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How long does it take you guys to come up with the big posts? I get 2 or 3 paragraphs together and I am half an hour or more in. as for the talk about GF, is there a miller in this game, DTA didn't list one in the role count, but he did put it in the op list of roles. | ||
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From Citi.zen: + Show Spoiler + A third DT claim did show up. Which is good - more people are giving themselves up. I will need the name of your Dt when you are satisfied there is no counter claim against me. My DT can then check one of the two and find the real one as well as the red. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Wow, I did't expect that much to go down last night. I think you might have just given us the break town needed to turn this around. I believe at this point if someone was going to claim they would have. The DT felt the same way so I was asked to go ahead and move forward with contacting you. Let me know what we should do next. Thanks, He hasn't mentioned this in the thread, I hate putting myself out there, but if he is playing us I am sure another mouth can confirm. | ||
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Before the reveal of the other hatter, and asked for us to reveal the DTs | ||
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Unvote Abstain Vote Citi.zen Explain yourself. | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:18 youngminii wrote: Here's some credibility for citi.zen. I don't care if you don't read this but know that if you're town and citi.zen dies tonight you have played against your win condition by a big deal. I represented my DT and claimed to citi.zen. Rastaban did the same. Citi.zen got two DT claims and so he knows something is wrong. If he was scum, he would have kept going as if everything was normal. Instead, he made both rastaban and myself aware that there were more than one DT group claiming. Citi.zen is in the best position possible as town and you should all see that. I would agree, except he asked for me to give my DTs name. That is why I am worried. | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:22 chaoser wrote: If when citi.zen found out there were multiple claims for DT, he would have told town if he was townie. But he didn't. That's weird Intead he asked us to give up our DT names... I don't like it. And just like last game when he was GF he has gone completely silent when suspicion is cast on him | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote: And you're saying this is worse than SouthRawrea saying "Hey citi if you're MH, tell us who your bombs are on" post? Well last game he was caught when he tried to define his fake roleclaim. | ||
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Bumatlarge Post Analysis: DAY 1 + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2010 05:29 bumatlarge wrote: I personally think divinek is mafia. Because he sucks. Oh my god he sucks. ##Vote Divinek Random starting vote, gets people talking On July 18 2010 12:47 bumatlarge wrote: One could argue about the likeliness of certain outcomes, so I think using an RNG would be alot better  RNG is bad for town, nets some scum points here On July 19 2010 05:27 bumatlarge wrote: The "not lynching 1st day" has been discussed to death in other games. It is 99% of the time a disadvantageous plan, even with a small number of people. In the overall scheme of things we need to get rid of someone by town decision, and we have alot of posts to base it on. We have an ok shot at hitting a mafia right here so I suggest we do it. -Don't hit an EXTREMELY active person. They could be mafia, but they are putting themselves out there and will eventually be weeded out. -Don't hit those in danger of modkills. If they do some last minute stunt, well massive FoS on them for it. The above list looks ok, but I'm going to shy away from Darth, because I called him out another game for being way too helpful (weird, but he was red that game) and hes trying something different. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's just changing up his playstyle to avoid getting killed again, and I'm not implying that it seems scummy at all for him. Please reconsider as of this moment. Darth WOULD lift a finger to defend himself the same way no matter his role. I think he knows this so he's gonna try his luck. In fact I think hes blue, because I havent seen him play it, and it's a different style, so Im going to take some heat for him right now and ask that if you really are bent on voting for darth, vote for me instead Young seems green imo and Ketomai is still in DANGERZONE.Hyperbola seems like a viable candidate from what I read, BUT SO DOES DIVINEK (DIEDIEDIE) ... ok I'll let him slide today unvote ##Vote Hyperbola Votes Hyperbola, but has a pretty good reason why and starts to defend Darth. I am going to call this an even split. So after day 1 he is breaking even, He hasn't put himself out too much. Even though the last post claims to be risky, he does vote according to the bandwagon which makes it easy to gloss over while still seeming like a lot content. At this point though I would say he looks town NIGHT 1 + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 10:30 bumatlarge wrote: MUHAHAHAHA- Ahem... *vigorous nodding* I've never played in a game where the Godfather's role cant be disclosed and there are no clues (that I remember), so that seems like an issue to me, at least later on if he plays quiet and doesnt hesitate to throw a scummer under the bus every