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On August 06 2010 10:51 JeeJee wrote: /sign stupid caller and his whippersnapper game :S Is that still going on? I kindof want to join in if it is. | ||
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On August 21 2010 08:28 Bill Murray wrote: see, this is where radfield is being unhelpful. Just claim some numbers, man. you are, too, citi.zen, for joking. You know what I mean. I know Radfield is helping through policy discussion and game theory. Durr. chaoser:4 Pandain:6 Bill: 7 Hesmyrr/zeks: 8 you see how this helps, now? I was going to pick 6. I had sent in [6] [4]. I knew to change when I saw pandain say that. Mafia will be picking single digit numbers, honestly. The highest they might pick is around 10-12, but I seriously doubt that. ( i think they did that last game, though, but it was honestly dumb to do that) I won last game by picking like [17]. We didn't claim what we were picking, so there were a lot of doubleups on numbers. If the town coordinates on the numbers they're picking, the mafia will be forced to claim and follow what they claimed, or lie to us. rastaban: 3 chaoser:4 LSB: 5 Pandain:6 Bill: 7 Hesmyrr/zeks: 8 I will be picking 5,1 | ||
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JeeJee: 1 DTA: 2 rastaban: 3 chaoser:4 LSB: 5 Bill: 6 Hesmyrr/zeks: 8 Pandain: 12 | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Floridian Pardoner Bad Santa Vengeful Player Day Vig Role Cop Tracker Joat Bullet Bill Alignment Cop Bulletproof Veteran Meth Man Doctor Doctor Mason Copy Cat Watcher Comp Vig Martyr Just randomly assign people to a role. Then, role cops / watchers have their job a lot easier. Also, if a person picks a role, and discovers he's vanilla, its another way to detect something fishy. | ||
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The day vigi can kill me day 1 to verify that I am town. | ||
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But why is Day Vig a mafia role? | ||
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On August 23 2010 07:06 Pandain wrote: #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #5 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #6 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #7 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #9 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #10 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role(Doctor, Doctor, Alignment Cop, Watcher, Copy Cat, Mason. You choose) #11 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #12 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #13: 50% Bad santa, 50% doctor. #14. 50% Bad Santa, 50% doctor #15. 50% Bad Santa, 50% Copy cat/doctor(25 % each) #16. 50% bad santa, 50% Copycat/doctor (25 percent each) #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other The draft as of now. However, this does lead to tracker being less common. Any other suggestions? I'm assuming this is going to be completely randomized? Yes/no? Cause if #1 draft slot is going to draft Comp Vig, shouldn't it be quiet easy for the Mafia to stack their people as the first three picks, since a bunch of people have already declared and turned in their numbers? | ||
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On August 23 2010 07:52 Pandain wrote: The draft list will be revealed. If we just assigned roles, then mafia would know who to hit. People can change numbers. I know I am. I suggest people to do the same I guess we just sit back and see what happens. I support this plan, as long as it doesn't seem obvious that people were sniped out of positions. Too think of it, even if we announce numbers, mafia would have a hard time sniping positions. Say they only had 4 numbers. That means they can only get someone from the top 6 initial positions to the top 3 (since they can only 'collide' with so many people). Announcing numbers is a trade off. A bit of risk for a bit of data. If a few people claimed it still may be beneficial to see who got sniped. It would still be random, but we'd get some information from it. I will now just say, I have picked 5 | ||
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On August 23 2010 08:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: Whatever Bill. Go do what you do best. Had fun. Any bets that OpZ or Bill are going to draft Day Vig and kill someone day1? | ||
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On August 23 2010 10:54 Ace wrote: I spoke to Korynne and she said she wont have the time to replace in. She does have a life to live ya know?  What's that? #4 33% comp vig, 33% bad santa, 33% prince of darkness RNGing now | ||
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On August 23 2010 11:01 Divinek wrote: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED You knocked down JeeJee/DTA? | ||
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On August 24 2010 07:49 Ace wrote: Ok this should be it.
Okay, a big problem. I already sent my role into Ace. I won't disclose which one it is, but I RNGed it. I don't know if I can change my role. The mafia might be able to slip through, but the chances of them doing so would be 33%, pretty low good for us. Hesmyrr's pick will be a problem of course. I think it would be best if Hesmyrr didn't deviate too far from the plan. Possibly picking some defensive role or role not mentioned on the list? | ||
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Like Citi.zen said On August 24 2010 08:51 citi.zen wrote: Bm is only ok as Mafia, otherwise he's disruptive or worse. Would be ok lynching him... why not :-) | ||
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So here are the people and their claims so far Chaoser, Subverion Me Hesmyrr: Claims to have RNGed CV and failed Zeks SouthRawrea: Claims to have Picked Traitor and failed Let’s take a look at specific people SouthRawrea Assuming SouthRawrea is town: As town, SouthRawrea would have incentive to immediately tell what happened. It would be perfectly natural. So if he’s town, he’s telling the truth. Assuming SouthRawrea is mafia: This could be a mafia disruption tactic. (see Penalty Mafia, how Bill Murray goes in and acts completely scummy). By sending SouthRawrea, immediately a witchhunt goes on, trying to lynch random people, buying the Mafia valuable time. For example SouthRawrea drafts Prince of Darkness. He’d end up vanilla. He then claims that he drafted traitor but failed. The town would proceed to kill Subverion, Me, Hesmyrr, Chaoser (maybe even Zeks too). And SouthRawrea wouldn’t have trouble persuading the town to kill these “useless anti-town roles”. Boom. That’s a lot of people dead. It would take us 4-5 innocent lynches to take down SouthRawrea, a very good trade off. Like citi.zen said Citi.zen: What worries me here is that if we screw up 3-4 lynches it’s quite possible we lost. Hesmyrr Out of the top 5, Hesmyrr is the most likely to want to pick Traitor. Because, his role is boring. He is supposed to check to see if Me/Sub/Chao picked the correct role. Probably getting a vanilla role. There is a very small chance that he might make a discovery. On the other hand, he could take traitor, probably won’t be caught, because really, no one will check him. Perfect position. The fact that Hesmyrr could be an undetectable traitor is very troubling. Chaoser, confirmed by Hesmyrr. The chances that Subverion/zeks took his role and Chaoser took traitor is very slim. Subverion: Bad Santa is defiantly an interesting role Zeks: idk Me: PoD ftw! I haz cool role that the mafia wants badly. Muhhahahahaha! What happens if we lynch… SouthRawrea: He flips Mafia, we know that there isn’t a traitor. (Or, there is a traitor, but the mafia doesn’t know about it, and the traitor could be anywhere) Flips town, we know that there is a traitor. Hesmyrr He flips traitor: :D! Flips town: We know that Chaoser is town. Confirming Chaoser: It’s quiet easy to confirm Chaoser, we simply tell the CV “IF you are Chaoser, kill SouthRawrea. IF you are not Chaoser, kill someone else” Confirming Me/Zeks/Subverion. It’s a bad idea to tell us to use our roles. Well, Sub can’t. I’m not dumb, and Zeks should remain hidden. We could have the role cop check on people’s roles. That seems good at a glance, but I don’t know if we want to trade our role cop, for someone that isn’t yet a mafia member and might not count as a mafia member. | ||
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If that is so, it is not a good idea to lynch SR, because he could just add kp, but rather we should have the CV kill off SR I want a bit more time before i make a decision Im 60% sure that SR is the vengeful mafia (a great way to pull off an extra KP, trying to get lynched) But im going to need more proof | ||
