or legitimate towny with opinions, or Masq is innocent thats all well, or hes scum and it's a much greater chance that veldril is on his team. But unless a glaringly obvious lynch comes forward, but between veldril and masq, could dissect which sides we are dealing with. But at a certain point, it does become advantageous for a scum team with >4 players to start town killing... Please go over the win conditions people and realize what we are supposed to be doing here. They are far from ordinary win conditions. On October 13 2010 09:31 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 09:11 Lexpar wrote:Pandain and bumatlarge you've yet to defend your arguments. Pandain: Show nested quote +
Everyone vote heaven on earth. I think he's really the only good "lynch" today. Either that or Masq, because from there we find out alot on Veldril anyway. But I would prefer Heaven on Earth over masq because we can find out whether the jack o lantern i sactually a clue or not.
Show nested quote +I want everyone who voted Veldril to change their vote ASAP unless they pm me a reason, or state so in thread. I'd prefer Masq do to. We got this. However, stay on until the end would be preffered in the unlikely case we don't have enough time bumatlarge: Show nested quote +3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
The first two points have been discussed to death, so make your own observations there. I underestimated what Bill said regarding the sides. I failed to realize that the objective of either side is to kill the other team, regardless of towns numbers. It's almost as if town and mafia roles are reversed, since town just need to outnumber the remaining 8 scum. That means that either side cant win until much later if they lose one member... which is assumed they will if the other faction is smart.
If the two candidates for lynch (masq/veldril) contain at least one scum, we can be certain that right now on the lists contain a good number of scum from the opposite faction, depending on what they are. We just need mafia/vamps to kill each other decisively. If they don't they risk the other faction rising ahead. Therefore both teams need to rely on end game tactics.
Heh, it's almost as if we don't need to do anything if scum are good players. We just need to follow clues and go with the flow.
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. Me: Show nested quote +I'm not sure I understand your guys argument. Everyone should bandwagon with you so that once he's lynched and revealed to be a baddie, we'll know with certainty that everyone who didn't vote to lynch him was on his team? This seems like an incredibly polarized point of view. Please explain yourselves pan/bum. Show nested quote +I still don't understand why hes suggesting that doing what he says, because everyone who dosen't is obviously baddie, is a foolproof idea. I'm willing to bet a big chunk of people voting for masq/vel did so out of not wanting to "waste" their vote on someone else, and going with whoever had the highest votes at the time. What are the odds these guys are gonna log on now and change their vote in the last 4 hours? Because they're lazy or maybe work nights, we condemn them to being on a baddie team? I've posted a list of pre-switch votes. Since no one seems to care, I guess they still hold some water. No one is band-wagoning. Just PLEASE pay attention to votes, they are tell tale signs of faction mongering unless people aimlessly throw votes on nobodies. I suggest people investigate those individuals.
Double lynch? Not a thing I'm familiar with; how does it work?
And my name was on that list of late vote-switchers, so I should probably defend myself: I wanted to vote for someone who hadn't posted much to try and get hem to react and reveal information (assuming that others would vote for them as well or that I could convince some, which I was working on unsuccessfully in PMland). That's why I voted for Kenpachi, and then, after being informed that I was an idiot for saying that in my post about him, HeavOnEarth, because Pandain was already pushing for him, I figured it was a good person to try and get a reaction from. Then seeing that absolutely nobody else I talked to agreed with this chain of thought, I voted Masq so that my vote wouldn't be wasted.
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On October 14 2010 10:02 KhrisKruel wrote:Hey guys sorry I missed out on day 1. I didn't have access to the thread. I'm quite amazed we got a scum on day 1, but then again I'm not used to clue dynamics. I'm catching up now and I'm on page 13. I thought I'd share this nice gem with you guys that I noticed. Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:
Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Let me clarify: Let me clarify more: Let me clarify 3 more times: I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm looking for vampires AND mafia...anyone have thoughts on this?
I looked at this too, but I don't feel like it's really solid enough to base anything on. He refers to mafia singularly a couple of times, and mafia/vampire a couple of times. More suspicious, in my opinion, is his insistence at somewhat irrelevant times that he's green...