once in awhile. And I can't really pin my finger on whate he would pick as his mask, as a smart one could safely assume towny, or deviously take a DT role and waste town a few days. The only comfort I have is that they are sticking with one role, so we base our info on that later on when some DT checks come along and we can really do some soul searching Darth you are weird. But some DT is gong to check you so BEWARE. Unless you are GF. Boy wouldnt that lead to fun times. Bumatlarge is on the fence about Darth again, this wishy-washiness actually strikes me as town. It's the people who are afraid to change their mind that you need to worry about. The average townie should just want a town win, and be willing to recheck assumptions if needed. DAY 2 + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 22:59 bumatlarge wrote: Poor brownbear, suprised only one person is calling out darth for his posting youd think mafia would jump on the chance of a towny greenclaiming Godfather. Unless hes mafia, then it all makes sense. You may argue that D3 could be scum, but would you really run head first into a vote as mafia without trying to at least convince someone that certain posting is detrimental. And if darth is red, then divinek is an easy pick after. I mean, hell why not lynch everyone darth has accused after. I think he might be trying to get caught. I see no traitor role. If you agree with me I suggest ignoring everything darth says after this.##Vote DarthThienAn Suggests ignoring DTA, and then votes him. We know now that he was green but I think there were a lot of townies on this lynch due to the suspicious activity. On July 21 2010 04:37 bumatlarge wrote: Eh, it just seems typical of him to do this. I think too many people are accusing him that there isnt a single red between them. You may argue that lynching BB is beneficial either way, but we dont really get much info from that death. Although it isnt really RNG at this point, we can still choose the person who would give us the best results. I can't really think of a better candidate then DTA. I know it may put FoS on me, but what would it benefit me to go out and protect him if we were both scum? Pray everyone blindly follows us and hope DTs dont check either of us? The votes on day1 dont help my point but lol,,, Hope to god he isnt red. Subversion looks scummy though you can lynch him all the way Now he is pushing DTA and defending BB. He also supports a lynch on subversion. He is trying to push himself into the limelight which benfits town, and his posting rate is increasing both good things. On July 21 2010 05:17 bumatlarge wrote: Maybe if you and BB switched places Id believe you. Time to switch into the darth I know buddy While DTA is my top concern, the more I read into subversion, the more obvious it seems, and as treehugger mentioned, that mafia mistake quote day1 is really wtf. I dont think anyone has the balls to say that. Ill have to make sure to say that next game XD Starting suspect subversion, this can be read two different ways. Either he is mafia trying to spread out his vote now that DTA is going down or a townie who doesn't know what to believe On July 21 2010 05:25 bumatlarge wrote: Ive heard of shoving your foot in your mouth, but sub basically ate a scuba flipper whole, shat it out, took pictures and posted it on the internet, then assumes no one will find that outrageously gross. You would have to be a freak, and in this case scum. Unvote ##Vote Subversion So now we see the switch to subversion. DTA ends up being green so this is a good move, but I don't think it weights too heavily as we don't know subversion role yet. But sub has soft claimed so it does worry me some. On July 21 2010 23:34 bumatlarge wrote: Would incriminating yourself be FoS? Couldn't locate exactly who he was referring to here classify this under: Verbal banter So end of the second day and not a whole lot has gone on. Shortly after that last post, he just disappeared. He was not around for the actual voting. Things can come up though but it something to keep in mind as we delve further in. After day 2 is when it starts being easier to spot mafia actions, up until this point it was probably fairly easy to hide. NIGHT 2 + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2010 13:35 bumatlarge wrote: You're credible when you're dead. Sorry darth  A quip to the dead person, often the scum will try this. Gives some bragging rights for after the game, of course so does town because it can be funny but it adds slightly to scum side of the scales. On July 22 2010 13:58 bumatlarge wrote: And what woodwork would I have come out of? I was satisfied with my vote on subversion and explained why, and I wasn't against darth or chaoser being lynched either, not one over the other, so really I had no reason to post and waited for night. Its a shame darth was green, as his posts are now just random vanilla towny actions with barely rhyme or reason, but we have a good number of votes to analyze now, so that should lead to alot of posting I'll need to catch up on tomorrow. Hopefully night will give us even more. I would protect subversion tonight as he's either blue or red, even though mafia might pass over him based off day 2. Hope I get shot tonight >:D Defends himself from accusations, though I do wonder why he would be so quick to defend himself against so many perceived accusations when all Pyrruhloxia did was add his name to a list. Seems paranoid to me. On July 23 2010 08:10 bumatlarge wrote: We could just WIFOM the hell out of the reds by bomber logic! Alright so let's