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On August 26 2010 04:14 Radfield wrote: It really doesn't make sense for SouthRawrea to be red or SK. Given that ANY action can flip the traitor, I say we lynch #2 and CompVig #3 and rolecheck #5. I guess I'm inclined to trust Hesmyrr, given his play in RotK mafia. But we lose nothing but time from those lynches anyways and we can at least be assured then that they aren't mafia. Obviously SR isnt the SK But SR could be mafia, buying time is very very important. Im going to reference the penalty mafia game i just played BillMurray goes off, accuses ace scummyly. The vote gets switched to Pyrr, since people think bill and pyrr are working together. The second day, ace is dead, everyone is confused. Bill stalls again, and jumps on a bandwagon to kill youngminii By this time, bill has divided the town, and koryne gets lynched the third day. Koryn flips town, we all swear to kill BM the 4th day, but, its too late. | ||
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On August 26 2010 04:20 Radfield wrote: Also how did Subversion get in there? He drafted 7th I think. Ooooppss sry guys, i must have copied the first few roles wrong Replace choaser's name with Rastaban. And replace Subverions name with Choaser XD sry | ||
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On August 26 2010 04:23 citi.zen wrote: That was supposed to be a quote from LSB. And I guess he meant Rastaban. Good to know im not the only one here with the trouble. Yeah, hesmyrr is a really safe, 2 for 1 deal. But the main problem is if SR is lying. If SR is lying he wants us to go witch hunting. Bad idea Possible course of action 1. We lynch Hesmyrr 2. If rastaban is confirmed, have him kill SR 3. Have a role cop check me. (or choaser) Next day we get the results. SR is town. I'm town, that means choaser is traitor (or maybe zeks) SR is red. No traitor. We have rasta confirmed townie Personally i feel that the role cop should check Choaser, since that would help us tell if the traitor (if there is one) is Choaser or Zeks. But maybe run an RNG and see? But the problem is using the role cop (he's revealed, but I guess we could medic him) I will commit to this ##Vote: Hesmyrr | ||
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On August 26 2010 04:30 zeks wrote: In addition, some suggestions for the watcher/tracker: Watcher: If the traitor lives after tonight, watch a random person out of the people remaining from #2 - #5 Tracker: A little bit tougher, but starting from me (#5) we have the possibility of people with active roles. Might be able to snipe scum this way either from their hit or attempts to spam actions to recruit the traitor. So pick someone from #5 - #20 (somewhat big range) Whats the point of the watcher? The mafia isnt going to try to kill the traitor. Converting is nice, but not a nessesity. | ||
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Before, I thought, that if we went for the traitor, we'd waste a lot of time trying to hunt it down. But with this we can pull this off in one night. Very efficient. The traitor then QQs cause it didnt do anything XD At the same time, all my doubts about SR are awnsered. Very nice! | ||
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It confirms rasta's role. Which is incredible important to help us control the CV. It also means that rasta is not traitor (thats what I was thinking when referring to him as 'town') | ||
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I was like, "oooooh! Freudian Slip!" But then i was like, I can understand that | ||
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On August 26 2010 06:00 Radfield wrote: That leaves picks 2-4. The most dangerous player there right now is pick #3. If LSB is mafia, and took PoD according to the plan(which he likely would if mafia), then chances are he will use it tonight. With all the focus being on picks 2-4, there is a very good chance he will get found out in the next day or so. Hence, if mafia, he will use the power tonight. Thats assuming I am mafia. But the fact is, as town, I'm not going to use my ability. Unless you give me an extremaly compelling reason. I will not use it. Hypothetical, say I was mafia and I followed your plan. Boom! I get revealed. I die. That's a pretty bad plan for the mafia What I'm saying here, is that if we accept that picks 2-4 are equally likely to be the traitor, then we should lynch pick 3, solely for the additional reason that if mafia, he is extremely dangerous, and will likely use his power tonight(so time is of the essence on the lynch). However, the thing is, 2-4 are NOT equally likely to be the traitor. Check out my post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=29#575 I claim that Spot 4 is the most likely to be traitor. | ||
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On August 26 2010 09:00 Subversion wrote: I don't really understand why we're voting for Hesmyrr? I guess day 1 lynch is always a little bit of a crap shoot though. Can someone tell me concisely why we going for him? He has the most incentive to be the Traitor (his role is probably going to be vanilla anyways, sounds boring) He has the best cover (he easily can claim vanilla) On the off chance that it is a Mislynch, his death confirms that Choaser is not the Traitor. | ||
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is disastrous for me to even consider using it early. If ever I did this analysis during the drafting phase of PyP. I did some (major) editing to account for the DayVig Standard Scenario Assumptions SK: 1. Always kills a town Mafia: 2. Always kills a town CompVig: 1. Kills town on even nights, kills mafia on odd nights. Does not die (Mafia doesn’t want to kill the CompVig, unless he starts hitting reds 100%) Lynching: We lynch a town on our first two tries, and then we lynch mafia the rest of the time All the other KP stopping/Adding KP just ‘balances out’. Not using my power (Expected Outcome) Day 1: 13/4/1 Night 1: 12/4/1 Day 2: 10/4/1 Night 2: 9/4/1 Day 3: 6/4/1 Night 3: 6/3/1 Day 4: 4/2/1 Night 4: 4/1/1 Day 5: 1/1/1 Total Days: 4 Using My power 1st night Day 1: 13/4/1 Night 1: 12/4/1 Night 2: 10/4/1 Day 3: 7/4/1 Night 3: 6/4/1 Day 4: 3/3/1 Worse Odds Total Days: 3 Using My power 2nd night Day 1: 13/4/1 Night 1: 12/4/1 Day 2: 10/4/1 Night 2: 9/4/1 Night 3: 6/4/1 Day 4: 4/3/1 Night 4: 4/2/1 Day 5: 2/2/1 Total Days: 3 Generally: Using my power ends the game one day earlier. Even though we do get role checks, lynching is a major town power that allows us to kill mafia. The more lynches the better Conclusion: Even though this analysis is in a vacuum with no other roles. It isvery dangerous, and benefits the mafia greatly. I have to watch out for people wanting to use my power. | ||
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On August 26 2010 22:35 rastaban wrote: Well it is a no lynch and 48 hours of discussion lost. At least in a no lynch you learn what wanted the no lynch and get some voting patterns. I don't see how you could not realize that it is incredibly bad. Here is what we have barring medics and extra NKs: 19 - 1 (day vig) 18 - 3 (lynch, SK, Mafia) 15 - 4(lynch, SK, Mafia, Me) 11 - 4(lynch, SK, Mafia, Me) 7 Thats right we have 3 lynches and 2 comp vig kills to nab mafia or SK before we run out of time. That means we have to nab mafia in one of those 5 hits (OR the SKs) or we can't win the vote. Now I agree it is likely we will but, to pretend like a no lynch or Prince of Darkness isn't a pure mafia role is terrible miscalculation. 19 - 1 (day vig) 18 - 6 (lynch, SK, Mafia, SK, Mafia, Me) 12 - 4(lynch, SK, Mafia, Me) 8 See while it seems funny that the day vig killed BM because he tends to spam post or you might find him annoying it, this is why Radfield I believe pushed so hard for town not to take KP roles. That 1 extra KP puts us at instant lose if no mafia die by second lynch if PoD activates. Please stop trying to find ways to use the PoD, its ONLY use is to help mafia. if it activates, we kill them end of story. @Opz, this is also why role cop was considered so good. If town took 0 KP roles then when RC found one we could lynch them, it also made BB able to lynch when he found a gun since it was mafia. Since we now have the day vig claiing to be town, and possibly others this method isn't as sure fire, because BB will find he has a gun just like he finds mafia have a gun. RC sees him with a KP role, that we left to go to mafia. If your wondering about my post, it is to say that I arrived at roughly the same conclusion that you did I really wan't to hear Paldian. Please explain yourself and your motives | ||
