EPTAs for hesmyrr being traitor ill wait for his posts before making a decision
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
As for hesmyrr being traitor ill wait for his posts before making a decision | ||
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citi.zen
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
On August 26 2010 01:46 zeks wrote: Picking traitor was already an extremely anti town move on sr's part. But since he didn't get it we can assume he's town. However I think his intentions were not pro town from the start by attempting to pick traitor; its just the cirumstances right now that make him pro town. As for hesmyrr being traitor ill wait for his posts before making a decision I picked it on a whim. I wanted to make the game a bit more epic. I was actually gonna pick CV when I saw the draft order with me on top but the changes had me thinking a bit more. Also the bolded part is the reason why I'm screwed if Ace made a mistake that he wants to change to the roles given out or the draft order again. It's probably not going to happen though. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On August 26 2010 01:45 SouthRawrea wrote: Actually if you look closely at his post: This could be a soft claim from him to the mafia as traitor. None of the actual townies would find this suspicious at all as we were trying to take roles away from the mafia anyways but the mafia would look at that and think, maybe he's softclaiming to us? They'd quite easily put any of their power roles on him to try and convert him if it's true. (They'd not bother using a KP on him obviously). True...Hes could of been trying to get hit hoping they'd try and get the role by copy cat, and get converted....Actually that is a good point...Lynch Hesmyrr sounds like a good idea... Will wait for others to elaborate before voting... | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
Still want divine dead >=D | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
However, if a night goes by where not enough people die, and no one claims they took a hit, then we need to start lynching and CVing those top 4. Zeks at pick 5 is a different problem. He is likely a pro-town role, so the mafia will shoot there first if they want to find the traitor. We want to keep him alive though. So night one we check him with the rolecop, and protect him with one of our doctors, and then he's in the clear. So, I think we should just leave the traitor alone for now, and let the mafia start shooting at those roles at the top. Shooting the mason day 1 actually really helps us, as we can completely cut the top 4 people off(no Copy Cat). I have some suggestions on how we should be using various powers, and on who to lynch, but I'll post that later on tonight. Just wanted to weigh in now on the traitor. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
However, having a traitor in those top 4 picks is actually really great, because if the mafia want to try and pick up the traitor, they have to start shooting at the roles we already want dead: CV, Bad Santa, PoD, maybe Roleblocker. Great, let them do our work for us. We really don't need to worry about the traitor at all for now. Not quite true, the mafia don't need to sacrifice a KP: Traitor - You hold no allegiance to the town. If you are targeted by Scum at night with any action, instead of that action happening you'll be recruited by them instead. You lose if the Mafia lose. However you are part of the town count before recruitment. This role is nullified for the Serial Killer(s) since it may be too broken if they have it. They could use a ... doctor or something. We wouldn't even know it - the mafia count is undisclosed. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
Mafia may spam all their actions tonight to try and pick up the traitor (given that we dont get the traitor first lynch). It's even easier now since the list has been narrowed down to 5, it is likely they'll use their actions to fish the traitor out. Which is why I'm more worried now that we don't get a traitor tonight. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
I would like some more information right now. We can either ignore hesmyrr from this point or not. Anyone got some stances on that? Radfield, you are forgetting the mafia can target the traitor with ANY action and obtain the traitor onto their team. I'm curious if we are informed if the mafia's number grows, since we know how many mafia are in the game already. Ace could you clarify that? | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
SR, why would you pick traitor in the first place? Unless you were playing anti-town on purpose. That's like the only role I can't imagine anyone actually playing for their (current) side, picking. Divinek shot BM? Hmm. On the one hand, I'm glad that BM's gone (haven't really been overly interested with him playing lol). On the other hand, it's an easy move for mafia to make. Sure it attracts attention, but if you're confident you can pass it off as "Guys, it's just BM," then it's win/win for mafia (unless they have copycat or something, in which case Divinek would have shot rastaban). I mean, this is all WIFOM, but still. I also want to hear what Hesmyrr has to say o.o. zeks is implying he didn't pick traitor, and I can't imagine the top 3 picking traitor. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
The ability to kill 1 player per night belongs to you. One of you must PM me a kill for the night even though all of you participate in the kill. Remember you can coordinate your # picks during the draft phase. The Mafia team this round consists of: Jack, Jill, this bottle and my ecstasy pills! You win when you outnumber the town, or there is no way for them to stop you from outnumbering them. see bolded part. Unless that's some meme or some inside joke I'm assuming theres 4 scum? | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On August 26 2010 02:35 ~OpZ~ wrote: I feel like hearing from Chaoser, LSB, Subversion a little more....Too quiet TBH. I would like some more information right now. We can either ignore hesmyrr from this point or not. Anyone got some stances on that? Radfield, you are forgetting the mafia can target the traitor with ANY action and obtain the traitor onto their team. I'm curious if we are informed if the mafia's number grows, since we know how many mafia are in the game already. Ace could you clarify that? No, WE don't: # of Mafia in the Game  | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On August 26 2010 01:45 SouthRawrea wrote: Actually if you look closely at his post: This could be a soft claim from him to the mafia as traitor. None of the actual townies would find this suspicious at all as we were trying to take roles