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On July 20 2010 14:35 d3_crescentia wrote:
Okay, so.
I took a hit last night. According to Bill, I was protected from a bunch of fat men in suits. I guess that means all of you scum need to hit the gym. There was also an Asian with a cell phone. (DARTHTHIENANANANANAN!?!?!?!?!?!)
Oh, and if you're wondering, the reason why I'm posting this so late is because Bill didn't send me a PM initially ~_~
You seem to be right...
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Even having the links to the nights and days on the first page would be nice to help navigate through this...
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Here is a little investigation I made of youngmini.
On July 18 2010 20:46 youngminii wrote:
Okay I find it funny how BC and citi.zen go nuts over how I said (half jokingly) scum list instead of list of people under scrutiny. I get that this is the phase of the game where you pick apart the tiniest words of everyone but that's just ridiculous.
Anyway, what's with Opz randomly saying everyone should PM him? Is he some mafia veteran god? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, why would you even try and ask that? Do you honestly think people will PM you or are you scum trying to bait the newbies for some free blue kills?
@ Subversion: There's been nothing interesting. You're clearly misreading the thread if you see anything interesting because it's a bunch of people (including myself) in complete disarray talking about stuff that no one else agrees with.
As for hyperbola's bandwagon: it has absolutely no reasoning behind it but it is day 1. I'd prefer abstaining/lynching someone that's about to be modkilled but so many of you are against that with no good reason and decide to lynch someone based on the smallest reasoning founded on RVS.
Suspects BC and citi.zen and OPZ. No reason geting behind hyperbola.
On July 18 2010 20:58 youngminii wrote:
^ I'm going to overlook this post because of the fact that it's day 1 when stupid things are generally 'allowed' and 'normal' (like the hyperbola bandwagon).
On July 18 2010 21:01 youngminii wrote:
Actually, I'm not going to overlook it. Why would you place a vote on me 'just in case'? Especially after you heard BC say I was a strong player (which citi.zen evidently disagrees with)? You have these two guys criticising my post when it's not even serious, you jump on this bandwagon and then put a placeholder vote on me just in case?
Does this not strike you as scummy at all? Overly scummy but scummy nonetheless? In fact, I think this is the scummiest post I have seen all game (not that long). However, I don't think you're really that bad at this game and even a mediocre scum wouldn't do that kind of mistake. Will need confirmation on other more experienced TL mafia players on your meta.
First decide not to respond to a vote from iNfuNdiBuLuM which has no reasoning behind it at all.
Then changes his mind.
On July 18 2010 21:46 youngminii wrote:
There was only one thing that they did point out and that's the only thing that was directed at me, hence I responded to it.
Obvious blue advice? Really? Do you honestly believe that all 30 people in this thread know exactly how to play blue? Do you really think that each and every new person in here knows how to play their role perfectly? So in the case of all 30 people knowing the exact way to play without any discussions as to any plans we should just leave it at that and not discuss our options? You can't be that stupid, I refuse to believe it.
Also, what already answered questions? Back up your statements with evidence please.
How is telling the town to abstain not a good idea? I'm willing to accept criticism of my ideas, but I'm not willing to just sit back and watch as someone comes in, votes for me as a placeholder in case a bandwagon is formed on me (which I suppose is pre-emptive bandwagoning) and then says my ideas are not good. Information Instead of Analysis. In fact, IIoA is a big scumtell in my experiences in other mafia sites (not sure about TL since this site is actually quite a lot different).
I never said citi.zen said I was good. In fact, I implied citi.zen said I was quite bad. I don't critique citi.zen's play because as far as I can tell, people seem to believe his meta is good but if he continues to critique me, so be it. I don't care.
Your 'just in case' is the same as bandwagoning, except you're doing it early. You think there might be a chance that people will start voting for me so you put your vote on me 'just in case'. Biggest hidden form of bandwagoning imo.
My conclusion: You're either a really bad scum, really bad townie, or a fucking bad blue.
##Bote infundibulum
Defends his blue-help and votes for infundibulum.
