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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 31 2010 06:01 GMT
#3261
So we lynched Tree.Hugger.... why? All I heard was that he was supposedly inactive (lynching based on that this late is usually a mafia tell, though I read this from supposedly confirmed townies). Chaoser and Misder are both more inactive. I asked for other reasons and no one said shit other than brown bear vaguely saying that tree.hugger seems scummy.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 31 2010 22:20 GMT
#3267
On July 31 2010 23:12 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 10:23 Divinek wrote:
updated hit list

those are the only people that dont have any sort of real evidence to prove that they're town, 50% chance we hit a mafia in theory if none of the other people are lying about their claims, though really d3 should probably be on this list

2. brownbear
4. chaoser
9. ~OpZ~
11. Misder
12. Pyrrholuxia
14. protactinium

...Actually...How about this

BrownBear and Chaoser were defended and protected enormously by everyone. Need votelist compiled again....-_-

I really wish day posts and lynchs were linked to the first page....

Anyway, with knowledge of brownbear and chaoser being defended by players and almost lynched, here's what whoever feels like looking at the lists needs to do.

Pandain and Tree.Hugger were town. So. Look at those that Voted for Chaoser and BrownBear. See if BC, Xelin, or South voted for any of them (Maybe not BC, because...well BC mind fucks people). That should possibly exonerate them mildly from suspicion if they are town.

Pyrr....Yea...He's been...Where? Doing what? Saying a lot of shit, without saying shit. I remember a good post directed at someone (DTA I believe, but DTA was town). And where the hell did he disappear to then?

Misder? I don't recall ANYTHING from him.
Protactinium....I remember a few posts.....But nothing worth noting....

All BC, South, and Xe...wait I did Xelin's myself....Okay, BC and Souths posts ought to be anaylzed thoroughly for references to anyone. I believe he criticized Pyrr...But that....again....Is BC.....

What do you mean where have I been? I've been posting the whole time. Took like a twelve hour break one day to save a cow's life. Other than that I've been trying to get town to make smart lynches and stop doing stupid things like whine about my inactivity when it's not existent and tree.hugger's "suspicious" "inactivity" when he had posted one page back. Meanwhile, seems like Chaoser and Misder are more inactive and Misder also seems to have more going against him than that.

I don't see how you can justify calling my posts "saying a lot of shit, without saying shit." I put my thoughts out in the thread for everyone to see and came to a definite conclusion that I recommended to others. Compare that to this post of yours that I am quoting, where you put out some decent ideas but don't try to make a definite plan out of it. Now our next lynch isn't for over 48 hours so it is fine that you aren't wrapping things up yet.

We are in the end game, though, so it is way too late to be basing lynches on inactivity or wishy-washy posting. We have three dead mafia so we should be looking at their interactions directly and indirectly with the living as we both have been trying to do.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 01 2010 00:46 GMT
#3272
On August 01 2010 09:44 chaoser wrote:
I find it strange that pyrr still isn't dead yet even though he's a pretty big name...hmmmm

well at this point there are so many people presumed innocent that the mafia will have to focus on all of them.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 01 2010 02:35 GMT
#3280
On August 01 2010 11:29 Divinek wrote:
okay remaining player list

5. chaoser
6. divinek
11. rastaban
16. ~OpZ~
23. d3_crescentia
24. Misder
26. Pyrrholuxia
27. Tricode
29. protactinium

based on actual evidence to me it goes down to this

5. chaoser
11. rastaban
16. ~OpZ~
24. Misder
26. Pyrrholuxia
29. protactinium

then based on feelings and surface ideas based on what has happened so far it comes down to this


16. ~OpZ~
26. Pyrrholuxia
29. protactinium

sorry that chaoser and rasta arent on my final idea young! but this isnt my sure fire i think these are mafia list, it's just the people that seem most plausable to be red at this point, to me and im sure this list can be off, but i feel quite QUITE strongly there is at least 1 red in there, if not 2.

it'd be nice to have people who were eliminated from the original list (ie d3 and tricode) to put their input on this. Don't worry ill back up my narrowing with actual evidence since we have a whopping 48 hours to do nothing but talk

uhhh BrownBear is alive.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 01 2010 02:40 GMT
#3281
I still think Misder and BC were working together. Even if he is town, he says he's gonna be mostly gone which gives town one less vote. Also, if Misder's red it was BrownBear's switch that saved him.

