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On July 22 2010 13:48 youngminii wrote:
Okay this is going to be my last post about this topic because it's getting stupid and out of hand (and mostly fueled by me). I never said I was an automatically confirmed town, I said it bought me credibility. Any of you saying 'bah he's an idiot it doesn't mean anything' are mistaken, as it buys me a CERTAIN DEGREE of credibility. /end
No. It doesn't. And the fact that you keep insisting that it does, doesn't.
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On July 23 2010 14:56 youngminii wrote:
I think everyone has to take a step back and stop putting all their faith into BC's claim. In the game I played previously (Godfather mafia) I was DT and I claimed because I had found the Godfather. However, people were still wary of my claim and if I was in fact, scum false claiming then scum would have won the game 100%.
You have to take in the whole picture and think about the possibility that BC is false claiming. He could just be claiming as it'll give him instant 'credibility'. He could be claiming to derail the flame war that happened between me, infundiblusdcxum and chaoser (which my paranoid little self is tending to learn towards). He could be claiming to just create confusion within the town. He could be claiming because mafia have this awesome scheme planned for the game ahead of us. Or his claim can be real.
Just don't forget the possibility of his claim being fake. Don't rush to form any PM trust circles with him. There's quite a chance he's Godfather and that he chose Vet from the start if he's going to make such a bold false claim.
I agree. Two points to keep in mind:
1) He said he took a hit. Doesn't say how he was saved (i.e. medic protection or veteran). If the former then he's in the clear, but there's no way for Roffles to verify that. If the latter then we're no better (or no worse) off than before.
2) Vigi could step up and claim considering they're effectively vanilla townie now. We can couple these two events (i.e. who the vigi hit and why) with BC's claim and work from there. I think we can semi-confirm BC by lynching the vigi (if necessary) especially since there's no real way that the mafia would've known that three hits were going down tonight; though not necessarily vice versa. It'd be especially good for us if BC was protected (not survived) last night as we could get some real organization going down.
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On July 23 2010 14:50 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 14:48 chaoser wrote:
I do however know that a Vigi hit SOMEONE tonight. That Vigi should claim since they are regular townie now and say who they hit and why. Mafia doesn't gain anything from them claiming, I think. Also, if it's a false claim, real Vigi can always claim as well and then we have a 1 v 1. Either way, one mafia is dying if they fake claim. I'm also going to go to sleep but I feel I have enough evidence to compile a case against someone by tomorrow morning There's no way of us knowing whether or not the claim is true or false. There may or may not be one or two Vigis and even then 2 scum can step up and counter claim.
I actually disagree here. If 2 scum step up and counterclaim it exposes them in the open under public scrutiny. We can lynch the first claimant (the one who fired the shot) and see if he told the truth. Then we can have the other two shoot each other during the night with their vigi shots. If neither of them dies then we know they're both lying.
Also, it seems like an incredibly BAD idea for a townie to claim vigi at all, period.
What will be more likely is that the vigi will claim, no one will contest and the mafia will take out the vigi during the night to prevent any new information from being introduced into the game.
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On July 23 2010 15:29 SiNiquity wrote:
Hmm interesting. So BC is either a Veteran or was protected by the remaining medic (orr Medics can protect the night they're killed, and Roffles protected BC). Is that last one even possible?
Think so. Problem is that Roffles isn't around to contest it.
But, as I said, if the vigi stepped up and said something it could drastically drop down BC's chances of being mafia, if we confirmed the vig by lynch. I realize this would be super-unhappy-times for the vig. =[
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On July 23 2010 15:32 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 15:29 SiNiquity wrote:
Hmm interesting. So BC is either a Veteran or was protected by the remaining medic (orr Medics can protect the night they're killed, and Roffles protected BC). Is that last one even possible? i would assume it is but this is a very important question. BM is that possible?
I think all night actions are resolved at the same time. I think there have been instances where it's happened in the past.