On July 19 2010 03:37 youngminii wrote:
This is why lynching on the first day is a terrible, terrible idea. The scum can blend in with the town so well and even lurk a bit. They'll just leave people to lynch each other on the first day or two and before you know it, it's lylo. No lynching is a gift, use it. If not, lynch an inactive (someone that's about to be modkilled).
I am 99% certain that whoever gets lynched today will not be scum, simply because it is way too easy for scum not to draw attention on the first day.
lynching first day is bad.
On July 19 2010 04:14 youngminii wrote:
This actually intrigues me a bit. I honestly believe hyperbola is either a townie or a really really really bad scum. There's no way in your right might you would say 'nah all my posts were just jokes, don't worry' if you were scum because that's outright stupid. It's drawing unnecessary attention (ie. the post I'm quoting) and would be something an honest, naive townie would do.
Of course, if he ends up flipping red I'll eat my own arm.
Hyperbola is probably bad townie.
On July 20 2010 15:48 youngminii wrote:
Perhaps Vet's should just make trust circles via PM? Instead of openly roleclaiming, they can slowly bring in people one by one maybe? I guess I'm not that against the roleclaiming part but it does feel a bit iffy.
Also, note that it's interesting how there were 6 votes for hyperbola and 5 votes for me. What's more interesting is that there are only 6 scum and they could have easily single handedly voted off hyperbola (unlikely though). What is likely is that there were at least a few scum voting for either me and hyperbola.
Here's a plan that we can use (I realise my last plan was like, totally distracting and stuff so if you choose to ignore this I don't blame you), instead of Vets roleclaiming, how about Vets 'recruit' people into their PM trust circles. These trust circles can exclude anyone from Hyperbola/my bandwagon as there ought to be at least 2-3 mafia in total in the bandwagons.
Weird plansince the Vets dont know who they are.
On July 21 2010 08:29 youngminii wrote:I completely agree with and back Pandain's suspicion against chaoser. I have two reasons. My first reason is Pandain's points. The majority of his points are valid and chaoser's responses are sub-par. The biggest point that sticks out to me is the fact that chaoser didn't change his vote from abstaining after drilling me so hard. Why? Well he probably knew hyperbola was going to be lynched and there's no use jumping on any bandwagons to raise suspicion. I don't really have an opinion on BB's bandwagon except that it was almost as random as hyperbola's. I was pretty much certain that hyperbola was not scum whereas for BB I cannot say the same however it doesn't warrant my vote. Another thing that irks me at the moment is how chaoser jumped on the subversion bandwagon instead of hyperbola's. There could be a few reasons such as BB is scum and chaoser is protecting him by backing the second bandwagon or BB is town and chaoser doesn't want to raise suspicion on himself. Either way, more evidence points to him being scum than not. My second reason is outside this thread. Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 23:15 chaoser wrote:On July 20 2010 15:35 youngminii wrote:
So a pretty interesting thing that happened was (believe me or not, it doesn't really affect anything) foolishness pm'd me this morning being pretty vague. He said something like he needed a few things for someone to check up on and that I could help him figure a few things out. I have no clue what he was talking about and by the time I replied he was already dead.
Anyways, now that SC2 is back down I'm gonna go read through pretty much the entire thread again. Brb. Why don't you think the claim by d3 and only one person dying last night means anything/affects anything? For some reason, he sent me a PM asking the same question before posting on the thread. There was no way I couldn't raise my eyebrows but didn't know what to make of it. I replied to him telling him to post in the thread as posts are used in the future to analyse a player's actions and by PMing me he was bypassing that. Then he goes on to ask my opinions of his play so far which I still can't make anything out of. The reason I didn't post this before was because I thought he was a newbie and I didn't want to use it against him but I just looked at his posting history and it seems as if he's played games before. I don't know why he PM'd me but it seriously rang alarm bells in my head.
Voted chaoser after this.