+ Show Spoiler +On October 12 2010 14:45 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 14:44 orgolove wrote:I guess I should make it clear in the spreadsheet too, but the "vote 1, vote 2, vote 3" etc are the final votes after each night. notice how none of the future columns are filled in? On October 12 2010 14:38 orgolove wrote:
By the way, the vote list in the spreadsheet is a constantly updated list of the *current votes* not any vote changes. Special cases like jodogohoo, who switched his vote 6 times, will be noted in the "notable support" section.
ok, sorry. i really am a zombie though
+ Show Spoiler +On October 12 2010 04:36 Bill Murray wrote:
sorry, orgolove, but you have me flustered
i am town so you need to look elsewhere
Followed by his (at least as far as I can tell) unprompted roleclaim as JoL. What would even cause someone to do this, unless they were just trying to find the best way to convince people to roleclaim to them (which he was insisting that people needed to do), and willing to deceive anyone to do so.
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On October 14 2010 10:21 KhrisKruel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:
If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate.
If a person defend other person then those people are teammate.
Veldril defend Masq
Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate.
Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire.
If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? A post from Veldril responding to Bill Murray...he made the same mistake as BM and said vampire, instead of mafia/vampire. But I don't think anyone really doubts that Veldril is a vampire at this point after his connections with Masq and Masq's flipping of vampire.
Also, people seem to have missed this, but Veldril literally admitted to being vampire straight up.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=64#1272
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On October 14 2010 10:26 Coagulation wrote:bill also sent me this pm Show nested quote +i believe he is likely mafia/vampire
idk which
I also am not suspicious of you, even if i've been saying i am. I take you to be a zombie like me, honestly
i didnt even ask him his role and he felt compelled to lie for no reason. sooo scummy
This is the exact kind of thing I was talking about. Sooo red.
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Here's a series of PMs between BM and I. I don't know what to make of them, but maybe someone who is a better analyst than I can make something of it. Also, @Pandain, looks like I didn't mention HeavOnEarth to him either, so I'm just a gigantic loser when it comes to pushing ideas. Sorry for saying I did, just didn't realize.
+ Show Spoiler +he said "you guys are kinda boring"...and he's watching ME ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kpyolysis32: Alright, that's good. So, Bill's friend, are you enjoying watching him play Mafia? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: no hes sitting beside me ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kpyolysis32: It's no fun when you want it (Telling the jokes, I mean, of course >_>) Also, important: Is your friend in this mafia game? Because that's pretty important to know. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: im so town it hurts my friend is wanting you to make another rape joke ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kpyolysis32: Hahaha, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it's just my wisecrack reflexes. And I guess that works, we'll just have to see how it goes before I'm certain what I think of this whole thing (and of you, you seem like a pretty good guy, but I still have no solid proof you're not just a good red). ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: im not a serial rapist, but im a cereal rapist... if it's frosted flakes that is hahahaha im talking about the circle smartass ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kpyolysis32: I'm confused now. Are you a mafia player or a serial rapist? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: well, the fact you don't want it makes me want to give it to you more ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kpyolysis32: That's pretty rash.. I'm not sure if I even would want the circle. It would be very hard to verify whether or not people are telling the truth about their roleclaim, especially getting the information secondhand from you. I doubt that you'll really die soon, though. Aztorisk, Orgolove, and Veldril are looking like they'll be big targets tonight because of their roleclaim, spreadsheet, and apparent scum association, respectively. Plus, I bet that a bunch of reds are having the same thoughts I initially had about your circle, but instead of pulling their hair out, they're getting a gigantic hard on. Also, mental note: Bill Murray is okay with my random abuse. =D ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: hmmmmmmmm im considering trusting you enough to have you lead the circle when i die The bolded part below is a separate pair of messages. I sent mine after the below message, then he replied, then he sent the above message immediately after. It might be important, and I want to show everybody that I'm not too big of an asshat and did apologize for my brusqueness  + Show Spoiler +no, it's fine. i liked that.