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On August 27 2010 02:20 citi.zen wrote: In the penalty mafia you argued with Ace and constantly tried to find reds. In this game, on the other hand, you've had many posts like this one: lots of words to "roughly reach the same conclusion" as the rest of us. Let me show you what I mean. First, posts that add no content: Then, posts that are wrong, add no content, and include ideas you never return to (again, surprising given your style last game): Had me scratch me head, and that was before you added this bit a minute later: Right, we should let you (unconfirmed player) PM everyone their roles, in a game where there are no PMs. Pandain replies with this weak message: LSB immediately backs down, even though Pandain hardly said anything: After today's lynch you will be my best target. As an added bonus, as you yourself say, your role will not help the town at any rate. You paint a picture of me that is completly incorrect and then you claim that I am not following it and therefore call me out? I am not recklass. I do not argue with anyone untill I am certain that they are mafia. I might have made a mistake about Ace, but your preformance was desicive, in a bad way. Look back at my posts in the games. I am analytic, I discuss plans, and I look at incentives. Please don't spread wrong information | ||
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But its halarious why you think I 'backed down'. The reason why I backed down is that there are No PMs . | ||
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On August 27 2010 02:25 Pandain wrote: *Whisks off his mask.* Curses! How did you konw I was really Paldain the whole time? But I'm confused by your statement LSB. What do I have to explain and why would I have motives(unless you're accusing me of mafia, in which case I wouldn't tell you  )I just want to see where you stand. I believe if you're town, you'd have a logical reason. | ||
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On August 27 2010 02:32 citi.zen wrote: Perhaps you also didn't read your own "explanatory" post, where you say you just hadn't read Radfield's plan. I know what I am talking about. That post was to explain that I had not found a flaw in his plan The fact that there is no pms is why i decided not to expand on my idea Just wondering. So why did you not include that post in your "analysis" of me? Is it because its easier to twist my words to fit your own thoughts? Why did you not include any of my real Day 1 posts, and instead settle on my posts to help keep track of things? The person you portray does not exist | ||
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Use of my power | ||
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On August 27 2010 02:42 citi.zen wrote: You misunderstand: I am NOT criticizing your play last game. On the contrary, I agree entirely with your description of your style that game - analytic, discussing plans, looking at incentives. What bothers me is your are NOT doing any of that this time around. You are merely trying to blend in, making long posts that offer no new information and proposing "plans" that do nothing. Last game you called my style scummy o.o If you find my style this game scummy, its no suprise, cause i played the same The only reason why I am not attacking people is that I have not made any informed decisions. Im not going to quote random posts and accuse someone randomly. For example, im not accusing you, because I know from last game you play very scummyly | ||
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On August 27 2010 02:45 citi.zen wrote: You mean real posts like this one: Even you know that was weak, so you followed it up with this: Protip: press the "All" button. Hit control-f. LSB Obviously you have not done so | ||
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On August 26 2010 04:21 citi.zen wrote: Hesmyrr He flips traitor: :D! Flips town: We know that Chaoser is town. Please don't confuse roles with alignments. That said, I will likely vote for Hesmyrr at this time. | ||
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On August 27 2010 05:23 DarthThienAn wrote: ##Vote DarthThienAn - placeholder ofc. I'm confused - why do we believe SR again? If you don't believe him, its best to kill him in the night anyways. Because it is pretty likely that SR could have taken vengeful player. A lynch would give the mafia another KP | ||
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On August 27 2010 08:50 chaoser wrote: Hey guys, so I just finished reading everything through the pain of my mouth ;_;. Seems like we've settled on Hess being lynched. I was confused as to why if he's townie, I'm a confirmed townie. Maybe I missed something? Also, since I'm bad Santa, should I make my list public as soon as I get the ability to kill someone so we can deliberate? Oh oops. that was me accidentally mixing up you and Rastaban. So if Hess flips town, Rasta is confirmed. It has been said that you should make your list public. That way we can know if the mafia hits someone in the list. But your idea is better, that way it's like a DT | ||
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On August 27 2010 11:33 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Go my buddy LSB! (Just wanted an excuse to post because it is my birthday today on TL and tomorrow in real life  )Hahaha thanks! Happy Early Birthday Bro!! | ||
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There has been a lot of suspision on whether or not SR is geniuine. SR could be trying to lynch himself to prove that there is a traitor. HOWEVER. This would be wasting two lynches for very little information. A very promafia tactic This casts some doubt on my side On the other hand, there is a lot of suspicion on SR. Possibly he could be a mafia going on a sucide run, seing how much damages and fake associations he can make before he dies. The real question then is, is 1 town dead due to Vengeful Player worth 1 mafia? | ||
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On August 28 2010 00:18 JeeJee wrote: i do find it odd that sr is asking himself to be lynched just because he guessed the traitor placement wrong. if anything, he should get cv'd, but if he flips vanilla town, we wouldn't be any further along and i don't think a mafia would just ask for a selflynch (wifom blah blah) otoh is traitor hunting even that high of a priority? unless mafia kp goes up to 2 with that extra player, its not like it's monumental enough to drop everything else imo I feel that traitor hunting is a good focus, because we either know 1) there is a traitor or 2) SR is mafia. Since the traitor is practically mafia, it should be an easy kill. But the problem is, the actual kill is kind of iffy. Once we kill the traitor, thats just one mafia gone, there wont be a trail of breadcrumbs. Mafia hunting on the other hand could lead to a nice catch and the pleanty of lynches. But in order to do that, we have to analyize people's contributions, and the topic of the traitor is a good discussion | ||
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On August 28 2010 04:12 SouthRawrea wrote: What's with all the confusion about the type of vanilla? Night post said it was Vanilla townie and the colour of the word was green? I think he's wonder what kind of result the role cop would get. Ace already said that Vanilla Sk/Mafia/Town would return the same result. Vanilla | ||
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On August 28 2010 14:44 SiNiquity wrote: I disagree with this as well. Suppose you're traitor, and the town's on to you (i.e. you're in the top 5). It's night, you have a chance to be recruited, and you know Night ends at 9 PM EST. You check the thread, refreshing every few minutes to see what happened. Night post goes up and you see the following things:
It's very easy to put two and two together and realize what happened (you took the hit and got recruited). Night post was at 10:06, Zeks claimed at 10:17. 11 minutes (+/- 1 minute). Heck, even a Mafia watching the events unfold could've PM'ed to Zeks to claim the hit. Plenty of time. Don't mistake this for me saying that Zeks is absolutely the traitor -- I just don't agree with the conclusion you've reached (i.e. that he's most likely not the traitor) based on the fact that he claimed quickly. Bed for real now 11 minutes actually is quite a long time if you think about it. In other games where I F5F5F5F5, I'd check my pms, and get a post in by a minute. Sure you can 'discuss stuff'. But discussion should take pretty long. Disclosing info on the other hand is a pretty spurr of the moment decision. | ||
