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rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 23 2010 17:41 GMT
#1701
Sorry that first line should have been:

it is not nearly as risky a mafia play as you are making it to be as there are other possibilities.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 23 2010 17:59 GMT
#1702
On July 24 2010 02:41 rastaban wrote:
Sorry that first line should have been:

it is not nearly as risky a mafia play as you are making it to be as there are other possibilities.


Ok yeah, I didn't think about the IT, I knew I forgot something.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
July 23 2010 17:59 GMT
#1703
Minor question: Does suicide bomber ability rip through both vet nightlives, or just take one out?

Also, sorry, Subversion. I was willing to forgive your "mafia aren't making too many mistakes" post as a newbie mistake, but you keep making these little scumslips. Also, if you want to defend yourself, you might want to post more than a few lines.

I'm not going to vote for you yet, but you're very suspicious right now...
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
July 23 2010 18:00 GMT
#1704
I think we should hold off lynching tricode and iniaite double lynch tommorrow. A DT should check either of them, i wont say which because of the bomber, and then PM someone (i have no idea who it depends on DTs checks, but id suggest a random vanilla he checked previously that is unlikely to be GF) to give results. If BC is mafia, he was forced to come forward or else the medic would call him out, but I also thinks he could be a lucky godfather who can get the max use out of his disguose by this (hes a sure fire candidate depending on the red team). Either way, i think tricode being red would be giving it away if hes checked, so in my opinions hes 95% vig. If I was DT I would consider PMing him, but then FoS on me for suggesting who the DT should PM

Also reds hit inactives right? What about other inequally inactive players who did not get hit. Southrawrea ive never played with but ill assume hes new. If it was my firtish game, id stay quieter then normal. Laxer and xelin also, but i cant really check (id feel stupid if they actually have been posting more then me -_-) on my phone properly. Just suggesting to look at those who scum didnt hit.

tldr - hold off the BC/tricode vote and gun for a lesslikely blue inactive

##vote southrawrea
vote doublelynch
Together but separate, like oatmeal
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
July 23 2010 18:05 GMT
#1705
BB infested kills anyone in 1 shot, even vets and anyone who is visitng them
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
July 23 2010 18:19 GMT
#1706
On July 23 2010 18:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 17:59 youngminii wrote:
Wait so you hit him for the sake of your own personal desire to one day kill BC? If this is true I'd so totally ban you right now if this were my game.


read aces mafia world.

Fishball did it to me that game knowing full well nothign was gained in killing me but personal satisfaction. You may not like the reason but tricode has openly said he'd kill me from the getgo for many many games lol.


Shut up, I was Mafia that game, not a Vigi.
Killing you (town) was one stone ten birds (one townie bird, nine-self-satisfaction birds).
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 23 2010 18:28 GMT
#1707
We'll probably have more than enough information by next day. We got a ton from last night, still got another day and night. Let's make mafia pay.

##vote doublelynch

Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 23 2010 18:47 GMT
#1708
On July 23 2010 21:41 d3_crescentia wrote:
what the hell is wrong with you people

STOP VOTING DOUBLE LYNCH UNLESS WE HAVE GOOD CANDIDATES TO DO IT WITH; OTHERWISE WE JUST END UP KILLING OURSELVES FASTER

##vote: Tricode
##vote: infundibulum


all of the votes from yesterday's for double and today's for double should seriously be considered and reanalyzed, because we are just wasting our time here and will (likely) waste our lynches unless we get some real analysis going

it's single lynch today
im not going to count either of these until you put just 1 in a pust
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 18:52:35
July 23 2010 18:51 GMT
#1709
Vote Count:

1] Pyrrhuloxia (Misder)
1] zeks (pandain)
1] SouthRawrEa (bumatlarge)


Abstain:
Siniquity
BrownBear
Pyrrhuloxia
Protactinium
zeks
Amber[LighT]
~OpZ~
rastaban
chaoser


Double Lynch:
Siniquity
BrownBear
Pyrrhuloxia
Protactinium
zeks
~OpZ~
rastaban
bumatlarge
chaoser

With 25 left, it takes 13 for majority (which would end the day), or to pass a double lynch for the next day.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 23 2010 18:57 GMT
#1710
On July 24 2010 03:51 Bill Murray wrote:
Vote Count:

Show nested quote +
1] Pyrrhuloxia (Misder)
1] zeks (pandain)
1] SouthRawrEa (bumatlarge)


Abstain:
Show nested quote +
Siniquity
BrownBear
Pyrrhuloxia
Protactinium
zeks
Amber[LighT]
~OpZ~
rastaban
chaoser


Double Lynch:
Show nested quote +
Siniquity
BrownBear
Pyrrhuloxia
Protactinium
zeks
~OpZ~
rastaban
bumatlarge
chaoser

With 25 left, it takes 13 for majority (which would end the day), or to pass a double lynch for the next day.