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Original Message From Kpyolysis32:
Sorry, that may have been a bit too sarcastic. I don't actually care if you give me something on a relative scale. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kpyolysis32: How would you even measure that? Water displacement? Instead of arbitrary numbers, I recommend a relative scale. "Enough to trust you about your role" "Not enough to even talk to you" and "enough to roleclaim a very important role to you" would all be far more useful. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: i trust you about 70% ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kpyolysis32: Seems reasonable. Tell me if you decide I'm trustworthy, okay? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: greens typically get angrier than other roles trust me on THAT ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kpyolysis32: I have no real reason to believe that, though. Convince me. I still am not entirely sure why you believe me that I'm green, that's basically what every single role in this game would try to convince you of. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: im not red get it out of your head if you want to keep it that is ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kpyolysis32: Yes. I still think that a blue circle led by you is a poor idea, though. My bet is still that you're red, and that you'll fuck us all. That said, information is never bad, so if you decide that you can trust me, I'd gladly agree not to tell people, so that I could know what was going on. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: ... im not going to send all the blues to the same place are you crazy? that would be a good idea for the vampires, though lol i trust you're green, but i don't trust you won't repeat what i tell you. does that clarify things? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kpyolysis32: So, wait, you're marking down that I'm a zombie but then saying you don't trust me? You are the most confusing and illogical person in this entire game. Maybe we should just lynch you so you don't get all our blues killed by the vampire nuke. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: no i was just mass pming people to form a circle im not sure if i trust you enough to include you thanks for the claim, though, ill mark it down ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kpyolysis32: Okay, that's because I am a zombie. Did you assume something else previously? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: the fact youre getting mad is telling me youre a zombie btw ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kpyolysis32: What a useful contribution. Only EVERY SINGLE possible role would say that. I'm not saying that you're my only suspect, but I am saying that I won't tell you any of my others, because you are a very prominent one. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: well, you must not know how i play as mafia i am playing as a townie ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kpyolysis32: You are my top suspect. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Bill Murray: who are your top suspects?
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On October 14 2010 10:40 NB wrote:
i have an idea..... assuming brute is not being used tonight, we should stack ghost into 1 person and let the bogeyman see all the ghost... I didnt put much thought on that one but wana know what do you guys think?
Why would we assume the brute isn't used tonight, and how would we tell all of the ghosts who to stack onto without either already knowing who they are (in which case it's not a useful thing to do) or posting it publicly (in which case the brute rapes every ghost and the boogeyman)?
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On October 14 2010 10:42 annul wrote:
wait, aztorisk claimed? i forgot and/or missed this
what did he claim?
He claimed JoL at the start, trying to start some intricate plan that I don't recall the details of that ultimately became inviable due to a rules mix-up. It seemed legitimate, at least to me.
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On October 14 2010 10:51 Coagulation wrote:
im extremely convinced bill is scum. expecially regarding his slip up of 7pages of pm's im sure many others also see it
bill knew masq was scum just like everyone else.
however he also knew masq was vampire.
because he knew that he wasnt mafia due to the fact that he had inside knowledge of who is mafia.
i hope this makes sense
Makes a lot of sense. Although I don't think that the 7 pages of PMs thing is necessarily the best clue; he mass PMd everyone asking about suspicions, and I assume most people replied, resulting in 2 additional PMs (so that's already over 180). Then, if you get stuff like what he and I had here (I really do want people to see this and see if there's anything they can glean), it's very possible that he's hit 7:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=69#1374
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On October 14 2010 11:05 Hyperbola wrote:
Guys, Bill Murray was obviously either a blue or red: no green would ever play like that. Also if he was a detective, medic, or vigilante he would not want to draw too much attention to himself.
Therefore I think there are three possibilities:
1. Bill Murray was the mad hatter and has undoubtedly placed a bomb on someone by now.
2. Bill was scum.
3. Bill was a veteran.
So if nothing major comes up I think we should lynch Glurio on Night 3-4 to either lynch a mafia member/vampire, a mad hatter who by then should have set two bombs on two fishy people by then, or a veteran (Munster) which would be quite sad but has a lower chance of happening than the other possibilities.