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He barely posted anything, all he has is a Post about Pandain and a post about SR (Pandian) + Show Spoiler + On August 26 2010 09:28 Subversion wrote: shame, pandain always has suspicion thrown on him. last game i played with him he was also suspected quite a lot, but he was in fact town. not that he's above suspicion, just take ur feelings towards him with a pinch of salt. (SR) + Show Spoiler + On August 27 2010 13:02 Subversion wrote: does he actually REALLY want to be lynched tho? (lol frank pearce joke not intended) or is he just saying "ahhh wow i suck i failed might as well lynch me" while knowing we probably won't do that at all. i dont know, for me personally his post didnt actually make me consider lynching him. Conclusion, we cannot figure out anything, Subversion acted like a Mafia lurking. Still, a scum dead is always a good thing! | ||
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On August 29 2010 03:53 Radfield wrote: I love PYP Mafia, it's just so much fun Citizen, I'm interested to hear your thoughts. Anyone seem particularly pro- or anti- town. If you had to make a list of people to be investigated, who would be on it? Also, can someone please comment on the case I made for Zeks being traitor. I want Zeks to claim first, this could shed a lot of light. Reasons why Zeks could have survived the night: 1) He is the SK 2) He is Bulletproof 3) He is the Traitor 4) Doctor protected him (highly unlikely) Zeks probably will claim Bulletproof. Once he claims bulletproof, we can watch to see if someone else claims bulletproof, or if someone claims they drafted bulletproof and didn't get it. | ||
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Vet has +1 life, but Bulletproof is invincible! (somewhat at least). But that does complicate what Zeks will have to claim, increasing his chances of messing up if he is SK/Traitor. | ||
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On August 29 2010 04:41 zeks wrote: Radfield: I went with the 33/33/33 role cop / copy cat / defensive role because there was mention that copycat should be picked earlier. I truthfully randomed my role. Something that I've discovered SR #6 below me is assumed vanilla town, Subversion at #7 was vanilla mafia Which means Subversion could've overlaped with 1. rastaban CV 2. chaoser Bad Santa/traitor 3. LSB PoD/traitor 5. me RC/CC/Defensive role/traitor Likelihood of Subversion picking CV next to nothing Bad Santa or PoD Don't see why Subversion will pick those either. Traitor: He's scum so he wouldn't pick traitor. me: RC/CC/Defensive Role Subversion likely overlapped with me and since Subversion is dead then it is likely that scum would know what my role is... Unless Subversion overlapped with SouthRawrea, then that means South never picked traitor in the beginning - which doesn't make sense because South would be a townie with a role but lied about being a traitor Thus conclusion: mafia knows my role and wants me dead by lynch since they couldn't finish the job last night Which is why I'm not claiming because they will call me out on it. Okay, so the Mafia already knows your role. Why aren't you telling us? Are you worried the Mafia is going to fake claim? If that happens, we can easily kill the Mafia. Are you hiding something? | ||
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Subversion Picked Rolecop. I am 100% certain, he is mafia, Rolecop is THE town role here. We should have already figured that out This is confirmed because Zeks claims that he has a role that the mafia wants dead. But was blocked, so mafia knows that Zeks is Rolecop Mafia tries to kill Zeks But! Zeks is actually Serial Killer. So it doesn't work!! Zeks CANNOT claim, because we know that a doctor couldn't have protected him. ##VOTE: Zeks Because he is Serial Killer. Note, SK will not work for us, he is decidedly anti town | ||
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On August 29 2010 04:51 Radfield wrote: Please roleclaim ASAP. Subversion came in late and claimed he did not read the plan. This could be BS, but either way there is a decent chance he chose PoD or BadSanta. Please roleclaim Zeks is Rolecop. Think, subversion must have picked rolecop, but is vanilla | ||
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On August 29 2010 04:55 bumatlarge wrote: Why would mafia hit zeks if they knew his role? I guess I kinda confirmed hes a defense role, since he survived after 4 people visited, and now that seems unlikely its anything but a red visit. Exactly! Mafia would only hit zeks if they knew he was the rolecop! But then why did he survive? Because he's the serial killer | ||
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On August 29 2010 04:59 Pandain wrote: But he's the rolecop. Therefore, Zeks claim serial killer rolecop or we lynch you. As you very well know if town loses, you do as well. Help us find the scum. Or you can continue to be ambiguious, and maybe we'll believe you. But I doubt that's going to happen. Don't lynch zeks, even if he's serial killer, he's still rolecop. Either way, he's going to try to kill the town at the end. This will not work. He'll probably just take out major town roles. Secondly, he adds night KP. That is a BAD thing. We want as much Lynches as possible. This is the best thing that happened to the town. | ||
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On August 29 2010 05:03 Radfield wrote: Also, I think it more likely that zeks is the traitor then the SK. Either way we kill him. But for the sake of discussion. Remember #7 Draft pick, Subversion. Subversion is Mafia, the mafia would probably PM him, telling him to take Rolecop. Their not going to let some random dude go "LOL! I don't care about this game". So that means the Rolecop is above Subversion That leaves 2,3,5,6 to be Rolecop. But remember, the plan was, if Zeks was blocked from taking Rolecop, he would immediately claim. But he did not claim! That leaves either Zeks, or SouthRawer as Rolecop. And if SR is rolecop, I'll eat my shoe. | ||
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On August 29 2010 05:10 Radfield wrote: If that was the plan, why wouldn't subversion just take Bullet Bill? 99% chance he would get that role, 50% chance he would get role cop. I feel like the Mafia really wanted to take out the Role Cop. If Subversion takes the role cop, the mafia narrow down the rolecop position to 5,6,7. The rolecop seems a lot more threatening than the Bullet Bill | ||
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On August 29 2010 05:11 zeks wrote: Or Subversion also picked a defensive role and overlapped with me. Then claim | ||
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On August 29 2010 05:39 zeks wrote: Fine. I'm role cop. I checked Fishball - I don't want to reveal what he is as now we're practically in a mass roleclaim mode and it would not benefit the town to know what he is: however I will tell you that he did not follow the town's plan either. I have no idea how bumatlarge got only 4 people from his watch, because I'm not the SK and I lived - to my surprise so someone must've protected me. I know I'm going to die today as now I fit the perfect profiling of an SK - but please evaluate why LSB was so sure I was role cop - not to mention now only 2 suspects are remaining for the traitor and he is one of them. Radfields push for my lynch and wanting to know who I rolecheck I also find a little bit suspicious. I apologize for my poor play and allowing scum to corner me this easily. If I go down today I blame no one but myself. "How do you react when you're cornered? Talk your way out, prepare for battle or insist you're just fine and dandy?" - Mike Baldwin | ||
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On August 29 2010 05:55 Radfield wrote: Maybe I'm seeing things through rose-colored glasses here. Can anyone lay out an argument how zeks is not an anti-town player? If there are only 3 mafia, Zeks could be Townie. The 3 mafia would hit zeks, while the 4th person is a doctor and protected him. This is very important: Doctors, if you protected Zeks last night, can you claim? This would be good news on 2 levels. 1) If there are only 3 mafia, that means a big advantage for us. 2) We get to make sure our DT is still alive | ||
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On August 29 2010 05:58 Pandain wrote: theres only one thing I don't get: explain this quote Defend it well enough and I may have something that can save you :p XD Hmm... I wonder who's the Pardoner... | ||
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On August 29 2010 06:15 ~OpZ~ wrote: Zeks, you're in a bad position. There is one way to prove you're role cop and tell us Fishball's role...That would be the only way I see you living. Which even then...It's kind of slim. As I've said, Role Cop isn't exactly the most powerful role in the world, in my mind. Anyway, I see some problems with everything, and you can't be town aligned. We know he's rolecop, I was the one to prove it. The problem is if he is town aligned. Zeks, if you are town aligned, please do not disclose Fishball's Role. Fishball could be thinking of a strategy, and it is always bad for Mafia to know more blue roles than necessary. | ||