BM, I was wondering if you could clarify the majority part?

The OP lists "48 hour days, 24 hour nights", I didn't see anything about majority and since it can be anti-town it would be nice to have the extra time.

Thanks,
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 23 2010 18:58 GMT
#1711
On July 24 2010 03:19 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 18:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 23 2010 17:59 youngminii wrote:
Wait so you hit him for the sake of your own personal desire to one day kill BC? If this is true I'd so totally ban you right now if this were my game.


read aces mafia world.

Fishball did it to me that game knowing full well nothign was gained in killing me but personal satisfaction. You may not like the reason but tricode has openly said he'd kill me from the getgo for many many games lol.


Shut up, I was Mafia that game, not a Vigi.
Killing you (town) was one stone ten birds (one townie bird, nine-self-satisfaction birds).


You are not in this town! We have strict anti-immigration laws!
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 23 2010 19:05 GMT
#1712
On July 24 2010 03:57 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 03:51 Bill Murray wrote:
Vote Count:

1] Pyrrhuloxia (Misder)
1] zeks (pandain)
1] SouthRawrEa (bumatlarge)


Abstain:
Siniquity
BrownBear
Pyrrhuloxia
Protactinium
zeks
Amber[LighT]
~OpZ~
rastaban
chaoser


Double Lynch:
Siniquity
BrownBear
Pyrrhuloxia
Protactinium
zeks
~OpZ~
rastaban
bumatlarge
chaoser

With 25 left, it takes 13 for majority (which would end the day), or to pass a double lynch for the next day.


BM, I was wondering if you could clarify the majority part?

The OP lists "48 hour days, 24 hour nights", I didn't see anything about majority and since it can be anti-town it would be nice to have the extra time.

Thanks,


I think he means there are 25 players left so 13 more need to vote double lynch to get it passed? I don't understand the ending day part...does passing double lynch mean the day ends?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 23 2010 19:24 GMT
#1713
It's a huge issue that Tricode's target was BC, and NOT Jayme or Roffles. If his target had been one of the latter two, then, in the absence of a counter-claim, we could safely assume that the mafia had targeted BC. However, because Tricode's target was BC, that makes it still possible that BC is red. This is something we can't really even test out by lynching Tricode (thus why that's a terrible idea), because if he flips red, then yes, so is BC, but if he flips Vigilante, then BC remains unconfirmed.

I would caution people to wait until the first 24 hours are up before roleclaiming to BC and Tricode, simply because I'm not sure if everyone in the game has posted, and we should make absolutely sure that no counter-claim has come up.

The last part of this analysis that needs to come is that we need to figure out if we can discern any other reason for the kills, other than random sniping for blues. Both players were somewhat un-influential, which strikes me as odd choices for the night kill.

DT's should get their information out there if they haven't done so already. Find a way, take a risk, see where that leads you.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 23 2010 19:40 GMT
#1714
It's a huge issue that Tricode's target was BC, and NOT Jayme or Roffles. If his target had been one of the latter two, then, in the absence of a counter-claim, we could safely assume that the mafia had targeted BC. However, because Tricode's target was BC, that makes it still possible that BC is red. This is something we can't really even test out by lynching Tricode (thus why that's a terrible idea), because if he flips red, then yes, so is BC, but if he flips Vigilante, then BC remains unconfirmed.


I just realized, if they both really were mafia, wouldn't Tricode WANT to claim he hit Jayme or Roffles? That leads us to the assumption that BC got hit by mafia-->he is to be trusted. In this way, they can both lie and get away with it and gain an advantage?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 23 2010 19:46 GMT
#1715
BM, I was wondering if you could clarify the majority part?

The OP lists "48 hour days, 24 hour nights", I didn't see anything about majority and since it can be anti-town it would be nice to have the extra time.

