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On August 10 2010 06:56 Bill Murray wrote:
the fact people are trying to lynch me without any case, or information, and the fact i'm NOT mafia, makes me think it's a scum-driven wagon that has looked opportunistic to lurkers
we, as a town, need to pick a target to keep me alive so i can continue to help the town
pyrrhuloxia is a great target in my opinion, because he has been very anti-town and trying to spread chaos
Oh yeah, no case whatsoever.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2010 09:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Alright, so instead of a big pre-dawn post I'll try to make this quick. [EDIT: Still turned out long even though I left out a bunch of quotes]
Bill Murray and Foolishness are the two obvious reds to me. They were best buddies, I pointed out Foolishness chainsaw defending BM twice, and all of a sudden they are bluffing against each other. Simple enough. If BM flips red and you don't take out Foolishness, fuck you town, you deserve the loss and more.
Need a recap?
BM begged for all blues to claim to him
BM kept pushing for plans involving blues claiming to town before anything confirmed goes down.
BM was fishing for Pandain's role in PM.
Foolishness isn't playing his town or blue style at all.
He was furiously defending BM right at the start of the game, despite BM's style being about the exact opposite of what Foolishness usually likes to see when playing as town.
BM was too busy pushing his sketchy plans to do any scumhunting day 1. He claimed Divinek was mafia, then backed off, voted for love1another and didn't make any hard push for anyone else. As soon as day breaks, he attempts to rewrite history by saying he was pushing for Foolishness's lynch but no one would listen. Watch him fail to seriously go after Foolishness on Day 2 and respond accordingly. If Foolishness gets lynched and flips red before Bill Murray, DO NOT trust BM regardless of what part he played in killing Foolishness.
If Foolishness and BM flip innocent feel free to bash on me and I'm sorry.
So if BM flips red and then Foolishness flips red, who to look at next then?
Hesmyrr: laid low, came out and put a FoS on BM while voting to save BM. I know Foolishness told the hatter to put a bomb on Hesmyrr; ignore this. Low risk of hatter following that, Foolishness didn't give a reason why, even if a hatter did that the hatter might not die for a while so it could keep him alive longer. Really, the post didn't seem to have any real intended effect, just the surface effect of putting the two players at odds - kinda like BM's quick FoS on Hesmyrr and some other player.
BrownBear: BM's first post subtly defended BB. He tried to help BM shoot down LSB's plan by pointing out small technicalities when BM's plan is nothing but one big huge liability. BM points out that a BB post is scummy as fuck and prompty goes no where with this line of reasoning. Posts about the same time as Foolishness during the time BM starts to get saved in the voting thread.
Foolishness says "What if BM doesn't get lynched (for whatever reason)?
BrownBear says "Are we really lynching BM day 1?"
Neither care to engage the argument on merits. BB and Foolishness both seem to be awfully focused on what happens to BM - I am too, but it's because he's scummy. No one should be so trust worthy of other players so early that they are willing to defend them so much; that's why it's weird that BM uses his first post to say that the mafia probably haven't posted yet.
Also, he PM'd me to say he is suspicious of BM but doesn't want to vote for him, which echoes Hesmyrr.
LSB: He was the first person I suspected; I don't suspect him anymore, though. BM's first post seemed to defend either him, or BB, or maybe both. I thought it was odd that he said that killing and inactive usually hurts town but argued for it anyway. He also posted from the perspective of mafia saying something "doesn't seem like a plan the mafia would fall for".
I like his plan, though. I don't think mafia would propose competing plans. If they did, it would be to confuse people so no plan happens but LSB has been really key in organizing and PMing so people can get on the same page. If the plan falls apart and backfires and some loophole gets revealed, take a look at him, but I think he's okay now.
bumatlarge was on my list for helping with the divinek thing but I'm not too on to him anymore. So my list is actually down to four - big dissapointment, I know.
I love the posts from Chezinu and his clone. Unfortunately they are very anti-town so you'll have to figure that out with DT or Ninja checks or lynches.
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On August 10 2010 07:15 XeliN wrote:
At this point I am urging anyone who hasn't roleclaimed to me already to do so, I'm only able to verify myself 100% to people who I can in turn verify, but if anyone is willing to trust at this point and claim to me it would be quite helpful.