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On August 29 2010 06:32 SouthRawrea wrote: TL;DR Subversion picked without thinking, probably didn't pick rolecop. Doesn't clear Zeks. On August 29 2010 05:08 LSB wrote: Subversion is Mafia, the mafia would probably PM him, telling him to take Rolecop. Their not going to let some random dude go "LOL! I don't care about this game". So that means the Rolecop is above Subversion | ||
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On August 29 2010 06:33 ~OpZ~ wrote: How did you prove it? You picked before him. This hinges on Subversion of picking RoleCop, not PoD/BadSanta/CompVig...If one of those roles picked traitor, then he he could of picked any of those, albeit be wrong. On August 29 2010 04:52 LSB wrote: Here's what I think. It seems so Obvious, I'm facepalming myself for not noticing it. Subversion Picked Rolecop. I am 100% certain, he is mafia, Rolecop is THE town role here. We should have already figured that out This is confirmed because Zeks claims that he has a role that the mafia wants dead. But was blocked, so mafia knows that Zeks is Rolecop Mafia tries to kill Zeks But! Zeks is actually Serial Killer. So it doesn't work!! Zeks CANNOT claim, because we know that a doctor couldn't have protected him. ##VOTE: Zeks Because he is Serial Killer. Note, SK will not work for us, he is decidedly anti town | ||
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On August 29 2010 06:46 SouthRawrea wrote: LSB he had 20 minutes to pick. Read the entire post. He said he picked without a plan. Oh of course that explains everything! </sarcasm> Dude, he's mafia. Mafia lies | ||
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On August 29 2010 06:53 SouthRawrea wrote: Dude even if he had all the time since he joined he had 2 hours. He was a last minute replacement. He didn't even think he would be able to join until Ace gave him the thumbs up right before day 1. To give you perspective on how much can happen in 2 hours. 2 hours ago, I figured out that Zeks was Rolecop SK | ||
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On August 29 2010 07:26 Pandain wrote: Secret messages? n.n + Show Spoiler + Its obviously a coincidence, a loose one if that too. Just found it partly funny. Hmm... it seems now it won't show it in correct order. Look at first word of each line :p original post Also south, aren't you also assuming that there's 4 mafia? There could be 3(although unlikely, its a possibility) Pandain you can't give away the code for the secret friendship alliance =O! Is Halarious! XD. Now I wish I was traitor so I could say I thought of that myself Mafia would defiantly know that I'm speaking in code! | ||
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On August 29 2010 07:50 Pandain wrote: You know, its stuff like this that really makes me dislike you. I mean, when the town's thinking you just will start spouting your own thing. LIke here the town had already decided that we were going to let SR die, and then convienantly you just happen to "prove" he's SK. *sigh* I guess I'll have to think about it tonight. + Show Spoiler + I proved that Zeks is SK SR and Zeks are 2 completely different people FYI On August 29 2010 07:51 Pandain wrote: Aw wrong order. Preview function ftl. That wasn't serious That could explain stuff | ||
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This is the most important post On August 29 2010 04:52 LSB wrote: Here's what I think. It seems so Obvious, I'm facepalming myself for not noticing it. Subversion Picked Rolecop. I am 100% certain, he is mafia, Rolecop is THE town role here. We should have already figured that out This is confirmed because Zeks claims that he has a role that the mafia wants dead. But was blocked, so mafia knows that Zeks is Rolecop Mafia tries to kill Zeks But! Zeks is actually Serial Killer. So it doesn't work!! Zeks CANNOT claim, because we know that a doctor couldn't have protected him. ##VOTE: Zeks Because he is Serial Killer. Note, SK will not work for us, he is decidedly anti town Feel free to ask questions. | ||
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On August 29 2010 07:29 SouthRawrea wrote: #Vote Zeks Hopefully we finally hit the traitor so my name gets cleared. SK is good too but I want vengeance for my lost role and Hesmyrr's death D:. (My fault I know D BTW SR, you need an extra "#" | ||
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On August 29 2010 12:15 zeks wrote: Getting as much of my analysis and information out there before I die (scum has built a wonderful case on me as being SK and getting the attention diverted away from scum hunt): That sounds like a SK claim to me. First Radfield told people not to state their role. I randomed rolecop so I didn't go against the plan at all with the whole exception thing. So I didn't roleclaim because I think its agreed that roleclaiming is a bad idea, but Radfield (and LSB) are pushing for my claim. Not to mention he also suggests keeping the SK around to kill off mafia and soak up hits. And now for some reason he wants me (supposedly the SK) dead - probably cause the SK is a legit threat to scum now since he nailed Subversion successfully day 1 (gj to whoever the SK is btw) I think he also suggested not to roleclaim yet now he's so interested in what my investigative results were for day 1. Kinda fishy imo. I am going to take the day 1 role check info to the grave - to avoid more people's roles revealed. Night kill should go to LSB I think its established that only LSB or chaoser can be the traitor LSB pointed me out so quickly so its pretty obvious that he knew what I was. In fact its extremely likely that my role was figured out after the Hesmyrr/SR traitor fiasco, since by process of elimination Subversion could only have picked what I had picked. I wouldn't be surprised if LSB is already recruited. Why? If I were suspected as the traitor mafia would send someone to use an action on me to recruit me. Why instead did they use a kill? Because they KNEW I wasn't a traitor after the Hesmyrr lynch and I was actually a role cop from Subversion being vanilla. - Just figured this out. Thus they must've used their actions on LSB to recruit him - and now that the focus has been to nab the SK he has fallen under the radar. In fact he should the #1 suspect of being scum. So scum knew I was rolecop and could not have possibly been the traitor, and since I lived through the night he and scum all knew I either got protected or was the SK. But they didn't know what happened which is why in the posts a couple pages back LSB kept raising the fact that medics couldn't have protected me to paint me as the SK (but in fact I DID get protected as it has been raised in many people's plans to get medics to protect me). Conclusions/summary: 1. After Hesmyrr lynch, scum knew I was role cop (and cannot possibly be traitor). 2. Thus the traitor is either 2 or 3, and by my posting analysis it is likely to be 3. LSB so mafia likely sent in actions to recruit him 3. Mafia failed to kill me, so I can only be SK or protected. Okay I've been asked twice why I wanted zeks to roleclaim, and now I'll explain First of all, after Bum posted his watch, the mafia already knows zeks role. This is because the mafia knows that they have 4 people. (later I make the connection that the mafia already knew his role from subversion going vanilla) On the other hand, the town does not. If you claimed a defensive role, that wouldn't be a problem. Mafia isn't dumb enough to go after someone who is bulletproof (unless they control the roleblocker). And if you were a vet, it wouldn't matter anyways, cause you'd be green On the other hand, if you claimed rolecop, we'd know you were the SK Face it, you made a mistake when you said you were hit 4a. The SK currently is considered more of a threat to scum (from the amazing Subversion snipe) so since they think I'm the SK getting rid of me would reduce what they consider a threat. b. If I'm not SK then they'd still get rid of a role cop - a strong pro town role in its own right. I wanted to hold out of claiming in the beginning to bait these people out, and when I die today I think I've accomplished more than enough even though I'm the role cop. That sounds like a SK claim. | ||
