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On August 07 2010 12:08 LSB wrote:
Before I go to sleep.
What about this?
Watcher watches BM. Everyone else makes a beeline and random medics / Vigilanties / Stalkers go visit BM.
The Watcher then proceeds to PM everyone who visited BM and demands a Role Claim.
If someone pretends to be watcher, he'll probably make a mistake and won't send a PM to the right person, and then easy expose.
After a while, if the people who visited BM confirm that the Watcher is correct. The Watcher PMs everyone else who did not visit BM and demands a roleclaim
So we basically get 1 person who is confirmed.
First thing: no benefit to using BM as the watched person.
That said: maybe this is better. Only problems are with getting waxed but our blues will know if they get waxed so that's not even a problem. Mafia would get the ID of the Watcher but we could protect them indefinitely with bus driver, right?
Dude I think we might have a winner, here. Please look at LSB's plan here and critique it.
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On August 07 2010 12:09 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:08 LSB wrote:
Before I go to sleep.
What about this?
Watcher watches BM. Everyone else makes a beeline and random medics / Vigilanties / Stalkers go visit BM.
The Watcher then proceeds to PM everyone who visited BM and demands a Role Claim.
If someone pretends to be watcher, he'll probably make a mistake and won't send a PM to the right person, and then easy expose.
After a while, if the people who visited BM confirm that the Watcher is correct. The Watcher PMs everyone else who did not visit BM and demands a roleclaim
So we basically get 1 person who is confirmed. nope that doesnt work cause roleblocker can get all that info if he pms everyone and then mafia have huge list of ez blue targets.
If any green gets a PM, he comes forward and says "this person sent me a PM even though I did not visit the target" and we lynch the roleblocker or whichever mafia sent a green a message saying he was watched.
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re: LSB's plan
If any blue gets roleblocked, they will be notified of the waxing and they will know not to expect a PM from the watcher.
If the watcher gets roleblocked, they just don't send out PMs since they didn't get to watch.
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On August 07 2010 12:18 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 12:08 LSB wrote:
Before I go to sleep.
What about this?
Watcher watches BM. Everyone else makes a beeline and random medics / Vigilanties / Stalkers go visit BM.
The Watcher then proceeds to PM everyone who visited BM and demands a Role Claim.
If someone pretends to be watcher, he'll probably make a mistake and won't send a PM to the right person, and then easy expose.
After a while, if the people who visited BM confirm that the Watcher is correct. The Watcher PMs everyone else who did not visit BM and demands a roleclaim
So we basically get 1 person who is confirmed. First thing: no benefit to using BM as the watched person. That said: maybe this is better. Only problems are with getting waxed but our blues will know if they get waxed so that's not even a problem. Mafia would get the ID of the Watcher but we could protect them indefinitely with bus driver, right? Dude I think we might have a winner, here. Please look at LSB's plan here and critique it. How would people know which one is real watcher and which one is mafia if they get asked?
The mafia can't watch, so there will be blues that don't get PMd from a mafia trying to fake watcher. The mafia fake-watcher may also end up PMing greens, there by giving themselves away.
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On August 07 2010 12:18 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:18 chaoser wrote:On August 07 2010 12:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 12:08 LSB wrote:
Before I go to sleep.
What about this?
Watcher watches BM. Everyone else makes a beeline and random medics / Vigilanties / Stalkers go visit BM.
The Watcher then proceeds to PM everyone who visited BM and demands a Role Claim.
If someone pretends to be watcher, he'll probably make a mistake and won't send a PM to the right person, and then easy expose.
After a while, if the people who visited BM confirm that the Watcher is correct. The Watcher PMs everyone else who did not visit BM and demands a roleclaim
So we basically get 1 person who is confirmed. First thing: no benefit to using BM as the watched person. That said: maybe this is better. Only problems are with getting waxed but our blues will know if they get waxed so that's not even a problem. Mafia would get the ID of the Watcher but we could protect them indefinitely with bus driver, right? Dude I think we might have a winner, here. Please look at LSB's plan here and critique it. How would people know which one is real watcher and which one is mafia if they get asked? agreed, and what if a person accidently sends it to a mafia because they asked first. No wayt ot ell who real watcher is.
