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Here's some credibility for citi.zen. I don't care if you don't read this but know that if you're town and citi.zen dies tonight you have played against your win condition by a big deal.
I represented my DT and claimed to citi.zen. Rastaban did the same. Citi.zen got two DT claims and so he knows something is wrong. If he was scum, he would have kept going as if everything was normal. Instead, he made both rastaban and myself aware that there were more than one DT group claiming.
Citi.zen is in the best position possible as town and you should all see that.
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On July 25 2010 08:17 BrownBear wrote: I am so fucking confused right now. What I see it as:
rastaban has a DT citi.zen has a DT youngminii has a DT
Could 2 of these be the same DT? Or have we caught a falseclaimer/the GF? We've caught a falseclaimer. Rastaban isn't in my group.
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On July 25 2010 08:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:17 BrownBear wrote: I am so fucking confused right now. What I see it as:
rastaban has a DT citi.zen has a DT youngminii has a DT
Could 2 of these be the same DT? Or have we caught a falseclaimer/the GF? A more puzzling thing is this. Two mouths have claimed to citizen, and we have someone counter claiming? The pm rasta showed implies a third claimant (as i doubt citizen would count himself as one) Seems really odd to me. He's counting his DT as one. Look at the next paragraph, he says "we'll check one of the two". You're slipping up more and more BC.
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On July 25 2010 08:27 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:22 chaoser wrote:On July 25 2010 08:20 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 08:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 25 2010 08:17 BrownBear wrote: I am so fucking confused right now. What I see it as:
rastaban has a DT citi.zen has a DT youngminii has a DT
Could 2 of these be the same DT? Or have we caught a falseclaimer/the GF? A more puzzling thing is this. Two mouths have claimed to citizen, and we have someone counter claiming? The pm rasta showed implies a third claimant (as i doubt citizen would count himself as one) Seems really odd to me. He's counting his DT as one. Look at the next paragraph, he says "we'll check one of the two". You're slipping up more and more BC. If when citi.zen found out there were multiple claims for DT, he would have told town if he was townie. But he didn't. That's weird Yeah no he didn't go silent, he made an error when he claimed which I pointed out and he gave up. Intead he asked us to give up our DT names... I don't like it. And just like last game when he was GF he has gone completely silent when suspicion is cast on him
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On July 25 2010 08:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:18 youngminii wrote: Here's some credibility for citi.zen. I don't care if you don't read this but know that if you're town and citi.zen dies tonight you have played against your win condition by a big deal.
I represented my DT and claimed to citi.zen. Rastaban did the same. Citi.zen got two DT claims and so he knows something is wrong. If he was scum, he would have kept going as if everything was normal. Instead, he made both rastaban and myself aware that there were more than one DT group claiming.
Citi.zen is in the best position possible as town and you should all see that. That's wifom, if citi.zen is red he would have said there were three claims and not said who, so that there was a reason to keep him around to figure out who to go after. That's not wifom, wifom is circular logic. It's called reasoning. Your reasoning is also interesting but it doesn't make complete sense. He wouldn't say 'there were three claims', he would keep it to himself and play on as a gosu mafia that has connections to two DT circles.
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On July 25 2010 08:30 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:27 rastaban wrote:On July 25 2010 08:22 chaoser wrote:On July 25 2010 08:20 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 08:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 25 2010 08:17 BrownBear wrote: I am so fucking confused right now. What I see it as:
rastaban has a DT citi.zen has a DT youngminii has a DT
Could 2 of these be the same DT? Or have we caught a falseclaimer/the GF? A more puzzling thing is this. Two mouths have claimed to citizen, and we have someone counter claiming? The pm rasta showed implies a third claimant (as i doubt citizen would count himself as one) Seems really odd to me. He's counting his DT as one. Look at the next paragraph, he says "we'll check one of the two". You're slipping up more and more BC. If when citi.zen found out there were multiple claims for DT, he would have told town if he was townie. But he didn't. That's weird Yeah no he didn't go silent, he made an error when he claimed which I pointed out and he gave up. Intead he asked us to give up our DT names... I don't like it. And just like last game when he was GF he has gone completely silent when suspicion is cast on him ebwop 'Yeah no he didn't go silent, he made an error when he claimed which I pointed out and he gave up' is meant to be MY post, not part of the quote.
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On July 25 2010 08:33 chaoser wrote: guys, please respond to the VERY scummy thing that he did which is keep the triple claim for DT from town. That's VERY WEIRD. What's so weird? It's not like he told town "Okay guys, one DT group contacted me so now we have two DT groups working together". Can't he pull together a bit more information before telling everyone everything? It would also look extremely suspicious if he tells everyone that two DT groups contacted him if he doesn't tell everyone the identities of the DT group reps (me and rastaban).
