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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
1] Pyrrhuloxia (Misder) 1] zeks (pandain) Abstain: Siniquity BrownBear Pyrrhuloxia Protactinium zeks Amber[LighT] ~OpZ~ Double Lynch: Siniquity BrownBear Pyrrhuloxia Protactinium zeks Amber[LighT] ~OpZ~ With 25 left, it takes 13 for majority (which would end the day), or to pass a double lynch for the next day. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
still seeking 1 replacement for LaXerCannon | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
STOP VOTING DOUBLE LYNCH UNLESS WE HAVE GOOD CANDIDATES TO DO IT WITH; OTHERWISE WE JUST END UP KILLING OURSELVES FASTER ##vote: Tricode ##vote: infundibulum all of the votes from yesterday's for double and today's for double should seriously be considered and reanalyzed, because we are just wasting our time here and will (likely) waste our lynches unless we get some real analysis going | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
The Two Votes As we all know, on Day 1, youngminii and Hyperbola were both on the shopping block. At the crucial moment of 9:16, the last vote of the night, Subversion pipes in with a: Subversion Korea (South). July 19 2010 09:16. Posts 732 PM Profile Blog Report Quote # ##Vote: Hyperbola Not really convinced by him, and there's not really any other clear choice for me right now. and casts the deciding vote. This vote pushed Hyperbola to 6, keeping youngminii (at 5), safe from death. As we've later found out, Hyperbola was green. This action came under scrutiny from a number of people: SiNiquity: Subversion Votes for Hyperbola with a one liner as night approaches, 45 minutes before the deadline. The vote was previously tied at 5-5. There wasn't a vote count with the Jayme mistake in it, as Jayme voted in between the Last Non-Final Vote Count (4.5 hours before deadline) and the Final Vote Count. It could be a freak coincidence, and had it been left at tied Hyperbola would've won, as he achieved more votes first. But maybe it was too close for comfort, as it was 7 - 5 before two people unvoted Hyperbole. Who's to say another wouldn't have jumped ship? Putting it 6-5 made it more secure. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=27#538 tree.hugger: Now, that's not a reason, and furthermore, that's a lie. There's at least one other choice that's close, and several others getting votes. This vote is highly influential, but nobody really caught onto it at the time. But if youngminii is mafia, then that's a direct implication of subversion as well. Curious-er and curious-er. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=30#588 and of course, me: Also, I'm going to put in my vote for Subversion. So far I don't know how I feel about BrownBear. At first I wanted to vote him. He's been playing badly and didn't do anything day one. But then at the same time people jumped all over voting for him in the beginning until just recently when people switched to Subversion, or at least it feels like that. Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left. ##vote Subversion http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=37#740 And so with these critisims on him, we moved onto day two where him and BrownBear topped out the votes early in the day. Both at about 5 a piece, the pressure was building on. Then it happened, Pandain starts a case against me and Prry starts a case against DTA. BTW, at this moment, I am not saying that they are both mafia scum. Pandain I don't really think is and is just townie and Prry I don't know yet. Either way, it's not the cases that I'm suspicious about, it's the very very quick voting afterwards. I immediately get 2 votes off youngminii and SouthRawrea. Right after Prry's statement, DTA gets THREE votes in about half an hour, from XeLin, zeks, and Subversion. This whole thing moved the voting off two people into three and finally, at the end of that day, DTA got killed. If you've read my post about voting patterns, you'll see that near the end of that voting process Subversion was "safe", his votes actually FELL off him in hot butter and in the end he was no where close to danger, being at 6 and then jumping up to 8. You can say, but chaoser, what about you? you were also safe! And I will say, yes, I didn't die, but I wasn't safe. I was on top of that vote list back and forth with DTA and due to votelists from everyone that confused me to no end, I actually thought I was dead by end of day. Subversion, on the other hand, was on the top for a only 7 MINUTES before falling down down down. now, from all this, you can't 100% say Subversion is mafia and some people have said it's coincidence. But things start to be less of a coincidence and more of a trend once it happens more than once don't you think? Also, notice that now youngminii and Subversion are TIED to each other. Sub saved youngminii's ass Day 1, youngminii pushed VERY hard for me to die and that saved Subversion Day 2. At the very least, these incidents over the last two days ties them very very much together. The next part is about the two things he's said that sound OFF | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
At the beginning of Day 2, Subversion makes an observation which tree.hugger picks up almost immediately: On July 20 2010 14:03 tree.hugger wrote: Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I have never, ever seen a townie say something like this. So narcissistic you had to complement yourself? GG. People later come to his defense saying's it's bad townie play. Is it though? Or is it bad mafia play? Either way, it's the main reason he gets voted on that day. Now, after the day ended, I started to play him less of mine until he pulls out another statement: On July 23 2010 12:51 Subversion wrote: so excited to see who died. even tho i really think it might be me, lolz. Let me ask you, Who? would be excited about people dying? He didn't say he's interested or that he's waiting for it or that he wants to see what happens in the Night, no he's EXCITED about seeing who dies. I point this out with: chaoser United States. July 23 2010 12:58. Posts 765 PM Profile Quote Edit # On July 23 2010 12:51 Subversion wrote: so excited to see who died. even tho i really think it might be me, lolz. what a scummy thing to say... and I get jumped on by youngminii and Pandain. Saying something scummy one time, OK, I can buy that you're just newbie and did it. But when you do it twice, I'mma take notice. Am I the only one who thinks what he says the second time is scummy? I was interested in the Night Post too cause that's more information, but I don't think I'd ever phrase my interest as "I'm excited to see who died" | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