If what person accidentally sends what to a mafia? We can easily pick out a fake watcher with this plan because the only way to fake watcher will be to CORRECTLY GUESS 100% OF THE VISITING BLUES.
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ah wtf there are nosy neighbors. didn't even fucking see that till now.
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On August 07 2010 12:25 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
ah wtf there are nosy neighbors. didn't even fucking see that till now. 1/30 chance, negligible.
We don't know how many there are do we?
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On August 07 2010 12:24 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 12:18 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 12:18 chaoser wrote:On August 07 2010 12:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 12:08 LSB wrote:
Before I go to sleep.
What about this?
Watcher watches BM. Everyone else makes a beeline and random medics / Vigilanties / Stalkers go visit BM.
The Watcher then proceeds to PM everyone who visited BM and demands a Role Claim.
If someone pretends to be watcher, he'll probably make a mistake and won't send a PM to the right person, and then easy expose.
After a while, if the people who visited BM confirm that the Watcher is correct. The Watcher PMs everyone else who did not visit BM and demands a roleclaim
So we basically get 1 person who is confirmed. First thing: no benefit to using BM as the watched person. That said: maybe this is better. Only problems are with getting waxed but our blues will know if they get waxed so that's not even a problem. Mafia would get the ID of the Watcher but we could protect them indefinitely with bus driver, right? Dude I think we might have a winner, here. Please look at LSB's plan here and critique it. How would people know which one is real watcher and which one is mafia if they get asked? agreed, and what if a person accidently sends it to a mafia because they asked first. No wayt ot ell who real watcher is. If what person accidentally sends what to a mafia? We can easily pick out a fake watcher with this plan because the only way to fake watcher will be to CORRECTLY GUESS 100% OF THE VISITING BLUES. So some adaptions to this plan: People who get pmed from watcher will wait 12-24 hours to see if a townie will claim he got a pm from said person before the blues will respond vigis will NOT visit said person(lol) This plan does seem pretty good...
Current Version of LSB Plan
We pick a THIS GUY.
All watchers watch him. All detectives check him. All medics prot him. All trackers track him.
Bus drivers and vigis stay away. Hatters probably stay away, too.
If a blue's action went through (no waxing) they will expect a PM from a watcher.
If no PMs are sent, there is no watcher or watcher was waxed.
If a blue gets one PM, then that is the real watcher unless the unlikely event of the watcher being waxed (mafia can possibly claim waxed watcher).
If a green gets a PM they can come forward - they are nosy neighbor or mafia is faking. If no greens come forward we are probably doing good.
If a blue that didn't act on THIS GUY gets a PM, we have a surefire mafia.
If no one steps forward seeing shenanigans for say, 24 hours. We can have watcher step forward - no one else comes forward we can protect them with bus. If more than one step forward, a blue can use pm evidence to out them if they are fake, maybe a DT can use a mouth they've confirmed (look for mafia to use an innocent as a mouth here, or maybe a mafia as a mouth like rastaban/sr last game).
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On August 07 2010 12:33 SouthRawrea wrote:
Godfather can fake whispered green can they not? I think we should stick with the original plan.
Any chance you want to talk in the thread and on the record about why you switched your vote from Bill Murray to love1another in order to switch it from 5-4 to 4-5?
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On August 07 2010 12:35 Divinek wrote:
it's still quite unlikely a noisy neighbour is going to visit bm that night
we can easily just get every townie that gets a pm from the 'watcher' to say he did and if it's more than say 1 or 2 , two would easily be even pushing it, then all the blues can know the watcher is a bullshitter.
and besides like said the mafia would have to for sure hit every blue on that list accurately and there's just no way mafia could come even close to doing this
because all the people that visit him KNOW they did it
Yeah. There are a few fake claim opportunities I listed to watch out for, but I find this to be the best plan yet.
Don't think we should use BM, though. It would probably be best to pick someone we are most sure is not a ninja, or someone from the PL Finals list.