I guess it might be obvious at this point that If I was lying in what i've been asserting then I would have been called out by now, and that hopefully is enough to persuade people of my innocence.
But anyway plz claim to me, especially the WATCHER.... who im starting to think is not even in this game which would be a great shame
Yeah fantastic claim to the guy that is 0% confirmed since the whole plan relied on the watcher who doesn't apparently exist. I doubt you would be GF, though, so I suppose if you weren't tracked anywhere fishy you could be alright. Unless you were the role blocker that didn't act last night so BB could claim being waxed; the rules are unclear whether this is possible or not.
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On August 10 2010 07:25 Bill Murray wrote:
you really are an abrasive little fellow
Yeah, we got off on the wrong foot. This may never be rectified until purgatory. I will see you on the smoky island, perhaps then we can reconcile our differences, yes?
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On August 10 2010 07:36 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 07:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 10 2010 07:15 XeliN wrote:
At this point I am urging anyone who hasn't roleclaimed to me already to do so, I'm only able to verify myself 100% to people who I can in turn verify, but if anyone is willing to trust at this point and claim to me it would be quite helpful.
I guess it might be obvious at this point that If I was lying in what i've been asserting then I would have been called out by now, and that hopefully is enough to persuade people of my innocence.
But anyway plz claim to me, especially the WATCHER.... who im starting to think is not even in this game which would be a great shame Yeah fantastic claim to the guy that is 0% confirmed since the whole plan relied on the watcher who doesn't apparently exist. I doubt you would be GF, though, so I suppose if you weren't tracked anywhere fishy you could be alright. Unless you were the role blocker that didn't act last night so BB could claim being waxed; the rules are unclear whether this is possible or not. DID you not see LSB's plan? If he was found red, he would of been given up a long time ago by the DT's that checked him. Fail Logic volume 1.
Yeah, okay. I don't think he's GF. Carry on.
We might have no DTs, though, with ninjas running around.
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On August 10 2010 07:43 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 07:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 10 2010 07:36 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 07:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 10 2010 07:15 XeliN wrote:
At this point I am urging anyone who hasn't roleclaimed to me already to do so, I'm only able to verify myself 100% to people who I can in turn verify, but if anyone is willing to trust at this point and claim to me it would be quite helpful.
I guess it might be obvious at this point that If I was lying in what i've been asserting then I would have been called out by now, and that hopefully is enough to persuade people of my innocence.
But anyway plz claim to me, especially the WATCHER.... who im starting to think is not even in this game which would be a great shame Yeah fantastic claim to the guy that is 0% confirmed since the whole plan relied on the watcher who doesn't apparently exist. I doubt you would be GF, though, so I suppose if you weren't tracked anywhere fishy you could be alright. Unless you were the role blocker that didn't act last night so BB could claim being waxed; the rules are unclear whether this is possible or not. DID you not see LSB's plan? If he was found red, he would of been given up a long time ago by the DT's that checked him. Fail Logic volume 1. Yeah, okay. I don't think he's GF. Carry on. We might have no DTs, though, with ninjas running around. yeah and the fairy god mother might come down and give you a c note use your head
If there's a problem with my post, point it out logically and explicitly, por favor.
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On August 10 2010 08:00 bumatlarge wrote:It should end tonight at 10pm I believe. Do you have contact with some blue roles at least Xelin? I feel really distanced, and would just like to know that people are doing what they are supposed to. Maybe I just have had to many conversations with Chez to trust blues 
Yeah, all sorts of shit is happening behind the scenes; it's mindfucking the hell out of me. This game is worse than talking to girls.
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On August 10 2010 08:25 Foolishness wrote:
For anyone who may be reading this game but not playing it, let it be known that saying "I'm blue" is much more convincing to prove yourself innocent than taking a hit at night.
For anyone who may be playing this game or reading it, let it be known that claiming vet and saying you've taken a hit is basically as much proof as just claiming blue, as in there is no proof.