On July 21 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:
FoS tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, chaoser
On July 21 2010 10:50 youngminii wrote:
My scumdar indicates that Subversion is not scum. I think that his bandwagon has to be one of the most interesting developments in the game so far. I refuse to believe that a load of townies simply jumped on because he said 'mafia aren't making too many mistakes'. There is at least one mafia in his bandwagon and I am convinced it is chaoser.
Supports Subversion
Ha a long good post post where attacks Pyrrs motives for lynching DTA. It is impossible to quote right though so please read it yourself.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=44#873
On July 22 2010 05:05 youngminii wrote:
This man raises a good point. I also like this amberlight accusation as it sounds solid and very reasonable, unlike this silly DTA one. However, I'm going to stick to my chaoser vote unless amberlight and DTA are on the same vote count or something, which in that case I'd change my vote to amberlight.
Also, how many hours 'til twilight?
Suspects amberlight but not enoght the change from caoser
Then it is 20 posts of spam. Trying to get people to swich to chaoser.
On July 22 2010 13:32 youngminii wrote:
Well see Protactinium, with a central townie to rely on, the game becomes much easier as he can direct the scum hunt without the town having to worry about the central townie being scum. Also, every confirmed townie makes a huge bit of difference late game.
It is not enough to play 'correctly' especially as the game goes on.
Believes he is a central townie. Which he get explained to him he isnt.
I general after having read theough so much spam I can say that there is little pointing to youngmini as mafia imo. He has decent posts that are defending his not so brilliant plans. He hasnt voted for any of the innocent lynched. He defends Pyrrs very accusing post agains DTA and with good arguments, this is not something a mafia would do.
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So Tricode allegedly targeted BC. This is a bit of a shame, as it doesn't put BC's name in the clear. Even lynching Tricode would just confirm that BC did in fact take a hit as he says (likely, as otherwise both Tricode and BC are Mafia which would be revealed after lynching Tricode this evening), but still wouldn't confirm that BC was undeserving of such a hit (i.e. isn't Mafia).
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It does confirm that either Tricode and BC are both red, or Triode is innocent. So it tells us more about Tricode than about BC at this time.
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I dont get why Tricode is trusting BC now though can somone explain?
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Just because Tricode is willing to die doesn't mean we should let him. Even though if he is a powerless Vigilante at this point, knowingly offing him (even when he wants to) is just wasting another townsperson's life. In a similar vein, it is not good to lynch BloodyC0bbler just to test this. Some of you have brought up the scenario where both Tricode and BloodyC0bbler are lying (both Mafia), though that would be an insanely stupid plot that relies on WIFOM whispering to us "...are Mafia really that bold?"
Regardless, what I propose is this:
We have Tricode who is willing to sacrifice himself, both so he can get out of the game and so that he can help the town gain information with his death. However, the objective of our Day Phase is to eliminate Mafia. We have already lost one of our Kill Power roles, and though the other one is still out there that means we've effectively lost one day's worth of time to root out the Mafia. We still have not yet heard anything back from Detectives, but if a Detective checked back somebody who was red then obviously, that's a lynch right there. Some of you seem to be building cases as well, and perhaps that will help us net a red as well.
If, like on Day 2, it comes down to (plausibly) all suitable lynch candidates being town-aligned (though we still do not know about Subversion or Chaoser) we lynch Tricode since he is our backup, though only if no seriously plausible candidate is found. I'm not talking about your "I have a grudge against him or he made one silly comment" kind of deal, but a very powerful case.
It's just an idea, so it's open for discussion. How does that sound?
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On July 24 2010 01:38 citi.zen wrote:
It does confirm that either Tricode and BC are both red, or Triode is innocent. So it tells us more about Tricode than about BC at this time.
True. Though if Tricode were Mafia, it would give us 2 Mafia members immediately, which would be a wealth of information for us. It would be one hell of a Mafia gamble to fake all of this, as they would have to bank on us not lynching Tricode.
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On July 24 2010 01:50 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 01:38 citi.zen wrote:
It does confirm that either Tricode and BC are both red, or Triode is innocent. So it tells us more about Tricode than about BC at this time. True. Though if Tricode were Mafia, it would give us 2 Mafia members immediately, which would be a wealth of information for us. It would be one hell of a Mafia gamble to fake all of this, as they would have to bank on us not lynching Tricode.
