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This is exactly how the mafia would react in this given situation: Kill of citi.zen then have everyone back out into a corner and defend themselves like chaoser is doing right now.
No, you will not be spared. Also, I like my hit list and I will keep it that way. Also, if citi.zen is telling the truth and SouthRawr is not, then Tricode is almost definitely also telling the truth, hence Tricode should not be on the list.
BC SouthRawrea Chaoser Infundibuxdlgxcubum Pandain (Claimed DT) Amber[Light] (Pandain claimed to have checkd him) Tree.hugger (moved tree.hugger to the bottom 'cause it's likely he's just bad town)
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On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming  Okay I guess I could ease up a bit . In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list? Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that.
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On July 25 2010 10:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:31 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 25 2010 10:27 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:25 chaoser wrote:You can hit me if you want, I'mma flip green. Either way, I'mma go get my popcorn cause youngminii is hellbent on killing me  This is exactly what I am hellbent on doing. I'm just going to be spamming the list until this game ends. BC SouthRawrea Chaoser Infundibuxdlgxcubum Pandain (Claimed DT) Amber[Light] (Pandain claimed to have checkd him) Tree.hugger (moved tree.hugger to the bottom 'cause it's likely he's just bad town) Young, you know that if South is blue, the mafia spread their votes across both lists and let the town fight over the lynch. Sure, yeah okay. I'm serious; stop being a dick. If South is blue then Day 3 was perfect for mafia. They have 1-2 people come out and argue for lynching citizen (someone like BC, tree hugger, or me) and a couple others to start the wagon on South (e.g. you, zeks, or lakrismamma). The town just eats up the bullshit since a mafia was never in danger of getting lynched due to citizen fronting for the mad hatter rather than actually being the mad hatter. Basically the entire duality of Citi/South was thrown because citizen was not the role he said he was, so instead of being at Citi/South/Tricode we're at South/Tricode/Mystery Player. We can still trust citi.zen that the Mystery Player exists, BECAUSE citi.zen flipped green. It's pretty much the same as citi.zen flipping MH except that now it's even better because MH is hidden.
We KNOW that it's either South or Tricode that's lying. It's almost definite that South is lying and you're backing him up with a whole host of other scum. If South ends up flipping blue, oh damn well we've got Tricode.
Also, I apologise for being a dick, I guess I'm just happy that mafia are cornered and I don't want anything to jeopardise the win.
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On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming  Okay I guess I could ease up a bit . In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list? On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc.
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On July 25 2010 10:43 tree.hugger wrote: You have these abilities in varying qualities, but you don't have the most important trait in mafia, which is patience, and cool headedness.
I'm going to go ahead and agree with you here.
In any case, @BC I had already warned Pandain that I would reveal him and he seemed to accept that just fine. He claims he was 'working' with citi.zen yet he goes ahead and convinces everyone to vote for him. His play (we've been PMing since day 1) has been sloppy and even if he was DT, it isn't necessary anymore to win.
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On July 25 2010 10:49 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming  Okay I guess I could ease up a bit . In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list? On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc. Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again. I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF. Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!" There. Any more questions? Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.- If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness.
And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes.
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On July 25 2010 10:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:47 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:43 tree.hugger wrote: You have these abilities in varying qualities, but you don't have the most important trait in mafia, which is patience, and cool headedness.
I'm going to go ahead and agree with you here. In any case, @BC I had already warned Pandain that I would reveal him and he seemed to accept that just fine. He claims he was 'working' with citi.zen yet he goes ahead and convinces everyone to vote for him. His play (we've been PMing since day 1) has been sloppy and even if he was DT, it isn't necessary anymore to win. The issue being, hes claiming you were checked by DT and claiming dt mouth, your claiming hes mafia who fake claimed. IF hes town that would in turn almost guarentee your guilt. He is new however and his play may have been sloppy, but your not doing much better. You are refusing to read the information I am giving out. I have more than enough reason to believe he's fake claiming including his claim that he was working with citi.zen and all the other stuff he's been feeding me for the past few days.