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On August 10 2010 08:28 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 08:27 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 10 2010 08:25 Foolishness wrote:
For anyone who may be reading this game but not playing it, let it be known that saying "I'm blue" is much more convincing to prove yourself innocent than taking a hit at night. For anyone who may be playing this game or reading it, let it be known that claiming vet and saying you've taken a hit is basically as much proof as just claiming blue, as in there is no proof. Opz has a town circle of which he swears by is legit. Apparently I'm still mafia though. Did you know there have been at least 3 people to claim tracker so far? Maybe 4, it's hard for me to tell since nobody will talk to me. But now I'm just being bitter.
I have, in fact, heard that there are at least 3 people claiming tracker. I have also heard that I am a tracker, which is news to me.
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On August 10 2010 08:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 08:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 10 2010 08:28 Foolishness wrote:On August 10 2010 08:27 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 10 2010 08:25 Foolishness wrote:
For anyone who may be reading this game but not playing it, let it be known that saying "I'm blue" is much more convincing to prove yourself innocent than taking a hit at night. For anyone who may be playing this game or reading it, let it be known that claiming vet and saying you've taken a hit is basically as much proof as just claiming blue, as in there is no proof. Opz has a town circle of which he swears by is legit. Apparently I'm still mafia though. Did you know there have been at least 3 people to claim tracker so far? Maybe 4, it's hard for me to tell since nobody will talk to me. But now I'm just being bitter. I have, in fact, heard that there are at least 3 people claiming tracker. I have also heard that I am a tracker, which is news to me. You're actually Ninja. Let's get it straight. Duuhhhhhhhh. + Show Spoiler +
(Maybe you're MH...omg...What are you!?)
you have a circle; you tell me?
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Hmm so if we lynch youngminii, maybe we get something about Chezinu? It would make more sense if Chezinu was lynched first since he was the defended person, but whatever.
If BM is lynched, we will get a lot of info.
If Foolishness is lynched, we will get a lot of info.
If Artanis is lynched, we will get a lot of info.
If youngminii is lynched, we will get some iffy info on Chezinu.
If Chezinu is lynched, we will get a lot of info but let's not kill likely tracker.
I say we just stick to the plan and not let BM get saved again.
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@ Foolishness
- He claims veteran.
He's veteran or GF.
- He claims he didn't furiously defend BM.
I mentioned before he opened up with slight suspicion of BM. This doesn't phase me; I'm sure he would if red because he's not a rash player.
" I'd totally support you against this brodooski." Sounds like a lot of BM support to me. Also, the anti-BM posts came first, then he started to help BM. And it all comes down to where he actually puts his chips down: Foolishness was a key part of the bandwagon to save BM. Again, we should lynch Bill Murray first before we consider lynching Foolishness to avoid multiple mistakes here. The mafia wiki explains this tell is only useful if the defended person flips mafia - otherwise it could lead us to trouble.
- Foolishness says "Before Pyrry accused me in the thread I had nothing supporting Bill Murray."
This is an outright lie. First "I'd totally support you against this brodooski" came before I called Foolishness out. Second of all, his post asking for the list clearly was meant to say my list had to be false even though all Foolishness knew about it at the time was that Bill Murray was on it. Foolishness post against me was an attack even if he didn't accuse me of being red within it - it defended Bill Murray even though BM was not named.
Also, he didn't chainsaw against Divinek but Pandain. I did misspeak and say Divinek earlier, and I also corrected myself earlier. My apologies again.
I've posted the list for everyone to see; please evaluate it on its specific merits - not on some arbitrary opinion on whether or not lists are good in general.
I do know that Foolishness has been PMing with a lot of players since I revealed LSB's PMs about this (and LSB's suspicions about these PMs). I have also heard from players other than LSB.
- Foolishness says "Pyrry further said he didn't mean I chainsawed against Divinek, but against Pandain (he made a typo in his post). This further does not make sense since Pandain wasn't even against BM at the time (Pandain had voted for Chezinu)."
I will refer you to "I'd totally support you against this brodooski" since the brodooski was Pandain, who attacked Bill Murray for fishing for Pandain's role in PMs, something Foolishness admits to doing, since he is trying to set up a circle even though he admits he is not confirmed.
- RE: youngminii
Here we go with Foolishness trying to save BM again, despite the innumerable shady things BM did last day. Remember how BM started today saying he told us to lynch Foolishness on Day 1? Remember how I called that out as bullshit and told you he didn't go for Foolishness on Day 1 and wouldn't on Day 2? Notice how they are once again uniting to lynch someone and save BM?