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On August 29 2010 12:35 rastaban wrote: ##Vote Zeks Nice catch on him being serial killer. The earlier he dies the more time we have to catch mafia. Also, I haven't seen any votes yet for who I should hit tonight so Let me know what you all think. Personally I think I should shoot SR, but only if Zeks doesn't flip traitor. SR is the best bet, stick to the traitor removal plan. It is really tricky to lynch him during the day (cause he could be vengeful player) If SR is actually vanilla town, we'll kill choaser tomorrow, and we get the traitor. But what if zeks flips town? (I'll make a larger post if he is) The only leak I can see is Bum. But we did make the assumption that their are 4 mafia. | ||
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On August 29 2010 21:26 Radfield wrote: Importantly, we still have a traitor around. Either Chaoser, LSB, or Southrawrea. I felt pretty certain that zeks was the traitor, but obviously that was not so. My next choice would be LSB. Why? Mainly because LSB was so sure that zeks was the SK. He stated several times that he 'proved' zeks was the Serial Killer, when in fact he had done no such thing. I thought it far more likely that zeks was the traitor, and had been targeted by the mafia. But LSB never wavered from the idea that zeks was the SK, and really never even gave much of a chance for zeks to be the traitor. Perhaps LSB was just getting caught up in his own argument, or perhaps LSB is the traitor, and did actually KNOW that zeks had to be the SK. Add in that LSB is bragging up a storm about how he 'caught' zeks, makes me think that he is doing what he can to come off pro-town and use whatever credit he gets from the zeks lynch to avoid getting killed in the traitor hunt. Combine that with the fact that if town, LSB has a completely useless role, PoD. So we need not fear losing a blue role. Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor? My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer. I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered. I have no idea what you are trying to do radfield. You want to kill me because out of SR/Chaoser/Me I'm the only one who is actually isn't lurking/bandwagoning/disrupting the town? Lastly if I was traitor, I'd be ashamed of myself. What kind of traitor immediately draws attention to himself? That being said, chaoser could be the traitor, or Southrawrea could be fucking with us. Honestly, neither of these two players have posted a ton of useful content, so CVing either would be OK with me. Keep in mind two things though, if town, Chaoser actually has an extremely powerful role now. Imagine his list of 5. If one dies tonight, and he doesn't get the option to kill, then the other 4 players on the list are confirmed innocents. That is amazingly powerful, and worth keeping around in my opinion(at least for now). Second, Southrawrea being mafia and trying to fuck us around makes very little sense, but as people pointed out earlier, he could be vengeful player. If we are going to kill him, we'll want to do it with the CV, or the JOAT(or Bad Santa) My proposal for tonight: Compvig LSB Bullet Bill(Fishball) check Southrawrea Tracker follow Fishball Medic protect Fishball This is a horrible idea. BB checking SR will not do anything. The problem with this strategy is that you are assuming that the mafia has already converted the traitor. Infact, the mafia would NOT want to want to convert the traitor, as the traitor essentially is a godfather. Is SR is the traitor? SR has been giving off scummy vibes and has not done much besides jump on bandwagons. If we check him, he'll show up as town, and we proceed to kill me and Choaser. More Townies dead. SR does his job beautifully What if SR is Red? That means there is no traitor at all. We're screwed once again. Who should the Bullet Bill check then? He should check me. As the Prince of darkness I will not have a weapon. Confirming my role This will answer your question of whether or not I'm mafia. As for your accusation of traitor. That should be solved once SR filps traitor/red. If not, we are left with Chaoser Bullet Bill (Fishball) check Me (LSB) Tracker follow Fishball Martyr protect Fishball Compvig Southrawrea Why the Martyr? Because Fishball is the most powerful dt, barring the JOAT. But the Joat can only use his power once | ||
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On August 30 2010 02:30 Radfield wrote: Yes the Joat should look at fishball . Either you are the Joat opz, or the joat talked to you last night, in which case you are a defensive role. Fishball, now you should definitely reveal who you checked. LSB: you raise a good point. Bullet Bill checking SR does not necessarily do anything, as mafia may not have converted him yet. Your solution baffles me though. You say that instead of BBing SR, Fishball should check you. But everything that holds true for SR also holds true for you. If you are the traitor then you are not necessarily a mafia yet, same as SR. Chaoser hasn't talked in a long time though. I'd like to hear his thoughts. I am not traitor first of all. I am aware that people think I am a converted traitor (ie mafia) because I exposed Zeks as the SK. They think that my finding of zeks was because I was fed the information after I was converted. Once Fishball investigates me, I will be proven that I am not mafia. So if you think I'm a converted traitor, this is an easy way to "catch me". As for Chaoser... he's been lurking for a while... he's made his obligatory 1 post every 24 hours. If SR flips townie, I'm going after him for being traitor. Yes I am aware that the BulletBill does not clear me of traitor suspicions. But that should be solved once SR filps traitor/red. If not, once Chaoser's dead, I'll be cleared | ||
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On August 30 2010 02:55 Radfield wrote: First: we had no idea what subversion drafted, he could have gone for CompVig for all we knew. Second: Even if zeks did claim role cop, it could have still been bs, since of course he has to claim either role cop or a defensive role. But yes, it was foolish for him to claim role cop, that was his real mistake. Third: Zeks acting cornered doesn't make him more likely to be either SK or traitor. He was in the spotlight the moment I asked for his roleclaim, and he messed it up from there. At no point was the possibility of zeks being traitor zero. In fact, up until his admission of SK, I still thought he might be traitor. 1. You know that sounds dumb. I had this conversation with SR and Pandian before. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=48#951 2. You know that is dumb too. Why in the would would zeks fake claim role cop? We already told him. If you claim role cop, we're going to kill you. The only reason why he claimed role cop was because he knew he had no other claim. 3. If he had a legitimate reason, he wouldn't have messed up. Okay, so your basic premise is that I am a converted traitor right? (because there was no way I could know this) BulletBill investigating me should take care of that. | ||
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On August 30 2010 03:15 Pandain wrote: Yeah, and you didn't ever respond to my post. :/ I'll post it here if you want to explain why you knew/guessed logicaly. I've actually responded to your post in a way, you asked the same questions as SR 1. He lies On August 29 2010 06:47 LSB wrote: Oh of course that explains everything! </sarcasm> Dude, he's mafia. Mafia lies 2. He had 2 hours On August 29 2010 06:59 LSB wrote: To give you perspective on how much can happen in 2 hours. 2 hours ago, I figured out that Zeks was Rolecop SK 3. How hard is it for Mr. Godfather to PM Sub and say "Yo! Scumbuddy! Go pick rolecop!"? Mr. Godfather can defiantly do that in 2 hours. Never doubt the power of human stupidity to ruin the best laid plans. For proof: See my reading fail at a first grade level last game when I was ninja. Never underestimate someone | ||
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#3 is an example. The last quote is Pandians On August 30 2010 03:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: Sry, you missed this post LSB =D Him being Bullet Bill and doing anything doesn't confirm you. We know his role, not his alignment. If he is mafia, and you were traitor you could have A) been converted last night, and he could be mafia, thereby nullifies usefulness B) Be converted by him visiting you tonight C)*Random assortment of you living, and being PoD* PoD is kind of a boring role, so I think traitor is more likely. That's why the JOAT should investigate fishball | ||