Also his reluctance to change his vote from citi.zen to SouthRawrea.
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On July 25 2010 10:53 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:51 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:49 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming  Okay I guess I could ease up a bit . In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list? On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc. Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again. I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF. Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!" There. Any more questions? Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.- If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness. And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes. I never said he checked me. I think this is going to be flame war soon. <--- Getting bit angry. I'll try to let other people defend me unless everyone starts believing young. So now you're claiming your DT came up to you and told you all this information without having even confirmed you? Even when he already had 2 people to trust? Bad theory is bad.
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Yeah the behind the scenes is so stupid. That's why I /facepalmed so hard when I found out tree.hugger was telling everyone to vote for subversion via PM a few (read: load) of pages back.
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On July 25 2010 11:03 tree.hugger wrote: Basically, it works like this:
We lynched citi.zen because in doing so, we would find out which he was, and thus Southrawrea would be the other. Of course, we could've done the same thing by lynching Southrawrea, but due to suspicions I, and many others held, along with the advantage of catching a bigger fish, or using the skill of a superior hatter, we decided that citi.zen was the better target.
However, the fact that citi.zen is NOT the MH candidate, makes our choice a mistake. Whereas lynching Southrawrea would've had the same effect; either validating citi.zen and his friend/Tricode, lynching citi.zen means that we still have a third option on the table; namely that citi.zen was a pawn of the GF. And now we can't ask him about it. Not only that, but if this is the case, then the GF knows both detectives.
Or Southrawrea could be mafia. Or Tricode and Bc could be mafia.
We should've had two choices, but now we still have three.
So here's what we need to do. If citi.zen's MH was the mafia, then we could probably call gg right now, because we're done. At any rate, our detectives should make sure to confide in someone that they trust, because they'll both die. A suicide bomber is likely in this scenario, and that means Southrawrea would die as well, leaving a total of five town deaths and one mafia death in a night.
But because of how bleak this other outlook is, I think we have no choice but to reject it. We can't win the game that way, and so we shouldn't even consider it, and pretend like citi.zen's death has given us the two-pronged choice that we aimed for. I'm forced to believe that this is a mafia attempt at covering up the situation at hand. I've tried all game to ignore tree.hugger's scummy posts because I had an initial suspicion that he was town which I clearly followed throughout the whole game. If he isn't mafia I just have to /facepalm really hard.
We are following my list, even if I'm being over-excessively loud about it.
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On July 25 2010 11:08 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 11:07 zeks wrote: Let's blow the real taco stand.
Citi.zen was my mouthpiece.
I am the real mad hatter.
My bombs are on BC and SouthRawrea.
I am missing a medic and a DT. Claim to me if you wish.
I'm right here. Kill me.
*facepalm* Are you serious? You're so screwed.
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On July 25 2010 11:09 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 11:08 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 11:08 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 11:07 zeks wrote: Let's blow the real taco stand.
Citi.zen was my mouthpiece.
I am the real mad hatter.
My bombs are on BC and SouthRawrea.
I am missing a medic and a DT. Claim to me if you wish.
I'm right here. Kill me.
*facepalm* Are you serious? You're so screwed. Hahaha didn't mean that. Young, the sooner you stop trying to paint me as mafia and look at logic, the shorter the embarrasement is going to be after the game. So how are you going to argue your whole "I was working with citi.zen" theory now that someone from his group has claimed?
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On July 25 2010 11:13 tree.hugger wrote: I'm going to take some time off from this game. I'm sick of analyzing things only to have people turn out to not have been telling the truth, and then for the town to be worse off because of it.
And I'm sick of Youngminii. Coming from the man who said shit about people not being respectful. Look at yourself.
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Interesting.
I'll be back later 'cause I have to go out (yeah I know, such an important moment). I'll just post the big red list one more time, I know I'm sorry tree.hugger I guess you'll just have to live with it.