#vote Misder
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 01 2010 02:53 GMT
#3284
On August 01 2010 11:51 Divinek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2010 11:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
I still think Misder and BC were working together. Even if he is town, he says he's gonna be mostly gone which gives town one less vote. Also, if Misder's red it was BrownBear's switch that saved him.

#vote Misder


why do you think they were working together? do you have tangible proof and stuffs of this because it would be nice to see.

I think what you're saying has been mentioned before but it'd be nice to see the actual posts explaining it

see bottom of page 159 top of page 160
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 01 2010 06:37 GMT
#3292
On August 01 2010 14:32 Tricode wrote:
##Vote Rastaban

He knew BC was going to die so I think he just added crap to keep him/her self alive and suspicion off him as if he/she were a good towny and made a lame ass fake post with fake messages.

The writing just doesn't seem like BC from how long I have known him. They lack his intellectual language and there are just some things I just never seen him write.

Though there is still a chance i could be wrong about this, either case I believe those pm's are fake and the time in which he tried to help get BC killed didn't really do much of a push to get BC killed.

If they are on a mafia team together I would think BC would have wrote up fake PMs for him. And BC could always have wrote weirdly so this seems wifom to me. They seemed like BC to me, so I dunno.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 02 2010 03:56 GMT
#3335
On August 02 2010 07:44 Divinek wrote:
i still find it very interesting how sub died

cause the only people that knew about him were pandain, and proct (i still hate you for telling people you didnt confirm sub). Though i suppose pandain probably slipped up enough info to make it obvious who the dt was, aya.

and pandain flipped town and proct was never actually checked. Though it took subversion what a whole extra night after he was discovered to die?

surprisingly this doesnt make me that much more suspicious of proct really, it just makes me want to pray sub doesnt get dt again

quiiiite interesting.

Sub claimed blue in thread to avoid lynch so I'm sure mafia would go after him unless they thought he might be veteran.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 02 2010 04:00 GMT
#3336
On August 02 2010 08:19 Divinek wrote:
I think an interesting thing for people to go back an analyze with their own sets of logic

is at the point where BB suggests for the vets to claim, with the idea in mind that the GF himself was using a vet cover.

i think this should clear BB, or im hoping the mob didnt read into it deeply enough to try a move like that, but more so the people that opposed the idea of vets claiming who are still alive. You can obviously see BC opposing this idea (even though it is a reasonable idea to oppose, it is extra pertinent for the mob as this is their GF's cover)

and i couldnt see a mob member so strongly pushing for this idea if he knew his own GF had this role, or at least i hope not

i dont think there is much to be had out from this early idea than taking a clearer look at bb's alignment but it is always helpful to narrow down that list
it's around page 36 for you lazy dudes

also a fun person to put under the spotlight will be pyrr!
never been in danger of dying yet...for good reason or not?


I think this does make BB look innocent - no reason for mafia to have a public debate over this. When I criticized BB over his plan I was thinking from the perspective of the end game where we want mafia to waste hits on veterans. I suppose even then the plan could have been part of a ploy to out the veterans and avoid hitting them but if this was the mafia's plan they would have used their most persuasive player to do it (BC) rather than putting him against it.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 02 2010 04:23 GMT
#3340
On August 02 2010 13:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 08:19 Divinek wrote:
I think an interesting thing for people to go back an analyze with their own sets of logic

is at the point where BB suggests for the vets to claim, with the idea in mind that the GF himself was using a vet cover.

i think this should clear BB, or im hoping the mob didnt read into it deeply enough to try a move like that, but more so the people that opposed the idea of vets claiming who are still alive. You can obviously see BC opposing this idea (even though it is a reasonable idea to oppose, it is extra pertinent for the mob as this is their GF's cover)

and i couldnt see a mob member so strongly pushing for this idea if he knew his own GF had this role, or at least i hope not

i dont think there is much to be had out from this early idea than taking a clearer look at bb's alignment but it is always helpful to narrow down that list
it's around page 36 for you lazy dudes

also a fun person to put under the spotlight will be pyrr!
never been in danger of dying yet...for good reason or not?