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On August 30 2010 06:40 Radfield wrote: LSB, you still have yet to explain why you were so certain that zeks was the SK. + Show Spoiler [LSB's Defense] + On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote: 1. You know that sounds dumb. I had this conversation with SR and Pandian before. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=48#951 2. You know that is dumb too. Why in the would would zeks fake claim role cop? We already told him. If you claim role cop, we're going to kill you. The only reason why he claimed role cop was because he knew he had no other claim. 3. If he had a legitimate reason, he wouldn't have messed up. Okay, so your basic premise is that I am a converted traitor right? (because there was no way I could know this) BulletBill investigating me should take care of that. 1. It's dumb?? That's your defense? How did you KNOW that subversion drafted role cop, and not one of the other three very good mafia roles: CV, PoD, BS. You're acting as if this was a fact, when it was nothing of the sort. I will admit that Sub taking rolecop now seems more likely, but back then it didn't. 2. Zeks claimed rolecop because he didn't realize that it put him in a position of being only scum. Obviously had he realized this, he wouldn't have claimed it and sealed his fate. He just didn't realize. Similarly, if he was the traitor he could have made the same mistake. He had to claim something. He just made the mistake of not claiming the defensive role. Please explain why zeks was NOT the traitor. That is what I don't understand. Also, I think you are the traitor, doesn't matter if you are converted or not. Being traitor means that you could be sure that zeks was not. The only other option was Serial Killer. This is why I suspect you. To put it again: The only way you could KNOW zeks was the SK, was if you were the traitor(hence zeks could not be the traitor and could only be the SK). Because he had a decent chance of being either traitor or SK in my eyes. 1. Why in the would would subversion draft a role that the town reserved above him? He has 0% chance of getting it. o.o Sure, he might have wanted to draft Vengeful Player, or Godfather because those are available. Those are good mafia roles. And more importantly, he has a chance of getting it :O OMG wow! Probability is so hard! 2.We told him that beforehand. On August 29 2010 04:04 LSB wrote: I want Zeks to claim first, this could shed a lot of light. Reasons why Zeks could have survived the night: 1) He is the SK 2) He is Bulletproof 3) He is the Traitor 4) Doctor protected him (highly unlikely) Zeks probably will claim Bulletproof. Once he claims bulletproof, we can watch to see if someone else claims bulletproof, or if someone claims they drafted bulletproof and didn't get it. 3. If your the Rolecop, you can't be the traitor. :O Omg! Never thought of that! | ||
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Okay a little roleclaim list. If the formatting is off, that's cause it didn't copy nicely from my excell. + Show Spoiler + Name Claim/Role rastaban: CV chaoser: Bad Santa LSB: PoD Hesmyrr: Vanilla Town zeks: Rolecop SouthRawrea Vanilla Subversion: Vanilla Mafia Fishball: Watcher ~Opz~: Tracker citi.zen: Tracker BrownBear: JeeJee: DarthThienAn: siNiquity: Divinek: Radfield: Vanilla Bill Murray: Mason bumatlarge: Watcher Pandain: Martyr With Radfield flipping Vanilla, it does suggest that the tracker role is taken. Ofc, two fake claims would be hilarious. On August 31 2010 11:24 bumatlarge wrote: 1 person visited LSB, so either citizen is lying or red put another visit onto LSB to throw me off. I didn't get any PMs. So either, Rasta hit SR, and SR is traitor. Now mafia. Rasta hits me. Gets roleblocked, some random role targets/protects me. Rasta: Who did you kill? | ||
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Opz: Needs to answer citi.zen's accusation Honestly, I don't think he will do this well. Fishball: If fishball was town would he want to kill of opz? On August 31 2010 11:27 Fishball wrote: If everyone decides to follow your lynch, I will cast my vote for Opz as well. But I want everyone, including you, to remember one thing. I said he has no gun, and that is a true as it gets. At the same time though, it would suck if we lost our Bullet Bill JeeJee: He's probably doc, maybe he could say something about what happened night 2. Also he can back up citi.zens claim. JeeJee: Please confirm or deny citi.zens claim. You do not need to roleclaim Rasta: I really want to know why I'm alive. | ||
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On August 31 2010 11:35 bumatlarge wrote: AHEM I MEAN Bumatlarge was high as a kite that evening. Town actually appreciated his batman antics and gave him some pot, which is legal in liquidia ofc. Batman mask set, he roamed the night. HOLY SHIT A CAT. Oh look LSD's house. Bum sneaks in the back alley, tries to climb over a fence, but it swings open at the climax of his climb. Gravity being the bitch that it is, sent bum on a 3 foot skydive into a trashcan! HOLY SHIT A RACCOON. OW. Bum thanks his lucky stars he developed a rabies immunity when he got bit by that raccoon a second ago. Before Bum could question his reasoning, he runs into some dude smokin a cig at the backdoor. "Sup homes" Bum said in his gravelly voice "Uh hello" "You the tracker?" Bum said in his cementy voice "Sure.. are you high?" "YOU BET" Bum said in a stoned voice bum quickly started talking about his encounters with untame beasts and popular topics often discussed by the stalkers of the night, and the other guy smoked a whole pack. before bum knew it, the sun was coming out! "Aight later did what I needed too" and then he left. "Oh wait- oh fudgepops" Bum pebbled. Wrong house Bum. Lucky I was there too, trying to enjoy my last night properly! That could explain some of your posts though! | ||
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Rasta! Kill me now! And this time don't mess it up Okay, real post. Assuming everyone is perfectly rational 1. Chaoser is traitor. Ace's explination for all the tracking still confuses me (what happens if a tracker tracks a vanilla mafia?). But chaoser could be unconverted traitor and lie 2. Opz is Joat, and fishball lied. Main problem, if Opz knew fishball was mafia, opz would have shot him 3. Someone knows something and is trying to draw out more information by killing someone. | ||
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On August 31 2010 12:39 chaoser wrote: yeah, i'm not traitor lol. I said you can lynch me to confirm my list but at this point SR really should be dead. The fact that the CV was blocked from hitting him looks like mafia was trying to save him via roleblocker (this also replies your other post) I don't really think you are traitor, however, this is actually good for the mafia as it meddles up who is wrong and who is right, causing confusion for the town The best way to figure this out is to confirm Chaoser. Not by lynching him, that would be bad, but lynching SR. SR flips traitor, chaoser is confirmed, and then we have a nice tight town circle of 5 people, maybe more | ||
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On September 01 2010 03:19 bumatlarge wrote: Apparently rasta visited LSB. He couldn't have, or else I'd be dead o.o Anyways, he was roleblocked. Im thinking mafia sent a random role to visit me since they guessed that bum would be watching me. | ||
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On August 31 2010 12:55 LSB wrote: (this also replies your other post) I don't really think you are traitor, however, this is actually good for the mafia as it meddles up who is wrong and who is right, causing confusion for the town The best way to figure this out is to confirm Chaoser. Not by lynching him, that would be bad, but lynching SR. SR flips traitor, chaoser is confirmed, and then we have a nice tight town circle of 5 people, maybe more Okay, now that everyone has reported back, I've made my decision. Opz has an excellent reason for claiming tracker. He was trying to bait the mafia but it didn't work. Please take your vote off of Opz. We will need to confirm Chaoser anyways, so it would be reduntent to try to vertify Opz story now Rasta got a pm for being roleblocked. Even though he targeted me, the mafia thought he was going to target SR. By roleblocking Rasta, SR lives. Bum saw that someone visisted me last night. Since it was not rasta, this means that mafia has a visiting role This is because the mafia is the only logical group that would visit me. Unless of course someone could claim So of the 3 mafia, there is at least a visiting role and a roleblocker. Chaoser is trustworthy. Confirming him would be very very good. Of course, we shouldn't just kill him, but once we find the traitor, Chaoser is in the clear. Where's the traitor then? Well, lets go back to day one. Somehow Southrawrea slipped under our radar, and I don't want to see it again. More importantly, notice how SR's contributions dramtically decline after the first day, at the same time, he was not under heavy suspicion. ##VOTE: Southrawrea | ||
