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Alright... so I was going to write something up on Crisis_ but he's just not that interesting... and not really a contender... I did do a drag_ analysis a while ago since he was someone slipping under the radar.
drag_
He hasn't been that active, but when he has... it's generally been pretty genuine. Examples include:
On October 09 2010 02:23 drag_ wrote:
Ok thanks for clarifying.
I guess I'll give a little insight into what I'm thinking:
NuketheBunnys: This guy kinda seems a little clueless of the big picture, I'm not so sure on his analysis and his comments, he seems to focus on inactives. However, I think it's pretty fair to say he's town. The style of his writing and the way he comes off is very hard to fake imo, so I'd be fairly sure he's town. Say 85%
BM: Asshole. Would be a definite target for tomorrow, however I'm unsure about him today.
DocH + Pandain: I'm almost positive you two are either Blue or Red. There's something not quite right about both of you, but I can't put my finger on it. ATM I'm more inclined to agree that you're Blue, however I'm a little skeptical at your strong support of a double lynch. That said, I have no real reason to suspect your red - just a gut feeling you know?
BM: asshole. That said, I feel you're pretty harmless. You clearly have this whole "TL Mafia" persona, from looking at your other posts outside of mafia. I feel that although he looks harmless, he needs to die. I hope he gets vigi'd but he would definitely be a target for me tomorrow.
Xelin and Crisis_: These guys are shady. But I really no connection between the two of them - I have a feeling one of them is red and the other is green, however I can't put my finger on it.
KingJames: Really got no read on you - you were really aggressive on day 1, but since then you've basically posted 0 content. This might be because you don't want to stick out - meaning you could either be taking orders from someone else, or you don't want to become a target. Really unsure about you.
Other people really haven't been on my radar. These aren't meant to be taken as accusations, more just what's running through my head if you feel me.
On October 12 2010 04:55 drag_ wrote:Ok, I did some voting analysis for what it's worth. There a lot of assumptions, but here goes: Firstly, some assumptions. The mafia has 5 votes. I think it's fair to say that they clearly do not vote in one big block. However I think it's also fair to say that they don't vote for 5 different guys completely randomly. My guess would be that the mafia may be split into 2 or 3 groups - where each day 2 people will vote for the guy they want to hit to make sure he dies, and the others will vote relatively randomly to prevent any sort of pattern emerging. This could be true because the mafia will never stay in one group, because if one gets caught then it makes it much easier to find the rest. This is all theory - no factual evidence to support this, but I think it could possibly make sense. Therefore, to identify some clue of who the mafia is we need to look at someone who votes for the person killed, and then votes for someone on pretty weak evidence. However this is far too general, and cannot be conclusive. However the vote for the double lynch just passed yesterday gaining exactly the 12 votes needed. Now there were 20 voters yesterday - I will not include myself because I'm confident in my not being red. If we look at around two hours before the vote there are three votes for double lynch that come in the space of 15 mins. Now there is nothing overly suspicious of this, except that all three of these people had voted before with who they wanted to lynch and then as it seemed the double would not pass they support it. These are: LSB Sinquity Crisis_ Now just for fun I'll do a little probing into each of them. I'm unsure about LSB - he didn't make a vote first day so it's hard to analyze what the rationale behind his vote was. Sinquity is a little more fishy potentially. On day 1 he voted for protactinum, who was later lynched. He does not post an actual reason for protactinium, unless I can't find it. Also, on day 1 the person who attacked him the most was Panda, a very good townie. Panda was later bumped off the next day. However next day he votes for meeple, and is the only one too, seemingly without any reason. Then a full day later he posts his rather short explanation Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 14:18 SiNiquity wrote:This is what I found on Meeple while sifting through the thread last night. In short, he's been moderately active but hasn't really said a whole lot. Ultimately gets boiled down into the following 4 categories: - + Show Spoiler [Lynch Inactives] +
On October 02 2010 14:25 meeple wrote:
Yeah ten minutes a day isn't really playing mafia... you're just doing the bare minimum not to get banned. What's the fun in that? On October 05 2010 08:07 meeple wrote:
a) Mafia statistically hide more amongst the inactives than amongst the active, its not just about non-blues.
b) An inactive lynch has the dual purpose of encouraging both mafia and town to post more. If someone's town then hopefully they'll contribute to productive discussion, but if they're red it leaves a big trail for someone to analyze. The chances of getting village idiot isn't equal to hitting red because there's much more reds than idiots.
On October 06 2010 05:47 meeple wrote:
Random lynching is almost never good... read my previous post about how voting inactive is far superior...
- + Show Spoiler [Suspicious of Pandain / CynanMachae] +
On October 06 2010 05:40 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 05:27 Pandain wrote:
I don't count Cynan as inactive and Nobody should vote for him because his actions thus far are in accordance with his previous play. That's not to say I'm not watching him(I am) but he's not that suspicious to me.
Whoa whoa... weird defense of cynan... the votes against him were just to bump him back into posting... which he did, so those should eventually fade away to other, more suitable targets. However, he's definitely not in enough danger for another townie to worry about him getting the chop. This makes a lot more sense if you're an anxious red protecting your buddy... On October 06 2010 05:47 meeple wrote:
Past that... I'm going for cynanmachae because I got a lot of funny twinges from reading Pandains post. Besides the possible red link, where if Cynanmachae turns up red, Pandain should also... if Pandain turns out to be green, it "might" say good things about Pandain, since the likelihood of scum sticking up for a green in those circumstances is pretty small... On October 08 2010 05:19 meeple wrote:
BM the problem with you spamming is that you'll never be taken seriously... I have no idea why anyone followed your bs Protact vote... There's 25 people in this game and your posting constitutes a full 1/6 of all the replies in this thread... I hope to god you see a problem with this... especially since most of those replies are like quadruple posts...
If you're so certain of BC, why would you want dts to check him before we lynch? That makes so little sense... stop the shit and do some real analysis... not this stuff about Role PMs
As for me... I see nothing but arguing about shit-all and my eyes are weary. I wasn't completely satisfied with Pandain reasoning for sticking up for Cynan... especially with Cynan's vote for him later... possibly to distance themselves from each other...
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On October 06 2010 10:58 meeple wrote:
... lots of sudden votes for protactinium... I mean... smurfing isn't that annoying is it?
What's the deal with infinitestory's no-post vote... get in here man! On October 06 2010 11:01 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 10:54 SiNiquity wrote:
so protactinium, who are you? You're tied for the lead to be killed. I really don't know who he is... and it shouldn't matter... but if you look through his posts... it smacks of someone like flamewheel
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On October 07 2010 09:54 meeple wrote:By this you imply? Show nested quote +
Pandian is writing weird stories again. That probably means he's Red or Blue
Dunno why you say this, other than blue/red excitement about a game... Show nested quote +
As for the Newcomers, I haven't read much, but it should be pretty easy to tell if one of them is Green. Are any of them superactive?
infinitestory has been active... but he's also been pretty illogical at times... Show nested quote +Lastly, Someone go Protect/Investigate Xelin. Brownbear just told us straight out that he's Red or Blue Despite what it may seem I doubt that a host would really make that mistake... that's a pretty big fuck up... On October 07 2010 15:25 meeple wrote:
This is pretty ridiculous... BM stop shitting up the thread
@drag_ I don't think he can be VI since shouldn't there be only one per game? Besides BB made it clear that if you spam to get killed as VI, he's just gonna modkill you.
To be honest, it should happen anyways... I don't know why it hasn't happened before... he usually spams the fuck out of the thread to piss people off and people end up ignoring him or lynching him right away to get rid of the annoying bastard. On October 07 2010 15:27 meeple wrote:
Ah edit... probably doesn't mean that there's only one VI per game... I misinterpreted... On October 08 2010 05:23 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 05:20 Bill Murray wrote:
I am certain of BC, but noone will fucking lynch him. That is why I'm asking DTs to check. If he comes back as "town", he is the godfather. If he is blue, he is possibly legit. No one will listen because you're blabbering like a fool... the tactic of "I'm loud and obnoxious so listen to me" works in preschool, but not in mafia man On October 09 2010 13:31 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 13:18 Protactinium wrote:
Hrm would anybody be averse to me just flipping Misder? It'll save some time for anybody waiting. Jesus, you're dead... don't backseat mod. This is BrownBear's game...