There's nothing to gain from this for the Mafia except for confusion. As it's already been said, at most one of them can be Godfather. It's a huge risk right there to assume neither of them have been checked in the four checks total. Even if that goes through, what do they gain? They don't cast suspicion on anybody in the town. Even so, as already pointed out lynching the one who claims Vigilante does not tell us anything about the person claiming to have taken the shot. I don't see a plausible reason why Mafia would do this, since even if both are not lynched today, there's nothing they can do about Detective checks in the night, and at that point the Suicide Bomber would have to kill one of his Mafia buddies for the "two-fer."
Ah, I just thought about how the suicide bomber plays into all of this. Will think about it because it can potentially change the "why" and "what has to be done", but guests have arrived. Toodles for the day.
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On July 24 2010 01:50 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 01:38 citi.zen wrote:
It does confirm that either Tricode and BC are both red, or Triode is innocent. So it tells us more about Tricode than about BC at this time. True. Though if Tricode were Mafia, it would give us 2 Mafia members immediately, which would be a wealth of information for us. It would be one hell of a Mafia gamble to fake all of this, as they would have to bank on us not lynching Tricode.
I don't know about killing tricode, it makes zero sense - he's almost confirmed and thus potentially very useful.
I am wondering whether the two DTs can use tricode to coordinate between themselves. All he would do is pass them each other's name (or name of their contact). He would also have to keep his mouth shut to everyone else. If the two Dts were in contact somehow we'd be in fantastic shape.
Comments?
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we should not lynch tricode
in fact mafia are going to want to kill him, why would we do their job for them?
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On July 24 2010 01:55 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 01:50 SiNiquity wrote:On July 24 2010 01:38 citi.zen wrote:
It does confirm that either Tricode and BC are both red, or Triode is innocent. So it tells us more about Tricode than about BC at this time. True. Though if Tricode were Mafia, it would give us 2 Mafia members immediately, which would be a wealth of information for us. It would be one hell of a Mafia gamble to fake all of this, as they would have to bank on us not lynching Tricode. There's nothing to gain from this for the Mafia except for confusion. As it's already been said, at most one of them can be Godfather. It's a huge risk right there to assume neither of them have been checked in the four checks total. Even if that goes through, what do they gain? They don't cast suspicion on anybody in the town. Even so, as already pointed out lynching the one who claims Vigilante does not tell us anything about the person claiming to have taken the shot. I don't see a plausible reason why Mafia would do this, since even if both are not lynched today, there's nothing they can do about Detective checks in the night, and at that point the Suicide Bomber would have to kill one of his Mafia buddies for the "two-fer." Ah, I just thought about how the suicide bomber plays into all of this. Will think about it because it can potentially change the "why" and "what has to be done", but guests have arrived. Toodles for the day.
Even if this is all some complex plot to get a lot of blues on one person, the suicide bomber still has to decide on whether 1) there ARE that many blues on the teammate he's going to blow and 2) which of his teammates to blow up. It's a stupid idea for mafia to double-lie for both BC and Tricode cause when one falls, the other will too. The only way I can see this somehow working out in mafia's slight favor is if BC is mafia (godfather even), he got hit by Tricode and protected by someone else but the chances of that are so low and can be checked via a DT visit.
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Tricode's weird decision to hit BC is actually working out in our favor lol
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On July 24 2010 01:50 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 01:38 citi.zen wrote:
It does confirm that either Tricode and BC are both red, or Triode is innocent. So it tells us more about Tricode than about BC at this time. True. Though if Tricode were Mafia, it would give us 2 Mafia members immediately, which would be a wealth of information for us. It would be one hell of a Mafia gamble to fake all of this, as they would have to bank on us not lynching Tricode.
It's a dead end though. Once we lynch Tricode that only gives us a hint of who BC is, depending on the flip. BC will not be confirmed 100% from lynching Tricode, and then from there we don't have a lot of connections. BC wasn't really involved with much other than a few posts about the bandwagons and BrownBears plan.
