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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 06 2010 17:48 GMT
#38
you know what... I wasn't going to play since I have summer class finals, but I can't resist.

/in
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-14 17:10:07
July 14 2010 17:09 GMT
#101
With regards to the IT role: are you picking the target for them, or does the IT choose one person and must stick with them?
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 15 2010 12:06 GMT
#131
clues always make the game more interesting, and I think it gets people to be more vocal. It's also easier to be lead astray by clues.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 17 2010 13:40 GMT
#272
On July 17 2010 19:41 XeliN wrote:
This game has finally started, been checking for ages. So no-one seems to have suggested any plan of action or srs business. In fact most of the chatter reads like the ramblings of a girls coffee morning.

I would put forward two suggestions, lynch the least active person (has it's weaknesses, specially as there is very little to talk about at this stage with no info to go on) or simply use a RNG to lynch someone and go from there.

I'd prefer the latter, everytime i've played and the town does an impulsive whim first lynch a townie always dies, using a RNG then just simply going from there seems a nice way to get over the fact we have barely anything to go on.


I agree with this...
This is the plan we should be following. However I must admit that I'm going go be inactive until tomorrow night since I'm away on vacation. No one should be casting votes yet. Everyone should be posting plans and begin talking about how the game and today's vote should be carried out. And please know that we are not going to gain any knowledge through today's vote so we may as well just understand that there's a very slim chance we will land a mafioso. The mafia members would be retarded to allow us to carry out a mafia lynch on day 1
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 17 2010 13:42 GMT
#273
Errr iPhone makes it hard to insert code. I prefer the former plan, not the latter
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 18 2010 15:53 GMT
#426
##vote: abstain.

Haven't read the thread and won't ve able to
Until later
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 18 2010 16:34 GMT
#433
###vote youngminii
if I have to trust someone I trust xelin. I'm going to follow his decisions till the end of the day at least.

Sorry got to the game early so I read some posts :D
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 18 2010 19:13 GMT
#450
On July 19 2010 02:27 Misder wrote:
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On July 19 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote:
###vote youngminii
if I have to trust someone I trust xelin. I'm going to follow his decisions till the end of the day at least.

Sorry got to the game early so I read some posts :D


Why exactly do you trust Xelin out of all the players here?

As for the hyperbola bandwagon: I didn't really mean to actually start the bandwagon xD I just pointed out that his posts don't provide substance at all, and his defense is very poor.

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On July 19 2010 02:06 Hyperbola wrote:
You seem pretty adamant about accusing me for like a quick post I made a while back.
Look dude, I'll spill the beans, my post against Sinequity wasn't serious. I still can't believe you haven't caught on to that by now. I accuse him for making a long post just for fun and I also didn't feel like abstaining. I also like being quiet and examining things behind the lines. What you're gonna crucify me every game for not posting often?
I'm keeping my vote on Sinequity as a placeholder, mmkay?

and I think this came a way too late. Why not say this when defending himself the first time? He's just asking to be lynched...



Got a break for a minute. In every game xelin plays the most levelheaded and I know his opinions have taken serious consideration. I know it someone is going to ve good to follow it's xelin or opz
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 19 2010 16:18 GMT
#518
Brownbear should be the next person on the chopping block. I hope he knows that posts like that aren't helping in any way. I feel like there's always 2-3 people in EVERY GAME that do this crap, like as though saying you're going to catchup and not put any effort in analysis just leaving those one-liner garbage posts is going to keep you safe from a modkill.

You should not be playing to avoid a modkill, or even to avoid being slightly considered as a lynch target. Unless there's some crazy night we should focus on BrownBear.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 20 2010 13:15 GMT
#690
Why is it that all of a sudden d3 claims he was protected and BrownBear becomes the official 'active' townie with all of this great insight.

Up until about 12 hours ago (last time I checked the thread) he was nowhere to be found, and now that 1 person gave him something to run with, he's invaded about 2/3's of the last 2 pages with nonsense analysis about d3. What's even worse is that he wants our "other" veteran to roleclaim.

ATTN OTHER VETERAN: DO NOT ROLECLAIM!!!!

The goal of the veteran, as stated numerous times, is to be the meatshield. His vote is only worth 1, regardless of how long he is left in the game. His job is to soak damage up from night kills. By outing our veterans, we are pretty much giving the mafia enough information to say "don't hit these players." I'm against that plan completely, and I'm against BrownBear.