Annd that's it. All of his posts. Could be blue skating by, could just have a lot of shit going on. I'd like to hear more. I'm also suspicious of the fact that CynanMachae is still alive, primarily because it sounded like he soft-claimed blue, Pandain even called him out on it, and he never really refuted it. Surely the Mafia didn't miss this ~ yet they haven't hit a blue yet. It could be they're not blue hunting and are instead simply targeting more experienced players (Bum, Infund, Pandain + whoever they poisoned). He also hasn't been terribly active (got put off by BM spamming which is understandable). Annnd now no one's been poisoned. :o On October 10 2010 14:05 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I took a hit last night. This really is not convincing reasoning to me. It seems half hearted, and furthermore he does not follow up with this after he votes. He has not mentioned Meeple at all since this post if I searched correctly. The timing of his vote for Meeple is also peculiar. He votes at 11:45, when it is almost certain that Misder is going to be lynched. At his time of voting he still hasn't provided justification for Meeple, I believe. This to me almost seems like he just picked a random then attempted to justify it later. Why? I believe he was waiting to make sure misder got lynched. Once it was clear he cast a vote that would draw attention away from himself. Furthermore he votes for the double lynch late in the evening, at 10:22, under the pretext that Xellin told him that there were unlimited doubles. This is dubious. If you were curious, you would look on the front page, where it clearly states there are 2 remaining. Unless of course he's looking for an excuse to pull back on his vote at a later date. Once again why? At his time of voting there was a lot of voting activity in general. It was not absurd to see someone withdrawing from the double. However his vote gave the double a 1 vote security against this. It would be more revealing if every time someone pulled out, one person immediately took his place to make an exact 12. He himself then pulls out because he sees Xelin "lied to him". This draws attention away from him and to Xelin, when it was a simple problem to begin with, and it supplies him with a fair motive to change his vote. Although I'm unsure why he pulled out. This is what puzzles me. One possible motive is that he wants to give a conservative front and act as if he wants as little death as possible, contrary to the mafia. I'm unsure, but I have to say the statistics are little curious. Crisis_: He follows the same pattern of voting for the person who gets lynched, and then voting seemingly randomly. He votes for protactinium, and then he is the ONLY person to vote for BillMurray. He once again posts his vote before giving a reason. His explanation is also not very convincing: Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 09:40 Crisis_ wrote:My suspect list: I think the top suspects are those that receive accusation, and only surface when they're being threatened. CynanMachineHas been making mostly defensive posts with flawed arguments (sometimes even just brushing them off like they're not legitimate), some such as: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=43#845ghrurhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=38#741Talks a lot about how a red would play. People will relate others based on the role they actually are. They will think in that mindset. Bill MurrayUgh... a lot of spam, and an iffy plan...? I doubt there's more than one VI, and it seems like BM does this a lot in every mafia game he plays, so it's "normal" play for him. I'd just be okay with lynching him to get rid of the spam, but I know that's not really the best choice. I think he's more town than mafia. He posts this after his vote. This is not an explanation of any detail. He later claims he will change his vote, but of course he does not. However, he does participate in the voting thread again. This clearly means that he hasn't forgotten, but has no intentions of switching his vote. At 8:49 at the end of Day 2 he makes this post Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 09:49 Crisis_ wrote:On October 09 2010 09:44 Pandain wrote:
Crisis, while your online, vote for double lynch Okay, I'll consider it. Can you clarify this for me, though? Will the double lynch occur tonight or tomorrow if it passes? From this we know that he is aware Panda is online, and Panda replies to his question 3 minutes later, yet it takes Crisis a full 1 and a half to change his post, and he provides 0 reasoning for it. This makes it seem as if he is asking someone else about the double lynch. His vote change is at the same time as Sinquinity's. To me it appears that he was waited for Sinquinity to reply to his question about the double lynch, and getting the go ahead from siniquity, he changes his vote. From the time of their posts we can tell that they were online at the same time. Sin had not posted for awhile, while we know that Crisis had been online for a long time. There is very little reason I can see for the delay in Crisis changing his vote, unless he was waiting for something, like Sin answering his question. This may also explain Sin's post including Xellin. A potential scenario: Sin replies to Crisis to vote for the double. Sin then sees it might not past and wants to vote for it to create a bandwagon effect, or just for some insurance. However he sees the proximity of their posts and sees this could be a link between them. He puts in the bit about Xellin as a cover story. The above is merely theory, and of course cannot be proven. However, I felt like it was an interesting idea, and wanted to share it. That said I'm suspicious of crisis and siniquity until they can prove otherwise.
In all his posts I can't find anything really scummy and there's nothing fishy about his votes... so for the moment I'm treating him as green.
For my votes... since I've been falling a little behind... I weighed in some of the top contenders for a lynch... and figured that Xelin and Southrawrea were the people I felt most scummy of. I'm sure that one of the bandwagons are on a red... and that some of the people who haven't voted yet are mafia waiting to swap a close bandwagon and save their buddy.
I'm watching SINiquity, kane]deth[, SouthRawrea, CynanMachae, ghrur, and Crisis_ for that reason
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 10 2010 22:15 kingjames01 wrote:Okay, so after making that previous post, I went back through the thread with the intention of extraction each and every post made in-game by the players from the short list above. I wanted to cross-reference their votes made in the other thread so that I could look for inconsistencies and patterns, complete with timelines and personal comments. I started in numerical order as dictated in the OP and I was typing this all up in a text editor but I just have to share with you something. SouthRawrea is either a very bad Town or a very bad Mafia. Let's examine his 17 posts. + Show Spoiler +On October 05 2010 09:29 SouthRawrea wrote:
This game:
There are several differences in this setup than regular mafia games in case you can't be bothered to read the role descriptions.
1) Detective must wait until Night 2 for investigation which is frankly not helpful as it is 1 less report overall per detective.
2) Vigilante gets their shot or bat back if they overlap with mafia. Not a huge deal as an overlap isn't that likely.
3) Godfather can fake Village Idiot. Frankly as some have stated before this may be a bit OP and is a very good reason for Vigilante to save their bat.
4) Roleblocker now cannot block someone twice in a row which make DT claiming a little more viable especially once mafia loses a KP.
5) Mafia can practically save a KP for the next day while the poisoner is still alive.
Three huge things to watch out for
1) Like stated earlier, the Vigilante must not shoot until we get a Village Idiot report as it is the only way of safely killing a potential Village Idiot/Godfather as town.
2) Mafia can continuously use poison from any point in the game and have on of their players claim hit Veteran. The mafia will then be able to unleash 3 NK at any one night from that point onwards while having 1 NK the night before the claim and 2 NK for every night in between. This can be dangerous if town is too trusting of the hit claim and/or forgets about the 3 NK.
Ex: Night 2 : 1 poison 1 shot
Day 2: 1 death, mafia claims hit
Night 3: 1 poison 1 shot
Day 3: 2 deaths
Night 4 1 poison 1 shot
Day 4: 2 deaths
Night 5: 2 shot
Day 5: 3 deaths
3) Finally in a Lylo situation with Village idiot still alive, mafia can have a joint-win with the Village Idiot by lynching him. This will result in the day ending with both the Village Idiot and the Mafia's win requirements being fulfilled. (VI gets lynched and mafia # = town #) Comment: This post reiterates content from the OP with commentary and ways the mechanics will come into play. There is no stance taken on how Day 1's lynch should take place. Overall a very shallow post. Note that SouthRawrea advocates saving the Vigilante to use against the Village Idiot. My question is what takes preference, killing a Red or the VI? + Show Spoiler +On October 05 2010 11:27 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 10:55 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Anyway, no. DT if you find a red bloke, I want you to build an argument for why he is mafia. Tell us what he is/is not doing that is/is not helping to town. I want you to lay into him. Be relentless. Don't pull no fucking punches. If his mama's a tramp, I want you to let us know. Shiaaaaaaat.
So ignore this kid's advice. It's weak sauce. -___-
Quiet people often get sniped by mafia toooooo. (Unless Radfield/Ace/L are playing)
Eh...Kinda got the Village idiot post. It was pretty smart thinking with Village Idiot/Mafia win....So we do gotta be careful, cuz if village idiot is down to last 3 "Hai I'm VI, lynch me!!" Mafia just have to wait for him to vote for himself. Lol. I'd have to agree with most of this. Mafia often snipe the quiet folk as they are often medics or other good power-roles. In my first game on TL where we were mafia that was one of the tell-tale signs of the medic we sniped. I'd also agree with you on the DT building an argument but I'm against claiming at this point in time until the DT builds up a few more reports. He can't just let his reports do the work for him; he has to be a proactive townie. I'm going to assume that last part was directed to me. This kind of situation was common on the site I used to go on and made the Village Idiot all that more dangerous. This reinforces the reasoning that I had for saving the vig shot until we're sure that we've got either the idiot or the GF. Comment: Seems to be a passive-aggressive push for the Blues to come out of hiding. The Medic should not be "one of the quiet folk" or the mafia will know who he is. The Detective has to be a "proactive townie". Again, he says to save the Vigilante but adds that the Godfather should also be considered a good hit. How do we identify the Godfather anyway? Could be well-intentioned advice; I'm not sure. Supports ~OpZ~. + Show Spoiler +On October 05 2010 21:48 SouthRawrea wrote:Woot no joint wins!  ))) Comment: No substance. Expresses happiness over the ruling that VI cannot share wins. Consistent with above post. + Show Spoiler +On October 06 2010 05:04 SouthRawrea wrote:
At this point in time I would have to say that NuketheBunny's current strategy is pretty blatant and although I don't completely agree with how he's going about doing it, I would have to say I would like to get the more experience inactives to say something. I'm seeing some of the newer players being earnest in their attempt to play (ex: kingjames01) and this is a good sign. As they are much newer I wouldn't expect them to contribute as much.
We're only 3 pages into this game so far however and although I believe we're jumping the gun on the entire: lynch inactives. We are left with the problem of only 11 hours left in this game and plenty of inactives though so if we must come to an accord quickly for our lynch. Random Lynch is a good option in this game as we have many newer players which also explains the high number of inactives.