No....BC would of PUSHED for Vets to claim. Because he would of been DT checked as Vet...And he would be the one more likely to be DT checked...Lol

Well BC would have had to try to fight against the plan and have his plan fail, otherwise the suspicion that he was GF would be too high Wifom, so just my opinion. If BC had done that, I'd be suspicious because I know BC but that's how I would assume BC would handle that plan / situtation.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 02 2010 04:25 GMT
#3341
On August 02 2010 13:20 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 13:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On August 02 2010 08:19 Divinek wrote:
I think an interesting thing for people to go back an analyze with their own sets of logic

is at the point where BB suggests for the vets to claim, with the idea in mind that the GF himself was using a vet cover.

i think this should clear BB, or im hoping the mob didnt read into it deeply enough to try a move like that, but more so the people that opposed the idea of vets claiming who are still alive. You can obviously see BC opposing this idea (even though it is a reasonable idea to oppose, it is extra pertinent for the mob as this is their GF's cover)

and i couldnt see a mob member so strongly pushing for this idea if he knew his own GF had this role, or at least i hope not

i dont think there is much to be had out from this early idea than taking a clearer look at bb's alignment but it is always helpful to narrow down that list
it's around page 36 for you lazy dudes

also a fun person to put under the spotlight will be pyrr!
never been in danger of dying yet...for good reason or not?


I think this does make BB look innocent - no reason for mafia to have a public debate over this. When I criticized BB over his plan I was thinking from the perspective of the end game where we want mafia to waste hits on veterans. I suppose even then the plan could have been part of a ploy to out the veterans and avoid hitting them but if this was the mafia's plan they would have used their most persuasive player to do it (BC) rather than putting him against it.

No....BrownBear can be pretty influential.

Your idea here is crappy. And probably going to get me to vote for you.

Here is the issue. BC would not pursue this plan because he had himself appearing to be a veteran. So him making that plan would be kind of fail. BrownBear is actually a regular at this game and is a lot better of a player than he has been this game....

I don't trust you, and you are making someone who sat near death look innocent. I'm finding the votes now, I finally got Firefox running on the desktop.

Are you responding mostly to me or divinek here? I do agree that BC would probably not pursue this plan; my thoughts the last few posts have been about "IF BC did this how would he do it?"
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 02 2010 04:35 GMT
#3344
I think OpZ and I have both got confused here. OpZ, you said BC would have pushed for vets to claim and then said "BC would not pursue this plan" so maybe we are discussing different "plans" here. I also said BC would handle the persuasion but then said he wouldn't push for the plan since it would bring suspicion upon him, which is contradictory I realize now. Anyway I think this is somewhat of a distraction since it is about BB who is claiming to be confirmed town and I don't think any of the circle have refuted this. So I'll move on unless opz wants to discuss it further.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 02 2010 04:41 GMT
#3346
On August 02 2010 13:35 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 13:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On August 02 2010 13:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On August 02 2010 08:19 Divinek wrote:
I think an interesting thing for people to go back an analyze with their own sets of logic

is at the point where BB suggests for the vets to claim, with the idea in mind that the GF himself was using a vet cover.

i think this should clear BB, or im hoping the mob didnt read into it deeply enough to try a move like that, but more so the people that opposed the idea of vets claiming who are still alive. You can obviously see BC opposing this idea (even though it is a reasonable idea to oppose, it is extra pertinent for the mob as this is their GF's cover)

and i couldnt see a mob member so strongly pushing for this idea if he knew his own GF had this role, or at least i hope not

i dont think there is much to be had out from this early idea than taking a clearer look at bb's alignment but it is always helpful to narrow down that list
it's around page 36 for you lazy dudes

also a fun person to put under the spotlight will be pyrr!
never been in danger of dying yet...for good reason or not?


No....BC would of PUSHED for Vets to claim. Because he would of been DT checked as Vet...And he would be the one more likely to be DT checked...Lol

Well BC would have had to try to fight against the plan and have his plan fail, otherwise the suspicion that he was GF would be too high Wifom, so just my opinion. If BC had done that, I'd be suspicious because I know BC but that's how I would assume BC would handle that plan / situtation.

I was responding to you. And for knowing BC so well, you seemed to of failed at catching him as GF.

Analyze me Pyrr. I don't have THAT many posts. So please, do something benificial to the town. I'd really prefer you do BrownBear, seeing as you think he's town aligned. Him or Chaoser.

Well was BB checked by a DT or not? I saw he posted himself as "confirmed townie" but maybe he just meant from his point of view he is a confirmed townie.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 02 2010 04:51 GMT
#3347
On August 02 2010 13:35 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 13:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On August 02 2010 13:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On August 02 2010 08:19 Divinek wrote:
I think an interesting thing for people to go back an analyze with their own sets of logic

is at the point where BB suggests for the vets to claim, with the idea in mind that the GF himself was using a vet cover.

i think this should clear BB, or im hoping the mob didnt read into it deeply enough to try a move like that, but more so the people that opposed the idea of vets claiming who are still alive. You can obviously see BC opposing this idea (even though it is a reasonable idea to oppose, it is extra pertinent for the mob as this is their GF's cover)

and i couldnt see a mob member so strongly pushing for this idea if he knew his own GF had this role, or at least i hope not

i dont think there is much to be had out from this early idea than taking a clearer look at bb's alignment but it is always helpful to narrow down that list
it's around page 36 for you lazy dudes

also a fun person to put under the spotlight will be pyrr!
never been in danger of dying yet...for good reason or not?