The mafia is a team of six. Who does it look like youngminii is acting in concert with? Maybe chezinu. And I do have a little bit of possible interaction with chezinu / vayeshmaru / artanis. I still think Bill Murray / Foolishness / BB / Hesmyrr seems more likely.
Foolishness's case against youngminii adds up to this:
-not contributing
He says its uni. I dunno. Plenty of people have actively admitted to not reading the thread. Lynching inactives doesn't help game 1 and doesn't really help later. If we are going after mafia, go after the most active mafia first.
-defends Chezinu
The appropriate play is to lynch the defended person first, and only be suspicious of someone if you are suspicious of who they defended based on other evidence. This is why I say to go for BM first and only then go after Foolishness. Chezinu has claimed tracker... I am a bit wary about this. He's also begged for bus protection so we may not see him flip soon. I can only hope someone in these circles sorts things out if he is red.
-youngminii votes Foolishness after saying "his posts aren't hugely scummy"
Youngminii is making a good point that people should not automatically trust Foolishness just because of a blue claim, since he believes Foolishness is a good enough player to claim blue without making it obvious it is a fake claim. That's not a slip up. I don't know why he would vote Foolishness first rather than BM, but it's not enough to vote for him over Bill Murray to me, not even close.
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On August 10 2010 11:22 Bill Murray wrote:
you're taking that out of context. i said i don't want to reference what happened.
You can't say you don't want to reference it without referencing it. I'm sorry we've got so heated over the last few games.
I still believe you are mafia in this game. I do not like that you ask for all blues to claim on day 1 (a play you previously did as godfather). I do not like that town is not bothered by this and that DTA keeps reposting it.
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On August 10 2010 11:16 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 11:14 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Hmm so if we lynch youngminii, maybe we get something about Chezinu? It would make more sense if Chezinu was lynched first since he was the defended person, but whatever.
If BM is lynched, we will get a lot of info.
If Foolishness is lynched, we will get a lot of info.
If Artanis is lynched, we will get a lot of info.
If youngminii is lynched, we will get some iffy info on Chezinu.
If Chezinu is lynched, we will get a lot of info but let's not kill likely tracker.
I say we just stick to the plan and not let BM get saved again.
can you please go into detail about all the info we'll get. I wanna see if there's someone who gives the best/most info! that and it's annoying when people say something without saying it. Anyways with that im taking my vote off chez for now...i suppose he can be investigated and such.
I will try to post as much as I can by the end of night but I am still trying to work stuff out and see if anything surfaces from these circle things.
+ Show Spoiler +Alright, so instead of a big pre-dawn post I'll try to make this quick. [EDIT: Still turned out long even though I left out a bunch of quotes]
Bill Murray and Foolishness are the two obvious reds to me. They were best buddies, I pointed out Foolishness chainsaw defending BM twice, and all of a sudden they are bluffing against each other. Simple enough. If BM flips red and you don't take out Foolishness, fuck you town, you deserve the loss and more.
Need a recap?
BM begged for all blues to claim to him
BM kept pushing for plans involving blues claiming to town before anything confirmed goes down.
BM was fishing for Pandain's role in PM.
Foolishness isn't playing his town or blue style at all.
He was furiously defending BM right at the start of the game, despite BM's style being about the exact opposite of what Foolishness usually likes to see when playing as town.
BM was too busy pushing his sketchy plans to do any scumhunting day 1. He claimed Divinek was mafia, then backed off, voted for love1another and didn't make any hard push for anyone else. As soon as day breaks, he attempts to rewrite history by saying he was pushing for Foolishness's lynch but no one would listen. Watch him fail to seriously go after Foolishness on Day 2 and respond accordingly. If Foolishness gets lynched and flips red before Bill Murray, DO NOT trust BM regardless of what part he played in killing Foolishness.
If Foolishness and BM flip innocent feel free to bash on me and I'm sorry.
So if BM flips red and then Foolishness flips red, who to look at next then?
Hesmyrr: laid low, came out and put a FoS on BM while voting to save BM. I know Foolishness told the hatter to put a bomb on Hesmyrr; ignore this. Low risk of hatter following that, Foolishness didn't give a reason why, even if a hatter did that the hatter might not die for a while so it could keep him alive longer. Really, the post didn't seem to have any real intended effect, just the surface effect of putting the two players at odds - kinda like BM's quick FoS on Hesmyrr and some other player.