Oh god I'm terribly sorry about how unorganized this post is, I'm brain dead at the moment. :/
What I mean to say is that this day is short, we have lots of new players who are inactive, we should random lynch because many players haven't been given a proper chance to post as of yet. Comment: Wants inactive players to be more active. Does not support lynching inactives this early in the game. Supports voting randoms. Is neutral to NukeTheBunnys. October 06 2010 05:07. (07:53 remaining Day 1) ##Vote DivinekJustification: None provided. I don't understand this vote. I just checked and SouthRawrea is the only other person to have voted for Divinek including retracted votes. Was Divinek chosen randomly, then? Or is there some other reason? + Show Spoiler +On October 06 2010 05:46 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 05:28 Divinek wrote:On October 06 2010 05:04 SouthRawrea wrote:
At this point in time I would have to say that NuketheBunny's current strategy is pretty blatant and although I don't completely agree with how he's going about doing it, I would have to say I would like to get the more experience inactives to say something. I'm seeing some of the newer players being earnest in their attempt to play (ex: kingjames01) and this is a good sign. As they are much newer I wouldn't expect them to contribute as much.
We're only 3 pages into this game so far however and although I believe we're jumping the gun on the entire: lynch inactives. We are left with the problem of only 11 hours left in this game and plenty of inactives though so if we must come to an accord quickly for our lynch. Random Lynch is a good option in this game as we have many newer players which also explains the high number of inactives.
Oh god I'm terribly sorry about how unorganized this post is, I'm brain dead at the moment. :/
What I mean to say is that this day is short, we have lots of new players who are inactive, we should random lynch because many players haven't been given a proper chance to post as of yet. you're resorting to random voting with 6 hours left in the day? -_-;;;;;;;; cord worm i dont understand the system you're proposing, should everyone roll a random number? that'd be retarded, should everyone do it and then the person who gets the most similar RNGS be lynched? that's also bad because mafia can manipulate that. Even trying to scum hunt on very little information is alot better than being able to vote WITHOUT having to justify it, this is the way a scum would want to vote. we get NOTHING from today if everyone just RNG's their vote. But if you have to justify what you're doing (all be it most people would be like ' he's inactive lols' ) it gives you something to go off of, something to compare to future instances, some SUBSTANCE. If people are making small shitty posts to justify their votes, and then not removing them when the person is like HEY GUYS im here, and we should do this this and this. Then they look bad. But if they do this with your system you can just go LOL SRY I RNG'D. Or are you gonna re rng everytime someone speaks up? -___- it's a terrible system I know your play from many games south so i wont try to go too insane from one little thing like this but cmon man. That's not how RNG works usually. A couple people will RNG rolls and the town will bandwagon  . Derp. Sorry my head wasn't all there when I was typing up that post. Comment: Divinek points out that SouthRawrea does not justify his vote and assumes it was random. SouthRawrea says that random votes start bandwagons. + Show Spoiler +On October 06 2010 09:45 SouthRawrea wrote:
Err BM he wasn't in TL Mafia XXX... ? I'd also like to hear more about the smurf thing :O. Comment: Indicates he does not know the smurf's aka. + Show Spoiler +On October 06 2010 11:20 SouthRawrea wrote:
It's funny because I remember who pro is and I'm going to leave pro be. Comment: Indicates he does know the smurf's aka. I don't understand. October 06 2010 13:00. (00:00 remaining Day 1) Protactinium is lynched.Comment: The day finishes and he never switched his vote from Divinek who he "randomly" chose. + Show Spoiler +On October 06 2010 21:46 SouthRawrea wrote:
I lol'd so so soooo hard. Comment: No substance. Inanity. + Show Spoiler +On October 06 2010 22:06 SouthRawrea wrote:
Hey Happy.. the game is still on .. reaad. Comment: No substance. Also, ironic since Happy.fairytail was modkilled and replaced. "reaad" October 07 2010 13:00. (00:00 remaining Night 1) bumatlarge and Infundibulum are killed.Comment: No direct link between these three players. + Show Spoiler +On October 09 2010 07:00 SouthRawrea wrote:AH forgot about this game totally with getting my haircut and preparing for other stuff and what not :/. Strangely enough I find myself agreeing with BM's take on Happy.fairytail and BC. I'm going to completely ignore the Role PM controversy (with the whole TOWN vs CITIZEN thing) as even if it wasn't a miscommunication, in my opinion BM comes out on top simply because it is slightly suspicious. I would like to say this, I've been pretty inactive this day but I find that Misder's posts during day 1 have been consistent with not wanting to lynch without reasons. Eventually he gradually admits that he wouldn't want to lynch an inactive but votes for Xelin and then switches to Opz because he was inactive as well. This to me screams timid town role behaviour rather than mafia simply because his votes aren't quite bandwagonesque. In this case I believe that NuketheBunnys if mafia. Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 00:12 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
Wow spam much.
Right now I'm thinking Bill is either A. a second village idiot, or B. mafia trying to hide behind the fear of a second village idiot. Its very tempting to vote for him regardless just to get the spam to stop. I really don't understand why he is bragging about convincing everyone(myself included) to vote for the village idiot. Hurrr I made us lose on the first day Im a good player Hurrrrrrrr.
It's pretty unlikely for there to be a second village idiot so it seems that NuketheBunnys is implicitly stating that Bill is mafia. The reason why I picked this out is because one of the easiest posts for mafia to make that seems like content is giving an opinion on someone's role. (ex: He just seems like mafia to me.
As for the role PM's I think people are just trying to confuse everyone. Even if some one is helping brown bear host, I seriously doubt that he would send out half the role PMs, and some one else would send out the other half. I think anyone(read: Opz) claiming that their PM was not sent by brownbear is very suspicious. Im not going to get nitpicking about the town/townie distinction as they are commonly interchangeable.
He's unclear here about who these people are that are trying to confuse "everyone". However he seems to unknowingly (?) agree with Bill Murray that BloodyC0bbler's PM was highly suspicious yet clearly as shown elsewhere, he dislikes the way Bill Murray comes about with this information (ex:spam) which is highly understandable.
My next step is to go reread the past 7 pages completely ignoring everything Bill said and see if it makes any more sense. Then again maybe I should go back and point out the inconsistencies in his spam as Im sure I could find quite a few
Most likely an empty promise to read back but what troubles me is the fact that he's going to ignore Bill Murray's posts even though he thinks that Bill Murray is either VI or Mafia. If he was either of these would someone rather not do a post analysis? This is strange behaviour as the entire goal of mafia is to lynch the mafia but he says that he MIGHT go back and read BM's posts. Just an inconsistency I found that once again points to wanting to fit in with the town and perhaps get by to the next day undetected. Comment: Explains inactivity. Will ignore PM controversy. However, the PM controversy makes BC look suspicious. Justifies Misder's choice to lynch inactives on Day 1. Inconsistent with above. Claims NukeThe Bunnys is mafia. I just read the rest of the post and his logic for this claim very tenuous. Nuke is mafia because he opposes Bill Murray. Also, insinuates that NukeTheBunnys makes "empty promises". Opposes Happy.fairytail/BloodyC0bbler. Supports Bill Murray. Supports Misder. Opposes NukeTheBunnys. October 09 2010 07:01. (05:59 remaining Day 2) ##Vote NukeTheBunnysJustification: NukeTheBunnys opposed Bill Murray October 09 2010 07:27. (05:33 remaining Day 2) ##Vote Double LynchJustification: None provided + Show Spoiler +On October 09 2010 08:31 SouthRawrea wrote:I was actually pleased that NuketheBunnys made that post and then I read it. >.> Think of analysis like an English essay. The point of it is not to summarize but to prove a point. :/ A couple ways to improve this is to perhaps cut out some one liners or group them all together and provide your point for them altogether. An example of what you could've done is instead of saying "buddies up with xelin even more", you could've tried to indicate a connection between the two and went over a handful of their posts in relation to each other (When doing this just look to see if there is anything that shows an obvious connection between the two). If this is horrible advice I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure that it's good advice . You did provide a conclusion at the end which was essential but it'd be nice if you could link it all together. Comment: Here SouthRawrea supports NukeTheBunnys post? Then proceeds to disparage his arguments because they do not prove a point? Will investigate more. Okay, I just looked up the post. It is a very detailed look into Bill Murray's behaviour in the game. I think that the evidence provided paints a very convincing picture. Why does SouthRawrea not comment on the validity of the arguments rather than the structure of the post? Also, why doesn't he quote this post so we know what he's talking about? Finally, he doesn't retract his earlier insult about delivering on "empty promises". Opposes NukeTheBunnys. + Show Spoiler +On October 09 2010 08:46 SouthRawrea wrote:
I can answer #1 for you Kingjames: Usually it's safer to maintain a worst case scenario mindset until we get a bit more insight into whether or not there is a roleblocker. (ex: roleblocked claim) Comment: This was an answer to my question about why Pandain assumes the presence of the RoleBlocker. Satisfactory and illuminating. October 09 2010 13:00. (00:00 remaining Day 2) Misder is lynched.+ Show Spoiler +On October 10 2010 05:58 SouthRawrea wrote:
Hey people that voted Misder, I'm checking you out. Comment: Empty and completely unnecessary threat. I'm sure anyone who is innocent will do the same thing. Supports Misder (who is dead). + Show Spoiler +On October 10 2010 10:45 SouthRawrea wrote:Just because I'm not allowed to PM, I'd like to express my wish to PM Pandain expressedly. PANDAIN I WANT TO PM YOU. Just a suggestion: Questioning of Siniquity/BM on the part of the mods might be a good idea. People who voted for lynching Misder in order of best reasons: Pandain - Pretty well done analysis on http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=38~OpZ~ -For the unexplained vote Misder put on ~OpZ~ infinitestory - Actually makes a post explaining why he though Misder was suspicious though I can't see why he'd vote for him in particular because he had plenty of other suspects at the time. DoctorHelvetica - No good reason. He was tunneling Siniquity the entire time and gave no real reason for Misder. LSB - He basically goes to pandain "who know you might be right" and votes Misder... drag_ - Absolutely nothing. A total of 10 posts. There almost seem to be 12 posts but 2 of those are from a link of siniquity's This was just me scanning over the posts and making it public who I'm going to examine. I would start with drag_ but because he has so little posts I thinking I'll examine him and LSB (as JeeJee didn't make a single post). Most likely within the same day I will go over DoctorHelvetica and/or Xelin because this particular post caught my eye. It just seems like a post that could be reduced to under 10 words and has no explanation within it and only an elongated 1 point opinion. I know I've been guilty of this to some degree except without just providing opinion. However it seems like major "slipping under the radar" to me. Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 17:07 XeliN wrote:
Dr claiming there is nothing of value whatsoever to be gleaned from the earlier PM discussions due to the fact it has now been revealed that 2 types were sent is false imo. Using them as a basis for argument may have flaws but the idea that they lack any merit whatsoever is not true. In case of my death tonight Suspects: Xelin, DrHelvetica, BloodC0bbler and at least 2 of the newer players including KingJames, drag_ and infinitestory. Comment: Publicly states he wants to break the rules. Implies that he does not have the ability to PM. I don't understand the "Questioning of Siniquity/BM on the part of the mods". Lists the players who voted for Misder during the previous day and their justifications. Only provides a link to Pandain and summarizes the rest in his own words. Of the 6 voters, only Pandain has a good reason apparently. Expresses intent to investigate drag_, LSB, DoctorHelvetica and/or XeliN. Will keep an eye out for this. For good measure, he accuses (without justification) BloodyC0bbler, kingjames01 and infinitestory. Suggests that he might die overnight. Supports Pandain. Opposes drag_. Opposes LSB. Opposes DoctorHelvetica. and/or Opposes XeliN. Opposes BloodyC0bbler. Opposes kingjames01. Opposes infinitestory. + Show Spoiler +On October 10 2010 10:53 SouthRawrea wrote::D I'm glad you could consolidate your posts. No hard feelings? I actually think I screwed the ctrl+f thing that one time while searching. It began the search part way through. Sorry about that. It wasa genuine mistake. I was going back through what I searched through just to make sure everything was right and yeah you did express suspicion. I'm in no way clearing you though . Comment: I think he is referring to DoctorHelvetica's response. Very slimy and takes back his earlier statement about DrH's lack of justification for voting Misder. This seems suspicious. Is neutral to DoctorHelvetica. + Show Spoiler +On October 10 2010 10:55 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 10:51 LSB wrote:Just saying, I voted for Misder a lot earlier than Pandian did.... o.o + Show Spoiler +On October 08 2010 06:23 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 04:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Also I need to put pressure on Misder again.
You're not getting away with being inactive this time buddy. Where is the evidence for your original accusations? Why did you fingerpoint and run away? Why did you fingerpoint, call out other players for not backing up their accusations, then go inactive without backing up your accusations?
I might have changed my vote to Xelin for the time being but you're still under fire here. Glad to. Okay, First of all, I did a quick read through. There is no Opz - Misder connection. + Show Spoiler +Then suddenly misder posts this... On October 06 2010 09:22 Misder wrote:
Actually, I’m just going to vote ~Opz~ right now instead of XeliN, just because of this tiny suspicion. I don’t know if I truly believe in that he is mafia, but I think he has a better chance at being mafia than XeliN. ... What? Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 13:03 Misder wrote:On October 05 2010 12:47 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'd rather you post your suspects now Mr. Misder?
What if mafia slay you at night?
=/ I think I rather wait. First, my suspicions aren't really big; they could be comepletely wrong, and I don't really have strong evidence. Plus, I'm still looking at different play styles from previous games. Second, this way, the mafia doesn't know whether I'm right or wrong, so if they really are scared, they're going to have to kill me If you guys really want, I'll post my suspicions, maybe to generate discussion or something on day 1. Which reminds me, how do we decide which inactive to lynch? I made this mistake last game, I fingerpointed when I was mafia. The problem was that I didn't have that good of an argument to start off with. I just did a "I'm pretty sure that they are mafia" Misder, can you elaborate for us who do you think is scummy? I know you mentioned Infun, but your analysis was shaky and wrong. On October 09 2010 11:18 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 10:51 Misder wrote:I'm actually surprised not too many people are voting for me, considering the fact that I did contridict myself twice; once when I said that I vote with reason (well technically I did... intuition and my limited knowledge on how mafia players work) and once when I said that mafia members are the ones who die out into the thread (which I basically disappeared from). I'm such a good target for the mafia to start a bandwagon. I don't know if this is a good thing that the town is not impulsive or a bad thing that the town doesn't really like to do analysis... (well ghrur did, and i think he makes good points). And pretty much yeah, I took a shot in the dark, and I think I pretty much shot myself instead. Well this is what I had a while ago, but I never posted "~Opz~ Ok, I’m looking at him from the perspective of Mafia XXX, the most recent normal game. In this game ~Opz~ was tracker. I guess this isn’t the most amazing analysis, and most people also act differently from a green townie and a blue, but I’ll try. In day 1, as a blue ~Opz~ told the town what to do, coming up with plans, participating in the actual crux of what was going on. On August 07 2010 02:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Okay. Vigi should claim Day 2 IMO because he can't use his night kill til night 2. The vigi can openly suggest his target, meds protect target. If 2 people die that night, and dude is protected from a hit then BAM, we have a huge circle formed with meds confirming the vigi, DT's can openly claim to vigi or use a mouth, Bus Driver should stay hidden I feel...except to maybe the meds.
And if it is a mafia ploy? We'd have netted two mafia. The fake vigi claimer, and the dude who was hit by the vigi because he would have to have been protected. All medics should protect the guy getting vigi'd so they get the protection message, or mafia would have to use all KP to stop the plan, GIVING us quite a few more days... He never actually contributes in this game on Day 1, just blames all of the newcomers." So my analysis of him before was when he was a blue role, pretty much irrelevant... I didn't look back at games even older, when I should have. When I actually looked at him more in dept than my intuition and one day of the game where he was blue, I've come to a conclusion that ~Opz~ is most likely town. This is his quote from Mafia XXIII where he was actually townie. On July 18 2010 15:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:On July 18 2010 08:12 Jayme wrote:On July 18 2010 08:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
RNG lynch is dumb because you have more of a chance to land on a townie, and then he could be a helpful townie.
if we lynch an inactive we're killing someone who probably would not have helped us anyway
however, i don't want to lynch someone that would just get modkilled since that's obviously a waste.
Bill, how many votes can someone miss before they get zapped? As far as I know they can't miss any votes at all. We have more of a chance to land on a townie with any day 1 method we choose simply due to the fact that there are 24 townies and 6 mafia...there is no way of avoiding this. As a matter of fact I would say we have a better chance of hitting a good red player through RNG because I mean...who's to say that this "good townie" isn't just a red being a good townie. I understand lynching an inactive is killing someone who wouldn't have helped anyway but you're still doing just that...just about guaranteeing a green lynch which is completely pointless. As I said before I'm willing to go with either, there isn't much we could do. The issue I see with RNG is verifying if it's actually RNG. Actually....I'm done for this....Let me read a little more and we'll see who I want to die.... Also, I'm tired of these idiotic plans. We can pm. Dt, check someone PM them, pass turn, check someone PM them and the other person, pass turn. Quit playing like idiots and realize the benefits of having PMs....Nubby ass mafioso. And go back and look at games with PM's day one, no body does anything that day... The best thing I could say is everyone Roleclaim to me, and lynch me today...Or wait til tomorrow and do it. I'd inform of match ups, over counts, and die out as proof. How does that sound? I can send the PM out, and inform before death of everyone who doesn't respond, over counts of roles, ect. ect. I could be checked night one if that would be a problem, (wouldn't recommend organized multi checking though) and lynched day 2. Even if I was god father, god father would be out and too many blues to snipe with a list of roles and over claims. *yawn* But I don't really wanna die too bad, or abuse how easy this game could be. ~Opz~ has a condescending tone this mafia game, just like he does in this game. When I was reading through his posts in XXIII, its mostly yelling at people. Also, I believe that he is town because of he said that Artanis wrote Townie on his PM. If he was mafia, he wouldn't make such a huge claim. As for BM, I believe that he is VI. BM spammed most of Mafia XXX also, and he was ninja then. Question, what is the point of using an important vig shot on a supposed VI? Can't we just not lynch the VI and be done with? Or are we just afraid that then, mafia members can pose as VI and not get lynched? So question: Can't the mafia not kill BM if they believe that BM is not VI? Also, if BM is VI and tomorrow we double lynch him, don't we also lose? We're are depending on the mafia for this lynch to work, and I don't really like it. Also, mafia wouldn't be killing who they believe to be townies, and BM is definitely not playing like he is blue This analysis is junk and you know it is too. I don't get this magical intuition of yours. It sounds like you just made this up on the spot. Only thing that's nagging me is that Pandian just bandwagoned you. And Pandian for some reason has been bandwagoning whoever seems the most scummy at the moment. Who knows, maybe Pandian is right The double lynch questionDouble lynch increases town Kp, it's like getting an extra day (okay there are some difference, ie we won't know the end result) We can a) Follow up on two leads. b) Kill Bill Murray and someone else in one day. VOTE DOUBLE LYNCH Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 09:34 kingjames01 wrote:On October 09 2010 09:32 Pandain wrote:
Reasons for double lynch
1. We'll have enough info from today's lynch, this whole well of info we already have, a dt check, BM's result, and possibly a medic save.
