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Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 24 2010 15:22 GMT

#490

On September 24 2010 18:53 Incognito wrote:
Pandain/BrownBear have been completely inactive today. What is up?

Also RoL please vote!

So has your partner, my partner, and BC (I guess not 'completely inactive' but you get the point).

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 24 2010 19:40 GMT

#496

On September 24 2010 19:22 meeple wrote:

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On September 24 2010 18:50 Incognito wrote:

That's all really misleading... I have stated my own thoughts on a number of occasions... if we are mafia, why would we go after a team that has previously had no real suspicions put upon them by anyone else... instead of simply following the crowd and gone after someone with the heat on. There's no reason for me to make enemies, townie or red...

When I get time, and if it isn't done already by my partner YellowInk, I'll get into that more comprehensive analysis of team 6.

Simple. You think Team 6 is the most scummy team that isn't you or your scumbuddy. You have every incentive as mafia to go after a new team (Team 6), especially since the other option (Team 1) isn't so palatable from your point of view. Team 6 is pretty inactive, and you're going to have to save yourself somehow, so no reason not to vote Team 6. There are plenty of reasons to be suspicious of Team 6. The reasons just arent as good as the reasons for you or Team 1.

I'll agree that a lot of Foolishness's "analysis" is sketchy and is a stretch. But there are some good points there. To all those saying Meeple never takes any stands, check out ALL of meeple's posts in TL Mafia XXVII. Not just the first 10 or so. He definitely contributes his thoughts about lynch targets/other characters. Here's a few excerpts:

On June 15 2010 11:23 meeple wrote:
I trust Ludwig with almost no doubts... much more than moocow... and I trust them both more than some other people.

There's a slight chance of there being mafia amongst our dts... but like radfield said, its questionable whether this is a good time to start offing claimed blues.

flamewheel's willingness to undergo a check makes me hesitate to push a check on him... but it doesn't put him in the clear obviously. I would try for a redtooth alignment check tonight... or Chez...

On June 15 2010 11:33 meeple wrote:
Ludwig has been active... but he's just active at a different time... totally offset from North American time.

I never said you were suspicious... I just said that I trust Ludwig... mostly because if he was mafia there's no way he would've stepped in before. His trusting of L isn't suspicious, tons of people followed L's plan...

His reactions when Chez was shooting people was genuine I felt... he was just confused, as was I, at what the hell was going on.

I have no reason to distrust you, and for sure you're low on the list of suspects...

On June 15 2010 02:00 meeple wrote:
I'm down with RoL more than Vivi57... there's little/no case to be made for/against Vivi since he's so inactive.

On June 15 2010 02:06 meeple wrote:
Having said that and then going through his posts... RoL is pretty damn inactive too...

I'll have to think more about which one is more deserving

On June 13 2010 04:07 meeple wrote:
I don't agree with lynching Chez on the grounds of inactivity though. If I have some time to go through posts I'll come up with more suspects.

On June 17 2010 08:26 meeple wrote:
Ludwig is most definitely the roleblocker... that's the only way he can hold up his claims to be a dt...

Also... Radfield is the last mafia I beleive... too many close inexplicable ties with Ludwig then last minute trying to push away.

I trusted Ludwig because I was being impulsive about his defense of me early on and took a risk (and a rather stupid one)... but when I didn't die I thought that it kinda proved that he wasn't red... since who wouldn't take a lovely medic dangled in front of you like that. I didn't really trust Radfield... was kinda forced into it by Ludwig...

Anyways... tommorow's lynch of radfield should clinch the game for us...

Meeple states his trust, states who to rolecheck, agrees/disagrees on lynching certain targets, and gives more input on the situation with the last quote. Notice how he consistently doesn't like lynching on inactivity. Notice how that contrasts with this game, where he wants to lynch BC based on uselessness/inactivity...

Lastly,

On June 16 2010 11:28 meeple wrote:
Alright so... first things first... I'm the medic... The mafia knows it by know and so should the town. Obviously I claimed watcher because there was a shitload of greens and it was simply more believable.