Even lynching a veteran wouldn't be THAT bad, because he'll survive and then the boogeyman can watch him to see if anyone comes to kill him (I seriously doubt that vampires would use the brute just to kill a confirmed innocent and the boogeyman, especially if they continue to be short a man compared to mafia on that night, so boogeyman is probably safe doing this).
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On October 14 2010 11:14 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 11:12 Kpyolysis32 wrote:On October 14 2010 11:05 Hyperbola wrote:
Guys, Bill Murray was obviously either a blue or red: no green would ever play like that. Also if he was a detective, medic, or vigilante he would not want to draw too much attention to himself.
Therefore I think there are three possibilities:
1. Bill Murray was the mad hatter and has undoubtedly placed a bomb on someone by now.
2. Bill was scum.
3. Bill was a veteran.
So if nothing major comes up I think we should lynch Glurio on Night 3-4 to either lynch a mafia member/vampire, a mad hatter who by then should have set two bombs on two fishy people by then, or a veteran (Munster) which would be quite sad but has a lower chance of happening than the other possibilities. Even lynching a veteran wouldn't be THAT bad, because he'll survive and then the boogeyman can watch him to see if anyone comes to kill him (I seriously doubt that vampires would use the brute just to kill a confirmed innocent and the boogeyman, especially if they continue to be short a man compared to mafia on that night, so boogeyman is probably safe doing this). veterans die to lynches no matter what. they only survive hits.
Oh, really? >_> In that case, lynching a veteran would actually be pretty damn bad. It's basically killing 2 innocents (in terms of how hard it is for reds to get rid of him, he still only gets one vote obviously), and missing a chance for some cool calls with the boogeyman.
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Actually, I'm wrong a second time. Boogeyman doesn't get to find out who visited, just if they were visited, so that wouldn't happen, either.
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On October 14 2010 11:50 orgolove wrote:
Besides, anyone who is playing in a mafia game for the first time, is almost NEVER as engaged as you are right now. ESPECIALLY if they actually are regular townsfolk without any special roles.
On October 14 2010 12:03 orgolove wrote:
Lawl Tunnel Vision alert!
1. You claimed to be playing in a mafia game for the first time, and yet you use the mafia jargon of a seasoned veteran.
2.You roleclaimed as a zombie in the first day. Now, would someone who really is playing mafia, and an INTERNET mafia game, for the FIRST TIME IN THEIR LIFE, have over 70 posts before even the first day ends? In fact, considering that you claim that you have a "useless" role (you even said it yourself), I bet a real first-time mafia would find it extremely difficult to have any enthusiasm for the game. And yet here you are - 70 posts later, as a first time mafia participant and, as you claim, a zombie.
This is my first game of mafia (go ahead, check my history), and I have been posting frequently, using mafia jargon as much as coag, and I am just a green. You pick up terms and stuff so fast if you read the guides on the basics of how to play, and if you have any pride, you won't find it hard to be enthusiastic about town. It's the "hard" role, where you really have to have skill at analysis and teamwork because you don't start with any info at all or any special powers. It's the same reason Zerg players got to feel so badass in SC2 back when T was for sure imba (some might argue this still stands true, but I don't want a balance discussion to happen here); they could say they played the "hard" race.
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I should probably point out that I haven't been posting AS MUCH as Coag, but that alone is not enough to accuse him on, IMO. Also, the only reason that I didn't say stuff like this:
On October 12 2010 06:17 Coagulation wrote:
how does the town communicate their roles to each other ??
Is because a guide said that it's not a good idea to. It's not some weird sinister motive used by reds to make their slip ups look like noobish mistakes- it's basic instinct. When you're new, you look for guidance from veterans so that you can more quickly learn and become useful.