No....BC would of PUSHED for Vets to claim. Because he would of been DT checked as Vet...And he would be the one more likely to be DT checked...Lol

Well BC would have had to try to fight against the plan and have his plan fail, otherwise the suspicion that he was GF would be too high Wifom, so just my opinion. If BC had done that, I'd be suspicious because I know BC but that's how I would assume BC would handle that plan / situtation.

I was responding to you. And for knowing BC so well, you seemed to of failed at catching him as GF.

Analyze me Pyrr. I don't have THAT many posts. So please, do something benificial to the town. I'd really prefer you do BrownBear, seeing as you think he's town aligned. Him or Chaoser.

Went pretty well against BC and Xelin so that seems pretty innocent although you yourself said BC was bussed and Xelin was gonna die soon anyways since he turned out to be suicide bomber. Haven't gone through half of your posts since I am watching Stork but that is my first impression.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 02 2010 05:02 GMT
#3348
On August 02 2010 13:38 Tricode wrote:
Note: Rastaban hasn't posted since pg. 161 and to add the only posts he makes are all about Tree.Hugger.

Lol just read that post I must have skipped over it before. This was some pretty good analysis by him; no one should have voted tree.hugger after reading this. Why did you vote Tree.Hugger, OpZ?
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 02 2010 05:32 GMT
#3361
On August 02 2010 14:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Why did you vote for Citizen?

I thought it was more likely that citi.zen was the fake claimer and I liked tree.hugger analysis. Then when it was revealed he was lying it seemed even more shady to me.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 02 2010 05:36 GMT
#3363
Out of 3 reds we have two on citizen and one on SR. So how do you get so full blown sure the rest of the mafia voted citizen? The mafia can sit back and change their vote whenever they want and we already know one voted to bus that day. I still think the mutual support between Misder / BC is the best case.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 02 2010 05:46 GMT
#3365
On August 02 2010 14:33 BrownBear wrote:
I don't see the pyrr/me connection. When did that happen?

We both voted for citi.zen. Also divinek and I commented that you seemed innocent for calling for the veteran claim plan when BC was a gf hiding as veteran.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 02 2010 20:41 GMT
#3385
On August 03 2010 02:10 Misder wrote:
I never had any specific connection to BC. The only thing I can recall is BC claiming that I was townie, but he also did that with zeks the Mad Hatter. Then I didn't want to vote BC on Day 4, but I wasn't the only one tricked by him + I voted for SouthRawrea the mafia.


You made a post recounting almost everything Foolishness said, leaving out his suspicions and ultimate vote for BC. Plus you didn't vote for him Day 4. Plus BC tried to establish you and zeks as innocent, except (unlike Zeks) people had a lot of reasons to be suspicious of you already and called out BC for calling you likely green.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 02 2010 20:51 GMT
#3390
On August 03 2010 05:45 Protactinium wrote:
At least there are more pages to read now.

I'm typing up one of my long posts, and it's going to take me an hour or two...

For now though, I'm going to

##Vote: Pyrrhuloxia

I'm somewhat baffled that he has stayed alive this long. Through this game Mafia have wanted to kill big names early on to prevent town unity. The fact that Pyrrhuloxia remains alive is thus slightly intriguing, but it could be another layer of WiFOM.

However, please do note that I am suspicious of Chaoser. He posted more than 24 hours saying he would be back, and if he's on the east coast it's almost 5:00 p.m. I just don't want to vote for him now since that'd place him very close to majority.

Typing longer post.

You gotta be kidding me. How would killing me help prevent town unity? We have confirmed townies laying around that the mafia HAVE to kill first. Not to mention that many of the remaining players have never played a game with me before (yourself included, I think?). Look at how many blues are dead - it's clear their priorities were blue sniping over names. And then they HAVE to kill off circle people and confirmed townies so they have people like me who can recieve votes. It is absolutely WiFOM and you even admit this so why vote over something "slightly intriguing."

I guess I better look over Chaoser since y'all are totally ignoring Misder somehow.
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