EPTWhich is odd, but I guess it will be fun to see when someone gets outed as being Mafia/Vamp, if they manage to talk their way out of it by claiming they are Gravedigger/Creeper.
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Which is odd, but I guess it will be fun to see when someone gets outed as being Mafia/Vamp, if they manage to talk their way out of it by claiming they are Gravedigger/Creeper. | ||
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WHY is Veldril more important than Masq? We are only voting for him BECAUSE he tried to defend Masq, so if we're voting for him, then we just assume that Masq is also M/V. Correct? So why not be methodical about it, and start with Masq? If he proves to be a Mafia/Vamp, then we'll know for sure that so is Veldril. If not, then our whole premise was wrong and we should rethink our steps. How is this an issue? WHY VELDRIL FIRST? I don't get the reasoning here. | ||
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Doesn't matter much tho, it's not like it's incriminating to PM someone. I have PMed people as well. | ||
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YOUR post however, for someone who was very quiet till now, but voted for Veldril seems more suspicious. Not saying it's incriminating, but suspicious. (i'm referring to kingjames01) | ||
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1. Don't you find it weird that people who have been quiet, yet voted, are stacking up on Veldril? 2. If you're sure about Veldril, then keep your vote, but please think about what I said for 5 minutes. What happens if the kill (be it Vel or Masq) is NOT Mafia or Vampire. What would that tell us about the other? Obviously, if we kill either, and they ARE in fact M/V, then the other will die as well. Easy PZ. But think of the alternatives, what if they're not? If we kill Veldril, and he's not M/V, then we know NOTHING about masq (because of lack of posts). If we kill Masq, we still have Veldril's behaviour to judge him on. | ||
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On October 13 2010 07:02 NB wrote: Have you thought that if we lynching Veld today and he turns out to be a green, Masq has more chance to be a M/V? Even though he does not post much, the possibility that Masq is framing Veld is not 0. It happens at the moment when he agree with Veld's protection post.... What does this means? this means that if 1 of them die by lynching, there is a pretty high chance the other will die by KP of M/V no matter what is the result of lynching. And if he(the one who is not being lynched on day1) survived through night1... The only conclusion i could give you is that our ghost is protecting a red... Those above are my "prediction"... Dont listen to it if you think i have gone crazy with my HW T_T Yes, I thought about that, but it's a bit of a long shot. I don't think you'll convince many people to vote for Masq on day 2 if Veldril is green. Especially if he's Count/GF and he fakes his role for detective, he might live for the rest of the game. Instead, given Veldril's posts, he would still be suspected even if Masq turns out to be green. More so than vice-versa. My 2 cents. | ||
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On October 13 2010 07:17 NB wrote: lolol detective count LOLOL... if the detective check the count and see a detective, he should know who is who right? xD i believe both count and gf should be bomber, no one dare to kill him late game  ...No, you misunderstood. I meant, if Masq is voted Count/GF AND fakes his role in case they're being investigated by detective (and of course fake a blue role). I don't think you can be count/gf AND detective. | ||
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On October 13 2010 07:43 Pandain wrote: pffffft there can be red herrings. I know I've red some games where hosts put in some obvious red herrings. In my view we should just have the mad scientist check whether that actually IS a clue, because if it is, we got an almost certain lynch. Because right now it just seems too obvious, and we can always lynch him later. @host: If, supposedly, there is a red herring, would it show up as a clue anyway? Everyone vote heaven on earth. I think he's really the only good "lynch" today. Either that or Masq, because from there we find out alot on Veldril anyway. But I would prefer Heaven on Earth over masq because we can find out whether the jack o lantern i sactually a clue or not. also what im being accused? of what? People have a thing against endangered species! But seriously, I agree that HoE is very suspicious as well, but think about it rationally: There are 5 hours left, you won't get the necessary number of votes, especially since it's past 12 am in Europe already. At most, you'll take votes away from Masq (or Veldril, but you also agreed that we'll have our shot at Veldril in the future anyway). | ||
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On October 13 2010 08:09 oddo123 wrote: If either Masq or Vedril = gravedigger/creeper, how misleading would that be! Gravedigger/Creeper only show up as Evil side if investigated by detective. If they are lynched, their true role will be exposed. And there are more ways to fool detective anyway, so you know, it wouldn't be that big of a deal if we kill one and get wrong info about the other (since we couldn't be 100% sure of it anyway). | ||
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...just saying, I was intrigued by his post count too, but calling multiple accounts is a bit over-the-edge. | ||
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On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote: What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril. I'm one of the people who stood by my vote for Masq since the beginning, and I noticed something, which may be a coincidence. Everytime we zoned in on Masq, something happened to made ppl lose focus. First it was Veldril, then azo, and so on. All the while Masq is saying NOTHING, but voting. And it's easy to go and defend Masq when there's way you'll be lynched before the end of day. | ||