Hopefully the DT's are working their magic from last night and getting in contact with the players they checked. The DT role is pretty black/white and very strong in this game, so we need to keep those guys alive. The DT's should form their own circles and use the players they checked as voice-boxes. The players who have been checked should, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, reveal to any other player who the DT is unless they are verified. The only way the DT circles should combine is if AND ONLY IF by chance a DT checks another DT. Please be smart about this guys.

I'm sticking with the opinion of the previous night to lynch the most useless player:

##Vote: BrownBear

I'll consider changing my vote if some of the more 'influential players' have a better suggestion.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 20 2010 16:11 GMT
#705
On July 21 2010 01:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:
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On July 20 2010 22:15 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Why is it that all of a sudden d3 claims he was protected and BrownBear becomes the official 'active' townie with all of this great insight.

Up until about 12 hours ago (last time I checked the thread) he was nowhere to be found, and now that 1 person gave him something to run with, he's invaded about 2/3's of the last 2 pages with nonsense analysis about d3. What's even worse is that he wants our "other" veteran to roleclaim.

ATTN OTHER VETERAN: DO NOT ROLECLAIM!!!!

The goal of the veteran, as stated numerous times, is to be the meatshield. His vote is only worth 1, regardless of how long he is left in the game. His job is to soak damage up from night kills. By outing our veterans, we are pretty much giving the mafia enough information to say "don't hit these players." I'm against that plan completely, and I'm against BrownBear.

Hopefully the DT's are working their magic from last night and getting in contact with the players they checked. The DT role is pretty black/white and very strong in this game, so we need to keep those guys alive. The DT's should form their own circles and use the players they checked as voice-boxes. The players who have been checked should, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, reveal to any other player who the DT is unless they are verified. The only way the DT circles should combine is if AND ONLY IF by chance a DT checks another DT. Please be smart about this guys.

I'm sticking with the opinion of the previous night to lynch the most useless player:

##Vote: BrownBear

I'll consider changing my vote if some of the more 'influential players' have a better suggestion.

-_-

You said everything I was about to say...Glad I read to end of thread. Another job interview today guys, but I should be back.

I also don't like BrownBear's plan.
##Vote:BrownBear

Dunno where this will lead, but I'm willing to change my vote.


wtf dude where you getting all these job interviews from? Share the love... I only have about 1 month left before I'm officially unemployed
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 20 2010 18:29 GMT
#720
On July 21 2010 03:21 Misder wrote:
I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen.

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On July 20 2010 10:09 citi.zen wrote:
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On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote:
On July 20 2010 09:25 Pandain wrote:
Hmm time passes too fast. As this is my first mafia game, I'm extra afraid I'm going to die. So in case I die, I'll live something that players can easily check on if they want to. It's the posts by each player in the game, in case a player wants to check up on something.

Tree.Hugger:
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740578
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5747605http://www.teamliqhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5749524uid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5749520http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5750215
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5752728
https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5754219[/url
post_id=5755140" target="_blank">http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755140

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5758069
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5761145


BrownBear
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5612556
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740359
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5740736
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755546
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755551
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5755555
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5756205


Oh god there are 600 posts. How could I be so stupid -.-. Unless people really want me to keep making these(which I'll of course do, gladly) I'll be doing it farily slowly.

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This was harder than I thought . Oh well.

You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen

I know you're not a bad player, so this attempt to cast doubts on me out of the blue strikes me as odd. Especially since you're grouping me with lakrismama - which makes zero sense, as you would know full well it if you were honestly searching for reds. Look at his posts:

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On July 18 2010 15:25 lakrismamma wrote:
On July 18 2010 12:03 citi.zen wrote:
A few comments on how I see the game going:

1. PMs are allowed so trust circles are the way to go. Sooner or later they will form because of Dt checks, medic protection, vet soaking up a hit when we know they are the lone vet, etc. When this happens we'll be in good shape.
2. BCs list is fine, but many people seem to miss its point entirely.
3. There is no roleblocker, but there is a suicide bomber. Be very careful with your circles. Speak through confirmed townies if possible.
4. We lynch an inactive and/or bad player day one. Hyperbola is a fine target. Bumatlarge is ok too, bringing grudges from prior games here can derail us for many pages.
5. I already voted for Darth, why is it not counted? I will likely change it, but still!


