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On August 05 2010 14:58 DarthThienAn wrote: I'm mafia guys. Just saying. It is ok, I already have a bomb on him. | ||
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I am throwing my wait behind lynching an inactive, unless we see obvious scum. | ||
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On August 06 2010 12:30 Bill Murray wrote: I am actually fishing with the Divinek wagon. Whoever the 3rd person to vote on it is is going to be lynched imo By saying this you just invalidated its premise. I think I am going to vote for him just because  | ||
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The reason for lynching inactives is because it forces activity which is good for the town. Regardless of your alignment if you are not posting and barely contributing you are anti-town. The Traitor role is added to games because having even one town person trying cause problems can balance a game where the mafia is too weak. Every person who creates chaos for sake of chaos or who hides and doesn't post is effectively playing a traitor role. The town feels good if a lynch gets the traitor even though he isn't technically red. For some players even if they flip green town should cheer because at least we got traitor even if in name only. If everyone is active then sure, lets look at posts for day one, but if we have inactives you can be sure I will be voting for them because regardless of how they flip the town is better off. Sorry for the rant, but is something I have been pondering for a while and wanted to share. | ||
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So I came up with a plan... Not even saying it is a good one but it was late last night and I couldn't sleep. So I will throw it out on the stoop and see if the cat licks it up. + Show Spoiler + It involves 1 person role claiming TODAY. we then protect this person and use them as a confirmed townie. Now here is where the plan takes shape. Since mafia can stack our protection will fail and he will die, but wait we actually have something even better. a Bus Driver. The bus driver will now perpetually Bus our claimant. Instead of the bus driver being an element of chaos he becomes the towns best medic. Regardless of if they Triple stack him he won't die. Even in the hands of a beginner this role would be now be powerful as they would be certain to using it for good. Another benefit is that it gives the blue roles the knowledge of if they hit the bus driver. Say for a minute that we use the vigilante. Now we can be sure there is only one in this game since it is such a strong role. If a DT checks someone and he gets vigilante then he knows he hit the other end of the chain and will know to disregard that nights reading. We have just eliminated the early chaos that this role generates. The other thing is that the mafia now knows if they risk hitting vig there is a chance it will fire back on them. Ok now I used vig in this example because he seems the best candidate but I could be wrong so town can advise. If we have the vig claim we know there will be only 1 (since otherwise town KP would be crazy) if we get 2 then we lynch both. This means we trade 1 vigilante for 1 Red with a 50% chance that the real vig stays alive. There are a few outliers that could happen and I am considering them now but thought I would put this plan out as early as possible so in case we go with it all parties would have the most time to see what was going on possible. | ||
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Plan, Please Review It involves 1 person role claiming TODAY. we then protect this person and use them as a confirmed townie. Now here is where the plan takes shape. Since mafia can stack our protection will fail and he will die, but wait we actually have something even better. a Bus Driver. The bus driver will now perpetually Bus our claimant. Instead of the bus driver being an element of chaos he becomes the towns best medic. Regardless of if they Triple stack him he won't die. Even in the hands of a beginner this role would be now be powerful as they would be certain to using it for good. Another benefit is that it gives the blue roles the knowledge of if they hit the bus driver. Say for a minute that we use the vigilante. Now we can be sure there is only one in this game since it is such a strong role. If a DT checks someone and he gets vigilante then he knows he hit the other end of the chain and will know to disregard that nights reading. We have just eliminated the early chaos that this role generates. The other thing is that the mafia now knows if they risk hitting vig there is a chance it will fire back on them. Ok now I used vig in this example because he seems the best candidate but I could be wrong so town can advise. If we have the vig claim we know there will be only 1 (since otherwise town KP would be crazy) if we get 2 then we lynch both. This means we trade 1 vigilante for 1 Red with a 50% chance that the real vig stays alive. There are a few outliers that could happen and I am considering them now but thought I would put this plan out as early as possible so in case we go with it all parties would have the most time to see what was going on possible. | ||
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On August 06 2010 23:00 zeks wrote: Couple things come to mind: 1. Scum is the person that claims 2. Eventually we might be suspicious of the claimer and a DT checks him - perfect opportunity for the framer 3. Who would we bus to take hits? Dont mind new ideas but I suggest we leave plans until after 1 night of actions has taken place What I think of BM: I honestly don't think he's serious about his mass roleclaim plan. Probably just a ploy to seem radical - the more shit he stirs up within town the less likely scum will hit him because it seems like he's playing a stupid townie role (scum loves to keep these people). I think BM is very likely to live for a couple of days, but if things start going downhill he should be somewhere on the top of our hitlists If scum claims great, we traded the vigis possible shot for a deffinate lynch - good for town The benefit of using the vig is that he can prove himself by shooting someone. If that night there are 4 hits and the person we asked to be shot gets hit as well he is 100% confirmed. if there are 3 hits then it doesn't mean he is guilty he is instead still questionable and either we now have a red or we forced the mafia to hold a shot because they want to discredit our confirmed townie. Really the danger I see is that there are 0 or 2 vigis, if this was another role, say doctor then I would be worried about 2 legits, but it isn't it is vig, no way town has 2 of them, especially with so many claimants. I would be more worried that we might not have a vig at all, but I think that is unlikely since the town probably need it to help balance out the many other KP roles currently in this game. Plus it is named wannabe batman!! I personally don't think the host would come up with such lovingly crafted descriptions and names for roles and then decline to have even 1 of them in a 30 person game. There is one and only one vig this game I would give it a 98% probability (hey that is 10% higher than I gave bum being town last game ) | ||