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On October 14 2010 12:20 jodogohoo wrote:
coagulation should die no matter what his role is. his posting in detrimental to the town.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 11 2010 13:26 jodogohoo wrote:
wait so... did the game start yet? On October 11 2010 14:39 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 14:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 11 2010 14:35 Coagulation wrote:
why the hell everyone voting to kill me already? theres hasnt been a single clue relevent to me mentioned at all. jeez. coagulation is something that happens to blood when someone dies they bleed GG YOU KILLED EVERYONE CAUSE THEY ALL BLED or he is just talking about the halo2 map =( On October 11 2010 15:02 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:01 youngminii wrote:
aztro you realise if shmotz is actually scum you just signed your own death warrant
wait but then that would be obvious because if shmotz kills you at night then we would suspect shmotz
wait but if scum kills you in order to frame shmotz we'd all think shmotz is scum and we'd end up lynching an innocent
but what if shmotz knew that and actually decided to kill you anyway in the hopes that town would think scum is trying to frame shmotz
this is confusing we should kill this guy On October 12 2010 02:10 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 02:09 NB wrote:
i notice a lots of people voted without reason or posting in this thread...
Just as a warning: thats make you really looks like a mafia/vampire who wana sneaky killing people.
I have a feeling that the more votes we have for masq, the deeper we are falling into a trap... The only reason i would vote for him right now is beacause he "seem" to have a teammate who is "Veldrill".As Dr.H has cleared out, Jack-o-lantern is a role and not a clue so the picture must be non-related....
I fact, We should pay attention to the people who are keep accusing masq and keep our track on them... Just to be safe.
a non related note: jodogohoo changed his vote again... there is something really supicious about the way this guy vote... He is either a newb or some psycho killer -.- ^_^ On October 12 2010 05:40 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 05:33 seRapH wrote:
@NB i accused coag from the start because accusing people is a good way to get a reaction from them, and with that you can garner what you will. in this case, i believe the reaction i got from the terrorist is simply too shady to ignore. if he were a townie, he wouldn't be so much worried about getting lynched than hunting for the real reds. why should i accuse randomly instead of using the clues? because clues are very vague, and can be twisted every which way, i don't trust them.
if i were red, i'd stay low, until i know who i can accuse without attracting attention. i'd see that people thought masq was a good choice to accuse, and jump on that. or maybe masq was in my family and then i'd reserve my vote until someone else with a lot of votes not in my family comes up. TERRORISTS! On October 12 2010 07:47 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 07:42 Bill Murray wrote:
aztrorisk better switch to veldril or he is a fucking liar and we are going to lynch him due to LAL
LYNCH
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LIARS LYNCH EVERYONE! On October 12 2010 07:49 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 07:48 youngminii wrote:
After wading through 8 pages of text, I have come to a conclusion. I am going to vote for either Masq or Veldril.
Gee, how smart am I? what about me =( On October 12 2010 09:43 jodogohoo wrote:
what about kenpachi itachi driving =( On October 12 2010 13:45 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 13:44 Coagulation wrote:
the term red has been used many times in this thread.
and campaigns of disinformation have existed long before i got access to mafia forum
sounds legit lol On October 12 2010 13:46 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 13:44 Coagulation wrote:
the term red has been used many times in this thread.
and campaigns of disinformation have existed long before i got access to mafia forum
DOESN'T MEAN I TRUST YOU THOUGH! TERRORIST! =( On October 12 2010 13:50 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 13:49 NB wrote:On October 12 2010 13:02 Bill Murray wrote:
i feel like dancing to thriller go play plant vs zombie xD... that game is cute :3 michael jackson zombie! On October 12 2010 14:37 jodogohoo wrote:DETRIMENTAL TO THE TOWN! LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH On October 12 2010 14:38 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 14:38 youngminii wrote:
what why i've just been doing what everyone else has been doing for the past x pages, where x is an arbitrary number LYNCH EVERYONE! On October 13 2010 13:34 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 13:33 Lexpar wrote:
Bill Murray begging for ghost protection dosen't inspire any sort of trust in you or what you say. Even to a player ignorant of your sensationalism and numerous contradictions your begging is pathetic. romania?
As opposed to you? I feel like Coag has contributed much, much more.