Good post!

Abstaining is stupid. Part of why suggesting voting for for inactive persons is to make that person become active to defend himself therefore we get more to read from and mafia cant hide in the inactives.

I think Hyperbola has defended himself pretty well.

##vote LaxerCannon

He is usually more active so get to it Laxer.


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On July 19 2010 03:46 lakrismamma wrote:
I think youngminii has a point. I think we should keep an eye on hyperbola and him but not lynch them.
DTA is probably just inactive town. But in that case we have no need for him either. So he is a decent alternative.

I will follow citizen though to create a third alternative.

##Unvote
##vote ketomai

Transparent much? No mafia, in any game that I have seen, risks showing this "support" towards each other on day 1. You know this. And you Sir are now looking very red.



Foolishness has been pointed out as having odd behavior. He may have been a future lynching target. Why would the mafia target someone who is suspicious of being red?


Because then it puts the finger-pointers in a position when players, such as yourself, go back and analyze the posts. This is actually a common ruse to cause the town to run around in circles as townies battle townies. It's not to say your analysis is invalid, but it could just be a breadcrumb trail to no-wheres-ville setup and managed by the mafia.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 20 2010 18:32 GMT
#721
IMO it's more likely that mafia would avoid killing a person that's drawing a lot of attention to a fellow mafia member than to just take out the threat. It raises less questions to make the attention shift from player w vs. player x to player y vs. player z
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 20 2010 21:27 GMT
#743
On July 21 2010 06:09 citi.zen wrote:
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On July 21 2010 05:56 DarthThienAn wrote:
On July 21 2010 05:51 Pandain wrote:
On July 21 2010 05:46 DarthThienAn wrote:

Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia.



Haha, you're right about that mistake. However, I thought it had been determined that D3 was also hit but protected by a medic. So they didn't stack their hits, one of their hits simply failed. And the more important thing is why would no one say that? Heck, I might say that. "Hey the mafia are doing pretty good." Just to be sure when I'm voting, please explain more.

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If Subversion IS mafia, i'm so going to kill myself.


There's the possibility that d3 is a mafia faking taking a hit. It's low chance, but not 0% so I didn't leave it out.

Other than that, he's either a veteran and/or got medic protection.

What do you mean? My thoughts: Mafia FAILED last night strategically. Subversion was NOT being sarcastic/joking (look at his post). So why would he say that? Furthermore, even if the mafia HAD failed, saying that "mafia aren't making too many mistakes" is an extremely odd statement to make. Sure, it's not the best lead, but it's better than me, and I'm willing to let BB redeem himself if he happens to be a terrible townie. Subversion, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be on the path to correction at all.

I don't know... I am leaning with Pandain here. Subversion is a brand new player who does not know what to expect in these games. I can see him think... "How do you catch mafia? You watch for mistakes! Have we caught any? Nope. Ah - so thus far they aren't making too many mistakes."

I see no huge red flag. That said, he does not strike me as someone useful for the town so I am OK losing him if there are no better candidates.


Subversion isn't that new. He played in BM's Harry Potter mafia, not sure if he's played in others... don't discount someones skill because they haven't played mafia on these boards before.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 20 2010 23:26 GMT
#763
guy. name changes aren't allowed for old dogs
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 20 2010 23:27 GMT
#764
On July 21 2010 08:20 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 02:23 citi.zen wrote:
Quick question for BM: did the mafia get to choose their GF in this game, or was is assigned by you?


they picked.

vote count:
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4] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, chaoser)
3] Brownbear (Divinek, amber, tricode)
3] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, misder, Pyrrhuloxia)
1] chaoser (pandain)
abstain] (brownbear)


im on my buddy's shitty ass comp with poor wireless, so if i missed any votes, or vote changes, pm me. i will definitely do more concise counting when i get home.