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On July 25 2010 08:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I think another thing I wonder and could be horrifically wrong here, but if he has two dt claims that he kept to himself, is it possible he was trying to fish for dt names elsewhere as well? Not sure if its likely but ugh, I am now even more paranoid. He didn't keep it to himself, he basically informed me and rastaban. Also, that's a good point. Another reason why he didn't tell everyone is in case there were others who would try to claim to represent a DT group. Thanks for helping citi.zen's case.
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On July 25 2010 08:38 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:33 chaoser wrote: guys, please respond to the VERY scummy thing that he did which is keep the triple claim for DT from town. That's VERY WEIRD. Yeah he says that he's leaving, knowing he could be dead by the time he gets back, and doesn't mention that? Aside: Aren't you glad we killed DTA? If he was still alive, we had a vigi claim, we had two mad hatters claim, AND we had all of DTA's wink and nod posts about mad hattering this would be so much worse. That's why you don't dink around as town. Of course he's glad, he's scum.
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On July 25 2010 08:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:37 BrownBear wrote:On July 25 2010 08:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 25 2010 08:31 BrownBear wrote:On July 25 2010 08:29 rastaban wrote: Well last game he was caught when he tried to define his fake roleclaim.
True, but that doesn't change the fact that trying to get MH to say who they put their bombs on is a very scummy move. It's not worth possibly messing up a fakeclaimer when it's far more likely that they're legit, they say who their bombs are on, and mafia hits them to take out 2 or 3 people in one go. Except if any of those bombs are on mafia, they lose up to two of their members as well. Tree hugger has already gone over this. It's roughly a 1 in 5 chance that this is true. Your math sucks. Except factor in his skill level and he will most likely have at least 1 red, if not two. Do you not weigh all the variables into your equations? Ahh yes, of course we should weigh in skill level. Of course citi.zen's so good that out of 25 remaining players, he's so good that he PROBABLY bombed one of the 6 mafia. Yes, that's great logic to rely on.
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On July 25 2010 08:43 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:41 citi.zen wrote: The confirmed dt knows of all the claims. I will not reveal their names publicly at this point - it would condemn the real one. It also has no bearing on what you guys need to do: lynch south so you get a 1pp% confirmed red. One way or another. Yayyyyyyyyyyy win /win situation. Except he's saying to lynch South, something you're refusing to do.
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On July 25 2010 08:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: So all dt claims were in before South counter-claimed mad hatter?
i wish there was another word for 'claim' Yes, according to my PM timestamps.
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Notice that it's most likely that 5/6 scum are voting for citi.zen as of right now. BC/tree.hugger's arguments (as much as you'd like to believe they're not) are completely flawed. I'm not saying tree.hugger's scum but the mafia use these arguments and say 'oh that sounds good' and jumps on voting for citi.zen. Obviously along the way a few town are going to join in because monkey see monkey do. Now as for the SouthRawr case, it's a lot less 'rallied' and 'cooperative' than the votes against citi.zen, which can only serve to show how dedicated the scum are to saving SouthRawr and getting citi.zen out (and his solid plan). I ask of all townies to vote for SouthRawr RIGHT now and stop ignorantly following BC/tree.hugger/scum.
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On July 25 2010 08:51 BrownBear wrote: Look at it this way, young: If citi flips blue, we know instantly BC/tree.hugger/all of them are scum.
This makes it all the more important that we vote double lynch NOW. I already voted for double lynch.
Do you really think they're just going to stop and say "oh yeah shit I guess we were wrong, gg"? They're obviously going to bus SouthRawr tomorrow and look as innocent as they can. Look at this, their arguments are completely flawed yet they are able to get so many town on their side because of sheer numbers. When 6 people continually argue the same flawed argument and post a lot then obviously they're going to pull in some town to agree with them. Same thing will happen tomorrow, trust me.
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On July 25 2010 08:58 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:55 bumatlarge wrote:On July 25 2010 08:51 BrownBear wrote: Look at it this way, young: If citi flips blue, we know instantly BC/tree.hugger/all of them are scum.
This makes it all the more important that we vote double lynch NOW. Or they are innocent and south is the scum :/ if they are innocent it's extremely unlikely they'd invest themselves/their reputation in this game THAT MUCH into preventing him from being lynched today. Definitely agree with this quote. BC and his posse are over committing to this waaaaay too much. Thing is, I'm still undecided as to whether or not tree.hugger is bad town or scum. I guess we'll see but he's been staying clear-ish under my scumdar.
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On July 25 2010 09:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:54 Amber[LighT] wrote: What exactly are the chances that a mafia member can guess someone is a mad hatter so easily anyway? That's pretty random imo
Were citi.zen's tells that simple to the mafia? Well I had citizen marked down as blue or maybe red since around Day 1; he was also one of Foolishness suspects. Congratulations on having him marked down as blue or red, that's a great achievement 
Also, the suspect of a green townie means nothing.
