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Anyways, I agree, despite our lack of a vig, that the dt should claim once he pegs a mafia. There's no millers, so it's a for sure thing. Trading our DT for half of the mafia is a good trade, assuming we are decent players and can do some decent post analysis. The downside of this, is that once the mafia find out there is a DT, they will KNOW if there is a medic or not, and if there IS a medic, they will have a roleblocker, and roleblock the dt for the rest of the game(setup 1). So a dt claiming is either certain death, or certain roleblocking, unless we get lucky and it's the roleblocker who gets lynched(50-50 shot). So a dt who claims has a 50% chance of dying the next night(setup 3) and a 25% chance of getting roleblocked for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker alive) and a 25% chance of having medic protection for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker dead) Again, I think it's worth it for the dt to claim once he finds a red(or 2 greens as korynne stated) As for PMing your partners, I have assumed that this is allowed. We need a mod ruling on this ASAP however. I assumed this because Korynne designed the set-up, and I assumed she knew the rules  For me the whole fun of this setup is that you get to make decisions as a team, and get to bounce your ideas off of each other about who you think is scummy, or who you think might be blue, etc. | ||
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On June 23 2010 09:16 stormtemplar wrote: I suspect BM is mafia. Firstly, his constant accusations of yellowink are very scummy looking to me, especially since his claims about yellows logic are unfounded Second, his morse encoded stealth claim to be medic looks quite scummy, as only a stupid or naive blue would do something that revealed themselves to be mafia. . Bill Murray always does this, In fact, the more he throws dirt around and gets upset at people, the more it looks like he's playing his same old town routine. Mind you, I'm not a big fan of the routine, so I'm certainly OK with a BM/Chez vote. On June 23 2010 06:47 Divinek wrote: well it'd be kinda silly for them to post so much as townees especially in that fashion unless they get some sick enjoyment out of confusing people Again, this is what they do. Everyone, meet BM and Chez. Chez and BM, meet everyone. Teams that are laying too low, mind you it's early: Teams 6/7/8/9 | ||
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On June 23 2010 22:19 Korynne wrote: I don't know what the deal with Radfield is. He seems a bit missing... =( I haven't cast my vote because I know I'll be around at the deadline so there's really no point in voting ahead of time. In terms of inactivity, I don't really do much on day 1 unless there's something about the setup to discuss. Like, PYP with Qatol and number claiming and role claiming. The other time in Bang Bang i was trying to set up a town system which clearly didn't work... xD I feel like I ease into the game better as days go by, so don't expect too much from me on Day 1. That being said, I will post analysis of teams in a bit (I have class now). I will analyze BM/Chez, LaXer/bum, Durak/YI, Nikon/Zyrre. Explanation for skipping the rest: 1. I'm not going to analyze myself... 4. I like Ace's style, so I'm probably biased, also they don't seem to be suspicious atm 6. L is L... and then there's the whole issue of Caller not really doing anything =\ 8/9 Feels like they're not talking much yet, also not sure how to read new people. I'm here Korynne, and I'm trying, but two games+ super busy = low activity. Thank goodness that there's no talking in BM's game during the night. I'll send you a PM and lets find a time we're both online. I'm not sure why me and Korynne haven't been getting more flak for being inactive, but I'm glad. I'm going to try to be more active though. Initial thoughts: Lynching inactives at this point seems foolish(says the inactive poster). We don't learn anything from it, and those people are never mafia anyways. Mafia are generally pretty sure to stay above the inactivity radar on day 1. However, most of the people seem to agree with that and are voting on scummyness. Also, voting for inactives give the mafia a great place to hide, and a clear cut reason for voting. L and Caller strike me as a little off for the moment. Both because Caller is very inactive and L is generating a lot of confusion in the thread. BM and Chez don't strike me as mafia. But they're hard to get a read on given their posting styles. I will be going over some of the same teams as Korynne, and we'll try to form a concensus on what we think. I'll post more later, I just wanted to get down some thoughts. | ||