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Um, right here Seraph mentions coag:
On October 11 2010 14:57 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 14:56 Coagulation wrote:
omg i found incriminating evidence against myself
DoctorHelvetica was sitting at his desk deep within the Liquidvania jail. The jail used to be a dungeon when Dracula was in power and there were still bloodstains on the old stone walls. He heard footsteps coming down the hall, assuming it was the deputy warden coming to do his rounds he didn't even look back but just absorbed himself in his book on zombie history. The door creaked open and the footsteps stopped. DoctorHelvetica looked back at the open doorway but saw no one.
better post let the guys know you're posting meaningless evidence in an effort to make a joke. jokes will throw us off track so as to delay/hinder our discussion of who may ACTUALLY be mafia. this is very suspicious... my vote is still going against you >=(
I think that the reason this happened was because multiple people voted Coagulation at the start because his name is about blood, so they assumed he was implicated by the clues.
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That was in response to this:
What's even more damning is seraph also has -zero- posts where he mentions coagulation beyond his last comment, where he shows he really didn't have any good reason to vote for coagulation:
On October 11 2010 15:15 seRapH wrote:
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because you're a terrorist. i'm sorry, i'm american and react badly to terrorists. give me a reason to trust you (such as contributing a valuable analysis) and maybe i'll change my mind.
Go ahead, look through their posts. I can wait.
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On October 14 2010 12:44 orgolove wrote:
@Kpylosis: That was posted BEFORE the last post I mentioned. Look at the time.
So? Why does that matter?
The way that I think it happened:
Seraph (and others?) voted coagulation based on his name and the clues
Coagulation responded sarcastically/jokingly
Seraph made the post saying he was going to keep his vote on coagulation due to said response, because sarcasm is not beneficial to the town
Notably later, coagulation brought up the vote in the post you quoted, and seraph's previously somewhat-reasonable justification seemed flimsy after candidates who were so much better has been presented, so he said the useless terrorist thing.
Although, that actually does seem pretty suspicious. tHe terrorist comment is very hypocritical considering the post I quoted, and the reason why seraph wouldn't just switch his vote away at that point is not apparent to me. I want to hear their reasoning for this.
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On October 14 2010 12:49 BrownBear wrote:
The day post isn't up yet. If you can link clues to each other, then you can fight all you want.
Until then, quit yer bitchin'
That's 10 minutes we can use to analyze and hopefully gain information, though. I feel like what orgolove is doing is actually productive, regardless of whether or not he's correct, because it give us all a greater amount of information about the people he's analyzing and about him, and there is the possibility of uncovering something that's clearly scummy.
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On October 14 2010 12:53 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 12:50 Kpyolysis32 wrote:On October 14 2010 12:44 orgolove wrote:
@Kpylosis: That was posted BEFORE the last post I mentioned. Look at the time. So? Why does that matter? The way that I think it happened: Seraph (and others?) voted coagulation based on his name and the clues Coagulation responded sarcastically/jokingly Seraph made the post saying he was going to keep his vote on coagulation due to said response, because sarcasm is not beneficial to the town Notably later, coagulation brought up the vote in the post you quoted, and seraph's previously somewhat-reasonable justification seemed flimsy after candidates who were so much better has been presented, so he said the useless terrorist thing. Although, that actually does seem pretty suspicious. tHe terrorist comment is very hypocritical considering the post I quoted, and the reason why seraph wouldn't just switch his vote away at that point is not apparent to me. I want to hear their reasoning for this. the terrorist quote was a reference to a thread i made a couple days earlier about me taking tl hostage. it had nothing to do with game.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=158764
Still seems hypocritical, though. He said that what you said was unproductive, then proceeded to make an irrelevant (though incredibly awesome) reference. I actually saw that thread when you made it <3
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On October 14 2010 12:54 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 12:50 Kpyolysis32 wrote:On October 14 2010 12:44 orgolove wrote:
@Kpylosis: That was posted BEFORE the last post I mentioned. Look at the time. So? Why does that matter? The way that I think it happened: Seraph (and others?) voted coagulation based on his name and the clues Coagulation responded sarcastically/jokingly Seraph made the post saying he was going to keep his vote on coagulation due to said response, because sarcasm is not beneficial to the town Notably later, coagulation brought up the vote in the post you quoted, and seraph's previously somewhat-reasonable justification seemed flimsy after candidates who were so much better has been presented, so he said the useless terrorist thing. Although, that actually does seem pretty suspicious. tHe terrorist comment is very hypocritical considering the post I quoted, and the reason why seraph wouldn't just switch his vote away at that point is not apparent to me. I want to hear their reasoning for this. -.- have i not made it clear that i will have nothing to do with clues? why i voted for coag: because if i didnt then my vote would be on nobody, which isnt productive. if i vote people then it goads them to respond, and i want responses to analyze. why i didnt switch: we were in the middle of a discussion of which i wasn't sure what side i agreed with. if i switched then i may have had to switch many more times. now lets look at it this way: If i were scum, and coag was my scummate, then i would switch AS SOON as i find another candidate with qualifying suspicion. i would push to have this character lynched.