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On August 07 2010 12:39 Divinek wrote:
also in theory if all the blues that can do this actually do it
we get a circle that includes
trackers, watchers, medics, dts, and even MH cause they might as well place a bomb on bm/this person whoever, and they can move it the next day just so they can be put into this circle
only vig and vets wont be pulled in right away
but still how do we distinguish a role blocker from all the other roles? if they visit with all these people and fake claim
there's no way to check them out because we dont have role counts, unless this person is the go between, between ALL of the roles and doesnt use names or something
I'm not sure we can really confirm the people the watcher sees. It's the watcher that we can hopefully confirm and then protect with the bus driver.
I suppose the best way for the mafia to mess this plan up would be to have someone claim acting blue and say they didn't get a pm. That would probably force a few blues out of hiding to counter the bs claim.
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On August 07 2010 12:44 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 12:35 Divinek wrote:
it's still quite unlikely a noisy neighbour is going to visit bm that night
we can easily just get every townie that gets a pm from the 'watcher' to say he did and if it's more than say 1 or 2 , two would easily be even pushing it, then all the blues can know the watcher is a bullshitter.
and besides like said the mafia would have to for sure hit every blue on that list accurately and there's just no way mafia could come even close to doing this
because all the people that visit him KNOW they did it Yeah. There are a few fake claim opportunities I listed to watch out for, but I find this to be the best plan yet. Don't think we should use BM, though. It would probably be best to pick someone we are most sure is not a ninja, or someone from the PL Finals list. BM is NOT a ninja. I can guarantee you that 99.99%. His play has been WAY too active, too risky, too lynch-inducing to be a a ninja.
Yeah, I can guarantee you 99.99% he's red and so I'd rather just see him go today *shrug*. Can't be too lynch-inducing when he's already out of the noose thanks to SouthRawrea's change (not necessarily fosing SR btw).
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On August 07 2010 12:47 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:43 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 12:39 Divinek wrote:
also in theory if all the blues that can do this actually do it
we get a circle that includes
trackers, watchers, medics, dts, and even MH cause they might as well place a bomb on bm/this person whoever, and they can move it the next day just so they can be put into this circle
only vig and vets wont be pulled in right away
but still how do we distinguish a role blocker from all the other roles? if they visit with all these people and fake claim
there's no way to check them out because we dont have role counts, unless this person is the go between, between ALL of the roles and doesnt use names or something I'm not sure we can really confirm the people the watcher sees. It's the watcher that we can hopefully confirm and then protect with the bus driver. I suppose the best way for the mafia to mess this plan up would be to have someone claim acting blue and say they didn't get a pm. That would probably force a few blues out of hiding to counter the bs claim. yeah but once we have a confirmed watcher that has a list of like 70%+ of the blue roles in the game where the hell can we go from there? Because he cant communicate with any of them directly, like he cant be like 'okay dude that dt claimed to me check this person from my list' because if that person is the roleblocker etc though i suppose he could get clever and get 2 claimers to check each other cause it'd be totally worth it for us to kill the roleblocker for a dt or something just trying to see where this would get us
Yeah that's true hmm. I imagine the watcher will get a lone claimer for one of the blue roles and I doubt there are unused roles AND the mafia would get lucky enough to claim as that one. So we could make progress that way.
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On August 07 2010 12:49 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:47 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 12:44 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 12:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 12:35 Divinek wrote:
it's still quite unlikely a noisy neighbour is going to visit bm that night
we can easily just get every townie that gets a pm from the 'watcher' to say he did and if it's more than say 1 or 2 , two would easily be even pushing it, then all the blues can know the watcher is a bullshitter.
and besides like said the mafia would have to for sure hit every blue on that list accurately and there's just no way mafia could come even close to doing this
because all the people that visit him KNOW they did it Yeah. There are a few fake claim opportunities I listed to watch out for, but I find this to be the best plan yet. Don't think we should use BM, though. It would probably be best to pick someone we are most sure is not a ninja, or someone from the PL Finals list. BM is NOT a ninja. I can guarantee you that 99.99%. His play has been WAY too active, too risky, too lynch-inducing to be a a ninja. Yeah, I can guarantee you 99.99% he's red and so I'd rather just see him go today *shrug*. Can't be too lynch-inducing when he's already out of the noose thanks to SouthRawrea's change (not necessarily fosing SR btw). One of the main reasons he's not getting lynched is the point he could be a blue and thus contribute greatly to my plan. Anyway, I'm really starting to think we should have a combination of our two plans(mine and LSB's) since that would force 1) Many mafia to come out and combat these growing circles As long as allow us to 1)Grow 2 circles 2) Catch a potential GF 3)Get more infomation.