Opz voted BB too
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 21 2010 16:34 GMT
#857
Unvote BrownBear
##Vote: Subversion


Though I think BrownBear's analysis and plan is crappy, we can get more info is we lynch Subversion. Lynching BB just proves that we, as a town, aren't as organized as we would like to be. The Subversion discussion caught a lot of players, many more than the BB discussion. By determining Subversion's role we can pinpoint other key players who were pushing for and against the Subversion lynch. I'm willing to risk putting my name into the hat to get the town on a better path to victory. Depending on the flip, the DT's should try and look at key players involved in the Subversion dispute.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 21 2010 16:35 GMT
#858
*we can get more info if we lynch

hungover fml -_-
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 21 2010 18:16 GMT
#871
On July 22 2010 03:00 LaXerCannon wrote:
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On July 21 2010 19:16 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Now you may think that it is too obvious for the mafia to kill off someone who publicly calls them out. It's not. It's good strategy. In fact, I myself killed off Foolishness in a game I won because he was one of the few suspicious of me. If someone suspects you, they won't magically think you're innocent if you let them survive the night. People's heuristics for determining who they will vote for don't tend to shift too wildly over the course of a game. Even if people make a mistaken vote early, they will tend to justify it ex post facto and perhaps continue it (maybe what I'm doing here, but I think I have some good logic to back up my gut feeling). If you are mafia, and a member is getting 3rd/4th place in votes, even with just a couple, that member could be in 1st a few days later. By killing off the people who are suspicious of you, even if their reasons suck, you get talked about less and you literally shave off your vote total. It's not too bad of a strategy to just play whack-a-mole going after all your public detractors because you can always just say you're getting framed. I've been there, done that.


This post here, to me, was the most informative. I have never had the chance to play a red role before and such added perspective really helped me decide on a lynch target. I'm also quite intrigued by why DTA didn't die yet; he's a very strong player (not so much this game though) and should be a priority kill.

##vote: DarthThienAn


If we play the game with this logic then BC should have been killed already, but he's still alive.

Opz is still alive, he's a strong player too.

What about Roffles, he's incredibly cunning and plays the part of mafioso and townie very well.

Pyrr should have been killed based upon this logic as well.

Infun should have probably been a good target.

You're playing the game very counter-intuitively. You're insisting that strong players should die, not suspicious players. DTA is playing the Chezinu card, which is common play. There's always guaranteed to be one of those idiot players in the game. The host himself has played this card before in games...

I can't believe the people that are coming forward insisting that killing subversion will gain no knowledge. Killing DTA just verifies his play-style. We can actually tie a connection between DTA and Subversion as well as the people who are trying to avoid talking about DTA at all, or those who are supporting one lynch target over another.

I'm not going to sit here and say killing DTA is wrong, he is still a target due to his play-style this game, but he's going to give us less information than lynching Subversion. Do whatever you want but don't justify your lynch vote by saying DTA is a good player and I think other people's opinions are strong, so this must be a good choice. Sheep.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 21 2010 20:42 GMT
#889
Your plan is an easy-out for the Godfather as he can be checked as a veteran. We will have to check every player who claims as a vet, and when that happens and the town is organized, which will happen on day 5 or so, we will have to start lynching veterans until we spot the GF. That's really risky and doesn't put the veteran role to good use.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 22 2010 02:18 GMT
#1134
On July 22 2010 11:13 DarthThienAn wrote:
Wait Opz, why do you want to kill Amber?


Wat?

He never said he wanted to kill me.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 22 2010 02:26 GMT
#1145
On July 22 2010 11:22 ~OpZ~ wrote:
There seems to be enough of us online to change votes. I'm fine with BC or Tree.Hugger dying. BC's too deadly, and Tree.Hugger...well...He defended Darth in a bull shit no information and false information way, and jumped on Subversion with shitty logic. That is all.

AND he PM'd me, which is a no no. I only want PM's when I'm checked and saved.


I don't think lynching either is smart. BC is dangerous but he's also dangerous if he's town-aligned. Since we have a decent idea of who is siding with who with today's discussion we should stick with our original suspects and go for either DTA or Subversion at this point. Causing a last minute bandwagon will ruin the last 20+ pages as we gain absolutely no new knowledge.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 22 2010 04:14 GMT
#1280
On July 22 2010 13:12 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 13:11 SiNiquity wrote:
On July 22 2010 13:09 Pandain wrote:
On July 22 2010 13:08 SiNiquity wrote:
Missed mine for Chaoser


Haha! Holy shit. Mine WAS the deciding factor.


Na would've been 9-9 if you voted Chaoser, and DTA had more votes first. Still close tho. Anxious to see the flip.