say subversion s blue of an unknown type. Scum would sacrifice they're bomber on the offchance that a blue is vsiting him. Sub has already proved to be disadvantageous to the town along wth being one of the chief suspects town has, so they would be relyng that another blue is visiting him, which imo is worth the bombers life if one is at least a DT or med. Now, multiple townies are recognizing that the bomber has a strong chance of hitting sub, and any cautous blue (which is most) wont touch that guy anyway. And if hes just green trying to save himself? And no one visits him? HAHA losers. And ifs hes truly red, DTs wont worry. Honestly blowing the bomber on a less then subpar person with a crasphoot chance that a blue feels the need to act on sub s an awful lay for scum so early nto the game. And you would rsk a ht on someone who clamed blue, hasnt done much and is already under the magnifying glass. So blues will do whatever they think best leaning against not acting on sub, and scum can consder wastng a memeber when there are 22 other townes around WIFOM brought to you by mentos, the freshmaker. /ts allowed when used against them, right? It doesn't add much and I am probably swayed by the funny punch line but I like this post. In reality it doesn't add anything to the discussion and is filler but sometimes the games get so intense a laugh is nice. It is also night time and posting too many plans during the night can be suspicious since it gives the reds more information to work off of. On July 23 2010 09:37 bumatlarge wrote: Thats because you could then see what the night people were doing if you had your head up. This isnt 5th grade mafia. (Im only saying that because in 5th grade, that's exactly what we would do )more banter On July 23 2010 14:07 bumatlarge wrote: yawn is the post gonna be up soon i need to get my beauty sleep again... This night we see Bumatlarge acting very paranoid against the smallest reference/accusation and then turning to a more jovial mood. The only thing about the jovialness that worries me, is that at this point all that had happened was 2 incorrect lynches and some night kills with more incoming. The mafia had more to be happy about than us, however he may be a naturally happy person in which case we need more of him We won't hear more from him for a little whileDAY 3 + Show Spoiler + On July 24 2010 03:00 bumatlarge wrote: I think we should hold off lynching tricode and iniaite double lynch tommorrow. A DT should check either of them, i wont say which because of the bomber, and then PM someone (i have no idea who it depends on DTs checks, but id suggest a random vanilla he checked previously that is unlikely to be GF) to give results. If BC is mafia, he was forced to come forward or else the medic would call him out, but I also thinks he could be a lucky godfather who can get the max use out of his disguose by this (hes a sure fire candidate depending on the red team). Either way, i think tricode being red would be giving it away if hes checked, so in my opinions hes 95% vig. If I was DT I would consider PMing him, but then FoS on me for suggesting who the DT should PM Also reds hit inactives right? What about other inequally inactive players who did not get hit. Southrawrea ive never played with but ill assume hes new. If it was my firtish game, id stay quieter then normal. Laxer and xelin also, but i cant really check (id feel stupid if they actually have been posting more then me -_-) on my phone properly. Just suggesting to look at those who scum didnt hit. tldr - hold off the BC/tricode vote and gun for a lesslikely blue inactive ##vote southrawrea vote doublelynch We next hear again from him after the BloodyCobbler/Tricode hit, He is looking for a method to confirm them without lynching. Good if they are greens, but if they are red then he may be covering for his buddies. Places his vote on SouthRawea at the end. On July 24 2010 03:05 bumatlarge wrote: BB infested kills anyone in 1 shot, even vets and anyone who is visitng them Answers with some game facts, helpful but not really pro-town On July 24 2010 12:23 bumatlarge wrote: Oh boo hoo mr 'i just criticize what everyone says alot so i dont have to come up with anything'. if Im so suspicious, why dont you vote for me. Is it because you dont want to put yourself in the spotlight. Helpful advice, even when if you managed to bandwagon against someone with a relatively small initiate paragraph of complete incrimination on someone and they get lynched and people point at you, you will still manage to get away with it because you did that, and DTs wont even check you for it. Im going to have to try that when I get mafia. Meanwhile I am going to go to sleep on my couch and watch TV as I wait til the morning sun 2 days from now. Must be a lame ass planet that liquidville lives on to have 48 hours of light and 24 hours of night. How could you even compensate? I bet they live on tatooine or something More defensive posturing when mentioned, he becomes increasingly more active from this point on. On July 24 2010 12:25 bumatlarge wrote: Oh wow nice, you are a fucking DT magnet citizen. This seemed a little strange to me. A new plan put forth and rather than try and find issues or benefits we get this line... On July 24 2010 12:29 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + Maybe if you mass PM everyone you're ideas you will be above certain players too my youngmini ##Unvote Southlight ##Vote tree.hugger Here we have a lash out at YM but then a vote for tree.hugger. I would have liked an explanation of somekind with this