Don't try to make it too complicated. I guess if you have a combo idea give your more detailed idea.
I think I've already gone over a bunch of great reasons why you can't catch the GF with your plan. However, with the LSB plan the GF can't do the action of the role he appears as.
Hmm... so if we have a confirmed watcher, we could possibly root out mafia claims by asking the mafia member to do something on someone and then watching it. Mafia could use roleblocker/framer to fake this but perhaps we could find away around it and this plan would certainly get very powerful if we were to knock out 1/2 red special roles.
Given the lengths certain people have gone to protect BM I have thought that perhaps he is one of the special roles.
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On August 07 2010 12:51 bumatlarge wrote:
Ok ignore the fact that i stated pandains plan was in action 10 pages before he brought it up.
Do we have any day roles? I thought they were all night. So what could you possibly be talking about.
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On August 07 2010 13:13 Pandain wrote:
How bout, with my plan, we add a DT checking BM. IF he turns out Vet, and DT can PM watcher, than we lynch him, because it's hella unlikely that he just HAPPENS to be those vets. Also, watcher can also ask for other vets to PM him counterclaiming just in case.
Would be nice if BM could tell us what he is or comment on the plan.
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On August 07 2010 13:39 larjarse wrote:
Divinek, I have PMed flamewheel several times with questions so callate la voca.
Yeah flamewheel has been on MSN all night but still hasn't answered my question about whether a watcher can see a tracker attempting to track a ninja.
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Repost:
KT 4-0 4-1 4-2 4-3 3-4 2-4 1-4 0-4
My unbiased and fun-inducing plan for determining THIS GUY:
Roffles (4-2 Either Team)
Hesmyrr (KT 4-3 SKT1) (KT 4-1 SKT1)
Artanis[xp] (KT 3-4 SKT1) (KT 1-4 SKT1)
They posted at least a bit so less likey ones here:
Laaan (KT 4-0 SKT1)
Love1Another (KT 0-4 SKT1) (If love1another gets lynched, put this on Laaan)
I guess it's not too guaranteed they will die for being THIS GUY since mafia can just send roleblocker or framer so we don't need to pick from inactives but I think this will work anyway.
Also, lynch BM:
Digging for blues in PMs
Begging for roleclaims when unconfirmed (exactly what he did last game he was GF)
Creating a bandwagon to save himself and lying about why
Chainsaw defended by Foolishness so we will know where to go next if he flips red
Only reason love1another is dying is people get some idea that the game doesn't start until Day 2. You really think he is red? No, he's just unhelpful. What's more unhelpful? Posting a bit, or begging for role claims and coming up with dangerous plans when Pandain and LSB came up with rational ones. You can indeed pick out people on Day 1 - in fact, this is when mafia has their guard down most and their organization figured out least. Foolishness would back me up on this if he wasn't acting completely erratic and scummy this game.
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On August 07 2010 16:53 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 13:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 13:39 larjarse wrote:
Divinek, I have PMed flamewheel several times with questions so callate la voca. Yeah flamewheel has been on MSN all night but still hasn't answered my question about whether a watcher can see a tracker attempting to track a ninja. ? Uhhh I have no logs on my MSN today. If Watcher is watching ninja he/she sees nothing.
Wellllll that was unexpected and makes our plans potentially harder.
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Dude, Bill Murray. I underestimated you, man. Well, my biggest fuck up was thinking I could lynch you on day 1. I should have realized town will never try to lynch a mafia on day 1 because they'd rather go after townies that are goofing a bit or don't know what the hell they are doing. You're so fucking obvious and no one gives a shit. I'm so depressed over this. 
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