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On July 25 2010 06:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 06:31 zeks wrote:On July 25 2010 06:25 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 25 2010 06:17 zeks wrote:
#vote SouthRawrea
Mafia is essentially against a wall so they pushed their most inactive member out to die
How does that make any sense mafia is against a wall so they sacrificed someone who was going to be lynched anyway? if southrawrea is red it doesn't buy the mafia any extra time if he gets lynched 1. His claim is an effort to save himself and get our main man citi.zen killed in the process 2. SouthRawrea is obviously expendable 3. Town organization is becoming a LEGIT THREAT - we've forced the action on them so now they came up with an aggressive reply with South claiming. Scum probably wrote his posts up for him rofl Okay, I can see this line of thinking now. However, so far 1, seems to be backfiring since South has already garnered several votes. And i doubt he had his posts written for him; they're not persuasive at all. Put yourself in the mafias shoes. If citizen is really the hatter, how would you disrupt the plan? The strategies i detailed in my longish post on page 96 (i think its 96) involving false DT claims would be much more powerful and harder to combat than sending out SouthRawrea to meekly claim that he's the real Mad Hatter. Like I said before, never assume the mafia are idiots. The other possibility no one has mentioned is that BC and Tricode are both red and we have 2 Hatters (possible yes... realistic probably not)
Oh wow.. never even considered 2 hatters... uh...
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On July 25 2010 06:50 Tricode wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 06:47 SouthRawrea wrote:On July 25 2010 06:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 25 2010 06:31 zeks wrote:On July 25 2010 06:25 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 25 2010 06:17 zeks wrote:
#vote SouthRawrea
Mafia is essentially against a wall so they pushed their most inactive member out to die
How does that make any sense mafia is against a wall so they sacrificed someone who was going to be lynched anyway? if southrawrea is red it doesn't buy the mafia any extra time if he gets lynched 1. His claim is an effort to save himself and get our main man citi.zen killed in the process 2. SouthRawrea is obviously expendable 3. Town organization is becoming a LEGIT THREAT - we've forced the action on them so now they came up with an aggressive reply with South claiming. Scum probably wrote his posts up for him rofl Okay, I can see this line of thinking now. However, so far 1, seems to be backfiring since South has already garnered several votes. And i doubt he had his posts written for him; they're not persuasive at all. Put yourself in the mafias shoes. If citizen is really the hatter, how would you disrupt the plan? The strategies i detailed in my longish post on page 96 (i think its 96) involving false DT claims would be much more powerful and harder to combat than sending out SouthRawrea to meekly claim that he's the real Mad Hatter. Like I said before, never assume the mafia are idiots. The other possibility no one has mentioned is that BC and Tricode are both red and we have 2 Hatters (possible yes... realistic probably not) Oh wow.. never even considered 2 hatters... uh... There is only 2kp roles. So it's unlikely that there are 2 mad hatters when I'm the vig. Also instead of defending yourself, you seem to like to show your hard work that is irrelevant to this game and does not prove anything other then your busy.
I just defended myself against zeks didn't I D
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On July 25 2010 06:57 Tricode wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 06:53 SouthRawrea wrote:On July 25 2010 06:50 Tricode wrote:On July 25 2010 06:47 SouthRawrea wrote:On July 25 2010 06:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 25 2010 06:31 zeks wrote:On July 25 2010 06:25 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 25 2010 06:17 zeks wrote:
#vote SouthRawrea
Mafia is essentially against a wall so they pushed their most inactive member out to die
How does that make any sense mafia is against a wall so they sacrificed someone who was going to be lynched anyway? if southrawrea is red it doesn't buy the mafia any extra time if he gets lynched 1. His claim is an effort to save himself and get our main man citi.zen killed in the process 2. SouthRawrea is obviously expendable 3. Town organization is becoming a LEGIT THREAT - we've forced the action on them so now they came up with an aggressive reply with South claiming. Scum probably wrote his posts up for him rofl Okay, I can see this line of thinking now. However, so far 1, seems to be backfiring since South has already garnered several votes. And i doubt he had his posts written for him; they're not persuasive at all. Put yourself in the mafias shoes. If citizen is really the hatter, how would you disrupt the plan? The strategies i detailed in my longish post on page 96 (i think its 96) involving false DT claims would be much more powerful and harder to combat than sending out SouthRawrea to meekly claim that he's the real Mad Hatter. Like I said before, never assume the mafia are idiots. The other possibility no one has mentioned is that BC and Tricode are both red and we have 2 Hatters (possible yes... realistic probably not) Oh wow.. never even considered 2 hatters... uh... There is only 2kp roles. So it's unlikely that there are 2 mad hatters when I'm the vig. Also instead of defending yourself, you seem to like to show your hard work that is irrelevant to this game and does not prove anything other then your busy. I just defended myself against zeks didn't I D You just asked Zek "why don't you suspect citizen", that isn't really a reason why not to look at you still. You were just trying to bounce off your FoS to citizen instead of defending yourself and giving valid reasons in why we should trust you over citizen.