BrownBear: BM's first post subtly defended BB. He tried to help BM shoot down LSB's plan by pointing out small technicalities when BM's plan is nothing but one big huge liability. BM points out that a BB post is scummy as fuck and prompty goes no where with this line of reasoning. Posts about the same time as Foolishness during the time BM starts to get saved in the voting thread.
Foolishness says "What if BM doesn't get lynched (for whatever reason)?
BrownBear says "Are we really lynching BM day 1?"
Neither care to engage the argument on merits. BB and Foolishness both seem to be awfully focused on what happens to BM - I am too, but it's because he's scummy. No one should be so trust worthy of other players so early that they are willing to defend them so much; that's why it's weird that BM uses his first post to say that the mafia probably haven't posted yet.
Also, he PM'd me to say he is suspicious of BM but doesn't want to vote for him, which echoes Hesmyrr.
LSB: He was the first person I suspected; I don't suspect him anymore, though. BM's first post seemed to defend either him, or BB, or maybe both. I thought it was odd that he said that killing and inactive usually hurts town but argued for it anyway. He also posted from the perspective of mafia saying something "doesn't seem like a plan the mafia would fall for".
I like his plan, though. I don't think mafia would propose competing plans. If they did, it would be to confuse people so no plan happens but LSB has been really key in organizing and PMing so people can get on the same page. If the plan falls apart and backfires and some loophole gets revealed, take a look at him, but I think he's okay now.
bumatlarge was on my list for helping with the divinek thing but I'm not too on to him anymore. So my list is actually down to four - big dissapointment, I know.
I love the posts from Chezinu and his clone. Unfortunately they are very anti-town so you'll have to figure that out with DT or Ninja checks or lynches.
That covers my thoughts on BM / Foolishness. Additionally, we now have Foolishness claiming vet so the result of that could help figure out how compromised or not his circle is, since I know he's been PMing a lot of players.
I think Artanis is at least partially the source of this false rumor that I am a tracker. I'm not sure on this.
Youngminii did defend Chez. That defense definitely stuck out to me so Foolishness is right to bring it up again. If Chez were to flip red I would go for youngminii. I'm not good at dealing with non-talkative / weird players like Chez. My read on Chez is tracker... I'm not sure why he didn't follow the plan, though. Could be an excuse for some faking stuff. Chez is tracker or mafia; that much I am sure of. If he were to flip red I think I've outlined his possible bros above.
Right now, I am ready to flip Bill Murray and see if Team 2 is the red team. Bill Murray is hinting that he will blue claim. This does not phase me because he never made this threat when he was as close to death yesterday. Maybe he is hinting not at blue claim but some other sort of circle / information thing. We will just have to deal with that as it comes. Bill Murray is a day 1 lynch often. The fact that he is getting a lot of help to stay alive seems odd to me when he has made dangerous plans and has not contributed too much.
If he turns out to be town, this Team 2, centering on youngminii and chez can be investigated next.
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On August 10 2010 12:06 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 11:55 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 10 2010 11:22 Bill Murray wrote:
you're taking that out of context. i said i don't want to reference what happened. You can't say you don't want to reference it without referencing it. I'm sorry we've got so heated over the last few games. I still believe you are mafia in this game. I do not like that you ask for all blues to claim on day 1 (a play you previously did as godfather). I do not like that town is not bothered by this and that DTA keeps reposting it. well im less bothered by it because i couldnt believe anyone in their right mind would do it like there's no way if you were a blue role you'd go BM said to claim to him1?!? dohh'kay lets do it! i think he's a pretty fine lynch candidate for that reason alone though, since i suppose there's always one or two mindless sheep out there that act before they think, but it's gonna be sad face if he flips any kind of blue role
Exactly, there are always these people that skim the thread or are new. Last game it was subversion who became our mafia team's DT just because one of us asked.
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er above I said "I am ready to flip Bill Murray and see if Team 2 is the red team"
I meant Team 1.