Seems super reasonable. I definitely understand voting on people to try and get information from them; that's what my first tow votes on Day 1 were attempting (poorly) to do.
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I can only think of Majora's Mask right now:
"Dawn of the Second Day
48 hours remain"
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The Vampire Brute dying is awesome
Yet another JoL is a little weird. I really doubt that 4 exist.
And wow at the Godfather getting killed so early
By the way, the clue in LSB's death does look a hell of a lot like I did it, with the cat. It's bound to come up, so I'll just point it out now so we don't waste time.
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On October 14 2010 13:27 KhrisKruel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 13:25 Kpyolysis32 wrote:
The Vampire Brute dying is awesome
Yet another JoL is a little weird. I really doubt that 4 exist.
And wow at the Godfather getting killed so early
By the way, the clue in LSB's death does look a hell of a lot like I did it, with the cat. It's bound to come up, so I'll just point it out now so we don't waste time. why would you implicate yourself?
It's going to come up either way, may as well point it out sooner. I'm not saying I did do it (I didn't, for what that's worth), but it's by far the most obvious implication of that clue.
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My first observation from this:
d3_crescentia appears to fit the scholar description in bumatlarge's death, from his profile.
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Hahaha, wow, am I talented.
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I'm going to be mostly AFK for this day I'll be able to actually read through everything about 24 hours from now, which is about 2 hours before the day ends). To try and contribute something, here's a little clue analysis (It's not much, sorry):
On October 14 2010 13:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
As he sat spinning about in his computer chair, he smelled something awful coming from his restroom. The smell made his eyes well up with tears and he rushed to the bathroom to see what it is and hopefully clean it up.
This seems possibly related to Lexpar, who's profile mentions both sickness (mono), which I think can cause bathroom-ruining things like diarrhea, and also mentions throwing up, which is not exactly known for smelling wonderful.
That's probably all I've got for today, sorry.
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On October 15 2010 11:04 Node wrote:Kpyolisis32 is pretty damn sketchy in my book. Forget the damn cat for a moment, and just look at the way he's been posting: Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 13:25 Kpyolysis32 wrote:
By the way, the clue in LSB's death does look a hell of a lot like I did it, with the cat. It's bound to come up, so I'll just point it out now so we don't waste time. I mean, this statement is so weird no matter how you look at it. It's just, "Yep, the clue points to me. That's all." He doesn't defend himself. He doesn't deny that it was him, or provide other potential suspects. To me, it just looks like a ploy to gain some townie cred by implicating himself just a little bit, hoping that people will move on accepting that there's no way a red would provide evidence against himself. The only defense we get is: Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 13:28 Kpyolysis32 wrote:On October 14 2010 13:27 KhrisKruel wrote:
why would you implicate yourself? It's going to come up either way, may as well point it out sooner. I'm not saying I did do it (I didn't, for what that's worth), but it's by far the most obvious implication of that clue. I don't like it. I don't like it one bit.
Being irresponsible and taking a break from homework to defend myself. I like succinctness, and there's no reasonable way I can think of to defend myself against a clue. He was killed by a cat, and I have a cat in my profile. It's just a fact. I can and will defend myself against people, who say things that are subject to perspective and aren't simply facts, as I am doing right now. If my tone for posting (and that clue, obviously) is the only thing that makes you suspect me, then I'm sorry, it's just the way I work. If you have anything els,e such as an analysis of my posting, I'd love to see it.
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