2.In case BM is mafia
3. In case there is no vigi(doubtful though)
4. We really need to start lowering the mafia kp To go through with this is a calculated risk though. We're leveraging the possibility to sacrifice 2 more players to the mafia. I don't know if I can go through with that. Note, Mafia killing has a 100% chance of hitting a townie. That's why town lynching is preferred I voted for him because his analysis was junk. Turns out I was wrong about him :S Other junky posts were available at the time . I just felt you didn't have as good of a raisin bran muffin. (reason) Comment: LSB defends his vote and SouthRawrea implies that LSB should have chosen someone else. + Show Spoiler +On October 10 2010 11:01 SouthRawrea wrote:
EBWOP: Sorry for triple post but post 1 is directed toward DrH and Post 2 at LSB Comment: No substance. Confirms that his previous two posts were directed at DoctorHelvetica and LSB as I thought. October 10 2010 13:00. (00:00 remaining Night 2) Pandain is killed.Conclusion- Casts vote on Day 1 without justification - Indicates that he opposes lynching inactives because the "town will bandwagon" - Justifies Misder's choice to lynch inactives - Implies he does not know the smurf but in the following post says he remembers who the smurf is - Accuses NukeTheBunnys of being mafia since he opposes Bill Murray - When NukeTheBunnys replies, SouthRawrea dismisses all arguments by saying it's not in an essay form. Calls it "good advice". - After Misder is lynched and revealed to be Town, SouthRawrea quickly aligns himself and makes an empty threat - SouthRawrea publicly aligns himself to Pandain citing that he was the only one with a good "raisin bran muffin" - In the same post SouthRawrea accuses drag_, LSB, DoctorHelvetica, and/or XeliN, BloodyC0bbler, kingjames01 and infinitestory - Suggests that he might be a target that night - 2 hours and 15 minutes later Pandain is killed - No post since Together in one place, these posts paint SouthRawrea into a very small corner. I propose that the town takes action. I want SouthRawrea to explain himself.
This is a beautiful post. the last part is especially great for summarizing why SouthRawrea seems suspicious
Allow me to further this by looking at some of his recent posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 10 2010 10:45 SouthRawrea wrote:Just because I'm not allowed to PM, I'd like to express my wish to PM Pandain expressedly. PANDAIN I WANT TO PM YOU. Just a suggestion: Questioning of Siniquity/BM on the part of the mods might be a good idea. People who voted for lynching Misder in order of best reasons: Pandain - Pretty well done analysis on http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=38~OpZ~ -For the unexplained vote Misder put on ~OpZ~ infinitestory - Actually makes a post explaining why he though Misder was suspicious though I can't see why he'd vote for him in particular because he had plenty of other suspects at the time. DoctorHelvetica - No good reason. He was tunneling Siniquity the entire time and gave no real reason for Misder. LSB - He basically goes to pandain "who know you might be right" and votes Misder... drag_ - Absolutely nothing. A total of 10 posts. There almost seem to be 12 posts but 2 of those are from a link of siniquity's This was just me scanning over the posts and making it public who I'm going to examine. I would start with drag_ but because he has so little posts I thinking I'll examine him and LSB (as JeeJee didn't make a single post). Most likely within the same day I will go over DoctorHelvetica and/or Xelin because this particular post caught my eye. It just seems like a post that could be reduced to under 10 words and has no explanation within it and only an elongated 1 point opinion. I know I've been guilty of this to some degree except without just providing opinion. However it seems like major "slipping under the radar" to me. Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 17:07 XeliN wrote:
Dr claiming there is nothing of value whatsoever to be gleaned from the earlier PM discussions due to the fact it has now been revealed that 2 types were sent is false imo. Using them as a basis for argument may have flaws but the idea that they lack any merit whatsoever is not true. In case of my death tonight Suspects: Xelin, DrHelvetica, BloodC0bbler and at least 2 of the newer players including KingJames, drag_ and infinitestory.
Once again, accusing multiple people without detailed analysis. Instead, he scans and accuses. Why would anyone accuse 6 people at once? It seems to just cause confusion and make people point fingers instead of doing what town should ACTUALLY be doing. Analyzing behavior, focusing on specific, scummy points, and hunting reds. Pointing all around does nothing. It's just as good as using a RNG.
+ Show Spoiler +Double Lynches are situational and in games usually by Day 3, the town has gathered enough information that they have at least a handful of suspects in mind especially if there is a claim/counterclaim situation at hand.
Notice, he only posts a reason AFTER he voted and AFTER someone questioned him on it. Trying to slip under the radar? Probably.
+ Show Spoiler +I accused NukeTheBunnys based on his hesitance to analyze Bill Murray even though he was sure the Bill Murray was either Village Idiot or Mafia
Interestingly enough, this is why I'm also accusing you. SouthRawrea has been hesitant to go into any detailed analysis about players despite his accusations.
+ Show Spoiler + I realized that i was low on the post count at this point in time and that I had to take a bit more action. Once again not empty. >.>
Now this is truly interesting. Why would one be afraid to be low on post count? BM is very high on post count and it isn't exactly helping. But here's the thing, posts reveal information. SR might be hiding in the shadows because he doesn't want to give town any more information than necessary, much like the advice listed in the most basic of guides, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132936. So what does he do? He gives posts with little information. Absolutely minimal. An empty threat to boost his post count so he's less likely to get noticed. Very fishy to me.
The lack of analysis and the boosting of post count with spam posts seem really suspicious to me. If he were pro-town, he'd definitely be more active with useful, beneficial posts instead of just throwing it off with
Or just addicted to minecraft and finding it hard to get engaged in this current game >.>
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On October 12 2010 07:51 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 07:34 infinitestory wrote:You addressed everything else, but you kinda dodged the main point against you, which was your unfounded aggression against OpZ. This main point is also probably the main reason for the vote train against you. On October 10 2010 23:59 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Is Opz lying? Well if you want to be sure we can lynch him. He isn't really useful anymore if he's already been hit once. For a number of different reasons, already outlined in the thread, this is pretty illogical He has been playing the fence throughout the whole game. Usually he pushes players against a wall more frequently, and he wasn't doing this in an aggressive way this time.
For the second lynch this implies that you've got OpZ down as lynch #1 in your head, you guys can figure it out. You wanted 2, now start investigating. I'm going to just vote for Xelin again since the double lynch plan was more sound with Xelin dying yesterday and BM dying today. Instead of trying to justify this comment in your defense, you actually said that you didn't advocate lynching OpZ 100%, but rather wanted to keep us on our toes. I know I should be wary of OpZ lying, but it's pretty clear from the bolded parts of your statement that you want OpZ dead for one reason or another. On top of that, you voted OpZ and tried to say you were abstaining. I just don't see the logic behind it at all, and your defense didn't adequately cover this most pressing point. My stance on Opz hasn't really changed the whole game. Look at the posts I've made regarding Opz, most of which were subtle critical yet light in emotion. I respect Opz as a player and I usually align with him indirectly in most cases. I want people to be aware of every possibility presented against them, and Opz has given something valuable to the town. I don't want him dead and I'm not pushing for a bandwagon against him. If you want to keep arguing about posting habits since we have sooooo much information for this double lynch then go for it. It's not going to result in flipping mafia members since they're clearly not threatened. They're the ones acting calm and spitting out small tidbits of information to misguide the town. Did I do that? No. I didn't. I took the time to provide an example of a scenario when this type of claim has occured before. It's entirely possible that Opz is lying. If I wanted to "finish the job" why would I mysteriously push for him in a lynch when there's other candidates who could quite possibly be pro-town as well. I don't think anybody who's really been in the spotlight today is mafia, and this wealth of information isn't definite. We were promised to have an easy day for a double lynch, yet we're bickering until the last minute and new suspects are rising AFTER THE FACT.
Amber, stop arguing for your death. Post some analysis and I'll pull my vote off of you. Seriously. I will. I'm not being spiteful, I just feel you and Xelin are the most suspicious.
Would you like me to show you how your posting different. Watch this, it's about to blow your mind!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=31&u=Amber[LighT]&gb=date
Make sure it filters TL Mafia forum. Click the games with hella frequent posts. Look what Amber is.
HP mafia particularly. You had like 200+ posts that one game!
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Where the hell have you been this game! I quoted damn near every posts. Who have you analyzed. Who have you looked at. My analysis wasn't quick. My words were concise.
Notice how Xelin isn't arguing about dying? Either he just never logs on (possible cuz he disappears randomly), or he is mafia.
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I'll probably be moving one of my votes to south actually....I gotta go read his defense, but this is my thoughts ATM. But I'm looking.
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Siniquity, you really need to format your posts better. BC please tell me ONE thing. Why did you vote for Amber?
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On October 12 2010 05:00 kingjames01 wrote:
SouthRawrea's explanation for his posts have satisfied me for the moment.