I had been in PM contact with Ludwig a little and later claimed medic to him since he had defended me in the thread... through him I also had PM contact with Radfield, who also knew me as the medic (through Ludwig... not my decision to tell him)

Now... not too long after I claimed to be watcher and had "found" the medic, Foolishness PMs me wondering why I hadn't contacted him yet and claims watcher and tells me (to prove that he's a watcher) that tree.hugger also visited Ludwig last night. Of course, I couldn't have known that, but regardless I was just so fucking elated that we had a medic/watcher pair, since now we can coordinate.

Things proceed, now with me thinking I had a solid base with a watcher by my side... until I get a PM from L, asking me if Foolishness is the medic... I respond somewhat vaguely, but give him a strong indication that Foolishness is indeed the medic... knowing that if they went after him I could always protect him. Then L flips Godfather and the shit hits the fan and I knew that L would've told the rest of the reds to go after Foolishness. So tonight we schemed... I protected Foolishness, and he watched himself to see who hit him.

AND IT WAS MOTHER FUCKING + Show Spoiler +

LUDWIG

The same friggin dude that I had supported and backed like a moron...

Anyways... we lynch him today and we're down to 1 red...

meeple was involved in a blue roles scheme. I know we don't have as complex blue roles this game, but meeple was certainly contributing in the other game. On the other hand, meeple has zero useful contributions this game. And no thoughts on lynch targets either. Except for team 6.

That was an awesome game... but taken out of context you can't say that I need to act the same every game. Behavioral analysis can only go so far... I was a power role then, and as such I acted differently from when I'm a townie, as in this game.

I haven't taken stands because as far as I'm concerned there's no stands to take... I haven't been really confident yet... although one is starting to develop. You seem to have developed quite the following... when you cast a vote you have a couple buddies that nod along and sheep with you.

Are you confident enough in your analysis to say that you should be next when we flip green?

I'm definitely pushing team 8 if you flip green.

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 24 2010 20:22 GMT

#501

On September 25 2010 05:10 Pandain wrote:
EBWOP:
LSB's contradiction isn't so criminalizing anymore as I now note he said "we don't have to use no lynch today. " so still suscipsious, but keep that in mind.
Also,
##Vote Team One

Okay, but what do you have to say about the link between teams 1 and 7? From my point of view (and probably Incognito's as well) voting for team 1 is the same as voting for team 7.

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 24 2010 21:58 GMT

#509

Is there anything in particular that makes you all want to kill team 6 over anyone else? I'm alright not killing team 7 at the moment, but you all seem to be voting for team 6 as a "well we need a team that's not team 7, okay let's go with 6" instead of thinking they're actually mafia.

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 24 2010 23:10 GMT

#517

The link between teams 1 and 7 is pretty clear. I don't think it makes much of a difference between the two. We should be considering either team 6 or 7 instead, and not team 1.

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 25 2010 14:58 GMT

#537

On September 25 2010 17:53 Incognito wrote:
Dang I'm good at being pro-mafia. I'm too disheartened to defend myself, so go ahead and lynch me. I will still be voting for Team 1, although nobody is in the clear at this point. This is our last chance to lynch a mafia, and nobody's really done a good job at looking pro-town at this point.

Did you really just say that?

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 26 2010 02:02 GMT

#548

On September 26 2010 10:53 Incognito wrote:
Its pretty sad I guessed wrong both times.

Night 1 it was between Ace and our team, tonight it was between Pandain/BB and Team 2. Guessed wrong both times and someone died. Actually my fault, since there were slightly more interesting reasons to protect both Ace + Pandain/BB. Not thinking T_T

You're guessing wrong again with your vote there by the way.

Consider a few things from my perspective (that I'm green).

You wanted to kill team 1. Team 1 voted to kill team 6 yesterday, and team 1 originally voted to kill team 2 the first day (before moving to No Lynch). After reviewing the votes and suspicions it doesn't seem to make much sense for any of the mafia to have voted for their teammate. Assuming that nobody is linked to team 1 (except for rastaban and I).

Your teammate revealed that you were either red or blue. Apparently you're claiming blue now. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt for now and believe your claim, although I'm sure other people are going to have something to say about it.

Thus that leaves teams 2 and 6 as mafia.

Vote: team 6

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 26 2010 03:35 GMT

#551

On September 26 2010 11:59 Infundibulum wrote:
i did? i need to start posting on no sleep

fix'd

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 26 2010 03:53 GMT

#554

On September 26 2010 12:45 Infundibulum wrote:
Really though, where did i say that? I feel dumb now

Doesn't really matter. Just look through all of BC's posts and tell me how he could possibly not be mafia.