vote, the town needs to know why you are voting the way you are. Still more comments on citizen, but not a single word about the plan, what is this? Claims credit for pointing out this inactive, but has his vote on tree. I just wish we would get more than a couple lines On July 25 2010 03:44 bumatlarge wrote: IMO citizen is 100% confirmed, because if he is scum, he is relying on the other blue KP role being inactive, and if they havent claimed yet, then any others might as well be red. If I was the Blue KP, then citizens 'scum' plan would have gone to complete shit, and we would trade a BlueKP for scum, maybe even a GF. The DT part of his plan doesnt matter in regards to his innocence. The fact that BC is going into detail about the DT part of this confuses me, since the only thing that matters is the other KP role (I think we are relatively assured that tricode is not in cahoots with citizen, as then both KP roles would come forward, and I doubt tricode is red and citizen isnt) So BC, if you're town, you are relying on the other blue coming forward, you would have o be a DT to base all your life around a KPBlue who was supposed to come forward for you, but you just couldnt wait? Is your checked KPBlue afk? Or did you not tell him to come out yet, because you want to back your fellow reds claim to a KPBlue as a DT or something. And the only way that could be denied is if citizen knows both DTs. That makes me think you are scum, very heavily so, since you couldnt make your 'KPBlue' come forward yet, and you are just prepping the scene for your scum buddy to make the claim i guess? Or are you just being difficult for no reason at all when citizen is offering a plan to make both DTs work together, or do you honestly think that both citizen is a stupid red and our other BlueKP is an ignorant retard who cant counter claim properly. Its been roughly a day, and mafia arent that lucky, and i dont see how they would give it a shot after having a nice lead already. ##Unvote tree.hugger ##Vote BloodyC0bbler I think earlier I unvoted southlight, when I meant southrawrea, my bad. Finally some original meaningful content. He believes citi.zen to be 100% confirmed, it is a little early for that. We know now that he was a townie trying an ambitious plan. Now right around this time I was PMing citi.zen so it would be hypocritical of me to judge harshly on this matter. I think this is an issue of the town wanting move forward but lacking the patience to let everyone post. To me this is just an issue of a lack of experience more than anything else On July 25 2010 04:16 bumatlarge wrote: ##Unvote bloodyc0bbler ##vote Southrawarea I think this is like my 5th vote change, sorry BM and sorry south, its for the great good you dirty mafiaso. vote switching again. Really though, this isn't much of a scum tell since scum is usually afraid to be singled out for this. As I said earlier change can be a good thing for town On July 25 2010 07:57 bumatlarge wrote: Very true. BC and Tricode taking advantage seems extremely likely, wish soutrawerea claimed sooner. Chaoser dying does seem silly if south was just a little late on the uptake and a really new player thrust into our world all of a sudden. Killing tricode seems less of a risk then killing a bomber if hes just a vig now, but if hes scum, we can point right at BC for the next red, as they would have had to work this out together to figure this out. I dont wanna force the medic out, but now that three KPs are on the table, it might help if he claimed to someone. I still find it extremely silly for citizen to be red as he wouldnt benefit much from just killing a KP role and he would die eventually. Wants the medic to claim which is worrisome and is pushing checking tricode and supports Citi.zen It could be a case of the Mafia trying to play us if Tricode is actually the red but this seems like a long shot. ... On July 25 2010 08:09 bumatlarge wrote: Also his death would confirm tricode who im guessing they would use they plan to either kill or use their bomb on, which would be convenient if citizen was the IT... hm, cant really come up with a solid solution to get a towny circle out of this, but im just glad our DTs and the medic will get another day to live His death would have cleared Tricode if he hadn't been townie instead. He is now looking at the plan and questions it though voting for southrawea. It could be a case of spreading your votes but I doubt it. On July 25 2010 08:25 bumatlarge wrote: Oh god dammit i cant keep up properly anymore Can someone clear this whole DT situation up before the lynch gets through? And BC callin out citizen on when he posts claiming he picks and chooses when is a dirty tactic, as if you claim you know his schedule and when hes not busy. Thats not the way to go about accusing someone. He defends Citi.zen now but instead of pointing out any facts he defends citi.zens absence. It ended up being very bad luck for the town that Citi.zen chose this time to go awol. The only problem is that he left while making such a big play which isn't wise. Without input from him it makes it hard to know what to beleive On July 25 2010 08:51 bumatlarge wrote: I honestly didnt think of him being the IT up til south came forward, that would give him a good reason to fakeclaim like this I guess, and he could just blow up later. Still he could be telling the truth, id like a clear explanation with the DT claims from him. Asks for an explanation regarding the DT claims, This is a good town play. On July 25 2010 08:55 bumatlarge wrote: Or they are innocent and south is the