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On June 24 2010 03:14 DCLXVI wrote: so this is where the votes stand now: + Show Spoiler + Votes for Team 2 (15) Ace (Team 4) meeple (Team 7) BrownBear (Team 8) johnnyspazz (Team 8) DCLXVI (Team 9) Nikon (Team 7) Zyrre (Team 7) Votes for Team 3 (6) YellowInk (Team 5) Bill Murray (Team 2) Votes for Team 7 (13) Chezinu (Team 2) LaXerCannon (Team 3) Divinek (Team 9) Durak (Team 5) stormtemplar (Team 8) Votes for Team 8 (6) L (Team 6) bumatlarge (Team 3) Votes for Team 9 (3) DarthThienAn (Team 4) Ace has been suspicious of Teams 2 and and less so 6 Stormtemplar has split from his team and voted for team 7, but the rest of team 8 is still on BM/chez Team 7 is rationally voting for team 2 now since anything else would lose them the vote my team is split, and I think moocow left the game New crusade against team 3 by yellow and BM (also known as suicide for BM). Some suspicions presented in the thread. Now that the anti-inactivity bandwagon against team 7 has ended it would be good to look at who stayed on and who recently joined for what reasons as well as who left for what reasons. L had some suspicions on team 8 early on, but I have no idea why bum just switched I think that Darth just wants team 9 to post more. I can't wait to see who gets lynched, since it will give us some great insight on the rest of the teams. Now that BM has started to post some decent arguments (well at least better than before) I am not sure if hanging him would be the right option. I don't say this because I think that he is less likely to be mafia, I just think that we would get more information out of lynching another team, say team 3 or maybe 8. Bum's recent posting and voting has me confused and a little more suspicious so I'd rather team 3 than 8 get lynched, but I'm not certain. Time for work, will probably get back in time to change my vote if need be. Am I the only one who thinks this post screams mafia? Why is Team 9 getting a pass? They are posting just above the threshold of inactivity, right about the level of mafia. They are completely under the radar and not getting involved in any discussions or arguments. Granted at this point MooCow is on the verge of getting modkilled, but that still leaves DCLXVI and Divinek. Neither of them have come out with strong stances, and neither are being particularly helpful to town. I'm going to go through their post history right now to see what I see. I encourage all players to take a good hard look at team 9. | ||
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Posting History: Bold posts are good posts Spam, Me Too, Observation, Spam, Spam, Question, Super Softball accusation at L, Terrible reason outlining voting strat*, calls out Zyrre, wants to know why his team was voted for, Questions Here is the reason for his vote origionally: On June 23 2010 12:51 Divinek wrote: yo dawg. I dunno I'm not entirely sure voting down the least active is the best idea in a structure like this over post analysis, but im not sure how much real content there is to be had yet so im like 51% for voting against activity right now so i went with that unless something i see sways me. Basically, posting such that there is nothing tying him to an opinion. Even his vote comes with a caveat that he doesn't actually think they are scum. So far Divinek has made a lot of posts with virtually zero content. DCLXVI is next | ||
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Again, bold posts are good posts Talks about last game Question Chez Correction Spam Hops on both the team 2 and team 7 bandwagon at the same time Spam Scum post that tipped me off His third post, the correction: On June 23 2010 05:56 DCLXVI wrote: not to say don't check us, but this logic is wrong. I would think it to be easier to read three people rather than just two. The bandwagoning of both teams 2 and 7: On June 23 2010 13:37 DCLXVI wrote: I think I need another day of argument between L/Ace/team8 and such to see what I think of them. As far as I can tell BM/chez are barely helping the town, and team 7 has provided the least content. I'm not sure whether we should lynch the team that spams or the quiet team. I think that if team 7 was mafia then they would at least make some attempt to appear active, but that is not the case. Going to put my vote on team 2 for now. Waffle, waffle, waffle. Both accusitory posts from DC and Divinek follow the same rule of thumb: Don't be too in favor of a vote for either candidate, don't tie yourself to a lynch. I'm going to check moocow next, but I don't think he's said much. Right now my vote is squarely on Team 9. I recommend people review the evidence and consider changing their votes. | ||
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Spam Talks about last game Decent post, advocates team 2 or 7 for lynch, but again no opinion Spam No content at all except for the continued putting forward of Teams 2 and 7, without actually taking a stance. Team 9 for lynch! Agree or Disagree. | ||
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Team 9, I'd like to hear responses. | ||
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On June 24 2010 06:56 Ace wrote: Radfield I don't know how you can go after team 9 when BM/Chez have played more scummy than they have. Yea they aren't posting a lot but the BM/Chez are posting garbage. Lack of effort doesn't mean someone is scummy. Playing like scum usually means the person really is scum. Well, lets set BM and Chez aside for the moment. I agree that they've posted a lot of spam, but I think both have tried to contribute more this game then in the games I've played with them when they were mafia. That doesn't mean much though, but I can't help it if I get a bit of a townie vibe from them. Of course I agree with your last two sentences. I am interested to hear your opinion of Team 9 though. Pretend BM and Chez are already dead. Am I off base on thinking they are scum? Are other people scumdars going off when they read their post history? | ||