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On August 06 2010 23:06 chaoser wrote: Though I guess the vigi/ninja could kill someone and then claim it. If there's a counterclaim then what? do we kill the first one to claim or the second one to claim? Either way I guess we find a mafia? I think we weigh both and then decide, if we say which gets lynched first mafia will either just wait very late or try to claim immediately. Yeah if it nets mafia a 50% is way better than our current odds. | ||
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On August 06 2010 23:26 chaoser wrote: Cause if vigi comes out now, he could just be roleblocked and then framed. And if it's a mafia then they can say they were roleblocked/framed too so there's no real way we can check him. I like your plan above! but just so we realize, once he does claim it will not be possible to ever frame or investigate him from that point on without working with the busdriver since you will be getting whoever the busdriver targets results. Of course the busdriver will be randomly targeting people to be on the receiving end, hopefully mafia people in case they take the gamble. If the DT and Busdriver do get together the the DT could check the busdrivers target but that would probably be too late in the game. | ||
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On August 06 2010 23:18 love1another wrote: I'm a confirmed townie please. Don't kill me plz LOL, you post this as your only content and then immediate go and vote for me for putting pressure on you to at least be active..... very scummy. I want more than a one line claiming confirmed (You aren't confirmed no one is right now!). Add something, review my plan and post your thoughts, even if you disagree it can still give us insight into you and help improve the plan or scrap it if it is bad. | ||
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On August 06 2010 23:48 KF91 wrote: Just saw this in the voting thread: First a one-liner in the game thread then a reactive vote towards someone because they were voting a reactive. Mafia or not, this is just being useless to the town :/ Hm, this would be the best scenario, but how are we going to guarantee a counter-claim from the mafia? And I just read this: So rastaban, your plan can't be implemented until Night 2 :/ Good catch on the Vigi exception I had forgot about it, I guess I just outed myself as a non-vigi looks like we wait until day 2 to consider this plan. Also you just ninja'd my post about love1, I now am 100% convinced you are a ninja, don't deny it | ||
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On August 07 2010 00:52 Misder wrote: Doesn't this still raise the risk of Vigi hitting a blue role though? I thought that was the reason that Vigi doesn't hit as soon as possible. Well he can't hit tonight so we don't have to worry about it for now. I would prefer they claim while they have their shot, and then we use it to verify them if their are counter claims. If we wait until after they shoot then we can use this plan until day/night 3 If we just have them claim tomorrow then they can shoot the other claimant that night or if it isn't counter claimed we enact the plan. | ||
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If we wait until after they shoot then we can't use this plan until day/night 3 Since we can't do it tonight though, it means we need to start analyzing who to lynch still since we can't luck out with mafia claiming vig today. | ||
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On August 07 2010 01:25 Pandain wrote: Bad idea, mafia will just roleblock the real vigi since they will know. And then that Vigi can claim he killed other vigi. GRR how do I keep forgetting the information in the OP! Great catch, well that rules it out, we can still lynch 1 and then the other the next night though. | ||
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On August 07 2010 01:44 tree.hugger wrote: Summary of the last couple pages. - Chezinu upped his game. Wow. - Pyrr and BM are either geniuses, or they both fell on their swords spectacularly. - ratasban has a plan. Re: The mass roleclaim. I think ninjas would make the plan difficult, they'd provide cover in the greens for mafia to hide amongst. Last time we mass roleclaimed, I got killed immediately because Meeple saved the mafia claimant for a less-important role. Re: Rastaban's plan. I think that actually makes a lot of sense, but it isn't as solid as you suggest. First, if the Bus Driver is on the vigi, we're leaving it up to the BD's discretion who to hit instead. Which means that they could just as easily hit the DT as they could hit the mafia. In fact, since blues outnumber mafia this game, then that could be more likely, and more disastrous for the town. Secondly, the mafia could simply ignore the vigi, and go kill other people. Where does that leave the town? The vigi is not a role that we can really do much with if confirmed. Whereas if we were somehow protecting the DT, then they could pass info on to us, protecting the vigi doesn't do much but set up a really obvious trap that has an equal chance of blowing up in our faces, not to mention the mafia would likely avoid it to begin with. The mafia pretty much has to ignore him though, because there normal hits 100% guaranteed not to hit them, but if they target the vig then while it is likely they hit town they also have a 1/5 chance of hitting them selves (actually slightly higher since they definitely wont get the busdriver or the vig.) So every shot lobbed at the vig is actual great for town. The mafia will most likely ignore it and try to snip the other blue especially the busdriver. If the vigi is confirmed (we need to be 100% sure though) then other investigative blue roles can claim to him and he can share their results. so eventually it will work much like if the DT had claimed. | ||
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