Okay first of all that's what she said and second:
drag_
A new player he spends his first few posts, like many other new players, trying to orient himself in this game. Here in this analysis I'll be avoiding posts such as these in order to get to the point (I may however refer to them to attempt to get a better grasp on his behaviour) :
+ Show Spoiler +On October 06 2010 01:47 drag_ wrote:Hi guys, I'm generally going to be posting around this time as it fits my time zone/schedule better I don't really understand the point of voting inactives off? I'm new at this game, but surely that just makes it really easy for the mafia to avoid getting voted off for the first few rounds. Unless they're just really lazy...
The first post giving insight into his mindset is:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 06 2010 05:42 drag_ wrote:
It's a hard choice for me, because there's so many layers meaning (if unclear read the Old Man and the Sea) behind every post. However, you, Mr. Kingjames seem to be trying a little too hard in my eyes to already single out a target and to shift blame elsewhere. I'm a little more skeptical of people who post a lot of accusative posts as opposed to just general conversation.
He begins by expressing his inability to make a choice which can be perfectly normal depending on your approach to this game on your first play. The real defining factor here is that he does not like the fact that Kingjames01 begins laying down an FoS on Crisis_. This is due to the reason that this attack was premature in drag_'s opinion and prefers to have lighter topics fill the thread. One could argue that he wants to come off as a timid player as to slip under the radar. The other likely scenario here is that he isn't completely familiar with the game's mechanics. Let's delve further into his posts.
As this next post is upon the same topic, we are able to see a more detailed analysis on the characteristics we took a peak at in the previous post.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 06 2010 06:26 drag_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 06:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 06 2010 05:42 drag_ wrote:
It's a hard choice for me, because there's so many layers meaning (if unclear read the Old Man and the Sea) behind every post. However, you, Mr. Kingjames seem to be trying a little too hard in my eyes to already single out a target and to shift blame elsewhere. I'm a little more skeptical of people who post a lot of accusative posts as opposed to just general conversation. No, that's totally valid. However, I'm trying to play the game as best as I can with the little bit of information that has been revealed. Until I have more information, I think I will go with what I've got. Even if I'm wrong with what I'm saying, it invites a response so that we can learn more about what players are thinking, just like how it incited you to respond. What I DO find interesting, however, is that you have only posted once previous to this message. Then, with this post you claim that you apparently don't like it when people try a "little too hard ... to already single out a target and to shift blame elsewhere [and are] skeptical of people who post a lot of accusative posts as opposed to just general conversation." You came out of hiding just to point fingers and divert attention. Are you taking this game seriously enough to find a good reason to survive and win? If you are, then seriously consider what I have to say. If you can find a glaring logical error then say so. Don't insinuate with your slimy words just before the first vote and then disappear. This just furthers my point about you. You act as if my post was all part of your multiple phase plan, before completely changing the subject to you accusing me of lying in wait and singling you out with my 'slimy words'. Once again another clear shift of blame from yourself towards me and another accusative post.
If this were a debate I would have to hand the win to kingjames01. drag_'s response to Kingjames' response is that of one who reads selectively. He first avoids the fact that Kingjames is actually working earnestly to earn the town information and skips to the part of the post directed at him. I am personally confused however by his accusation of a multi-phase plan. I can only assume that he means Kingjames laid a trap for drag_. This however is not the case as drag_ really did come out of hiding from having only 1 post to a sudden assault on Kingjames' playstyle. Now comes an example of classic hypocrisy: Drag_ attacks kingjames, Kingjames attacks drag_, drag accuses kingjames of shifting blame all the while shifting blame from himself. Brilliant. As any faction in this game, drag_'s intention would be considered sound as he is defending himself from a retaliatory post. What needs to be taken note of here is his opposition to early votes on people. This suggests that he has an affinity for passive play in this particular game but is quick to defend himself.
This next post I find is riddled with distinctive traits.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 07 2010 15:20 drag_ wrote:
I don't really understand you Bill Murray. You post a lot of spam posts and you draw a lot of attention to yourself while alienating yourself from the rest of us. This could mean your VI and you're trying to piss us off and make it look like your mafia so we vote you off. That seems a little too obvious though. What I do think could be possible is that you are using this spam to make it look like your VI when you really could be red, but we don't lynch you because we're scared you're VI. Not an accusation per se, just general chit-chat.
The first thing that I notice is one thing he says in particular: "alienating yourself from the rest of us". He clearly believes that he is the same as the rest of the players and this is the way the game should be. Out of the three possible color-coordinated roles one can get (barring Village idiot) who benefits the most from making others think they are exactly the same as the rest? Mafia. The blues do benefit from this but not as much and the townies shouldn't care at all as they are trying to find mafia, not fit in. Next: He shows his disdain for Bill Murray's spam quite clearly but he himself suffers from the opposite: lack of posts. Lacking posts or having the bare minimum is another commonly used tactic to slip under the radar. I will clarify here what should already be known by all the players here just to emphasize my point: Trying to slip under the radar is an anti-town move. I know I am guilty of this to an extent but if you've played with me you'll know that I'll come up with several large posts throughout the course of a game. As well another thing I find strange is that he still thinks that chit-chat is the best course of action at this point in the game. Huh.. The two explanations that I can think of are : 1) STILL not familiar with the game or 2) Trying to slow down town's progress. Regardless, I move on.
It seems hypocrisy is this man's strong suit as with only 4 in game posts he posts this:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 08 2010 05:30 drag_ wrote:
There are so many little sub-arguments going on right now I'm really struggling to make heads or tails of anything. That said, while BM may be a tool, I think it's more important to crack down on inactive people. In a 25 person game it's really easy to slip under the radar. I feel like focussing on BM is just a waste of time atm.
He pulls the confused card that is used every once in a while in a mafia game to give himself an excuse not to formulate an opinion at that point in time. Not a good thing to be doing as town. The next little bit although it may be hypocritical, it erects a facade. It makes it seem as if he is not one of those inactives that he wishes to crack down on and that he is genuinely interested in advancing in discussions as town. This here, although it may not be much evidence, screams mafia to me.
I skipped a post because I felt that the question he asked wasn't worth analyzing but this next one contains a bit of information that we can squeeze out.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 09 2010 03:21 drag_ wrote:
Just because he's an "asshole" (mean to imply his posting habits are annoying) does not mean I consider him mafia. Secondly, I feel he is harmless, but I didn't rule out the possibility he isn't. I am really curious to discover what he is - he's really giving me a mind-fuck and I wouldn't mind his death via vigilante.
Sure enough he wants Bill Murray dead but not by lynch.. simple. The information we can gain from here is that so far up until this point he has not had a SINGLE opinion on the alignment of a single player. He does not want to make any enemies and sure as hell does not want to be Public Enemy #1. He's perfectly okay with picking on Public Enemy #1 however as that is a relatively safe move. He has yet to contribute in ANY way at all, not even in the slightest.
And yet another post from this "great" player:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 09 2010 02:23 drag_ wrote:
Ok thanks for clarifying.
I guess I'll give a little insight into what I'm thinking:
NuketheBunnys: This guy kinda seems a little clueless of the big picture, I'm not so sure on his analysis and his comments, he seems to focus on inactives. However, I think it's pretty fair to say he's town. The style of his writing and the way he comes off is very hard to fake imo, so I'd be fairly sure he's town. Say 85%
BM: Asshole. Would be a definite target for tomorrow, however I'm unsure about him today.
DocH + Pandain: I'm almost positive you two are either Blue or Red. There's something not quite right about both of you, but I can't put my finger on it. ATM I'm more inclined to agree that you're Blue, however I'm a little skeptical at your strong support of a double lynch. That said, I have no real reason to suspect your red - just a gut feeling you know?
BM: asshole. That said, I feel you're pretty harmless. You clearly have this whole "TL Mafia" persona, from looking at your other posts outside of mafia. I feel that although he looks harmless, he needs to die. I hope he gets vigi'd but he would definitely be a target for me tomorrow.
Xelin and Crisis_: These guys are shady. But I really no connection between the two of them - I have a feeling one of them is red and the other is green, however I can't put my finger on it.
KingJames: Really got no read on you - you were really aggressive on day 1, but since then you've basically posted 0 content. This might be because you don't want to stick out - meaning you could either be taking orders from someone else, or you don't want to become a target. Really unsure about you.
Other people really haven't been on my radar. These aren't meant to be taken as accusations, more just what's running through my head if you feel me.
Aside from calling BM an asshole twice (lol) he finally starts coming up with a couple of opinions on people. What I would want to say here is something along the lines of no one cares but I wouldn't do that . He however returns to his timid stance when he says "these aren't meant to be taken as accusations". I'm sure even he can see a common theme within his posts. " I'm going to attack only when someone really won't be able to get me back and I'll stay quiet about everyone else and perhaps just quiet in general so that no one notices me."
Ah and his longest post!