scum :/ Pushing for doublelynch is a good town play at this point, knowign that the following day we will have some good targets. On July 25 2010 09:20 bumatlarge wrote: You're saying you think BC and South are possibly linked together? Is tricode innocent then and BC just got really lucky? Questions YM's accusations for the first time, but only slightly On July 25 2010 09:55 bumatlarge wrote: Just wanna go over tricodes posts to find something + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2010 07:56 Tricode wrote: From that list above i believe it can be a agreed on a majority is saying we should lynch an inactive. Other then that I don't really feel like we have enough information yet to even try to snipe someone....well unless they're is a very stupid mafia member. On July 18 2010 10:30 Tricode wrote: ##vote abstain Just doing this if I don't make it tomorrow to vote. My dad is spending his last full day at home before he has to leave for a few months for work. Other then that, I do suggest we lynch an inactive. 1.if we keep abstaining cause we are always uncertain of what to do, we will never push to killing and finding a mafia member if we went at that rate. 2. That person who is being inactive is probably useless to us anyways just because they are not doing anything to participate. 3. One of the inactive are likely to be mafia just because there is usually one or two guys that are inactive or just post a little bit just so they can stay alive. Either case, we won't accomplish anything by abstaining, it might even hurt us cause if we keep the option in our head we might use it to much in fear of constantly killing townies/blues and such. So I suggest try keeping abstains as placeholders or if you are truly uncertain in what to do. Otherwise I encourage and highly suggest that we always use our lynches. On July 18 2010 10:45 Tricode wrote: Keep using that reasoning through the whole game. Mind you that there are clever players and mafia will always try to manipulate the game by lying. Add to the equation everyone's fear of being lynched. Then add the fact we have no clues. Mafia don't have to really say anything. You would have to leave the game to a dt (if they find someone and if they come out) to tell you who is red. Then add the fact if that DT is really a dt. But like i said, try using your reasoning through out the whole game if we just kept abstaining cause we aren't sure all the time. On July 21 2010 04:02 Tricode wrote: Hey just finished catching up, sorry for inactivity had to drop my dad off the airport last night and then went to a relatives house. Also every time i refresh or hit next page, it seems like you guys would just add another page on me! There was just so much to read! As for now, I find BrownBear's ideas are unhelpful. Wanting to have our vets reveal themselves. Might be a good plan for other circumstances, but in your one and only example that you gave where your scenario worked, you seemed to have some godly player who was just able to survive for once. That doesn't mean that same scenario can apply here (no offense to you vets). Also this doesn't take the heat off BrownBear for his posts earlier and inactivity especially how BB voted. It seems like you just analyzed a situation real quick came up with a game plan to throw people off your back. I feel you are a better player then how you are presenting yourself this game and I will be awaiting to see more of your responses before making a vote. Also a few of you seem to be causing annoying chaos. I would keep an eye on these people. They could possibly be a mafia member who are trying to be active, but just annoying enough to act like a stupid townie and cause confusion. Like DTA (though he could just think acting like this would keep him alive in the game for what ever purposes he has in mind, even just being a townie that just wants to avoid mafia attention). For w/e reason (I'm desperately looking for a job/Real life shit/ video games) if I am absent for the time being I will vote for BB for how odd he is so far in this game with inactivity, his vote, his suggestion that seems to only distract attention from him, what others have pointed out about him, and I feel he hasn't portrayed himself in this game like he did in the last game I played with him where he had more of a dominate presence that helped the town. My vote will change if there is a better candidate. ##Vote BrownBear On July 22 2010 12:07 Tricode wrote: This is pathetic, it took me a whole freaken day just to catch up to all your posts and even then I had to skim through some of them and the crap that you guys filled it up with. There is just way too much chaos and this game is moving faster then I can keep up. The only reason I see for killing Darth is because his nonsense is causing more confusion to the game more then others, but there are still others who are causing confusion. With this madness I am abstaining so I can watch and see what unfolds. Hopefully everyone can start watching and reading to things more carefully instead of cluster fucking the thread with useless information that does not help the case or killing someone for hindrance reasoning. Though I am believing we are in need of a plan and looking into analyzing what people say more. Though if people like DTA keep their shit up, it will become more difficult to do this cause it is distracting. Also please people don't just see one little action and instantly call out mafia. Try to watch the person and build up a reasonable case. I am betting a portion of you are just confused and not sure