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 I suggest we trust DrH that he wouldn't let things like 2 accounts per player slide, and just play the game. Also, I understand why people would prefer Veldril dead as well, not going to hang anyone for that, but I just don't see it as clear as I see masq. It might be my noobness to the game smudging my vision, but hey, at least I'll be proven wrong and know not to judge people by clues and the fact that they're acting fishy as heck. | ||
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If Masq doesn't get lynched I'll be seriously annoyed throughout day 2.  | ||
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And FUCK YEAH. I got a correct lynch in the first day of my first game. Too bad all this shit-talking took away my glory. So, I'm gonna lay down and be quiet(er) until day 2 arrives. No point in all this speculation without new clues, and the whole BM spamming threw this thread way off track. Only question is: should we lynch Veldril as well? I'm really 50-50 on that decision. My initial feeling was that Masq is M/V and Veldril is a bit of a newbie who was over-zealous with his opinion, and got the public's attention. Now do I go with that and try to broaden my horizons, or do I just say "fuck it" and vote for Veldril? Decisions decisions. | ||
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On October 13 2010 19:11 Masq wrote: goodluck with the game, i got screwed with the clue damn you DrHelvetica! Hey, don't blame the host if you can't control your psychotic pumpkin-carving impulses! | ||
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But as a general idea, I understand what you mean. That's why I think we need to wait till day 2 to see who gets killed, we can just go from there with clues, whoever is left, etc. | ||
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Why? Well, if you read the mafia ban list thread, you'll see that: 1. BM threatened to reveal ALL his PMs 2. DrH was "shocked" about him doing this. Now, of course, I know that DrH could be shocked because BM is a veteran, and he shouldn't have acted like that, sure, but also, he could have been surprised because revealing his PMs would ruin the game. And it would only ruin the game if he were M/V, and he got a lot of PMs from the other team members. Also, BM claimed to have >70 PMs, why would a townie have so many PMs? I don't know. I'd like NOT to vote for him, for the sake of the "good-game-spirit", but in my head, I'm 90% sure he is M/V. | ||
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I understand that focus is lost easily in this game, as it has been proven over and over again, but come on! I'm not making accusations just yet, as I didn't really have time to read the entire thread (shit moves fast yo!), but as soon as I'm done reading the clues 100 times more and checking everyone's profile, I'll come up with a vote. Yes, I'm a sucker for clues. So far it worked 100% of the times I voted based on clues! (1/1) | ||
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On October 14 2010 20:56 Hittegods wrote: He messaged more or less everyone who posted about who their top suspects were. This would no doubt generate a lot of messages. Yes, it -somewhat- explains the number of messages, but then again, it's the kind of thing a red would do. Pick-up clues. Also, the thing that urges me on is DrH's reaction to BM's threat. It's not damning, but it's sure suspicious. I explained why. He's not off my radar. And thirdly, does't it strike you as odd that all but one kills were on target? I mean sure, M/V have more information, but this was A LOT of information. Basically, only one or two of the kills tonight even came up in our suspects list, how did the others know who to go for? I'm intrigued. | ||
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Anyway, you can check, this is my first game, so I didn't really think that NOT voting for Veldril on the first hour of day 2 would somewhat incriminate me. I guess it makes sense, since it does seem that I tried to cast blame OFF Veldril TO Masq (and I did, lol), but it was also fairly obvious back then that Veldril would die if Masq is mafia. This is reflected in today's votes, but me voting for him as well (now that I've been accused) will only look like an attempt to cover my tracks. I probably WILL end up voting for him anyway, since nobody else seems close to being more of a positive match, but since he's already heavily under the gun, I don't think my vote in particular would cause more pressure (he's currently top voted with 10 votes vs 2 votes for the next candidate). However, my biggest problem as of now, is not who to vote for, since I already have Veldril to aim for, but who ELSE is a suspect. Think about it, on day one we had masq, and then a shitstorm of posts that incriminated a lot of people (and if you don't believe that they did, take a look at the kill count in night 1). I, frankly, didn't catch those "hints" which has me worried. If Mafia/Vamp managed to aim correctly since night one, then those hints were there, for sure. Why did we not see them as well? What are we not seeing now? I need to go through all this thread again but I don't have time right now, and it's only getting bigger. After that (prolly in about 12h or so), I'll set my vote. Frankly, I think that I'll end up voting for Veldril anyway, but I'm not convinced that he's Vamp just yet, I was way, way more "sure" of masq. Downside is that, apart from him, everyone else is just a blur. | ||
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