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On July 23 2010 15:36 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 15:27 d3_crescentia wrote:On July 23 2010 14:50 youngminii wrote:On July 23 2010 14:48 chaoser wrote:
I do however know that a Vigi hit SOMEONE tonight. That Vigi should claim since they are regular townie now and say who they hit and why. Mafia doesn't gain anything from them claiming, I think. Also, if it's a false claim, real Vigi can always claim as well and then we have a 1 v 1. Either way, one mafia is dying if they fake claim. I'm also going to go to sleep but I feel I have enough evidence to compile a case against someone by tomorrow morning There's no way of us knowing whether or not the claim is true or false. There may or may not be one or two Vigis and even then 2 scum can step up and counter claim. I actually disagree here. If 2 scum step up and counterclaim it exposes them in the open under public scrutiny. We can lynch the first claimant (the one who fired the shot) and see if he told the truth. Then we can have the other two shoot each other during the night with their vigi shots. If neither of them dies then we know they're both lying. Also, it seems like an incredibly BAD idea for a townie to claim vigi at all, period. What will be more likely is that the vigi will claim, no one will contest and the mafia will take out the vigi during the night to prevent any new information from being introduced into the game. If BC is lying, then there were only 2 hits last night. If there were only 2 hits last night, then no Vigilante fired a shot (unless Mafia stacked, but this seems highly unlikely). Therefore when we call for a Vigilante to claim, some Mafia could claim it worry-free, since no one else could claim it. Worse yet, this Mafia member that claimed could be Godfather and have picked the Vigilante role, so there's no way to know there either (or BC is GF under the guise of a Veteran). Thus both the claiming Vigilante and BC would need to be checked. If neither were Mafia, only then would we know for sure.
We can't afford to check these people until the bomber is dead, at least by DT - because the Mafia would know we'd be checking them and then just get a two-fer. And by stepping forward it becomes difficult for the Medic to protect-confirm as the Mafia wouldn't want to target them anymore.
It's possible to confirm them by lynching the vigi (depending on who he shot at and a few other factors). Then there won't be any mafia incentive to claim the vigi role.
It's not the most optimal plan, so I'd really appreciate some input for a better alternative.
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On July 23 2010 15:52 SiNiquity wrote:
Right. But there's .. *double checks BM's post* 12 townies, 7 blues remaining. So the Vigi revealing gives the Mafia a 6/18 (33.33%) chance instead of 6/19 (31.58%) chance for hitting a "real blue."
But there's gotta be some other catch I'm missing. Or maybe I'm just wary of people roleclaiming in general which is why I'm getting that "vibe" from this plan.
Don't think there's any real reason why mafia would be operating by chance. I feel like they're just trying to snipe blues, or people that would be useful.
If the vigi reveals themselves + target, we can lynch them to confirm this information. Targeting Roffles or Jayme would reduce chances of BC being mafia since the mafia had no way of planning to put in one or two hits. One thing stands in the way of that, and that's BC's abilities to fake it.
If BC himself was targeted by the vigi, then simply by lynching the vigi we can make some clear conclusions about BC. I don't really see the mafia making a fake claim if they know we're going to do this, considering that a 1-1 trade for them isn't very good, though it is possible they'd do this. If the vigi really DID flip blue, then it's harder to say but I believe it would semi-confirm BC.
Am I making sense? I'm not sure I am. It's late.
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On July 23 2010 16:11 Tricode wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 16:07 d3_crescentia wrote:On July 23 2010 15:52 SiNiquity wrote:
Right. But there's .. *double checks BM's post* 12 townies, 7 blues remaining. So the Vigi revealing gives the Mafia a 6/18 (33.33%) chance instead of 6/19 (31.58%) chance for hitting a "real blue."
But there's gotta be some other catch I'm missing. Or maybe I'm just wary of people roleclaiming in general which is why I'm getting that "vibe" from this plan. Don't think there's any real reason why mafia would be operating by chance. I feel like they're just trying to snipe blues, or people that would be useful. If the vigi reveals themselves + target, we can lynch them to confirm this information. Targeting Roffles or Jayme would reduce chances of BC being mafia since the mafia had no way of planning to put in one or two hits. One thing stands in the way of that, and that's BC's abilities to fake it. If BC himself was targeted by the vigi, then simply by lynching the vigi we can make some clear conclusions about BC. I don't really see the mafia making a fake claim if they know we're going to do this, considering that a 1-1 trade for them isn't very good, though it is possible they'd do this. If the vigi really DID flip blue, then it's harder to say but I believe it would semi-confirm BC. Am I making sense? I'm not sure I am. It's late. Yes and now after letting the vigi know you are going to lynch him lol, how do you propose in finding this vig?
*shrug* which is why I said it's not the best idea. Honestly it just relies on him recognizing that it would be better for the town to know 100% factual information than stay in the game. Obviously it'd be better if we could verify him some other way.
Key point to remember is that after the vigi took a shot there's no reason to hide it because he can't do anything anymore except provide the information on his shot.