No, because DTA would lose a vote and Chaoser would gain one.


That's correct, but DTA reached 9 before he reached 10, thus he reached 9 first...
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 22 2010 04:19 GMT
#1290
bravo guys! So who's next?
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 22 2010 04:29 GMT
#1304
On July 22 2010 13:28 youngminii wrote:
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On July 22 2010 13:25 tree.hugger wrote:
On July 22 2010 13:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
I regret nothing. Why the fuck did he fake blue?

Because he didn't.

Either Pyrr is a clever mafia, or a really really bad townie. I'm leaning towards the latter, and seeing as how we don't seem to want to kill the obvious mafia, can we take this one out next?

On July 22 2010 13:23 youngminii wrote:
So on the bright side, how credible am I as a townie ey?

You're not at all. And you never have been.

How the hell am I not. Can you keep up with the thread please? I backed hyperbola, I backed DTA and I put my reputation on the line for him. If you think that somehow doesn't buy me any credibility at all you're heavily mistaken.


It doesn't buy you any credibility.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 22 2010 12:16 GMT
#1390
On July 22 2010 16:27 Subversion wrote:
when is night??


[image loading]


If we just lynched you like how Day2 should have turned out this annoyance wouldn't be around anymore.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 22 2010 15:57 GMT
#1401
On July 23 2010 00:39 Subversion wrote:
Also, what do you mean "how day 2 was supposed to turn out" ? That sounds like it was some kind of orchestrated plan or something.

It actually sounds scummy as hell.


On July 22 2010 13:19 Bill Murray wrote:
[image loading]
The town was a tilting ship adrift in the perfect storm, rolling and toiling with its toll amidst a red cloud of chaos in the morning. There were many options for a lynch after the murder of Foolishness and his wife was framed into a murder-suicide, but three eventually emerged. The sky showed no sign of clearing as rain pelted down onto the cobblestone sidewalks and the asphalt of the crosswalks of the town. People deliberated for minutes, hours, and even days on end in some cases. They finally decided to lynch DarthThienAn who went out with not a bang, but a whimper.

[image loading]
DarthThienAn, Townie, lynched Day 2
It is now night
If you have night actions, feel free.


I guess the image and the closer text on BM's post wasn't clear enough.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 22 2010 17:42 GMT
#1403
Subversion was supposed to be lynched. His connections, the people who were supporting him and going against him, were much greater than DTA. Then you have to consider the Chaoser bandwagon from out of left field that caused a huge change in the vote counts.

DTA was playing a role that was so transparent he was guaranteeing his own safety from a mafia hit. Do you really think mafia would disrupt someone who's playing around or someone who's actually benefiting the town? DTA knew what he was up to and he was carefully treading around.

Did I suspect DTA? Yah of course I did, but this lynch didn't teach us a thing! Now we know that DTA was not mafia. Great. Now where do we stand on Day 3? No one has stepped up for a suggestion for a lynch based upon the information gained by killing DTA. There was a plan for killing Subversion. Regardless of his flip we had players that were so devoted to his death/safety.

I'm praying that the DT's made use of this lynch so we can pick out alignment. I feel like the DTA bandwagon was just a bunch of unsure townies who didn't want to be caught in the line of fire. The Subversion vote train was consistent for much of the last two days.

We're pretty much starting Day 2 again tomorrow.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 22 2010 18:08 GMT
#1407
On July 23 2010 03:04 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 02:42 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I'm praying that the DT's made use of this lynch so we can pick out alignment.


This should be apparent, but NOBODY SHOULD TELL MEDICS OR DTs WHAT TO DO IN THE THREAD. OR EVEN HINT AT IT. The suicide bomber is still out there.


That's why I'm glad we haven't. It's better for the DT's to (hopefully) be on top of their own jobs without us spewing "oh do this." If they feel that what they're doing is better than what's being suggested in the thread then that's fine. The game is relying on their diligence at this point and I've stated what I would expect from the DT's throughout much of the game.

This goes for the other blues as well.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 23 2010 10:57 GMT
#1652
silly ops.. read the last page
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 23 2010 10:58 GMT
#1653
ops... opz... my bad

##Vote: Double Lynch
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 23 2010 12:57 GMT
#1666
Oh now all of a sudden Subversion is a suspect again?
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 23 2010 17:11 GMT
#1694
On July 24 2010 01:50 SiNiquity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 01:38 citi.zen wrote:
It does confirm that either Tricode and BC are both red, or Triode is innocent. So it tells us more about Tricode than about BC at this time.