When he first hinted blue, my suspicions fell off him. And then he soft claimed it and now apparently he's hard claimed in. Now I ask, if mafia had a CONFIRMED blue, why didn't they hit him? His claim of blue brought him back from the edges of being lynched but apparently it wasn't enough for mafia to try to kill him. Did they expect medic proc or that he's a vet? Why not test it out? He claimed blue, that's very important in general but somehow it's now lost under the rug. Usually when people claim blue and don't die that first night, something fishy is going on. We should investigate that fishiness. I've now made the majority of my case. At this time, I'm going to ask what other people think about what I've written. Once we come to a decently unanimous decision, we can all vote together. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
Still talking about the day 1 vote, lolz. I'm really not going to rehash my entire defense for that again, please go back and read it. People keep forgetting that I DIDNT KNOW IT WAS THE DECIDING VOTE AS THE VOTE COUNT WAS FUCKED. Sigh, really we going to keep banging this drum again? | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
I strongly pushed to change votes from me, darth and chaoser to someone else, as I felt all 3 of us were town. If I was mafia, why would I try and get votes moved from a guaranteed townie lynch? Come on man, use your head. Stop looking at day 1 and look at RECENT stuff. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
maybe "anticipation" would be more appropriate, but you're really kind of jumping at shadows now. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On July 23 2010 22:50 citi.zen wrote: This is actually pretty cool. Both d3 and BC claimed veteran. Nobody else came forward. No reason not to trust them if no counter claim comes by the end of the day. Then we also confirm the Vigi. There are two DTs alive who performed 2 checks each - so possibly 4 more confirmed townies for a total of 7 confirmed townies. Not bad! I don't think they claimed vet. didn't BC say he got medic saved? | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On July 23 2010 22:51 chaoser wrote: I don't think they claimed vet. didn't BC say he got medic saved? d3 claimed vet, but BC didn't, you're right. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
The instant someone accuses you slightly, you feel the need to retaliate? Come on people. You can do better than that. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
Vote: Double Lynch I have just read through everything that has transpired, we need to carefully look at our options. This could still be a mafia ploy but I doubt it, since there have been no counter claims. It seems the hit was bad luck for the town, however if we can use that to net us some confirmed townies we can turn this into a good thing. I don't think we can be sure of their roles until tomorrow. unless someone has checked them already. I said at the very beginning that 2 KP roles the town had were probably 1 vig and 1 hatter (hence the wording). While it is possible that both are red it is very unlikely and we can have a DT check them randomly over the coming nights to confirm if needed. The fact that their was no counter claim makes my almost positive that Tricode is town. If we have someone randomly check BC the next few nights we could clear this matter up. What we really need to do is start looking at who we need to lynch. I don't necessarily agree with Chaoser's accusations of subversion, but he has the right idea. We need to figure out who to lynch, maybe we need to lynch BC to prove his claim, maybe someone else? Regardless we now know that their was indeed a vig hit last night(there was no counter claim), and it hit BC. As for who it should be, I am not sure. When I get a little more time I will go back and do some checking and see if I can find some people that stand out. I think we can garner some useful information from all that has transpired that will really help our voting tonight. As for double lynch or not, d3, why did you yell out against double lynch but then vote twice? I am confused. 2x lynch didn't pass yesterday, we have a lot of information right now, and probably will have even more tomorrow. I had originally thought it was too early as well but Infundibulum convinced me otherwise. Remember it goes in to play tomorrow, so we have to vote a little earlier to make sure that we can use it when needed. The last game I played waited too late to vote for it ( i had thought it occured on the same day it was voted for) and it could have cost us our plan if it wasn't for how lucky we were that game. Here is the post Infundibulum had on the topic: On July 22 2010 00:39 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Rastaban (and others), to clarify my double lynch vote: it's a bet that after tonights actions we will have more than 1 target on the next day. In my experience Days 3 or 4 are the best time to start the double lynch (which means for Day 3 we vote for double lynch on Day 2, etc). I don't like waiting until Day 5 for double lynch because too many townies can die by that time and it makes it harder to use one of our most dangerous weapons against the mafia. If you guys aren't voting for it today, you should strongly consider voting for it tomorrow. Re: DTA - I should thank pyrr for doing a really thorough analysis here. I do think it's possible the mafia took that gambit of not killing DTA to make him appear more red (see Foolish's quote... "if the mafia don't kill you tonight you're red" [that was paraphrased]). So, I want to see how he responds to Pyrr's accusation before I decide if I want to vote for him. The pressures pretty strong already. ANd i gotta say i'm all but convinced on this one. It's "Infundibulum." | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On July 23 2010 22:57 citi.zen wrote: d3 claimed vet, but BC didn't, you're right. where did d3 claim vet? wtf, i blame the spammers | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
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