What I was implying was a mafia partnership going on and honestly if there really is only one Mad Hatter. It's either me or him. FOS is on both of us. I was merely FOSing Zeks as well. Now I could ask why doesn't Citizen give reasons to trust him but I'll humour you here. There are no real reasons why you should trust anybody as that is an unreasonable question. All you can do in mafia is show why the other person is guilty. It's like court without any evidence for the defense to use. I'm trustworthy because everything I've said so far is consistent though. I think it's best really to wait for citizen to come on to say something because so far he's been much too quiet. I know how that is though.. might be busy at the moment.
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Let's wait t'ill he gets on and let the accusations come on to me? I've deflected Zek's to a point where it seems possible that he's in cahoots with citizen. No one has really raised a case against me yet except for inactivity. which I've explained already.
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Just as extra confirmation that he is the Hatter. If he says something stupid that would make no sense like placing a bomb on someone that is most likely a blue carelessly then I get him for the scumslip obviously.
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On July 25 2010 07:18 lakrismamma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 04:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Thanks for appearing after I went to sleep, its nice to know I get to wake up to stuff like this.
Now, if you read the bolded text you can easily see a mistake in your reasoning. In the case of multiple DT mouths talking to citizen, rather than him clear his legimacy, your having him instant 100% cleared and his dt clears the others....If he is red, you just handed him the entire dt list, good job. Best plan so far. IF he is legit, we have no way of proving this. Regardless, your plan requires 100% trust pretty well in him.
As for why I haven't analyzed misder? So what? I opted to snag people I saw obviously coasting/acting scummy. You know, rather than fingering me for who I didn't analyze, maybe you should spend time analyzing said person. Hell if you think you believe they are scum, maybe you should give a reason why other than "I think"
Trying to put suspicion on me for who I didn't analyze is like saying "You contributed, but because your scum list and mine don't overlap 100% you must be red" instead of contributing yourself.
¨ Citi.zen was cleared if no other claimed mad hatter. If he is clear then his DT should be clear if it is as he says? Now the situation is different. Misder was more of an observation. Im not so sure you are mafia now. Since I get to choose between citi.zen and Southrawrea south is far more likely and that would prove you right, Will you believe in citi.zen if South turns out red? Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 05:24 SouthRawrea wrote:
Look..I've been busy for the past few days anyways. Do you want me to go take a picture of everything that I've been doing in the backyard in the pouring rain? Just one yes is all I need. This is my first time ever playing a forum mafia game and I'm not used to this way of posting extremely long posts and having every single word scrutinized. The few times I've played the game people would say their reports, and chat in a chatbox. Not to mention this is filled with much more text. I've never even encountered the Mad Hatter role. If you look at the game EpicMafia, although they have like 50 roles, they don't have a single one that I know of that resembles the one in this game. I figured that it was a town-favoured role that was only supposed to be used later in the game when you had a higher chance of hitting the mafia with your bombs. Hence why I only placed one on the person I was most suspicious of at the time. What we could be doing here is giving citi.zen all the info he needs if he is mafia to win the game for that side. DT claims especially. Sure play the newbie card. What you really is trying to do here is make citi tell where he has his bombs right? Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 05:48 SouthRawrea wrote:
Not sure how this is completely representative of all my posts. You're missing a few actually. The type of mafia I'm used to is more fast paced and over a short period of time. I'm not entirely good with the analytical thing where you link the posts of people from 50 pages back and stuff which is what the "better" players seem to be doing.
