On July 25 2010 10:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I dunno how to make this any clearer:
Being Townie 101
1. Do not lie to town. 1a. Do not pretend to be blue.
Being Blue 101
1. Do not lie to town. 2. Do not give your blue role to someone who isn't fully confirmed, especially not in the first couple of days.
We've had so much trouble over the past 3 days because of the refusal of good players to stick to the fundamentals. Some people want to be flashy, they wanna be a hero, they are impatient, etc. The key to town is to act as a crowd, to not stick out. That way, the mafia sticks out and gets caught. When town members get these bright ideas about goofing around to draw out reds they just end up sticking out themselves.
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum.
Dude you've already posted that bright red list multiple times and I'm sure you are gonna repost it intermittently for the next 72 hours unless BM threatens to modkill you for spamming.
On July 25 2010 10:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I dunno how to make this any clearer:
Being Townie 101
1. Do not lie to town. 1a. Do not pretend to be blue.
Being Blue 101
1. Do not lie to town. 2. Do not give your blue role to someone who isn't fully confirmed, especially not in the first couple of days.
We've had so much trouble over the past 3 days because of the refusal of good players to stick to the fundamentals. Some people want to be flashy, they wanna be a hero, they are impatient, etc. The key to town is to act as a crowd, to not stick out. That way, the mafia sticks out and gets caught. When town members get these bright ideas about goofing around to draw out reds they just end up sticking out themselves.
The problem is that we were going to let young into the circle yet as soon as citizen turns out to be green(not even blue) he just recklessly posts it.
? I don't even know what this circle is. I haven't received a PM since tree.hugger sent me one on Day 2. He was trying to convince me to vote subversion; I was trying to convince him to vote DTA.
But today all of a sudden it seems like every blue has claimed to three to five people to the point where the reds probably know all the blues and could probably fake DT if they wanted.
On July 25 2010 10:25 chaoser wrote: You can hit me if you want, I'mma flip green. Either way, I'mma go get my popcorn cause youngminii is hellbent on killing me
This is exactly what I am hellbent on doing. I'm just going to be spamming the list until this game ends.
BC SouthRawrea Chaoser Infundibuxdlgxcubum Pandain (Claimed DT) Amber[Light] (Pandain claimed to have checkd him) Tree.hugger (moved tree.hugger to the bottom 'cause it's likely he's just bad town)
Young, you know that if South is blue, the mafia spread their votes across both lists and let the town fight over the lynch.
Sure, yeah okay.
I'm serious; stop being a dick.
If South is blue then Day 3 was perfect for mafia. They have 1-2 people come out and argue for lynching citizen (someone like BC, tree hugger, or me) and a couple others to start the wagon on South (e.g. you, zeks, or lakrismamma). The town just eats up the bullshit since a mafia was never in danger of getting lynched due to citizen fronting for the mad hatter rather than actually being the mad hatter.
Basically the entire duality of Citi/South was thrown because citizen was not the role he said he was, so instead of being at Citi/South/Tricode we're at South/Tricode/Mystery Player.
Exactly, there's no way citi.zen could have known for sure that he was mouthing for a real hatter. Even if a DT was involved, this mystery player could be GF. How likely is it that this mystery player is GF? I can't even speculate or offer my expertise on this because I don't know who it is since I'm not in the divine secret circle of the go.go brotherhood. Could be a mafia faking dt and a mafia faking hatter coming together to guess citizen as green based on high activity. Or maybe they are using one of the DTs to do role checks for them, given that our blues seem to be acting looser than fat emo girls right now.
It could be that mafia was threatened by Tricode claiming and used citizen to create a situation with three innocents claiming. Maybe they came up with whatever faulty reasoning citizen was using to claim as hatter rather than mouth. Maybe the secret town plan accounts for all this, but I wouldn't know. This would be a lot less complicated, with a lot less WIFOM to get lost in if townies didn't lie.
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it.
On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote: Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit. In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list?
On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum.
Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans.
No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that.
No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in.
And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT".
I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man.
If anything your going to ruin it.
Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc.
Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again.
I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF.
Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!"