away from the mafia anyways but the mafia would look at that and think, maybe he's softclaiming to us? They'd quite easily put any of their power roles on him to try and convert him if it's true. (They'd not bother using a KP on him obviously). Remember at that junction more than two people were specifically mentioning my name as they stressed the new draft order, that one must alter their role choices accordingly. Therefore I posted for everyone that I did what I needed to do by RNG between the three roles. You immediately follow this statement with assumption about my thinking process that comes out of nowhere, saying "because he would probably believe that his 33% chance of getting a role that's probably already taken is useless"? What benefit does I gain by picking traitor, first, and note that I had consistently agreed about the current town's plan and what I needed to do (#4) was completely necessary for the plan to work. This are the facts: * Someone in #1~3 has taken Compulsive Vigilante. * #4 picked Compulsive Vigilante but it was taken, becomes VT. (in my perspective) * #5 claims to have picked Role Cop/Copycat/Defensive role. * #6 claims to have picked Traitor but it was taken, becomes VT. I see several possibilities here: * A town-aligned player in either #2, 3, or 5 (I don't see much point to mafia picking Traitor) chose to betray the town and picked Traitor. Fortunately if we follow Radfield's plan (medic/rolecop target zeks N1) and no one speaks out tomorrow possibility of #5 will be eliminated since zeks will be confirmed townie. I would actually have Alignment cop investigate zeks also for day 1 for this reason to find out his sanity. * #6 is mafia-aligned or traitor, and is lying. Meh, even to me it seems unlikely. Mislynch d1 for one mafia members is honestly not worth the trade, though if #6 really in fact take traitor role I can see he trying to frame me for 1 vs 1 trade. The thing is I, being #4 spot, am in fact not that good a choice for traitor to emerge yet- to counterclaim town PR role is much better way of utilizing the role, which is why I think above possibility is more likely. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On August 26 2010 02:37 zeks wrote: You are Vanilla Scum! The ability to kill 1 player per night belongs to you. One of you must PM me a kill for the night even though all of you participate in the kill. Remember you can coordinate your # picks during the draft phase. The Mafia team this round consists of: Jack, Jill, this bottle and my ecstasy pills! You win when you outnumber the town, or there is no way for them to stop you from outnumbering them. see bolded part. Unless that's some meme or some inside joke I'm assuming theres 4 scum? Right, I guessed 4 as well, it's just not officially posted so there's nothing for Ace to update. | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
SERIOUSLY? What the fadoodle. Isn't it obvious? SR is lying. He's either serial killer or scum(most likely serial killer, his actions seem to be more acting on his own). All he's doing is spreading doubt on the above. #Vote SouthRawrer main things to keep in mind for now: 1. Why didn't he follow the plan 2. Why the hell did he pick traitor. He says "To make the game more epic." Seriously? Why has no one been hounding on him. He knew of the plan, and knew we were going to run with it(he even was going to pick CV originally). Then what does he do? Disregards it. 3. Why would someone else pick traitor? I mean, seriously. That's the dumbest move imaginable. I'll be compiling a list of his posts. | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Yea...I was going to correct myself, but I had gotten up to get a cup of coffee...Shit moves fast round these parts, eh? On August 26 2010 02:37 zeks wrote: You are Vanilla Scum! The ability to kill 1 player per night belongs to you. One of you must PM me a kill for the night even though all of you participate in the kill. Remember you can coordinate your # picks during the draft phase. The Mafia team this round consists of: Jack, Jill, this bottle and my ecstasy pills! You win when you outnumber the town, or there is no way for them to stop you from outnumbering them. see bolded part. Unless that's some meme or some inside joke I'm assuming theres 4 scum? Game sense says four anyway. | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
On August 26 2010 02:46 Pandain wrote: Um guys seriously? SERIOUSLY? What the fadoodle. Isn't it obvious? SR is lying. He's either serial killer or scum(most likely serial killer, his actions seem to be more acting on his own). All he's doing is spreading doubt on the above. #Vote SouthRawrer main things to keep in mind for now: 1. Why didn't he follow the plan 2. Why the hell did he pick traitor. He says "To make the game more epic." Seriously? Why has no one been hounding on him. He knew of the plan, and knew we were going to run with it(he even was going to pick CV originally). Then what does he do? Disregards it. 3. Why would someone else pick traitor? I mean, seriously. That's the dumbest move imaginable. I'll be compiling a list of his posts. Regardless of my former intentions, this would be a horrible move on my part as if I'm wrong about my 1 in 5 educated guess that I made, I'm going to get lynched. Get a brain. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On August 26 2010 02:35 ~OpZ~ wrote: I feel like hearing from Chaoser, LSB, Subversion a little more....Too quiet TBH. I would like some more information right now. We can either ignore hesmyrr from this point or not. Anyone got some stances on that? Radfield, you are forgetting the mafia can target the traitor with ANY action and obtain the traitor onto their team. I'm curious if we are informed if the mafia's number grows, since we know how many mafia are in the game already. Ace could you clarify that? Nope the players in the game will not be informed. That would be very unfair  | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
Now that we know there is a traitor in the game we know the mafia has 1 more player but there KP doesn't change. Would the town trade a vanilla townie for a mafia on a 1to1 basis? I would say yes definitely. As such if we go with the plan of lynching Hesymer and protecting/checking zeks. If he flips Traitor, we get SR as a confirmed vanilla townie, and we get 1 red (traitor), and we get zeks alignment (possibly 2 confirmed townies day 1 and a red dead) If he flips townie, we then get SR as red (unless the check reveals zeks is traitor then we kill him instead) and we get zeks alignment, and Hesymer being townie also confirms that compvig is in the top 3. We also don't waste a lynch since I can vig him night 2. | ||
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