+ Show Spoiler +On October 12 2010 04:55 drag_ wrote:Ok, I did some voting analysis for what it's worth. There a lot of assumptions, but here goes: Firstly, some assumptions. The mafia has 5 votes. I think it's fair to say that they clearly do not vote in one big block. However I think it's also fair to say that they don't vote for 5 different guys completely randomly. My guess would be that the mafia may be split into 2 or 3 groups - where each day 2 people will vote for the guy they want to hit to make sure he dies, and the others will vote relatively randomly to prevent any sort of pattern emerging. This could be true because the mafia will never stay in one group, because if one gets caught then it makes it much easier to find the rest. This is all theory - no factual evidence to support this, but I think it could possibly make sense. Therefore, to identify some clue of who the mafia is we need to look at someone who votes for the person killed, and then votes for someone on pretty weak evidence. However this is far too general, and cannot be conclusive. However the vote for the double lynch just passed yesterday gaining exactly the 12 votes needed. Now there were 20 voters yesterday - I will not include myself because I'm confident in my not being red. If we look at around two hours before the vote there are three votes for double lynch that come in the space of 15 mins. Now there is nothing overly suspicious of this, except that all three of these people had voted before with who they wanted to lynch and then as it seemed the double would not pass they support it. These are: LSB Sinquity Crisis_ Now just for fun I'll do a little probing into each of them. That's what she said. I'm unsure about LSB - he didn't make a vote first day so it's hard to analyze what the rationale behind his vote was. Sinquity is a little more fishy potentially. On day 1 he voted for protactinum, who was later lynched. He does not post an actual reason for protactinium, unless I can't find it. Also, on day 1 the person who attacked him the most was Panda, a very good townie. Panda was later bumped off the next day. However next day he votes for meeple, and is the only one too, seemingly without any reason. Then a full day later he posts his rather short explanation Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 14:18 SiNiquity wrote:This is what I found on Meeple while sifting through the thread last night. In short, he's been moderately active but hasn't really said a whole lot. Ultimately gets boiled down into the following 4 categories: - + Show Spoiler [Lynch Inactives] +
On October 02 2010 14:25 meeple wrote:
Yeah ten minutes a day isn't really playing mafia... you're just doing the bare minimum not to get banned. What's the fun in that? On October 05 2010 08:07 meeple wrote:
a) Mafia statistically hide more amongst the inactives than amongst the active, its not just about non-blues.
b) An inactive lynch has the dual purpose of encouraging both mafia and town to post more. If someone's town then hopefully they'll contribute to productive discussion, but if they're red it leaves a big trail for someone to analyze. The chances of getting village idiot isn't equal to hitting red because there's much more reds than idiots.
On October 06 2010 05:47 meeple wrote:
Random lynching is almost never good... read my previous post about how voting inactive is far superior...
- + Show Spoiler [Suspicious of Pandain / CynanMachae] +
On October 06 2010 05:40 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 05:27 Pandain wrote:
I don't count Cynan as inactive and Nobody should vote for him because his actions thus far are in accordance with his previous play. That's not to say I'm not watching him(I am) but he's not that suspicious to me.
Whoa whoa... weird defense of cynan... the votes against him were just to bump him back into posting... which he did, so those should eventually fade away to other, more suitable targets. However, he's definitely not in enough danger for another townie to worry about him getting the chop. This makes a lot more sense if you're an anxious red protecting your buddy... On October 06 2010 05:47 meeple wrote:
Past that... I'm going for cynanmachae because I got a lot of funny twinges from reading Pandains post. Besides the possible red link, where if Cynanmachae turns up red, Pandain should also... if Pandain turns out to be green, it "might" say good things about Pandain, since the likelihood of scum sticking up for a green in those circumstances is pretty small... On October 08 2010 05:19 meeple wrote:
BM the problem with you spamming is that you'll never be taken seriously... I have no idea why anyone followed your bs Protact vote... There's 25 people in this game and your posting constitutes a full 1/6 of all the replies in this thread... I hope to god you see a problem with this... especially since most of those replies are like quadruple posts...
If you're so certain of BC, why would you want dts to check him before we lynch? That makes so little sense... stop the shit and do some real analysis... not this stuff about Role PMs
As for me... I see nothing but arguing about shit-all and my eyes are weary. I wasn't completely satisfied with Pandain reasoning for sticking up for Cynan... especially with Cynan's vote for him later... possibly to distance themselves from each other...
- + Show Spoiler [Raises concerns of Protactinium vote] +
On October 06 2010 10:58 meeple wrote:
... lots of sudden votes for protactinium... I mean... smurfing isn't that annoying is it?
What's the deal with infinitestory's no-post vote... get in here man! On October 06 2010 11:01 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 10:54 SiNiquity wrote:
so protactinium, who are you? You're tied for the lead to be killed. I really don't know who he is... and it shouldn't matter... but if you look through his posts... it smacks of someone like flamewheel
- + Show Spoiler [Misc] +
On October 07 2010 09:54 meeple wrote:By this you imply? Show nested quote +
Pandian is writing weird stories again. That probably means he's Red or Blue
Dunno why you say this, other than blue/red excitement about a game... Show nested quote +
As for the Newcomers, I haven't read much, but it should be pretty easy to tell if one of them is Green. Are any of them superactive?
infinitestory has been active... but he's also been pretty illogical at times... Show nested quote +Lastly, Someone go Protect/Investigate Xelin. Brownbear just told us straight out that he's Red or Blue Despite what it may seem I doubt that a host would really make that mistake... that's a pretty big fuck up... On October 07 2010 15:25 meeple wrote:
This is pretty ridiculous... BM stop shitting up the thread
@drag_ I don't think he can be VI since shouldn't there be only one per game? Besides BB made it clear that if you spam to get killed as VI, he's just gonna modkill you.
To be honest, it should happen anyways... I don't know why it hasn't happened before... he usually spams the fuck out of the thread to piss people off and people end up ignoring him or lynching him right away to get rid of the annoying bastard. On October 07 2010 15:27 meeple wrote:
Ah edit... probably doesn't mean that there's only one VI per game... I misinterpreted... On October 08 2010 05:23 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 05:20 Bill Murray wrote:
I am certain of BC, but noone will fucking lynch him. That is why I'm asking DTs to check. If he comes back as "town", he is the godfather. If he is blue, he is possibly legit. No one will listen because you're blabbering like a fool... the tactic of "I'm loud and obnoxious so listen to me" works in preschool, but not in mafia man On October 09 2010 13:31 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 13:18 Protactinium wrote:
Hrm would anybody be averse to me just flipping Misder? It'll save some time for anybody waiting. Jesus, you're dead... don't backseat mod. This is BrownBear's game...
Annd that's it. All of his posts. Could be blue skating by, could just have a lot of shit going on. I'd like to hear more. I'm also suspicious of the fact that CynanMachae is still alive, primarily because it sounded like he soft-claimed blue, Pandain even called him out on it, and he never really refuted it. Surely the Mafia didn't miss this ~ yet they haven't hit a blue yet. It could be they're not blue hunting and are instead simply targeting more experienced players (Bum, Infund, Pandain + whoever they poisoned). He also hasn't been terribly active (got put off by BM spamming which is understandable). Annnd now no one's been poisoned. :o On October 10 2010 14:05 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I took a hit last night. This really is not convincing reasoning to me. It seems half hearted, and furthermore he does not follow up with this after he votes. He has not mentioned Meeple at all since this post if I searched correctly. The timing of his vote for Meeple is also peculiar. He votes at 11:45, when it is almost certain that Misder is going to be lynched. At his time of voting he still hasn't provided justification for Meeple, I believe. This to me almost seems like he just picked a random then attempted to justify it later. Why? I believe he was waiting to make sure misder got lynched. Once it was clear he cast a vote that would draw attention away from himself. Furthermore he votes for the double lynch late in the evening, at 10:22, under the pretext that Xellin told him that there were unlimited doubles. This is dubious. If you were curious, you would look on the front page, where it clearly states there are 2 remaining. Unless of course he's looking for an excuse to pull back on his vote at a later date. Once again why? At his time of voting there was a lot of voting activity in general. It was not absurd to see someone withdrawing from the double. However his vote gave the double a 1 vote security against this. It would be more revealing if every time someone pulled out, one person immediately took his place to make an exact 12. He himself then pulls out because he sees Xelin "lied to him". This draws attention away from him and to Xelin, when it was a simple problem to begin with, and it supplies him with a fair motive to change his vote. Although I'm unsure why he pulled out. This is what puzzles me. One possible motive is that he wants to give a conservative front and act as if he wants as little death as possible, contrary to the mafia. I'm unsure, but I have to say the statistics are little curious. Crisis_: He follows the same pattern of voting for the person who gets lynched, and then voting seemingly randomly. He votes for protactinium, and then he is the ONLY person to vote for BillMurray. He once again posts his vote before giving a reason. His explanation is also not very convincing: Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 09:40 Crisis_ wrote:My suspect list: I think the top suspects are those that receive accusation, and only surface when they're being threatened. CynanMachineHas been making mostly defensive posts with flawed arguments (sometimes even just brushing them off like they're not legitimate), some such as: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=43#845ghrurhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=38#741Talks a lot about how a red would play. People will relate others based on the role they actually are. They will think in that mindset. Bill MurrayUgh... a lot of spam, and an iffy plan...? I doubt there's more than one VI, and it seems like BM does this a lot in every mafia game he plays, so it's "normal" play for him. I'd just be okay with lynching him to get rid of the spam, but I know that's not really the best choice. I think he's more town than mafia. He posts this after his vote. This is not an explanation of any detail. He later claims he will change his vote, but of course he does not. However, he does participate in the voting thread again. This clearly means that he hasn't forgotten, but has no intentions of switching his vote. At 8:49 at the end of Day 2 he makes this post Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 09:49 Crisis_ wrote:On October 09 2010 09:44 Pandain wrote:
Crisis, while your online, vote for double lynch Okay, I'll consider it. Can you clarify this for me, though? Will the double lynch occur tonight or tomorrow if it passes? From this we know that he is aware Panda is online, and Panda replies to his question 3 minutes later, yet it takes Crisis a full 1 and a half to change his post, and he provides 0 reasoning for it. This makes it seem as if he is asking someone else about the double lynch. His vote change is at the same time as Sinquinity's. To me it appears that he was waited for Sinquinity to reply to his question about the double lynch, and getting the go ahead from siniquity, he changes his vote. From the time of their posts we can tell that they were online at the same time. Sin had not posted for awhile, while we know that Crisis had been online for a long time. There is very little reason I can see for the delay in Crisis changing his vote, unless he was waiting for something, like Sin answering his question. This may also explain Sin's post including Xellin. A potential scenario: Sin replies to Crisis to vote for the double. Sin then sees it might not past and wants to vote for it to create a bandwagon effect, or just for some insurance. However he sees the proximity of their posts and sees this could be a link between them. He puts in the bit about Xellin as a cover story. The above is merely theory, and of course cannot be proven. However, I felt like it was an interesting idea, and wanted to share it. That said I'm suspicious of crisis and siniquity until they can prove otherwise.