There. Any more questions?
Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.-
If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness.
And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes.
DT can only have checked 2 times by now in case anyone doesn't get that.
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it.
On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote: Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit. In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list?
On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum.
Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans.
No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that.
No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in.
And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT".
I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man.
If anything your going to ruin it.
Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc.
Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again.
I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF.
Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!"
There. Any more questions?
Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.-
If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness.
And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes.
I never said he checked me. I think this is going to be flame war soon. <--- Getting bit angry. I'll try to let other people defend me unless everyone starts believing young.
Can someone verify that Pandain claimed he was checked? And if he wasn't, (and even if he was) see Playing Blue 101, rule 2.
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it.
On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote: Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit. In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list?
On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum.
Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans.
No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that.
No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in.
And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT".
I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man.
If anything your going to ruin it.
Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc.
Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again.
I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF.
Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!"
There. Any more questions?
Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.-
If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness.
And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes.
I never said he checked me. I think this is going to be flame war soon. <--- Getting bit angry. I'll try to let other people defend me unless everyone starts believing young.
So now you're claiming your DT came up to you and told you all this information without having even confirmed you? Even when he already had 2 people to trust? Bad theory is bad.
Let's just say I forced it out of him. and no, he had one. And that person I had already been in contact with. I'm not going to say much more about this in depth just because I don't want to reveal to much. Have to talk it over.
Forced it out of him? What the hell does that even mean. I can't think of any legitimate reason for this. I wouldn't try to get a DTs role from someone because role fishers are mafia.
I can't even tell what's going on anymore because it seems more than half the discussion is going on behind the scenes. These trust circles always dissolve into distrust circles when they aren't based on logical confirmation.
On July 25 2010 11:03 tree.hugger wrote: Basically, it works like this:
We lynched citi.zen because in doing so, we would find out which he was, and thus Southrawrea would be the other. Of course, we could've done the same thing by lynching Southrawrea, but due to suspicions I, and many others held, along with the advantage of catching a bigger fish, or using the skill of a superior hatter, we decided that citi.zen was the better target.
However, the fact that citi.zen is NOT the MH candidate, makes our choice a mistake. Whereas lynching Southrawrea would've had the same effect; either validating citi.zen and his friend/Tricode, lynching citi.zen means that we still have a third option on the table; namely that citi.zen was a pawn of the GF. And now we can't ask him about it. Not only that, but if this is the case, then the GF knows both detectives.
Or Southrawrea could be mafia. Or Tricode and Bc could be mafia.
We should've had two choices, but now we still have three.
So here's what we need to do. If citi.zen's MH was the mafia, then we could probably call gg right now, because we're done. At any rate, our detectives should make sure to confide in someone that they trust, because they'll both die. A suicide bomber is likely in this scenario, and that means Southrawrea would die as well, leaving a total of five town deaths and one mafia death in a night.
But because of how bleak this other outlook is, I think we have no choice but to reject it. We can't win the game that way, and so we shouldn't even consider it, and pretend like citi.zen's death has given us the two-pronged choice that we aimed for.
If GF was posing as hatter to citi.zen, I'd imagine a red faking DT was involved.
On July 25 2010 11:03 tree.hugger wrote: Basically, it works like this:
We lynched citi.zen because in doing so, we would find out which he was, and thus Southrawrea would be the other. Of course, we could've done the same thing by lynching Southrawrea, but due to suspicions I, and many others held, along with the advantage of catching a bigger fish, or using the skill of a superior hatter, we decided that citi.zen was the better target.
However, the fact that citi.zen is NOT the MH candidate, makes our choice a mistake. Whereas lynching Southrawrea would've had the same effect; either validating citi.zen and his friend/Tricode, lynching citi.zen means that we still have a third option on the table; namely that citi.zen was a pawn of the GF. And now we can't ask him about it. Not only that, but if this is the case, then the GF knows both detectives.
Or Southrawrea could be mafia. Or Tricode and Bc could be mafia.
We should've had two choices, but now we still have three.
