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Pandain
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Pandain had found it! He had found the secret list, detailing everyone who was mafia. In addition, it was signed by flamewheel himself! He picked it up, and started typing it into his computer...when suddenly he noticed. "Grand Finals" Pandain threw the paper into the fire, and began to prepare collecting the tears of KT fanboys. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 07 2010 17:55 Bill Murray wrote: no what we need is the tracker to claim, in thread, who they are going to track. Why do that? That only reveals who the tracker is to mafia. Much better imo just for town to publicly select one. I would prefer a townie actually coming up and saying "Hey pick me, a regular townie with no special abilities." But int he end, it doesn't really matter as the chances of said person getting shot by mafia is low. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 07 2010 18:01 Bill Murray wrote: the medics would know who to protect, then. the watcher watches him, and confirms whether or not he's lying. if he isn't lying, the watcher doesn't even need to claim. he can pm him if he wants, or not. i'd prefer if he didn't pm him, and didn't say anything, unless the tracker is lying. As of now and during this night the tracker will have no fear of being shot. The watcher won't reveal who he is/ tracker is until at least the day. All it does right now is invite the mafia to shoot him. I have already detailed how we will find a false claimer in the case a special mafia tries to fake as tracker. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 07 2010 18:07 Bill Murray wrote: your plan turns into an unorganized clusterfuck in which we will not be able to get any information at all. my plan turns into 1 confirmed townie and outs only 1 person who can be double medic protected. Does the mafia really want to triplestack on a double-protected tracker? I don't think they would. Anyone who is against this is probably mafia Yes, yes they would. Because this tracker is the best hope we have of getting at least one confirmed circle, 1-2 red's(possibly GF), and possibly even contributing to another HUGE circle (aka LSB's plan) | ||
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Pandain
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Theres a difference. | ||
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Pandain
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On August 07 2010 18:24 Bill Murray wrote: you tried to steal my plan if anything, your plan is like my plan, except it is worse because it risks a lot of blues potentially, whereas mine risks one. respond to why we should lay all our cards out on the table when there are roleblockers, framers, and ninjas lurking out there, and convince me, and i'll back off. i want this whole planning stage to end, really, so we can start scumhunting My plan risks alot of blues? At most it risks 1. Just one 1. Maybe you're reffering to LSB's plan? As I said, my plan has the same outcome as your plan but my plan reveals whether your scum or not. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 07 2010 18:29 Bill Murray wrote: I'm not mafia, and the DT should be trying to find mafia, so I disagree with you Who says they aren't? The DT will be finding out whether you are blue or mafia, in which case either lynch you or add you to circle. I'm pretty sure this is like the perfect decision for DT to check. | ||
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Pandain
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On August 07 2010 19:08 Bill Murray wrote: ok, but since you "modified" my idea, you've ruined it. you are letting a roleblocker ruin a circle potentially the way i am doing it limits it to 1 person who needs to be pmed, the way you all have modified it makes it to where multiple people have to do multiple things. you all are also indicating to him where to go, which doesn't confirm shit. it needs to be called BEFORE and BY the person. We can't say "Go to house A" or we won't know who the fucking tracker is in the first place. Your "idea" which suspiciously came RIGHT after mine is like the mafia-influenced variant of my idea. It enables multiple people to know where to go. What I want the tracker to do is to roleclaim and to call his shot. Mafia won't do this unless they want to trade a roleblocker or framer for a tracker, which they won't want to. I'd take that trade. I really don't believe a ninja would want to get mixed up in that shit, either. wtf... you pm me saying you'd be alright with my plan if I gave you credit for the original, and then this? You confuse me so much. Instead of saying "it lets the mafia know stuff" say why that's bad. Yeah, the mafia knows we're checking. It's up to them to make their move. Either way, we've got them up against a wall. Your plan might work, but I said this and I will say this again: MY PLAN WILL FIGURE OUT YOUR ROLE AS WELL! So my plan is in effect, a better variation than yours. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 07 2010 19:15 Bill Murray wrote: your plan isn't good. let me explain this in language even a 14 year old would understand: watcher watches player a tracker tracks player a framer frames player a roleblocker blocks player a watcher sees tracker, framer, roleblocker, but doesn't know who is who This is my plan: watcher watches the claimed tracker who says he's visiting player a tracker visits player a = we trust him tracker doesn't visit player a = we discuss lynching him ahaha, if that happens, that's the best thing ever. We get BOTH of the special roles for mafia. The watcher will know everyone, and basically we can medic protect the watcher and then lynch the other 3. Sure, we might lose a tracker but we'll get a framer and a roleblocker. Better evidence please. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 07 2010 19:23 Bill Murray wrote: You also act like them roleblocking our tracker is a bad thing... would you rather have a tracker roleblocked or a medic?  my plan is way better imo It is a bad thing, then your plan won't work. Duh. On August 07 2010 19:25 Bill Murray wrote: also, if we have 1 tracker claim, and no counter-claim, we won't even need to lynch him. we can just medic protect him, bus him, whatever to keep him alive. furthermore, if we can't break the game like i want to, we have to resort to scumhunting! oh no, whatever shall we do. Basically what the watcher in my plan would do, however my watcher would get way more info. On August 07 2010 19:19 Bill Murray wrote: you act like we'll KNOW they're mafia. We won't. Congragulations! You just identified a negligigible risk that has been already discussed and found to be highly, highly, highly improbable. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 07 2010 19:46 Bill Murray wrote: you consider fakeclaims negligible? you were in last game... did you learn ANYTHING? So tracker fake claims. We've already discussed this. Do you really want me to explain it for like the 5th time. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 07 2010 19:48 Bill Murray wrote: I'd rather not have to worry about it. With my variation, we force them to roleblock a role they don't really even want to roleblockm, because town circles scare them With my plan, they do the same. Since if they want to stop the town circle they have to send a framer/roleblocker to said person(Preferably you.) My plan does everything yours does, but better. Please realize that. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 07 2010 19:56 Bill Murray wrote: and if you're saying no medics, no bus, only 1 dt (it would be 2, since we'll have 2, durr. or it COULD be none. they might both think "the other one will do it".), 1 watcher, 1 tracker, it will still end up being 4 or 5 people, if not more, mark my words. watcher has to deal with these people -1 Hmm... unless someone else can offer anything, this may be right. The chance of there being two dts is enough to be taken seriously. Thoughts about this? I'd like to try to save the plan if possible? | ||
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Pandain
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So I'm voting Roffles. I'm sorry man, you can't just make one post so far, and that one post saying you don't care about anything anyone's saying. That doesn't help anyone at all. With that, I'm voting him. | ||
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Pandain
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Though as several people now(pming) I have been on vacation and will not be AS active, but hopefully at least once a day be on for like ~1-2 hours. Interesting things happened, and after reading the thread I've thought of some things. Chezinu: What the fadoodle. I mean seriously, wtf. WHY DID YOU NOT FOLLOW THE PLAN! All you did until you claimed was post non-relavant pieces of content. LSB's plan was a good one. IT was almost absolutely flawless, and you can tell even the mafia were shaking in their boots because they assasinated him. He's new right? So the plan is the only reason they killed him. Meaning: 1. They knew it would work/afraid it would almost certainly They also probably devised a counter plan to do: perhaps even involving a certain someone false claiming tracker therefore seemingly ruining the plan. Not saying you're lying, but if you're not you just fadoodled the town. I mean, if you didn't track, than alot of blues just wasted their check for nothing. Seriously Chezinu, I know you "like to do your own stuff" but you're expierenced and should know if you're going to let something like that happen you should at The VERY LEAST say why you felt the plan was bad. It's stuff like this that make me question you. In addition, people who argued against the plan in thread or pm should be looked at carefully, as well as people who claimed "the plan has died!" after the post. The plan is alive, and the plan can work. Make it work people. We know that BB was roleblocked, so Xelin wasn't roleblocked. Meaning the mafia 99.9999% surely did frame Xelin. Therefore, if DT's found anything else Xelin is GF. But he's almost certainly not. If there is another tracker, I highly suggest they claim now. Why? Chezinu claimed to be tracker. For reasons above and more I don't believe he truly is. I think mafia made him GF and let him be tracker because they needed to ruin the plan. With another tracker, they track Chezinu. Xelin, if Chezinu is in your circle, please beware. He may have claimed to you as tracker, but unless you 100% know for a fact he is (which I doubt you do) I think you should watch out. Be careful with your info. I do believe Xelin is innocent, but I have no proof and it's just my gut so I will comment on that no more. It seems to me Foolishness is in all likelihood telling the truth. However, if he was protected by med he should say so, in which case the plan might very well be ruined. Food for thought as I'm about to go: 1.Lynch Chezinu, if he's tracker than we know VM is innocent. Confirmed=yay Comment on everything here. Hopefully I'll be back tomorrow or something. Responding to PM's now. Have a good day! n.n | ||
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Pandain
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Pandain
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Also: To whoever broke the Secret Friendship Alliance, you have just broken my heart. Watcher you have the info town needs. We can tell Xelin is innocent because if he was red they wouldn't have killed LSB, because the plan would've already been ruined (aka doon't need framer to frame him.) So you can find out the truth aka. But you need to trust him. | ||
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Pandain
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I've pmed Xelin with some information, hopefully he'll see the truth. Until then(or he responds) right now all that's happening is making it harder to see people's motives later(since they will change their vote for me, I won't be lynched, but they won't have to make a decision between the true role-revealer: Young and BM(think he's the second choice right?) | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 11 2010 08:35 Hesmyrr wrote: I'll wait and see. Enough votes have been traded places to make a difference anyway. Indeed, that's why everyone should change back their vote to the original, and then prepare to change if Xelin does respond. Right now all it does is give mafia the perfect opportunity to not get young killed, all the while claiming "Well Xelin said Pandain's the mafia." Offering a new lynch option like an hour before deadline is not a smart move, makes mafia too powerful in determining votes. Lynch me tommorow if Xelin doesn't respond. Right now mafia are surely taking this opportunity. | ||
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