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So, I thought SR was traitor. I guess I was wrong. That leaves Chaoser. I know he is traitor. Even though he is traitor, by killing him we at least can confirm me. I'm predicting that the Mafia would probably attack me tonight because after Chaoser flips traitor, they want to get rid of the only confirmed townie. Compvig: Chaoser | ||
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On September 02 2010 00:04 citi.zen wrote: We should not forget this: Bum claims he saw a visitor go to LSB. LSB gives a bizarre answer: "Wrong house Bum. Lucky I was there too". Then he tries to make a little joke re: being high (nervous much?). He never brings up the night visit again! I know if I were a townie I would be a lot more curious: why would anyone visit me on the night I was supposed to be CV-ed, while the CV is getting role-blocked? If it happened to me I'd be thinking "I was framed - Chaoser must be the traitor! The mafia must have two traveling roles! This is who I think you need to look at after my death..." LSB did none of that. In fact, LSB claims on the very next page that he does not think Chaoser is the traitor: Sigh, I guess I have to requote most of my posts for citizen. AGAIN On September 01 2010 03:25 LSB wrote: He couldn't have, or else I'd be dead o.o Anyways, he was roleblocked. Im thinking mafia sent a random role to visit me since they guessed that bum would be watching me. On September 01 2010 03:40 LSB wrote: Okay, now that everyone has reported back, I've made my decision. Opz has an excellent reason for claiming tracker. He was trying to bait the mafia but it didn't work. Please take your vote off of Opz. We will need to confirm Chaoser anyways, so it would be reduntent to try to vertify Opz story now Rasta got a pm for being roleblocked. Even though he targeted me, the mafia thought he was going to target SR. By roleblocking Rasta, SR lives. Bum saw that someone visisted me last night. Since it was not rasta, this means that mafia has a visiting role This is because the mafia is the only logical group that would visit me. Unless of course someone could claim So of the 3 mafia, there is at least a visiting role and a roleblocker. Chaoser is trustworthy. Confirming him would be very very good. Of course, we shouldn't just kill him, but once we find the traitor, Chaoser is in the clear. Where's the traitor then? Well, lets go back to day one. Somehow Southrawrea slipped under our radar, and I don't want to see it again. More importantly, notice how SR's contributions dramtically decline after the first day, at the same time, he was not under heavy suspicion. ##VOTE: Southrawrea I did much analysis on what it means that the Mafia sent a role after me. We know a visiting night role is a Mafia member. I did everything I can, except for asking the mafia to claim. But that's increadibly dumb, mafia would never fall for that trick http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=64#1279who would do that? Think about that: we've already established one of them has to be the traitor, but LSB tells us he does not think it's Chaoser! I think LSB is our traitor, just recruited last night. What I said was that between Chaoser and SR, I was leaning on SR being the traitor. Now I am certain that Chaoser is the traitor. Let's look at what Chaoser thinks On September 01 2010 15:21 chaoser wrote: Hmm interesting...so me rasta or LSB is a traitor... | ||
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On September 02 2010 10:19 chaoser wrote: A question for LSB then, you were suppose to be vigied last night. But CV got blocked. Why would mafia do that if you were townie? It'd be better if you got CVed and then all the suspicion of traitor falls on me. Mafia probably wanted you guys to waste a daylynch on me, rather than a night action. Also, by sending someone to me, and roleblocking Rastaban, they probably wanted to set up Rasta so he looks like he's a mafia visiting me. If they CV'd me, you'd be exposed a day earlier. o.o | ||
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I'm very insecure and I didn't want you guys to think I was not able to read the list correctly. To my suprise, I actually recieved the role! First Night I decided to try to kill Rasta (Since he claimed), it didn't work since he was medic protected. This night I decided to try to kill Rasta again... but my, that little guy, he was medic protected again o.o ##VOTE: Rastaban Cause he's the traitor | ||
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On September 02 2010 10:49 Pandain wrote: LOL I <3 you Too bad hesmyrr picked CV. Mega faillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll Hesmyrr flipped Vanillia, see? I am the CV! I am confirmed! I am bad with english, you show of affection, that mean you agree with me? Many thanks be unto you! | ||
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On September 02 2010 10:53 citi.zen wrote: I survived a hit last night. Also, I tracked lsb to myself. ##vote LSB I uhh, had some ice cream for you Citi.zen But a big meanie doctor scared me off Can you meet me at my house tonight? | ||
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On September 02 2010 10:56 rastaban wrote: Ahw, look at how the vermin squirm when caught in a trap. I shot Chaoser last night as requested. Look! Rastaban's referring to himself! Rastaban is a vermin. And uhh, I set him up in the trap! | ||
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On September 02 2010 11:07 BrownBear wrote: Ok, just shut up and let us lynch you now How much posts is a dragoon avatar anyways? | ||
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How about you let me live today, and me and Rasta duke it out at night! I'll show you that I'm the CV! | ||
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quick do it too! | ||
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I'll save my suicide post then | ||
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You all call yourselves crusaders for justice, Lynching to benefit ‘the good’. What happened to peace? Law? Order? You are worse than those you pursue. At least they are honest about where their morals lie. LSB draws out his gun, loads a bullet, and fires the first and last shot of his life ##VOTE: LSB | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: LSB | ||
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On September 02 2010 11:25 Hesmyrr wrote: ![[image loading]](http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3805/47142063.png) @Flamewheel, I'm the guy in the middle | ||
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I open my PM box. You are vanilla townie. And I was like ((((. I wanted to be mafia for a game (I was town for the other two games I played)But then, when I reviewed the roles, I saw traitor! I could be a mafia member! And I was pick #4 (at the start, before Ace revised his roles). Citi.zen, you almost caught me, I talked myself out of that one. After my pick was switched to #3, I realized that there was a 33% chance of Hesmyrr finding out that I didn’t pick PoD. What I needed to do was have a good alibi. I pretended to be inactive, so I could claim that I picked godfather, as so to deny the mafia 2 roles. Although it would fail after the first role check, it would buy some time I guess. After SR claimed, I figured that it was time to kill everyone around me and be the last man standing. (Well, later on I figured I couldn’t kill Rasta XD) I was hoping the mafia wouldn’t mess with the top and try to let me deal with it myself, but yeah, after Rasta shot me, things got sticky real fast I’m proud of the zeks kill! Mafia couldn’t kill zeks, so pushed the town to kill him! | ||
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On September 07 2010 05:10 Ace wrote: Short word on Alignment Cop: It's still a good role. Even if you aren't sure about your sanity you just need to get off 2 investigations and live to Day 3. You reveal your checks and if you die your sanity will be flipped. Even if the 2 investigations turn out the same alignment it's better than not revealing anything. You have changed my view on this game :O *worships Ace* That makes EVERYTHING so much simpler. | ||
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On September 07 2010 09:46 SouthRawrea wrote: Weee that was fun. Thanks for the entertainment! Seriously, it was fun trying to convince everyone that I wasn't the perfect traitor | ||
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I was assuming that zeks would be considerably anti mafia (especially since he killed a mafia already, and he would be a SK rolecop and rolecop = bad) | ||
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