what to do and just voting with the crowd or who ever argues the most aggressively. For now I am abstaining my vote like i said, for reasons of just wanting to have a bit more solidness of reasoning in who I pick and vote for. ##unvote ##vote abstain So far he doesn't mention BC once, which I find odd. If he planned on hitting him, it was certainly spur of the moment. Why wouldn't he pick one of the people he mentioned? I also find it weird that he now supports BC :/ sounds fairly wishy washy. On July 23 2010 16:11 Tricode wrote: Yes and now after letting the vigi know you are going to lynch him lol, how do you propose in finding this vig? soft claims vig? On July 23 2010 16:24 Tricode wrote: Meh fine I guess, I will take one for the team. I was the vig. I was aiming at BC Reasons: Who the fuck didn't see it coming from me? Also to the med who protected BC. I hate you with a true passion. When you guys do kill me to prove what I am saying, I will be honest, I tried reading this thread but it is hard with flame wars and ridiculous claims and finger pointing. The person under most of my suspicion is youngminii. From comments he had in the beginning when he seemed afraid that BC was accusing him as being mafia (which BC wasn't). To attacking and finger pointing anyone he had a chance to do so at. Everyone was scummy for what ever lame reason and he tried to push it hard until he could jump to the next person. He jumped a lot from what I can tell. Now knowing all of you, you will probably say what I am saying is B.S. and just lynch me. In which I don't care and go ahead to prove what ever crap you want to believe in. After that I hope you all play well and good luck you will all need it. If for w/e reason i do live. I will contribute w/e and do w/e to help the town, but to be honest I can't really keep up with how much you guys post. Might be just because of personal issues or something i have going on. Also everyone should listen to BC keep him alive as long as possible. I trust him and so should you. You will get your proof of innocence after my death. OK um wow, he says he thinks youngminii is suspicious, and starts saying he doesnt care if he gets lynched, which kinda makes it either seem like an apathetic towny who failed or a really deep scum trying to get away with being a vig, which in itself is pretty ridiculous. Says to trust BC which seems really fishy. Why is he trusting the person he tried to kill? On July 23 2010 16:35 Tricode wrote: And I would of gotten away with it if it wasn't for that meddling medic! God way to ruin everything. Both he and BC play it off like D3 never even accused them of that... On July 23 2010 16:47 Tricode wrote: You are the only one who has figured me out this whole game. Though I guess you don't know me, if you read my earlier posts I mention how I only join mafia games in hopes that one day I can kill BC. Since now I used up my vig, that dream has to remain for another game. Now I am basically a green townie with the vig name. So since I can't kill him might as well not be a true douche about it. What good would advocating his death and lying do? That would be beyond douchey of me if I did. Either case, my dream failed. So you gunned or him because you wanted to, how very untown-like I really dont feel comfortable keeping someone like this around, if there going to put some secret desire to kill someone for fun. And I don't think tricode is some noob player, which is weird. On July 24 2010 11:04 Tricode wrote: ##vote Abstain Place holder. I want to see what everyone says before I place my vote. On July 24 2010 15:55 Tricode wrote: BC seems confident about southrawrea and does have good analysis on him. And I would like to lynch mafia this time round. So Changing my vote ##unvote youngmini ##Vote: southrawrea On July 25 2010 06:50 Tricode wrote: There is only 2kp roles. So it's unlikely that there are 2 mad hatters when I'm the vig. Also instead of defending yourself, you seem to like to show your hard work that is irrelevant to this game and does not prove anything other then your busy. On July 25 2010 06:57 Tricode wrote: You just asked Zek "why don't you suspect citizen", that isn't really a reason why not to look at you still. You were just trying to bounce off your FoS to citizen instead of defending yourself and giving valid reasons in why we should trust you over citizen. Says he agrees with BC, but doesn't change his vote from south to citi, and posts after a little bit. Thats really suspicious in my book when you add everything up. If a mad hatter gets lynched tonight, I think we need to go after this guy. Hopefully one of them put a bomb on BC, because that would help tremendously in figuring some stuff out. Also hope the DT situation gets resolved very soon... Some good analysis here of Tricode's role and how it relates to 2 Hatters. I would say this is a very pro-town move, glad to see Bumatlarge stepping up and dissecting some posts. On July 25 2010 09:58 bumatlarge wrote: Oh wow I missed Citizens vanilla claim the fuck Yeah I think this was nearly everyone's reaction On July 25 2010 10:05 bumatlarge wrote: MH does give him some mafia hit protection as they will be fearful of taking him out, seems pretty straightforward, but he lied to all of us which doesnt make me happy hopefully the real mad hatter comes forward after and bases his towniess on citi, or maybe citi can just say his name or something idk its too confusing...This seems like a good next step, we don't usualy want blues coming forward, but this mess needs cleared up if Ciiti.zen flips green do