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wait what
that post doesn't even make sense
you aimed at BC but you don't want him to die? why the hell would you do that
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On July 23 2010 16:35 Tricode wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 16:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 23 2010 16:29 d3_crescentia wrote:
wait what
that post doesn't even make sense
you aimed at BC but you don't want him to die? why the hell would you do that Ask fishball, hes done it to me once in the past. And I would of gotten away with it if it wasn't for that meddling medic! God way to ruin everything.
what the hell; these kinds of shenanigans are better reserved for Day 1 when it matters less
so this leads to a small problem where BC could still be mafia and have gotten protected - mafia cannot target their own so a medic protect would have never occurred, but since it DID occur and against a vig-hit it leaves BC's alignment still under question
as I said before if someone has a better plan of verifying Tricode/BC discuss away, because I don't want to lose townies we don't have to lose
bedtiem
p.s. tricode I wub you~
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what the hell is wrong with you people
STOP VOTING DOUBLE LYNCH UNLESS WE HAVE GOOD CANDIDATES TO DO IT WITH; OTHERWISE WE JUST END UP KILLING OURSELVES FASTER
##vote: Tricode
##vote: infundibulum
all of the votes from yesterday's for double and today's for double should seriously be considered and reanalyzed, because we are just wasting our time here and will (likely) waste our lynches unless we get some real analysis going
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On July 24 2010 11:04 Bill Murray wrote:
d3, you voted for two people in the same post when there is a single lynch today, pick one, or i will pick one for you.
siniquity, see the above post where you may not vote for double lynch without voting abstain.
oh so for some reason I thought double lynch had passed for today and not for tomorrow
##vote: abstain
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On July 24 2010 12:05 citi.zen wrote:
Ok, let's blow this taco stand.
I am a mad hatter. I am part of a dt circle. I would love to help the two dt's connect. Here's how we can do it:
1. Wait to see if there is a counter claim against me and Tricode, since together we should account for the 2 town Kp roles. If there isn't, we are both confirmed. If there is, we have a red player.
2. The other dt asks a confirmed person they checked to contact me. If more than one person comes forward I will ask the dt to claim. This way, if the mafia decide to fake claim we have two reds, not just one.
3. The two DTs, remaining publicly anonymous, are in contact. We give ourselves a chance to win.
Well shit on a shit sandwich, we might actually be going somewhere.
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On July 24 2010 12:33 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 12:27 d3_crescentia wrote:On July 24 2010 11:04 Bill Murray wrote:
d3, you voted for two people in the same post when there is a single lynch today, pick one, or i will pick one for you.
siniquity, see the above post where you may not vote for double lynch without voting abstain. oh so for some reason I thought double lynch had passed for today and not for tomorrow ##vote: abstain If there are 13 votes for abstaining, then we accidentally end the day, correct? Please don't vote at all, or throw your placeholder vote on someone who is not going to carry the day in the end. For example, I'll add to the double lynch. ##Vote Xelin (Haha, where has he been?) ## Vote Double Lynch
oh I guess this IS a majority lynch game as well
##vote: ~opz~
sorry, it's been a long-ass day
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On July 25 2010 02:16 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 02:12 Subversion wrote:
chaoser why do all your posts look like quotes?
just to avoid modkill threats, ill do this for now.
##vote: abstain Really? Post some for me please. I'm sure I can find more posts by me that aren't "quotes".
This is a quote.
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On July 25 2010 02:23 BrownBear wrote:
It's ok to quote and build off the quote with a lot of new content. It's not okay to quote and post 2 or 3 lines not really adding much. I think what d3 is saying is that most of your posts are examples of the latter type of posting.
This is a derail.
Also please don't presume to speak for me.
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What the fuck is this shit. We should have lynched either Tricode or BC today, because we have no idea if BC is confirmed town, and then all of this shit happened. In fact given the amount of misinformation that's flying around in this thread it can become unmanageable and frustrating to try and figure things out right away.
Claims that need to be resolved:
- BC/Tricode
- zeks/Southrawrea
- Pandain/Amber[Light]/youngminii
Since we have three claimants (Tricode/South/zeks) then we need to avoid overlapping kills if it so happens we have two bombers. Since zeks has claimed to have bombs on BC/South, South should put his remaining bomb on Tricode (chaoser?? what even makes you think he's a THREAT, for fucks sake). We then lynch both of them. I'd rather all of the above die and have our DTs check other targets rather than waste any more time trying to figure these things out.
Yes, I realize that this 1-for-3 trade is terrible. I don't really give a shit, though, because it's time to play hardball.
Something is especially not right here, considering citizen's claims that he was also DT checked. But then if our claimant checked Amber and young, when could they have checked citizen? I don't like this.
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Screw it.
##vote: Southrawrea
##vote: BloodyC0bbler
It's possible that they double-stacked on Subversion, since it seems no one's stepping up to claim the second hit. In fact I'm pretty sure this is the case.
Tomorrow we'll have another double-lynch, and zeks should be moving his bombs to other mafia candidates. If we lose, we lose - but let's at least go out with a bang.
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EBWOP: For clarity,
##vote: Southrawrea
##vote: BloodyC0bbler
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Bill update your game please
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EPT