Team 1: I see as Bill Murray, Foolishness, and Brown Bear for sure. Next members in decreasing likelihood: Hesmyrr, SouthRawrea (maybe?), a have a few other ideas but not worth it to cross that bridge now
Team 2: Chezinu, Youngminii, VayeshMaru, maybe Artanis.
Another weird thing about Day 1 voting
By the end of the day, it was very two sided. These Day 1 things don't usually end up this way. If there wasn't a mafia at stake, things would probably be spread out a lot. There were a ton of people banding on to love1another. He was gonna be no help to town but there were a lot of other inactives. Now people were partially voting to save BM because he is a big name I guess, but it surprises me that it would get up to 10 votes on love1another. It seems to me like some mafia bandwagonned onto love1another to save BM, and then some townies followed onto that wagon.
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On August 10 2010 12:41 bumatlarge wrote:
Hey uh, misder and tree hugger, why dont you come and say that stuff in PM land in here?
Oooh juicy. Haven't heard anything about either of them in PM land.
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On August 10 2010 12:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
er above I said "I am ready to flip Bill Murray and see if Team 2 is the red team"
I meant Team 1.
Team 1: I see as Bill Murray, Foolishness, and Brown Bear for sure. Next members in decreasing likelihood: Hesmyrr, SouthRawrea (maybe?), a have a few other ideas but not worth it to cross that bridge now
Team 2: Chezinu, Youngminii, VayeshMaru, maybe Artanis.
Another weird thing about Day 1 voting
By the end of the day, it was very two sided. These Day 1 things don't usually end up this way. If there wasn't a mafia at stake, things would probably be spread out a lot. There were a ton of people banding on to love1another. He was gonna be no help to town but there were a lot of other inactives. Now people were partially voting to save BM because he is a big name I guess, but it surprises me that it would get up to 10 votes on love1another. It seems to me like some mafia bandwagonned onto love1another to save BM, and then some townies followed onto that wagon.
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lol wut how did that happen? sorry
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I'm not basing my lynch off of getting the most info. I have heard from Citi.zen, I believe, and someone else (BM, I think), that Youngminii would be the best lynch for info. I didn't think this was true, so I refuted it.
I think Bill Murray is the most suspicious, the most likely mafia. That, ultimately, is why I am voting for him.
Foolishness says "The majority of us have been around to know that he does this nearly every game. And I say nearly because the times he doesn't are when he's mafia."
I've already shown this to be false. BM was green in TL Mafia XvIII: he ran for mayor and his plan was simply to follow what the majority of town wants. In TL Mafia XX, I think (it was the game with assassins, for sure), Bill Murray was Godfather and screwed over the town by convincing them to follow a plan with a lot of blues claiming publically.
Foolishness says "PYP mafia comes to mind, he had the Inventor role and came up with all these ridiculous plans..."
Point taken, but Inventor is a ridiculous role that lends itself to ridiculous plans. BM's plan in this game wasn't complicated - it was "everyone claim to me", which is much closer to his last game as Godfather.
" BM does this when he's town, and he very very very very frequently gets lynched for it."
I haven't seen any evidence of a mass blue claiming plan from Bill Murray except when Godfather that one game.
"Pyrry is making us seem buddy buddy when it's clear that I was suspicious of BM day 1, and BM has been suspicious of me since day started."
You voted to save Bill Murray day 1 and defended him against me and Pandain. That totally outweighs a few public doubts. BM has been suspicious of you to no actual effect, only did this after my pressure, and you're both still voting to save BM.
I remember Pikachu very well. The lesson learned was: Clues suck. I need to learn to look at behavior.
Foolishness's argument on youngminii "has evidence and posts supporting that he's acting differently from when he's town." I have better: posts that show Bill Murray is advocating a plan similar to when he has been Godfather.
"His further slip up when he says he didn't think I was scum only further adds to his case."
How is that any different from how you and Bill Murray have refused to FoS me? WIFOM.
"Pyrry keeps spamming the thread making it impossible to have anything meaningful stick"
I just lost a game due to Bill Murray and someone else burying everything important I had to say - I'd like to not lose another.
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On August 10 2010 13:09 BrownBear wrote:
Bill Murray is a fucking idiot. As is foolishness, he was in no way supposed to give shit out to other people.
If I die tonight it's both of your fucking fault.
Lol so at least I'm right that they were interacting behind the scenes.
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