eet! don't worry Chaoser, I got yelled at first. Hey can we use that as a soft confirm from BM since mafia should be allowed to get away with it. j/k SO much happened during this time, Since he didn't vote for the Citi.zen that definitely gives him a lot of town clout but we have to be wary since we don't know how much vote spreading the mafia was able to pull off. I don't get too many red vibes but I wouldn't say he is a certain townie either. NIGHT 3 (NOW) + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2010 10:18 bumatlarge wrote: Cool, and the DT and mad hatter revealed to him? Guess that DT is getting busy trying to piece together what is happening after the lynch, and how we should proceed We need to act, but I don't think looking to YM to guide the town is the best advice. On July 25 2010 10:21 bumatlarge wrote: Oh im a lurker balls, well the whole day was worth wasting my 1000th Congrats on the Lurker On July 25 2010 11:34 bumatlarge wrote: Awesome, look at all these mafiaso start to panic. Also south, if you are an MH and tricode is the scum instead, I suggest putting your other bomb on him, as zeks seems pretty legit to me. But thats just a suggestion then if he died and BC and you died, a chain reaction would occur, making your death very meaningful. Im just curious to see what the IT will do, since you really dont have to fear him all that much.Good advice, but as has been pointed out telling someone where to put there bombs is dangerous. Though in this case it might make sense to flush out the IT Pushing for action and but still unsure on what the best plan is, and who to trust. let's see how his develops from here on out SUMMARY After going through all these posts we can see some general transitions. We see someone who starts off very inactive the first day, the second day we get a little more and some critical indecision. The Following day we see a massive spike in content and some actual useful content. To me this seems like either a bored townie who jumped in only after the game's action heated up feeling his votes were useless early on, or a mafia who realized he was being targeted and upped his activity. While the letter has some possibility my vote is on the first. He has been trying hard to help the town and weed out mafia while keeping a fairly open mind. If I was to attach a number I would say there is probably a 88% chance that he is a town this game. Hopefully others will be able to use or build on this information. | ||
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## Vote SouthRawea ## Vote BloodyC0bbler ## Vote Double Lynch Well it looks like I was played, my DT was BC. He claimed to have checked me, and that he was DT. This intrigue is too much for me. I am headed to bed as I have been up late the last few nights watching what has been happening and furious at the people trying to vote BC. Now it seems that there is no way BC is legit. If he flips Green or Blue after all this and the subversion kill I think I am done as town doesn't have a chance. If you have any questions for me please let me know and I will answer them in the morning. | ||
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On July 26 2010 23:22 SiNiquity wrote: If BC is red then I'm 99% sure South is not. Reason being
So if BC's clean, then South/Rasta are red. But whatever, the last 2 votes pushed them both to at least 12 (assuming BM's vote tally is correct), so majority's been reached at this point. This is possible but not enough for me to change my second vote. It would be nice to think that I wasn't the only one that got played. | ||
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On July 26 2010 23:27 zeks wrote: lets finish this game quickly so we can all go play sc2 I have taken off work for the rest of the week (other than today) so I can get some play time in :D | ||
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On July 27 2010 00:06 youngminii wrote: Oh my God I'm installing the game now. God it's taking too long, I just want to play! All you people who hate me will be relieved as I'll be a lot less active than I was. I expect to see BC and SouthRawrea lynched the next time I check though, will be strange if something goes wrong. Now the real question... To play campaign or to play ladder... I think ti is too late it looks like BC, South, and 2x lynch have all passed with majority. | ||
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On July 27 2010 00:54 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: oh whew i missed that. my 3 was off anyway cause amber and d3 voted after Bill's vote count Does this mean that if we can get one person to hold off voting untill the last minute we can still get the entire time to plan??? | ||
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On July 28 2010 07:01 Pandain wrote: Should've included this in previous post but it's important. Rastaban and SouthRawarer please post the pms both sent and received from/to Bloody Cobblar. Here they are. This is the last PM I received, I haven't heard back sense. it starts with the one from him of course. + Show Spoiler + Hold on your vote for now. I will let you know who to vote for. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: GRRRR Citizen ended up as green. I guess we should lynch SouthRawea then since zeks claim looks more legitimate. What do you think. Thanks, ----------------------------------------- Original Message: hmmm looks like there is a counter claim now. If we lynch citi.zen then he is confirmed and he already has passed our message on. If he is red no harm done and we get mafia ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I heard back from Citi.zen, do you think it is legit?: A third DT claim did show up. Which is good - more people are giving themselves up. I will need the name of your Dt when you are satisfied there is no counter claim against me. My DT can then check one of the two and find the real one as well as the red. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Yeah send it ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Below is what I am going to send ti Citi.zen, is it ok? Wow, I did't expect that much to go down last night. I think you might have just given us the break town needed to turn this around. I believe at this point if someone was going to claim they would have. The DT felt the same way so I was asked to go ahead and move forward with contacting you. Let me know what we should do next. Thanks, ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Not sure on Citi.zen Let him know you are a mouth but don't give my name uhg, I checked foolishness night 1 ----------------------------------------- Original Message: So your our DT. What do you think of Citi.zen's plan? It looks like he has found a way to give town the edge. Who did you check night before last? Let me know what you think we should do Thanks, ----------------------------------------- Original Message: So, I checked you last night. You flipped town I was up till 7:30 am last night playing SC2, but I will try and still stay active here. + Show Spoiler + By the way, best RTS campaign ever, I think I am just about half way) | ||
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I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more. Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one. | ||
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On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote: please consider misder also! though i think both of your above are very good options as well Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well. | ||
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On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote: Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose. I posted the answer a while ago, here is the link. On July 29 2010 16:01 Protactinium wrote: To be honest, when I was thinking about this through since it was a clutch situation in trying to keep Subversion from being lynched, I left the Suicide Bomber out of all my calculations. Still though, I've always been taught it's best to target Mafia early on, since that at least forces them to defend themselves / have their teammates help defend them, which is what brought SouthRawrea and BloodyC0bbler out in this game. With 2 KP Mafia is still deadly, since Medics are pretty ineffective. At this point, I remember something: d3_crescentia, you said you were protected by a Medic night 1. However, Night 3 only one person (Subversion) died and nobody claimed a hit. I'm assuming a double stack. However, if you were hit and protected then you're as good as town confirmed, since no Vigilante tried to hit you (why would they night 1)? After that, as a focal town player you should have been forming circles. I'm not saying you haven't, but why haven't you been posting other than here and there? And if you had a circle, logically it should have included some people in it. Maybe I'm being completely played by PM Land, but it seems you've been too quiet for somebody of your "stature." Looks like I may need to check D3's posts as well... | ||
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Does anybody actually read the stuff I post??  Here they are I put them up earlier when Pandain requested them here is the LinkAlso I wanted to respond to the last part of this. On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote: Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose. I didn't lie, I merely passed on the information I believed to be correct. This game we have seen BloodyC0bbler, Zeks, Citi.zen, Pandain, SouthRawea, and Subversion all lie and it has caused us no end of trouble. In fact you also came forward without a DT because you were lied to as well. This is why you lynch all liars. | ||
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On July 29 2010 17:19 youngminii wrote: You know what's funny, I don't believe BC false claimed to you. I believe you're scum and you pulled that out of your ass after you saw that you were in a tight spot because your DT claim went wrong. You saw the BC and SouthRawrea were both royally fucked and you knew bussing them was the obvious way to go. So instead of simply bussing them like a normal person, you pinned BC for your fake DT claim. Notice how he doesn't respond? ##Unvote Chaoser ##Vote rastaban What you are saying doesn't make sense because as you just said the bussing does invite scrutiny. Why would mafia risk another player, when they didn't have to? Also if the mafia was going to risk a player it would be the IT, as he wouldn't have needed to claim anyone as a DT. Remember you were in the same situation I was in, being lied to by someone claiming DT, should we be voting you. Also why would he have responded? You expect the mafia to admit to lying, wow that sure would make mafia a lot easier. He would have been more likely to try and get you to believe he had sent them if he was mafia. In fact ignoring them makes them more legitimate because he know he couldn't defend against them. Of course, that gets into WIFOM so take it for what it is worth. | ||
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