Also at citi.zen if you really are the Mad Hatter, why not announce who you placed your bombs on? If they're really innocent, no problemo and if they're mafia they'll think twice about shooting you and we have someone to lead. WTF!! This is so mafia why should he tell where he placed his bombs. Only mafia has the need to know if the bombs are placed on them or not. You practicly told us you are mafia. ##unvote
##vote southrawrea
Also.. fine go show me where I last played a forum mafia game.. right nowhere. Now this is where WIFOM comes into play. If I were mafia, and not a noob as you claim, wouldn't I know that it would be scummy to ask for where the bombs are placed if he really was the Hatter? More substance less jumping to conclusions please.
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On July 25 2010 07:29 lakrismamma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 03:52 SouthRawrea wrote:
So far I've been trying to slip under the radar so I don't get lynched early on or killed at night. I've actually only placed one bomb thus far as I was a little hesitant to kill place two people at risk even if I suspect them. My only one at the moment is on chaoser but that was placed yesterday after seeing that he didn't get lynched. I decided to abstain from placing a second bomb because of the first vote placed on me by Bumat... I felt threatened. :/
## Vote Citizen for now Wow I didn't see this until now. Why would he vote for now when its either him or citi.zen that is mafia. Notice where all the signs are pointing people!
Why would I say "for now" if I were mafia? Neither makes sense. I just wanted to make it sound a bit dramatic. You know.. like... The supervillain is thwarted.. for now.
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On July 25 2010 07:29 youngminii wrote:
This is ridiculous, I can't believe this many people are actually voting for citi.zen. Let me say it one more time.
There is more information to be gained if SouthRawr is lynched than if citi.zen is lynched. Also, you are a mafia noob, not just a mafia, not just a noob.
That's not the only factor involved though. There is also likelihood based on who we're associating with. Don't we gain info on three total deaths if citi.zen is the mad hatter? There is much more potential info there then the 2 people we know will show up if I die. Also, if I were the mafia how do you gain info on Chaoser? Your supposed evidence that you gain is all circumstantial because of the nature of WIFOM. You sir are and idiot  .
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On July 25 2010 07:33 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 06:20 chaoser wrote:
You know, I was thinking. The worst case scenario that could happen is SouthRawrea is Bomber, me and him die. Citi.zen is suicide bomber, has blues to hit, kills a bunch. I'm still ready to die with southrawrea, just saying... I would just like to quote this again for people who are like, if south flips MH, we can just kill citi.zen the next day. If he's suicide bomber, it doesn't matter
On July 25 2010 07:37 zeks wrote:
I will personally vote for citi.zen first as soon as the next day starts if SR flips anything other than red.
Way to post something after it has been proven to be an invalid option.
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On July 25 2010 07:44 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 07:38 SouthRawrea wrote:On July 25 2010 07:29 youngminii wrote:
This is ridiculous, I can't believe this many people are actually voting for citi.zen. Let me say it one more time.
There is more information to be gained if SouthRawr is lynched than if citi.zen is lynched. Also, you are a mafia noob, not just a mafia, not just a noob. That's not the only factor involved though. There is also likelihood based on who we're associating with. Don't we gain info on three total deaths if citi.zen is the mad hatter? There is much more potential info there then the 2 people we know will show up if I die. Also, if I were the mafia how do you gain info on Chaoser? Your supposed evidence that you gain is all circumstantial because of the nature of WIFOM. You sir are and idiot . Mad hatter bomb deaths don't give any information. They give NOTHING. They are just needless deaths and bombs should be saved for the late game. Also, do you know what WIFOM means? I gave solid evidence linking you and chaoser, there's nothing WIFOM or circumstantial about it.
I'm saying if I were mafia what if I were just chose someone random so that when I died and it showed I was mafia, people like you would jump on Chaoser's vote. Or if I were mafia and chose Chaoser but pretended it was someone random so that I could refute your argument like this. Or if I were mafia and chose someone random but pretended to choose Chaoser -> someone random so you would lynch them. You go around claiming people are noobs but it seems to me you're the real noob here.