True. Though if Tricode were Mafia, it would give us 2 Mafia members immediately, which would be a wealth of information for us. It would be one hell of a Mafia gamble to fake all of this, as they would have to bank on us not lynching Tricode.


It's a dead end though. Once we lynch Tricode that only gives us a hint of who BC is, depending on the flip. BC will not be confirmed 100% from lynching Tricode, and then from there we don't have a lot of connections. BC wasn't really involved with much other than a few posts about the bandwagons and BrownBears plan.

I think we should just avoid them and go for players like Youngminii or Subversion.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 23 2010 17:12 GMT
#1696
oh and for now...

##unvote: Double Lynch
##vote: Abstain
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 23 2010 18:58 GMT
#1711
On July 24 2010 03:19 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 18:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 23 2010 17:59 youngminii wrote:
Wait so you hit him for the sake of your own personal desire to one day kill BC? If this is true I'd so totally ban you right now if this were my game.


read aces mafia world.

Fishball did it to me that game knowing full well nothign was gained in killing me but personal satisfaction. You may not like the reason but tricode has openly said he'd kill me from the getgo for many many games lol.


Shut up, I was Mafia that game, not a Vigi.
Killing you (town) was one stone ten birds (one townie bird, nine-self-satisfaction birds).


You are not in this town! We have strict anti-immigration laws!
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 24 2010 19:04 GMT
#1922
On July 25 2010 03:52 SouthRawrea wrote:
So far I've been trying to slip under the radar so I don't get lynched early on or killed at night. I've actually only placed one bomb thus far as I was a little hesitant to kill place two people at risk even if I suspect them. My only one at the moment is on chaoser but that was placed yesterday after seeing that he didn't get lynched. I decided to abstain from placing a second bomb because of the first vote placed on me by Bumat... I felt threatened. :/

## Vote Citizen for now


A challenger approaches?

Citizen care to comment?
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 24 2010 19:52 GMT
#1937
On July 25 2010 04:40 SiNiquity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 04:27 chaoser wrote:
On July 25 2010 04:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Well the excrement has hit the air conditioning.

I need to think about this.

I'm actually not sure if the correct play is to lynch South here.


If he IS bomber like he says he is, it'll just be me and him dying. That gives a lot of information against me/him such as those who where making a strong case against me/people who ADMITTEDLY jumped on him. If he's mafia, we just killed a mafia, good job, we still can't 100% trust citi.zen since it could be a ploy to sac one mafia to make the other one more trusted. Not saying that I don't trust you citi.zen, I'm just saying that's a possibility.

Furthermore if Citi.zen is Infested Terran, the sac is worth it. He's a strong player who could argue for the other person to get lynched first if there's a counter-claim, hopefully get the DT circles before then, and then go out with a bang the next night.

On the other hand, if Southrawrea is Mafia, then the reason Mafia could've sent out a "weak" player is that he's the only one that hasn't replied since Citi.zen claimed. I did my list from Tricode, I'd have to make another since Citi.zen claimed.


That's not true and you can't base any analysis on this hunch...
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 24 2010 21:50 GMT
#1980
On July 25 2010 06:17 zeks wrote:
#vote SouthRawrea

Mafia is essentially against a wall so they pushed their most inactive member out to die



lol wut?

How on earth do you figure that? The past three days must have been hilarious for them to watch. We have more chickens with their heads cut off and we're trying to lynch them all.

I'm trying to figure out the best possible way to go about this. Lynching citizen vs. SR seems to be a double-edged sword. One of them is the hatter, the other is a mafia. If we hit a mafia then we have gotten that much closer to winning, but what do we gain? A guaranteed hatter that we will need to baby for the rest of the game...

I'm trying to think of the future here. If Citizen is the hatter then he is probably going to be a (juicy) suicide target. That means that his two bombs (He threw two right?) will go off. He hasn't said who he has them on, so we as a town can't tell him where they should move.

If SR is the hatter then we only have to worry about moving one bomb to a "mafia." This actually (sorta) secures SR and the mafia players safety as it would require them to use a night kill or suicide bomb, which there is less incentive imo.