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 26 2010 06:00 GMT

#563

How about we just let bygones be bygones and all vote for team 2 eh?

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 26 2010 15:36 GMT

#576

Okay so let's see. One of team 6 and 8 is mafia. Team 8 wanted to kill team 1 the other day. Team 1 voted to kill team 6 yesterday (also made some analysis). I still don't think it's probable that the mafia would be voting for each other or posting analysis against each other at that stage of the game (why go through the effort when the town was misguided anyways?) This makes it unlikely that team 1 is mafia since they have a very weak connection to team 6 and team 8. Thus it seems that team 2 is probably the other mafia team, with either 6 or 8.

Of course this is all from my perspective (assuming I'm green). A big part of me feels like we should just kill team 2 now and let team 6 and team 8 duke it out over who's medic (the more time they have to argue the more obvious the real medic will become).

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 26 2010 19:01 GMT

#582

I have voted for team 6 already.

As I said, currently I believe the IN's that they are the medic (subject to change of course). I already said twice how it doesn't make much sense for team 1 to be mafia because it doesn't seem plausible for them to be related to anyone other team in the game (except for Rastaban and I, but that would mean one of you medic claimers is green, which is not right). That means that teams 2 and 6 must be mafia.

There's not really much else I can say because it seems obvious from my perspective. I realize that that means very little from your points of view. Honestly I don't know why I expect anyone to change to team 2, I'm keeping my vote on team 6 probably, it just makes a lot of sense from my perspective. I'm not going to push it because I don't want to distract from the medic debate going on, since we'd probably all agree that's the most important topic in the town right now.

BC being inactive through this is not helping your case though. Infundibulum is the one convincing me team 8 is medic, not Incognito.

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 28 2010 00:27 GMT

#621

Vote for team 6 dude. If the town has their votes spread out the mafia will just change last minute and auto win. It's too late to lynch someone else, either vote team 6 or give mafia auto win.

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 28 2010 01:25 GMT

#630

Team 6 and 8 both mafia lol

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 29 2010 04:08 GMT

#654

I think this confirms Incognito and Infundibulum as medic. If we assume they are mafia, then the situations as follows:

1) We have a medic, which doesn't make sense since they would have said something by now.
2) There is no medic. But this does not make sense either since Incognito and Infundibulum claimed to have protected themselves. If they were mafia, it'd be much more plausible for them to say they protected team 3 (or any other team maybe). This is because they'd instantly be seen as confirmed, and rastaban and I would instantly be on their side, and they'd virtually have no way of losing. Also consider that it'd be believable for the mafia to hit us (team 3), especially given that people were talking about it during the night.

Long way of saying what we pretty much already know, but it's more reason not to doubt their claim, and more reason for us to focus on teams 1 through 3. I still think team 2 is mafia at the moment, but I'll be looking.

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 29 2010 14:23 GMT

#665

Yes, you're right, that is weird logic there.

I still say team 2 is mafia over team 1 since it doesn't make much sense for team 1 to have been voting for their mafia buddy the other day. You haven't even commented on this "process of elimination" that I have posted about multiple times have you? I already said that it probably doesn't mean much to the rest of you but when it's plain obvious to me at the moment it's hard to say anything more.

At least team 1 has put in effort to defending people. When we were lynching team 7 they backed them up properly. If they were mafia (team 1) why bother putting up their mafia buddy as the other lynch, especially since RoL and BC looked really bad due to inactivity and lack of contributing. They could have easily just pushed for team 2 since team 2 was taking heat from the first day. Team 1 has made those long posts, has tried to figure things out. Have you seen team 2 do any of that from any of their 3 players? Not so much. SouthRawrea makes a semi-long post from time to time but that's about it.

Not to mention, I just went through 2 past games with each of these three. When they weren't mafia they were much more aggressive in their posting and calling people out. I haven't seen any of them perform as they did the last game when they were town. Almost all of their votes have been "yeah I agree with you, let's vote this guy", and Divinek just pulled it again after you accused me.

If you ask me, the choice between hitting you and hitting rastaban and I isn't an easy decision to make. That's probably debatable though.