I think we should just avoid them and go for players like Youngminii or Subversion.
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On July 24 2010 02:03 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 01:50 SiNiquity wrote:On July 24 2010 01:38 citi.zen wrote:
It does confirm that either Tricode and BC are both red, or Triode is innocent. So it tells us more about Tricode than about BC at this time. True. Though if Tricode were Mafia, it would give us 2 Mafia members immediately, which would be a wealth of information for us. It would be one hell of a Mafia gamble to fake all of this, as they would have to bank on us not lynching Tricode. I don't know about killing tricode, it makes zero sense - he's almost confirmed and thus potentially very useful. I am wondering whether the two DTs can use tricode to coordinate between themselves. All he would do is pass them each other's name (or name of their contact). He would also have to keep his mouth shut to everyone else. If the two Dts were in contact somehow we'd be in fantastic shape. Comments?
I like the idea, but just wanted to point out a couple caveats.
1. He isn't 100% confirmed it is risky. As of yet there is no evidence at all that the hit ever happened beyond both there words. While it is unlikely is it worth exposing both DTs to this possibility?
2. What if he gets a mafia claim? if the mafia claim fast then if 1 of the DTs isn't active he may go ahead and exchange the names. Even if all three go through would he then share them all, tell us who the three were?
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oh and for now...
##unvote: Double Lynch
##vote: Abstain
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The bomber isn't going to use his ability that early the mafia needs to preserve their kp
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On July 24 2010 02:11 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 02:03 citi.zen wrote:On July 24 2010 01:50 SiNiquity wrote:On July 24 2010 01:38 citi.zen wrote:
It does confirm that either Tricode and BC are both red, or Triode is innocent. So it tells us more about Tricode than about BC at this time. True. Though if Tricode were Mafia, it would give us 2 Mafia members immediately, which would be a wealth of information for us. It would be one hell of a Mafia gamble to fake all of this, as they would have to bank on us not lynching Tricode. I don't know about killing tricode, it makes zero sense - he's almost confirmed and thus potentially very useful. I am wondering whether the two DTs can use tricode to coordinate between themselves. All he would do is pass them each other's name (or name of their contact). He would also have to keep his mouth shut to everyone else. If the two Dts were in contact somehow we'd be in fantastic shape. Comments? I like the idea, but just wanted to point out a couple caveats. 1. He isn't 100% confirmed it is risky. As of yet there is no evidence at all that the hit ever happened beyond both there words. While it is unlikely is it worth exposing both DTs to this possibility? 2. What if he gets a mafia claim? if the mafia claim fast then if 1 of the DTs isn't active he may go ahead and exchange the names. Even if all three go through would he then share them all, tell us who the three were?
If the hit didn't even happen then we can assume both are mafia and that in general is a bad play by mafia, two public figures lying about roles. Either BC is mafia and lying or both are telling the truth. I think those are the only two real possibilities...right?
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On July 24 2010 02:16 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 02:11 rastaban wrote:On July 24 2010 02:03 citi.zen wrote:On July 24 2010 01:50 SiNiquity wrote:On July 24 2010 01:38 citi.zen wrote:
It does confirm that either Tricode and BC are both red, or Triode is innocent. So it tells us more about Tricode than about BC at this time. True. Though if Tricode were Mafia, it would give us 2 Mafia members immediately, which would be a wealth of information for us. It would be one hell of a Mafia gamble to fake all of this, as they would have to bank on us not lynching Tricode. I don't know about killing tricode, it makes zero sense - he's almost confirmed and thus potentially very useful. I am wondering whether the two DTs can use tricode to coordinate between themselves. All he would do is pass them each other's name (or name of their contact). He would also have to keep his mouth shut to everyone else. If the two Dts were in contact somehow we'd be in fantastic shape. Comments? I like the idea, but just wanted to point out a couple caveats. 1. He isn't 100% confirmed it is risky. As of yet there is no evidence at all that the hit ever happened beyond both there words. While it is unlikely is it worth exposing both DTs to this possibility? 2. What if he gets a mafia claim? if the mafia claim fast then if 1 of the DTs isn't active he may go ahead and exchange the names. Even if all three go through would he then share them all, tell us who the three were? If the hit didn't even happen then we can assume both are mafia and that in general is a bad play by mafia, two public figures lying about roles. Either BC is mafia and lying or both are telling the truth. I think those are the only two real possibilities...right?