Assuming SR is legit I'll support him. There's less risk in keeping him alive, assuming citi.zen laid two bombs, and assuming he's the hatter.

And if the person we lynch is the hatter the next person is on the stands tomorrow anyway.

vote: citi.zen
vote: double lynch
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 24 2010 23:40 GMT
#2129
If 2 DT's checked him why doesn't each DT tell another confirmed player to verify?

"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 24 2010 23:54 GMT
#2152
What exactly are the chances that a mafia member can guess someone is a mad hatter so easily anyway? That's pretty random imo

Were citi.zen's tells that simple to the mafia?
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 25 2010 01:07 GMT
#2241
On July 25 2010 10:06 SouthRawrea wrote:
Thank you for your cooperation, see you guys next day. Anyone in particular I should place a bomb on? I've already got a candidate in mind at this time but just for the future...


that shouldn't be discussed at this time. Wait for the night post at least...
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 25 2010 01:41 GMT
#2315
On July 25 2010 10:37 youngminii wrote:
This is exactly how the mafia would react in this given situation: Kill of citi.zen then have everyone back out into a corner and defend themselves like chaoser is doing right now.

No, you will not be spared. Also, I like my hit list and I will keep it that way. Also, if citi.zen is telling the truth and SouthRawr is not, then Tricode is almost definitely also telling the truth, hence Tricode should not be on the list.

BC
SouthRawrea
Chaoser
Infundibuxdlgxcubum
Pandain (Claimed DT)
Amber[Light] (Pandain claimed to have checkd him)
Tree.hugger (moved tree.hugger to the bottom 'cause it's likely he's just bad town)


You might want to go back to your DT lol
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 25 2010 01:55 GMT
#2332
On July 25 2010 10:51 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 10:49 Pandain wrote:
On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:
On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:
On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:
On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:
On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:

'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it.


On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:
Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit. In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list?


On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:

Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum.


Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!"
Read, think,evaluate.
Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans.

No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that.


No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in.

And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT".

I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man.

If anything your going to ruin it.

Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc.


Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again.

I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF.

Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!"

There. Any more questions?

Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.-

If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness.

And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes.


I can't believe you're actually going to roll with this mysterious DT like you aren't getting away with anything.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 25 2010 13:50 GMT
#2405
On July 25 2010 18:09 d3_crescentia wrote:
What the fuck is this shit. We should have lynched either Tricode or BC today, because we have no idea if BC is confirmed town, and then all of this shit happened. In fact given the amount of misinformation that's flying around in this thread it can become unmanageable and frustrating to try and figure things out right away.

Claims that need to be resolved:
- BC/Tricode
- zeks/Southrawrea
- Pandain/Amber[Light]/youngminii

Since we have three claimants (Tricode/South/zeks) then we need to avoid overlapping kills if it so happens we have two bombers. Since zeks has claimed to have bombs on BC/South, South should put his remaining bomb on Tricode (chaoser?? what even makes you think he's a THREAT, for fucks sake). We then lynch both of them. I'd rather all of the above die and have our DTs check other targets rather than waste any more time trying to figure these things out.

Yes, I realize that this 1-for-3 trade is terrible. I don't really give a shit, though, because it's time to play hardball.

Something is especially not right here, considering citizen's claims that he was also DT checked. But then if our claimant checked Amber and young, when could they have checked citizen? I don't like this.



On July 25 2010 10:41 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 10:37 youngminii wrote:
This is exactly how the mafia would react in this given situation: Kill of citi.zen then have everyone back out into a corner and defend themselves like chaoser is doing right now.

No, you will not be spared. Also, I like my hit list and I will keep it that way. Also, if citi.zen is telling the truth and SouthRawr is not, then Tricode is almost definitely also telling the truth, hence Tricode should not be on the list.

BC
SouthRawrea
Chaoser
Infundibuxdlgxcubum
Pandain (Claimed DT)
Amber[Light] (Pandain claimed to have checkd him)
Tree.hugger (moved tree.hugger to the bottom 'cause it's likely he's just bad town)


You might want to go back to your DT lol



On July 25 2010 10:55 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 10:51 youngminii wrote:
On July 25 2010 10:49 Pandain wrote:
On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:
On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:
On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:
On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:
On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:

'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it.


On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:
Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit. In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list?