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On July 25 2010 08:48 BrownBear wrote:Sigh... I am not entirely convinced this is a good idea. BC has been pissing me off over the last few pages. I still am not sure whether or not SouthRawrea is claiming truthfully. If this ends poorly, then town as a whole is screwed. In these times, I usually tend to vote based on my own analysis and reading of the thread, not the will of the town or the bandwagon du jour. Because I've seen, too many times, the town be wrong. The analysis be flawed or scummy. Town lose a critical vote because rather than see the plain-as-day evidence in front of them, they followed their gut instinct or one person and all voted the wrong way. This is why I was reluctant to change my vote earlier: I didn't think you guys were voting with analysis, I just thought you were following tree.hugger and BC blindly. But there's been mounting pressure, both in the thread and by PM, for me to change my vote. And you know what? I want some fucking answers from citi.zen. I want to know where he's been during this crucial day. I want to know why he wanted the names of the DTs. I want to know why he didn't tell us fucking immediately when he got 3 DT claims. I want to know why rastaban had to blow the lid on that little gem there, via PM reveal no less. I want answers to all of these. And to the people who said lynching citi gives us more information that SR? You're right. If citi flips anything but red, it gives me a whole laundry list to work through  So ##Unvote ##Vote citi.zenGod, I hope all of you are right. BB let me just ask you to revert your vote. You could be lynching a potentially confirmed townie and two potential townies (even blues) via bombs. This isn't the right way to go for confirmation on the whole scenario, it will be much more effective to lynch SouthRawr.
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This is going to be the third time where I've defended an innocent Townie that gets lynched because people are so unwilling to change their votes.
I bet the mafia are cracking up behind their screens, oh how easy it was to manipulate the naive town.
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On July 25 2010 09:10 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 09:02 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 09:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 25 2010 08:54 Amber[LighT] wrote: What exactly are the chances that a mafia member can guess someone is a mad hatter so easily anyway? That's pretty random imo
Were citi.zen's tells that simple to the mafia? Well I had citizen marked down as blue or maybe red since around Day 1; he was also one of Foolishness suspects. Congratulations on having him marked down as blue or red, that's a great achievement  What did you have him marked down as? This isn't true, and you know it. Foolishness is also a good player, who usually gets decent reads in my experience. Yes it is true, especially that early in the game? It means less than nothing.
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On July 25 2010 09:12 SouthRawrea wrote:Back. Grandparents wanted me to eat even though I already did >.> I really don't understand how Youngminii thinks all his arguments are perfect. You're saying things that are illogical. Why would the mafia want to save me if I'm the "noobie mafia" that you say that I am. Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:07 youngminii wrote: I call upon every player in this game to vote for either citi.zen or South. One of them is confirmed mafia. There is no hiding under this "I think they're all innocent" nonsense. Pick one.
But more importantly, pick SouthRawrea.
There are four possible outcomes: If we lynch citi.zen the Mafia: Then we've taken out one red. We have a town member to form a circle around (SouthRawrea), and this player is 100% new to forum mafia.
If we lynch citi.zen the Mad Hatter: Then ASSUMING citi.zen's already given the second DT party (his inactivity cough) AND if we rule out the possibility of TWO DT groups claiming to him, then we have a town circle with a DT. Two people needlessly die and if you all really think that citi.zen's scumhunting abilities are so good, then why don't you trust him on his SouthRawrea hunt?
If we lynch Southrawrea the Mafia: Then we gain a whole load of information with many implications (unfortunately no one listens to me anymore). We've got BC backed into a corner, we've got chaoser (imo) and a few more, AND we have a huge townie group with TWO DTs working together.
If we lynch Southrawrea the Mad Hatter: Then chaoser dies. Only one death compared to two if citi.zen's Mad Hatter. I do think he's mafia and maybe you would too (directed at tree.hugger) if you got off your high horse and read my analysis posts once in a while.
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God I can't believe how fast you all just follow tree.hugger's bias 'situation report'. This especially. Even if I am 100% new, I can pick up pretty quick especially if I get this circle to help me out. Also, we get rid of one of the mafia's top members who could possibly have power over the DTs if he really got those claims. If he's blue, he should at least tell us if one of his bomb targets at this time is me so that the vilage knows what voting him would do. We then have many scum to pick on as you have pointed out so well. (Chaoser for example) and we get me supposing that I am mafia. If I'm mafia, I as well as a few others have already said why your line of reasoning was wrong. We do in fact gain more info from killing citizen as mafia rather than me. If I'm town, we get Chaoser who you ALREADY believe is red and we still have our Mad Hatter to place bombs while being directed by a new town circle. As well, because I'm such a noob, mafia may be reluctant to kill me immediately tonight which gives us a chance to get order in the town. My post was actually a parody of tree.hugger's, it wasn't meant to be taken 100% seriously (even though some good points are in it), I was just trying to show how stupid it is to blindly follow a post that has logical inconsistencies and over exaggerations just because 5/6 other scum rally behind the post.
But yes, your play has been less than spectacular in this game and there's no reason to trust you to make any game deciding decisions. Your arguments are now following BC's style of arguing, filled with horrible flaws. I wouldn't be surprised if BC just PM'd you with that entire post and told you to copy and paste it into this thread.
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