And yes dude, I realize completely that I probably haven't been performing up to my usual town standards (although I thought my meeple analysis was sound at the time). And yes dude, I realize that rastaban hasn't really done anything in the thread this game. But I'm sitting here trying to figure things out and making sure that I'm not wrong about team 2. Team 2 hasn't done anything but blindly vote for anyone who's not team 6 (except when it was clear team 6 was getting lynched).

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

September 30 2010 23:38 GMT

#686

I'm relatively confused on why you guys (Incognito in particular) think that we (team 3) have a higher chance of being mafia than any of the other teams. You've summarized my posts and said they were "sketchy" at best. That's great and all except somebody says that about me every game regardless of my role, and that's the best you've said about me. Compared to your analysis of team 1 earlier in the game or any of the facts said about team 2 it seems that rastaban and I should be the most confirmed as innocent if we are sketchy at best. Not to mention I thought you said earlier we were pretty much confirmed due to something or another?

The day when we lynched meeple, team 1 argued not to kill them because they thought they were town. That doesn't say much about what their role might be. However, they chose team 6 as a better lynch than meeple and company. It doesn't make much sense for team 1 to be mafia and accuse their mafia buddy like that. Especially consider that everyone was in agreement that RoL and BC were incredibly shady (I highly considered switching my vote from meeple to team 6, but didn't). If they were mafia, why try to deflect votes off of meeple onto their mafia buddy? They could have easily tried to push it on team 2 or us (team 3) given that rastaban and I have been relatively inactive and team 2 already had a bunch of arguments against them on the first day.

I look at this and say team 1 is probably innocent. I didn't need to look at someone's exact wording and call it "sketchy". As I've said before, since I know I'm town, this leaves team 2 as mafia.

Since you don't know that, why is team 2 mafia? Simple reason being they didn't vote for BC and RoL until after teams 8 and team 3 did. Yes I realize that neither did team 1, but they showed more signs of "let's try to figure things out" than "well better join the bandwagon so we don't look suspicious". Further more, team 2 has hardly done any analysis or thought posting of their own. If you look back, they have all frequently only voted for someone after seeing someone else doing it and saying "wow that makes sense you must be right" and not saying anything more. You can call my analysis of meeple "sketchy" (I thought it was fine, but I was a tad bit rushed) but at least I tried to post something that nobody else had, which is much more than team 2. LSB has at the very least tried analyzing people, and has been posting his thoughts. Pyrry's been a bit off, but keep in mind Pyrry just played a game where he spent the entire game (almost literally) spamming away my posts and trying to get my lynched because I was mafia, and he turned out wrong. Anyone who had done that and went into their next mafia game would be scared to call out anyone or do analysis because of their huge commitment mistake (I think I recall Pyrry saying something like "I know 100% certainty that Foolishness is mafia".

If team 1 is mafia, at least they deserve the win more than team 2. Not that that means much.

I've also noticed that team 2 has hardly done any actual defending. I'm defending myself while trying to show that team 2 is mafia. Team 2 is more or less not defending themselves, and trying to push rastaban and I as mafia. Wouldn't you agree it's much harder to defend yourself as mafia? I'm sure Pyrry could comment on this with his wonderful definition of "chainsaw defending".

Vote Team 2

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

October 01 2010 02:01 GMT

#691

On October 01 2010 10:28 Infundibulum wrote:
ugh so it's literally up to me, i have the deciding vote. this sucks

Look at team 2 and their lack of wanting to figure things out. Even if you think I'm all "sketchy" like your partner, I'm legitimately trying to figure things out, and I have been this whole game. Team 2 has done nothing but agree with other peoples' analysis without posting their own. Look at how they voted for team 6. Rastaban and I were one of the first few people to vote for them. Why would we vote for our mafia buddies so early? Especially considering I had posted things saying I was suspicious of you and Incognito earlier. It would've been easy for rastaban and I to go against you. My original plan on day 2 was to lynch meeple and if he turned up green to get you lynched. Wouldn't have been hard for us to jump on you guys and agree with RoL. At the very least we could put our votes on you.

2 members on team 2 voted for team 1 as soon as the day started (bum and divinek). This was probably cause they thought it'd be an easy lynch since Incognito wanted to kill them. Yet as soon as Incognito says that rastaban and I are mafia, they both jump ship and agree. That should raise red flags.