More like a "very risky play for mafia". I view it as unlikely, but not impossible.
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On July 24 2010 02:16 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 02:11 rastaban wrote:On July 24 2010 02:03 citi.zen wrote:On July 24 2010 01:50 SiNiquity wrote:On July 24 2010 01:38 citi.zen wrote:
It does confirm that either Tricode and BC are both red, or Triode is innocent. So it tells us more about Tricode than about BC at this time. True. Though if Tricode were Mafia, it would give us 2 Mafia members immediately, which would be a wealth of information for us. It would be one hell of a Mafia gamble to fake all of this, as they would have to bank on us not lynching Tricode. I don't know about killing tricode, it makes zero sense - he's almost confirmed and thus potentially very useful. I am wondering whether the two DTs can use tricode to coordinate between themselves. All he would do is pass them each other's name (or name of their contact). He would also have to keep his mouth shut to everyone else. If the two Dts were in contact somehow we'd be in fantastic shape. Comments? I like the idea, but just wanted to point out a couple caveats. 1. He isn't 100% confirmed it is risky. As of yet there is no evidence at all that the hit ever happened beyond both there words. While it is unlikely is it worth exposing both DTs to this possibility? 2. What if he gets a mafia claim? if the mafia claim fast then if 1 of the DTs isn't active he may go ahead and exchange the names. Even if all three go through would he then share them all, tell us who the three were? If the hit didn't even happen then we can assume both are mafia and that in general is a bad play by mafia, two public figures lying about roles. Either BC is mafia and lying or both are telling the truth. I think those are the only two real possibilities...right?
it is not nearly as risky a mafia as you are making it to be as there are other possibilities.
if either of them is the IT then really only 1 person is risked with much gained since he is meant to be sacrificed. And unless we lynched the IT immediately he would be able to go off that night when he started taking heat.
Also remember that mafia are still at 6, so even if we could know instantly that both are mafia it would take 2 days to lynch both of them. that is 4 more mafia kills and they still don't lose KP. I thought for sure we had a Mafia when we lynched DTA but it wasn't. The thing about that is that with the mafia isn't being pressured, they might feel they can take this risk. According to the OP the mafia have to have 2 people before KP reaches 1, that means 3 people can fall first.
We have had people suspecting Tricode, and threatening a lynch, since this has happened everyone seems to so sure that he is innocent now. I don't think this is what happened but to count it out completely and risk both DTs on this seems like a risky play.
On July 24 2010 02:11 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 01:50 SiNiquity wrote:On July 24 2010 01:38 citi.zen wrote:
It does confirm that either Tricode and BC are both red, or Triode is innocent. So it tells us more about Tricode than about BC at this time. True. Though if Tricode were Mafia, it would give us 2 Mafia members immediately, which would be a wealth of information for us. It would be one hell of a Mafia gamble to fake all of this, as they would have to bank on us not lynching Tricode. It's a dead end though. Once we lynch Tricode that only gives us a hint of who BC is, depending on the flip. BC will not be confirmed 100% from lynching Tricode, and then from there we don't have a lot of connections. BC wasn't really involved with much other than a few posts about the bandwagons and BrownBears plan. I think we should just avoid them and go for players like Youngminii or Subversion.
I agree, as I said earlier we need to remember we still have to focus on a lynch, and lynching Tricode probably isn't a good play, but maybe having the DTs randomly check either participant and do it tonight or the next might work.
Why are you suspecting Youngminii? We have had a lot of discussion on subversion, though I feel he is just a new townie, but Youngminii has come up as much. Care to elaborate?
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