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On July 25 2010 08:01 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:00 chaoser wrote:On July 25 2010 07:57 bumatlarge wrote:
I still find it extremely silly for citizen to be red as he wouldnt benefit much from just killing a KP role and he would die eventually. It's not silly if he is Suicide Bomber and in the rush of his claim, blues claimed to him. Then when the real one comes forward, hopefully the real one gets lynched, bombs go off, lots of people die. Now he gets to laugh and blow himself up with a few blues. Yeah let's all just go find the smallest, tiniest possibilities and argue from that point of view.
It's not small if you consider the fact that the mafia would most likely send their Suicide Bomber forward to claim other than some random because he can blow people up after he gets the votes to go his way which is simple with your mafia crew voting with you?
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On July 25 2010 08:06 zeks wrote:
Someone explain to me how citi.zen can take out multiple roles - maybe I'm missing something here
He doesn't need to be medic protected
He's been DT checked?
Allegedly DT checked ACCORDING TO HIM.. which means nothing lol. Nice.
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brb heading to a relative's house.. I'll be posting there.. I'd love to refute your post young but can't atm.
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Back. Grandparents wanted me to eat even though I already did >.>
I really don't understand how Youngminii thinks all his arguments are perfect. You're saying things that are illogical. Why would the mafia want to save me if I'm the "noobie mafia" that you say that I am.
On July 25 2010 08:07 youngminii wrote:
I call upon every player in this game to vote for either citi.zen or South. One of them is confirmed mafia. There is no hiding under this "I think they're all innocent" nonsense. Pick one.
But more importantly, pick SouthRawrea.
There are four possible outcomes:
If we lynch citi.zen the Mafia: Then we've taken out one red. We have a town member to form a circle around (SouthRawrea), and this player is 100% new to forum mafia.
If we lynch citi.zen the Mad Hatter: Then ASSUMING citi.zen's already given the second DT party (his inactivity cough) AND if we rule out the possibility of TWO DT groups claiming to him, then we have a town circle with a DT. Two people needlessly die and if you all really think that citi.zen's scumhunting abilities are so good, then why don't you trust him on his SouthRawrea hunt?
If we lynch Southrawrea the Mafia: Then we gain a whole load of information with many implications (unfortunately no one listens to me anymore). We've got BC backed into a corner, we've got chaoser (imo) and a few more, AND we have a huge townie group with TWO DTs working together.
If we lynch Southrawrea the Mad Hatter: Then chaoser dies. Only one death compared to two if citi.zen's Mad Hatter. I do think he's mafia and maybe you would too (directed at tree.hugger) if you got off your high horse and read my analysis posts once in a while.
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God I can't believe how fast you all just follow tree.hugger's bias 'situation report'.
This especially.
Even if I am 100% new, I can pick up pretty quick especially if I get this circle to help me out. Also, we get rid of one of the mafia's top members who could possibly have power over the DTs if he really got those claims.
If he's blue, he should at least tell us if one of his bomb targets at this time is me so that the vilage knows what voting him would do. We then have many scum to pick on as you have pointed out so well. (Chaoser for example) and we get me supposing that I am mafia.
If I'm mafia, I as well as a few others have already said why your line of reasoning was wrong. We do in fact gain more info from killing citizen as mafia rather than me.
If I'm town, we get Chaoser who you ALREADY believe is red and we still have our Mad Hatter to place bombs while being directed by a new town circle. As well, because I'm such a noob, mafia may be reluctant to kill me immediately tonight which gives us a chance to get order in the town.
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I don't have to LEAD completely. Once I have a few confirmed people in a town circle, I can check if what I'm doing is good or bad with them.
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So I never quite caught on to this but what was this entire Double lynch movement about?
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Nice last ditch attempt to sway people.
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Also, Pandain, you must post the contents of our PMs. They're of the utmost importance for tommorow if I die tonight.
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He could be trying to setup mafia to be credible in the future by claiming that they are these people.
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On July 25 2010 09:36 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 09:35 SouthRawrea wrote:
Also, Pandain, you must post the contents of our PMs. They're of the utmost importance for tommorow if I die tonight. Oh yeah, turns out he's not just canadian but also canadian-korean.
Boom case and point. Now we wait.
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