On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:

Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum.


Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!"
Read, think,evaluate.
Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans.

No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that.


No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in.

And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT".

I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man.

If anything your going to ruin it.

Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc.


Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again.

I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF.

Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!"

There. Any more questions?

Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.-

If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness.

And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes.


I can't believe you're actually going to roll with this mysterious DT like you aren't getting away with anything.



I'm actually praying I get killed tonight so either the town or YM can take proper action.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 25 2010 14:01 GMT
#2411
YM it would actually be a really good idea for you to give out your "DT." I know you think I'm scum, but the numbers don't add up. There's no possible way I could have been checked if three people + citi.zen were checked...

I can't find the post where someone listed everyone who claimed already. Think about it dude... either you are making some outrageous claim against me, or your DT is shady.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 26 2010 12:16 GMT
#2719
Typically in a mafia game there's more indians than cheifs... in this game it would appear everyone is a god damned decorated war hero. -_-

I don't know what to do anymore. Reading the last 5 pages told me close to nothing. I'm still confused and I'm nervous about taking out BC.

For now (I'll be back)

vote: abstain x2
vote: double lynch
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 27 2010 04:48 GMT
#2791
On July 27 2010 13:43 zeks wrote:
lined up 3 hours got collectors edition!!!!!!!!!!

why do i suddenly not feel like playing anymore

jk

lol rly? I got there 10 mins before midnight and just waltzed in

so excited to play
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 27 2010 12:25 GMT
#2806
On July 27 2010 18:10 Bill Murray wrote:
Can everyone try to PM someone to replace?


Why don't you pass the ability to another player if he's blue? And if he's red give us a pity suicide or something lol
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 28 2010 12:43 GMT
#2931
They should if I'm reading the rules correctly.

Very well played BC...Can't believe I (once again) bought into your lie.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 28 2010 18:02 GMT
#2950
Never said a word to me...
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 29 2010 14:22 GMT
#3151
We should have our vets claim like Brownbear wanted lolol

Sorry guys fixing connection issues for the past 24 hours :/... not having fun.

Reading through the posts during the day now... will vote soon
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 29 2010 14:25 GMT
#3152
Also I'm not asking this to ruffle feathers... but Tree.Hugger... why have you been so quiet? During Day2/3 you were PMing Infun and myself telling us both how to vote, and if I recall, your vote choices were both pro-town players. Did you just give up on the fight? What happened?
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 29 2010 14:27 GMT
#3154
For now:

Vote: Tree.Hugger & Pandain
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 29 2010 21:13 GMT
#3192
On July 30 2010 05:14 BrownBear wrote:
Ahhhh wtf, where did my post go. Formatting fail.
Here's my post, I buried it in the quotes ><

Actually that's a better plan, lol.

OFC, once one vet claims we should have the other claim as well. This will help prevent mafia fakeclaiming vet (which they will, i expect). So if a mafia fakeclaims, both vets will step up and say "I'm vet" and we know we have one mafia caught.

Is that acceptable?


lol like claiming for the mad hatter/vigilante? It'll take us at least two more days to confirm these players.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 30 2010 14:24 GMT
#3233
On July 30 2010 23:22 Divinek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2010 10:16 BrownBear wrote:
On July 30 2010 08:27 Divinek wrote:
On July 30 2010 01:33 BrownBear wrote:
Jesus, divinek, let a man defend himself. You're just shouting him down and demanding he must die. That's pretty damn scummy to me.

##Vote Pandain
##Vote: Divinek


why would i let someone who fucking dt checked red defend themselves

it is an unproductive waste of towns time
you look scummy to me bro

i also already claimed vet so if you're voting for me without any evidence that im not a vet you're bad bro



I must have missed that, where did you claim?

Also, no. Under no circumstances should anyone be ignored if they want to defend themselves. Your narrow-mindedness is part of the reason town's doing as poorly as they are, and it's really getting on my nerves.


yeah we should have let BC defend himself for the full 48 hours so he could have swayed your vote off plus others rofl

narrow minded fuck you he checked red, you're getting on my nerves


Sadly he would have succeeded in swaying votes if we let him... again.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
August 01 2010 18:43 GMT
#3303
aw wtf I'm dead?
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
August 05 2010 00:14 GMT
#3721
Lesson learned: Pyrr should always die first.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
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