TL Mafia XXVIII - Page 5

On July 25 2010 00:26 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


no, he actually has a really good point - that people screw up all the time. i can't tell you how many games i've been in where the dt's manage to start a blue circle, include one too any idiots and get the role info leaked to the mafia = dead blues; or inadvertently let the mafia directly into the PM circle = dead blues

your plan is solid but not error proof nor fool proof, and we can't pretend like it is

the reason to be careful is that this is basically THE GAME right here. if town screws up they lose it's over, if it works then town is sitting pretty

On July 25 2010 00:41 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


As BC pointed out, if the GF decided to appear as DT he could have a representative (a red) act as his contact for this. However, the chances of GF picking DT in my experience are pretty low (never seen it happen) and mafia probably played it safe with vet or townie. But it's still POSSIBLE and so it must be weighed into consideration.

On July 25 2010 00:41 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


The other thing is, how can you ask the DT to claim if more than 1 representative comes forward? The way the plan is worded, you yourself do not know the names of the DT's and are instead passing the names of the representatives, or am i misreading?

On July 25 2010 01:20 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


lol no matter what role i am i would answer this question the same way, so essentially it is a nonquestion. try again!

(the answer is that it is good)

Basically my worry is that you need a way to deal with false claims. The mafia are at an advantage right now in terms of kills and I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to send in one of their players as a false DT representative in order to sacrifice himself, disrupt your plan, and buy them another day

Situation: two people PM you claiming to be representatives of a Detective (they don't tell you his name). Now, since you know the name of the other DT or are at least in contact with him indirectly, we know one of these guys is a liar. How do you deal with this?

We would have to publicly expose the names of the representatives, in order to spend a day role checking or lynching (double lynch?), which costs the town another 2 kills before the plan goes into effect. Is there another, cleaner, plan?

Now one possible way to avoid this situation entirely is to have the remaining DT contact you himself, as you are confirmed town (unless there is a real vig/hatter out there and he is really really stupid or really really inactive). However, this still opens you up to false claims from the mafia, and in this case "your" DT can check one of the claimants (don't forget about the godfather!), thereby determining the innocence of the other. Still, you lose a night before getting the real DTs in touch with each other.

And then, the possibilities of what happen during the night can destroy the plan entirely. The suicide bomber comes to mind.

On the whole, this is a very powerful plan which is why i would expect mafia to interfere given that they haven't lost a member yet.

Since the idea of the plan has already been set in motion it seems to me that the town has little choice but to participate - consider a scenario where the actual remaining DT is too nervous to contact citizen, and then citizen gets contacted my a mafia "detective." Since only 1 claim came to citizen, can he assume the innocence of this claimant? This scenario alone shows why we basically have no choice but to follow through with the plan now, and that the remaining DT needs to follow the plan and find a way to contact citizen.

Personally, I'm not sure which method of contact is superior for the plan (representative to citi or actual DT to citi). Both have pros and cons here, can anyone else shed some light?

On July 25 2010 01:22 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Let me iterate what I think is the most important thought in my post: if the mafia send in a false claimer to sac himself and delay the plan, the outcomes of night kills can potentially stop the plan from happening at all

On July 25 2010 04:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Well the excrement has hit the air conditioning.

I need to think about this.

I'm actually not sure if the correct play is to lynch South here.

On July 25 2010 06:25 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


How does that make any sense

mafia is against a wall so they sacrificed someone who was going to be lynched anyway? if southrawrea is red it doesn't buy the mafia any extra time if he gets lynched

On July 25 2010 06:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


Okay, I can see this line of thinking now.

However, so far 1, seems to be backfiring since South has already garnered several votes. And i doubt he had his posts written for him; they're not persuasive at all.

Put yourself in the mafias shoes. If citizen is really the hatter, how would you disrupt the plan? The strategies i detailed in my longish post on page 96 (i think its 96) involving false DT claims would be much more powerful and harder to combat than sending out SouthRawrea to meekly claim that he's the real Mad Hatter. Like I said before, never assume the mafia are idiots.

The other possibility no one has mentioned is that BC and Tricode are both red and we have 2 Hatters (possible yes... realistic probably not)

On July 25 2010 06:50 Amber[LighT] wrote:


lol wut?

How on earth do you figure that? The past three days must have been hilarious for them to watch. We have more chickens with their heads cut off and we're trying to lynch them all.

I'm trying to figure out the best possible way to go about this. Lynching citizen vs. SR seems to be a double-edged sword. One of them is the hatter, the other is a mafia. If we hit a mafia then we have gotten that much closer to winning, but what do we gain? A guaranteed hatter that we will need to baby for the rest of the game...

I'm trying to think of the future here. If Citizen is the hatter then he is probably going to be a (juicy) suicide target. That means that his two bombs (He threw two right?) will go off. He hasn't said who he has them on, so we as a town can't tell him where they should move.

If SR is the hatter then we only have to worry about moving one bomb to a "mafia." This actually (sorta) secures SR and the mafia players safety as it would require them to use a night kill or suicide bomb, which there is less incentive imo.

Assuming SR is legit I'll support him. There's less risk in keeping him alive, assuming citi.zen laid two bombs, and assuming he's the hatter.

And if the person we lynch is the hatter the next person is on the stands tomorrow anyway.

vote: citi.zen
vote: double lynch

On July 25 2010 08:29 rastaban wrote:
Well last game he was caught when he tried to define his fake roleclaim.