So here's what we need to do. If citi.zen's MH was the mafia, then we could probably call gg right now, because we're done. At any rate, our detectives should make sure to confide in someone that they trust, because they'll both die. A suicide bomber is likely in this scenario, and that means Southrawrea would die as well, leaving a total of five town deaths and one mafia death in a night.
But because of how bleak this other outlook is, I think we have no choice but to reject it. We can't win the game that way, and so we shouldn't even consider it, and pretend like citi.zen's death has given us the two-pronged choice that we aimed for.
If GF was posing as hatter to citi.zen, I'd imagine a red faking DT was involved.
Which means maybe they don't know the DTs. Now, I get it that people went ahead and gave info on DTs to citizen and so he supposedly found 3. But did Citi.zen actually get 3 dt names? or did he just get mouths / people posing as mouths?
On July 25 2010 11:07 zeks wrote: Let's blow the real taco stand.
Citi.zen was my mouthpiece.
I am the real mad hatter.
My bombs are on BC and SouthRawrea.
I am missing a medic and a DT. Claim to me if you wish.
I'm right here. Kill me.
Haha why no reaction? I think we need to talk about this lol.
Well I think town is suffering from too many boys crying wolf at the moment.
More seriously, I take it you're saying your plan was to have citizen claim for you and then go after whoever claims next? And BC for leading the charge against citizen?
On July 26 2010 14:54 BrownBear wrote: I don't like the majority lynch rule.
I really think the town should have the full 48 hours, and then the lynch happens at the end of it. Ending the day early for them just seems unfair to town, especially those who are in different time zones so may not be able to access the thread until after majority has passed.
I can see a scenario where a townie has critical information for the town, but something like this happens and the lynch happens before he can share it. It just doesn't seem that balanced.
I agree but it's not that big of a deal and it's better to just keep the rules where they started.
On July 26 2010 15:14 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: #vote SouthRawrea #vote Pandain I'm just going to start with who I know for 100% sure has lying. Hasn't worked well so far but I don't give a fuck.
my logical trail takes me down the same path, ill likely end up on a liar as well for my other vote
because if you're town for fuck sakes dont openly lie to the town, at least in such a stupid and poor manner
Just to clear it up, I did NOT lie to town. I lied only to Youngmini because we were going to let him into the circle but had to be sure he wasn't GF(since he had checked green.). I did NOT lie to the town or jeopardize it, until Youngmini reaveled it, probably with good intentions :/. It was ???,Subversion, and I's secret expirement. If I still lived, than youngmini wasn't GF and we would let him in our group.
That's the extent of my lie, to youngmini for one day. The pms with Subversion I posted verify this.
Lying in PM = lying to town, because whoever gets your mail and catches you in a lie has an obligation to tell the town about it. Maybe if you are DT and check a red you can try lying to them to get more info but really that will probably just screw you over.
On July 26 2010 15:35 BrownBear wrote: Guys, why are you even bothering arguing with BC. He's mafia. He's just trying to cause as much ruckus as possible before he gets lynched and has to shut up.
Just ignore him and the problem will resolve itself. In a very short, terminal fashion.
Can you provide any definite proof of your claim of BC?
I would like an explanation that isn't bullshit or a manipulative of what actually occurred.
If you can provide me with that information then I will ignore BC and vote for him.
1) BC decided my roleclaiming plan was idiotic, despite the fact that it benefits town. 2) BC decided instead of going for South (who was 99% confirmed mafia) we should go for citi.zen. You see how that turned out. 3) BC hasn't really been sparking town discussion, he's been flaming people, calling every plan stupid, deriding every player as playing poorly, etc. This is very scummy, as he is intentionally trying to break down town unity rather than build it. 4) BC has been on the wrong side of every vote so far.
You want more? I've got more.
1. I think that plan was too hasty. 2. I also saw citi.zen as the better target because of the sketchiness of his claim. 3. This could be true he hasn't had a great counterplan. 4. None of us have been on the right side of a vote yet since we've yet to bag a red.
EPT
Okay I guess I could ease up a bit. In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list?
and no, he had one. And that person I had already been in contact with. I'm not going to say much more about this in depth just because I don't want to reveal to much. Have to talk it over.