He's off too a good start with naming his suspicions. He then begins by pushing suspicion on to Siniquity because of votes he has placed? Huh.. I wonder who killed Misder then. Oh yeah.. He asks alot of "why?"s but never really says anything. He posts that he believes he waited to make sure Misder would get lynched which really doesn't say much. drag_ however sees this and goes on to say that he's confused but you can clearly tell that he has no idea what any of Siniquity's behaviour means. He maintains the same pattern for analyzing Crisis_ and then follows it up by avoiding a conclusion and weakening his post's credibility by claiming that it's all only a theory. He basically admits that it all means nothing. But oh no! He's going to be suspicious of the two! Based on his activity level and his level of influence within the town, we know that nothing is ever going to happen. The post he makes here is long sure enough but it only voices his apparent confusion. It provides other players the sense that he is in fact contributing when really he isn't. Also: What ever happened to analyzing LSB?
His votes have been wishy-washy from Day 1 as well. He votes for the one person he communicates with on Day 1 and that is Kingjames. Is there any good reason other than the fact that he seemed to view Kingjames aggression as overzealous? No. He then make a vote for Misder which he NEVER mentions. Good job mate. Finally his current vote is for someone he's confused about. None of his votes are proactive or pro-town in anyway.
Drag_ has been consistently trying to fit in as part of the town while not contributing in any way other than a couple of opinion posts. He tries to make up for this by making it seem like he's posting worthy material and ignoring his blatant hypocrisy but it's just not happening. It may be a bit too hard on him to attack his weaknesses in his first game but remember: mods balances the teams so there are bound to be new players in the mafia team. I am convinced that drag_ is the most mafia-esque of them all. Death to drag_
P.S. I keep my promises although I didn't get around to making a 2 person analysis as this one was longer than I though.
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Oh and Meeple, forget all the other people I was going to analyze. You're next.
(Also wow my post is loooong lol)
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Can someone point me to a good XeliN analysis? I remember reading one but I can't find it, and in light of the large number of votes on XeliN I feel like looking over it again. (BC, I think you did an analysis on XeliN, if you want to draw up the main points against him, that would work too).
There are so many people under fire, it's really tough to put a confident vote, and like I said earlier, I want to check over the analyses and defenses thoroughly. Bold names are those that have not posted a defense, or posted a mostly inadequate (from my perspective) defense.
BloodyC0bbler - defended himself acceptably when I put him under pressure, and started posting actively and giving decent analysis. I will probably move my vote off him in light of this.
SouthRawrea - did post a defense, but I'd like a little more elaboration on why/how he decided to accuse 6 players in one post.
Amber[LighT] - Pretty much dodged the main attack on him, and has been asserting that he never advocated for lynching OpZ.
Crisis_ - has not responded to pressure. Has not voted.
CynanMachae - has disappeared under pressure (in fact, was a pretty major suspect the previous day, but he hasn't posted since last night). Has not voted.
Xelin - Seems to be a major suspect, although I need to see a comperhensive analysis of him before I'm fully convinced. The fact that he's posted a lot of bare one-liners, though, is odd.
kane]deth[ - Pressured, but responded by calling the analysis "bullshit," defense was inadequate. Has not voted.
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Okay, I'm begining to worry about the SR bandwagon. SR actually defended him self. I'm not supporting him or anything, but I'm worry about things like this
On October 12 2010 09:01 Hyperbola wrote:
##vote Southrawrea
##vote Bloodyc0bbler
People poping in, voting SR without a post, I'm just getting worried.
I'll switch my vote away from BM because obviously it won't do anything important, and place it back on kane]deth[
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On October 12 2010 09:10 LSB wrote:Okay, I'm begining to worry about the SR bandwagon. SR actually defended him self. I'm not supporting him or anything, but I'm worry about things like this Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 09:01 Hyperbola wrote:
##vote Southrawrea
##vote Bloodyc0bbler People poping in, voting SR without a post, I'm just getting worried. I'll switch my vote away from BM because obviously it won't do anything important, and place it back on kane]deth[
ok WTF
On September 08 2010 13:30 BrownBear wrote:
Signup list:
1. JeeJeeLSB
2. bumatlarge Killed Night 1, Town
3. Bill Murray
4. Pandain
5. SouthRawrea
6. Amber[LighT]
7. Infundibulum Killed Night 1, Town
8. Divinek
9. Misder Day 2 Lynch, Townie
10.SINiquity
11.XeliN
12.kane]deth[
13.~OpZ~
14.DoctorHelvetica
15.infinitestory
16.cSc Modkilled Day 2, Veteran
17.Happy.fairytail BloodyC0bbler
18.NukeTheBunnys
19.Crisis_
20.drag_
21.CynanMachae
22.meeple
23.kingjames01
24.ghrur
25.Protactinium Lynched Day 1, Village Idiot
since WHEN do we have a player named Hyperbola in this game
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DUN LET ME DIE.. Um I'm going to bandwagon my second vote by the way. I'm just kind of exhausted from Thankgiving dinner up here in Canada eh and 2 long posts in 1 day. Also: minecraft.
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On October 12 2010 09:17 Pandain wrote:
##Revive
Not enough minerals.
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On October 12 2010 09:13 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 09:10 LSB wrote:Okay, I'm begining to worry about the SR bandwagon. SR actually defended him self. I'm not supporting him or anything, but I'm worry about things like this On October 12 2010 09:01 Hyperbola wrote:
##vote Southrawrea
##vote Bloodyc0bbler People poping in, voting SR without a post, I'm just getting worried. I'll switch my vote away from BM because obviously it won't do anything important, and place it back on kane]deth[ ok WTF Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 13:30 BrownBear wrote:
Signup list:
1. JeeJeeLSB
2. bumatlarge Killed Night 1, Town
3. Bill Murray
4. Pandain
5. SouthRawrea
6. Amber[LighT]
7. Infundibulum Killed Night 1, Town
8. Divinek
9. Misder Day 2 Lynch, Townie
10.SINiquity
11.XeliN
12.kane]deth[
13.~OpZ~
14.DoctorHelvetica
15.infinitestory
16.cSc Modkilled Day 2, Veteran
17.Happy.fairytail BloodyC0bbler
18.NukeTheBunnys
19.Crisis_
20.drag_
21.CynanMachae
22.meeple
23.kingjames01
24.ghrur
25.Protactinium Lynched Day 1, Village Idiot
since WHEN do we have a player named Hyperbola in this game
LMAO. I didn't notice that
Hahahahahahahahaha
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On October 12 2010 08:50 SouthRawrea wrote:
Oh and Meeple, forget all the other people I was going to analyze. You're next.
(Also wow my post is loooong lol)
lol I've forgotten already... looking forward to it
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Looks like someone got the voting threads mixed up, lol.
Think we should keep him as a guest vote?
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On October 12 2010 09:19 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 09:13 infinitestory wrote:On October 12 2010 09:10 LSB wrote:Okay, I'm begining to worry about the SR bandwagon. SR actually defended him self. I'm not supporting him or anything, but I'm worry about things like this On October 12 2010 09:01 Hyperbola wrote:
##vote Southrawrea
##vote Bloodyc0bbler People poping in, voting SR without a post, I'm just getting worried. I'll switch my vote away from BM because obviously it won't do anything important, and place it back on kane]deth[ ok WTF On September 08 2010 13:30 BrownBear wrote:
Signup list:
1. JeeJeeLSB
2. bumatlarge Killed Night 1, Town
3. Bill Murray
4. Pandain
5. SouthRawrea
6. Amber[LighT]
7. Infundibulum Killed Night 1, Town
8. Divinek
9. Misder Day 2 Lynch, Townie
10.SINiquity
11.XeliN
12.kane]deth[
13.~OpZ~
14.DoctorHelvetica
15.infinitestory
16.cSc Modkilled Day 2, Veteran
17.Happy.fairytail BloodyC0bbler
18.NukeTheBunnys
19.Crisis_
20.drag_
21.CynanMachae
22.meeple
23.kingjames01
24.ghrur
25.Protactinium Lynched Day 1, Village Idiot
since WHEN do we have a player named Hyperbola in this game LMAO. I didn't notice that Hahahahahahahahaha
He's from the other mafia game... just got confused lol
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If he got the voting threads mixed up, that doesn't explain why he voted for two suspects in this game, including one who isn't in Haunted Mafia at all.
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Lol a smurf.
I've just caught up with the thread, I've been away to montreal all weekend so this is my reason for even lower activityduring the last two days.
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