Thanks,


if someone hits majority they're dead and the day ends and goes to twilight
if it ends in an hour, will twilight last 47? no. If it ends in 1 hour, will twilight last 1 minute? no. I would definitely give a reasonable amount of time as to not make it unfair for the town, but what you're asking me to do is essentially "baby" people who don't know not to reach majority before they've discussed shit.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 23 2010 19:49 GMT
#1716
On July 24 2010 04:40 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
It's a huge issue that Tricode's target was BC, and NOT Jayme or Roffles. If his target had been one of the latter two, then, in the absence of a counter-claim, we could safely assume that the mafia had targeted BC. However, because Tricode's target was BC, that makes it still possible that BC is red. This is something we can't really even test out by lynching Tricode (thus why that's a terrible idea), because if he flips red, then yes, so is BC, but if he flips Vigilante, then BC remains unconfirmed.


I just realized, if they both really were mafia, wouldn't Tricode WANT to claim he hit Jayme or Roffles? That leads us to the assumption that BC got hit by mafia-->he is to be trusted. In this way, they can both lie and get away with it and gain an advantage?

Actually, you're absolutely right.

Tricode is confirmed as town. But BC still is the same. At this point, I advocate a mass roleclaim to Tricode. He can then tell the town how many of each blue role claimed, and build a circle.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 23 2010 19:56 GMT
#1717
Let me clarify this.

It's an interesting case, in claiming who he hit, Tricode could've conceivably claimed one of the dead guys, or he could've claimed BC. If he had claimed a dead guy, then BC is confirmed. This is what the mafia would want if this was a ploy. However, by claiming BC, then he essentially exonerates himself, by choosing the less-optimal option.

Clear?
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
July 23 2010 19:59 GMT
#1718
On July 24 2010 04:40 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
It's a huge issue that Tricode's target was BC, and NOT Jayme or Roffles. If his target had been one of the latter two, then, in the absence of a counter-claim, we could safely assume that the mafia had targeted BC. However, because Tricode's target was BC, that makes it still possible that BC is red. This is something we can't really even test out by lynching Tricode (thus why that's a terrible idea), because if he flips red, then yes, so is BC, but if he flips Vigilante, then BC remains unconfirmed.


I just realized, if they both really were mafia, wouldn't Tricode WANT to claim he hit Jayme or Roffles? That leads us to the assumption that BC got hit by mafia-->he is to be trusted. In this way, they can both lie and get away with it and gain an advantage?


If Tricode claimed to hit Jayme or Roffles, then we'd first have to verify Tricode before BC could be verified. If Tricode really is Mafia, then claiming to hit BC is smart because we gain nothing by lynch-verifying him under the pretense that he's not Mafia.

In short, claiming to not hit BC but rather Roffles or Jayme gives us an incentive to lynch him, because we gain something from his death (BC's innocence).
'i' before 'e' except after 'c' ~ it's scientifically proven.
SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
July 23 2010 20:00 GMT
#1719
On July 24 2010 04:49 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 04:40 chaoser wrote:
It's a huge issue that Tricode's target was BC, and NOT Jayme or Roffles. If his target had been one of the latter two, then, in the absence of a counter-claim, we could safely assume that the mafia had targeted BC. However, because Tricode's target was BC, that makes it still possible that BC is red. This is something we can't really even test out by lynching Tricode (thus why that's a terrible idea), because if he flips red, then yes, so is BC, but if he flips Vigilante, then BC remains unconfirmed.


I just realized, if they both really were mafia, wouldn't Tricode WANT to claim he hit Jayme or Roffles? That leads us to the assumption that BC got hit by mafia-->he is to be trusted. In this way, they can both lie and get away with it and gain an advantage?

Actually, you're absolutely right.

Tricode is confirmed as town. But BC still is the same. At this point, I advocate a mass roleclaim to Tricode. He can then tell the town how many of each blue role claimed, and build a circle.


DO NOT MASS ROLECLAIM TO TRICODE
'i' before 'e' except after 'c' ~ it's scientifically proven.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 23 2010 20:01 GMT
#1720
On July 24 2010 04:46 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
BM, I was wondering if you could clarify the majority part?

The OP lists "48 hour days, 24 hour nights", I didn't see anything about majority and since it can be anti-town it would be nice to have the extra time.

Thanks,


if someone hits majority they're dead and the day ends and goes to twilight
if it ends in an hour, will twilight last 47? no. If it ends in 1 hour, will twilight last 1 minute? no. I would definitely give a reasonable amount of time as to not make it unfair for the town, but what you're asking me to do is essentially "baby" people who don't know not to reach majority before they've discussed shit.


Sorry, I don't understand, what does "hit majority" mean?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
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