BC SouthRawrea Chaoser Infundibuxdlgxcubum Pandain (Claimed DT) Amber[Light] (Pandain claimed to have checkd him) Tree.hugger (moved tree.hugger to the bottom 'cause it's likely he's just bad town)
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I'm back and I see that there hasn't been that many posts since I was last on. Am I really the driving force in the spam fest that is this game? If so, I'll have to learn to post less, I feel as if I'm ruining the game by posting so much.
On July 25 2010 23:01 Amber[LighT] wrote: YM it would actually be a really good idea for you to give out your "DT." I know you think I'm scum, but the numbers don't add up. There's no possible way I could have been checked if three people + citi.zen were checked...
I can't find the post where someone listed everyone who claimed already. Think about it dude... either you are making some outrageous claim against me, or your DT is shady. I did quite a while ago. It's the same as the 'DT' in your group. Pandain claimed to me that he was DT then after I revealed this to everyone, he changed his play saying "Oh no I was just lying to cover up for the real DT to try and figure out if you (me) were a GF or not".
He claims that DT checked you, me and blindly went up to Pandain with all this information without even having checked DT. He also claims that he talked to citi.zen which has been confirmed, however citi.zen rejected any offer that Pandain had because of suspicion etc.
Also, I find it kind of funny that Pandain lynches citi.zen (also after I explicitly told him not to, and that I would expose him if he did and citi.zen flipped green, which was met with no rebuttal) because citi.zen false claimed to protect a blue whereas Pandain literally did the same thing yet expects people to blindly follow him.
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^ ebwop 'without even having checked Pandain'
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On July 26 2010 02:07 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 01:32 youngminii wrote:
He claims that DT checked you, me and blindly went up to Pandain with all this information without even having checked DT. He also claims that he talked to citi.zen which has been confirmed, however citi.zen rejected any offer that Pandain had because of suspicion etc.
Just clearing it up so everyone can hear my story. I found out about DT, and confronted him. He didn't go up to me. He gave me the information because I already knew he was DT lol. And I didn't have any offer for citizen, don't know where that came from. Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 01:32 youngminii wrote: Also, I find it kind of funny that Pandain lynches citi.zen (also after I explicitly told him not to, and that I would expose him if he did and citi.zen flipped green, which was met with no rebuttal) because citi.zen false claimed to protect a blue whereas Pandain literally did the same thing yet expects people to blindly follow him. Yeah, that's still an incredibally stupid thing to do considering you had no proof I was fake claiming. What If I was the real DT? You could've just revealed me. This is why we can't just reveal anyone to the DT, cause they could do stupid stuff like this. I don't expect people to blindly follow me, I expect them to trust me. Just like how we now trust citizen. The difference being I came right out and said it while citizen delayed until like 5 minutes before night lol. You came right out and said it AFTER I revealed you. At least citi.zen claimed BEFORE day ended.
It doesn't matter if you approached DT, the fact that he did not have any evidence that you are town is an obvious reason for him not to trust you. Also, I had all the proof I needed. You lynched citi.zen without a second thought after I threatened to reveal you if citi.zen flipped green. You didn't even seem to care about this, if you really were DT/DT rep you would have tried to reason with me.
Also, I'll be quite surprised if you're actually town, but I would assume that would mean your DT is playing you, unless Zeks comes out with new info.
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/facepalm
My paranoid theory? BC and SouthRawrea are setting themselves to die (sacrifice) by some epic bussing in a last ditch effort to save their teammates at the very least. They use BC and SouthRawrea because they're the most suspicious right now. Don't take any posts that condemn them seriously (after the claim).
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Just wait 'til the game ends and it ends up being right.
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##Vote SouthRawrea ##Vote BC ##Vote Double Lynch
I would just like to say, Subversion was a terrible, terrible DT. Pandain is either GF or he's hugging on to his newbie card for dear life.
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