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On June 24 2010 07:12 YellowInk wrote: @DTA I know your vote was there on team 9 at the 10 hr mark, but I didn't think it'd be enough time to force activity out of them. Team 3 reading red was more useful than what would have merely been a pressure vote on Team 9. I didn't shift from team 7 to team 9 at the ~18 hour mark (when I made the analysis post) because they were both inactive teams. Neither was better than the other, I was merely presenting a commentary on how there were two teams that needed to clean up their acts. I'm going to try to refrain from repeating myself now, perhaps linking to prior posts with answers to questions/statements made in my direction. I think we have a very different idea of how long it takes to rally votes on a player. Honestly, we still have ~4hours till lynch, which in my mind is almost enough time to do a major vote switch if there is a convincing argument. 10 hours is certainly enough time. | ||
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Seems like Me and K might have the power here if we decide to switch. | ||
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Comment Talks about previous game Responds to Yellowink, States the obvious about not being inclined towards anyone Decent Post Decent Post Random YellowInk FoS Few more posts then goes into full spam mode. After that he stops spamming and starts making decent posts again. I don't really get a huge scum vibe from him. I think that perhaps you are seeing him as more scummy then he is because of his random FoS at you. | ||
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On June 24 2010 07:53 Divinek wrote: so making mostly useless spammy crap posts sets off your redar? Of course I'd like to defend myself so your vote doesnt get wasted on a green but what else can i admit except that i was posting like a retard cause the first thing i saw on the wiki was dont be inactive lol but dont post too much as townee unless you have good evidence so you dont confuse people Well, time to make up for it Start analyzing players and going through their post history. Is there a player who seems like he's trying to stay under the radar? Someone who does a lot of agreeing, commenting and summarizing, but little putting forward plans of their own or giving their own opinions and reasons on things. Find these people and call them out. However, don't just throw around the FoS. Use it wisely or it loses most of it's effect. Put pressure on people to post and communicate their opinions, and try to get everyone down on paper. Figure out who makes sense and draw attention to their ideas so they don't get lost. Make a spreadsheet with all the players listed on it and keep your thoughts of each player on it(this is the best piece of mafia advice I ever received). Update it with the roles when people die so you can learn from where your notes were wrong and where they were right. These are a few ways to be a good townie on Day 1 Most importantly: put in effort.L and Caller are making a last minute run for most inactive team. | ||
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On June 24 2010 08:12 Bill Murray wrote: I would be ok voting team 6 instead I am not sure if team 3 would work with us on this Team 9 to me = village idiots as I addressed in this post: In case the worst befalls me: Detectives, check Ace/DarthThienAn, or L/Caller assuming we have any of you all. Medics protect the people who have been acting blue. Every team except for me and K, and Bum/Laxer are voting separate ways, so this is hardly an indication of anything. This really only indicates which teams are talking and which aren't. | ||
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On June 24 2010 08:57 YellowInk wrote: Redfield, are you voting for team 9 due to inactivity or because you actively read red in them? We may not agree on time frames, but pressure on team 9 was applied so late that if the team is not checking here frequently (besides Div) that they just may not respond. I voted Team 9 based on a red read, and that they were contributing nothing with their posts. However, I've remembered that I don't think it's a good idea to lynch brand new players on day one. I'm talking meta-game here and the interest of having lots of active and enthusiastic players in the mafia forums. But in a 9 player game, I suppose that has to go out the window. I'm fine letting them hang around another day though. | ||
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A deeper motive for korynne protecting team 9 as mafia? They're allies and she wanted out. From the town's perspective? Well, derp derp, Korynne was trying to kill them until the very end. Why bother switching if she originally wanted 9 gone? Because someone would 'out' themselves as mafia by vote switching? Well, she specifically mentions that she acted to prevent chez from acting, which means her entire system of logic is built on excuses. Really? I guess that means I'm a mafia buddy with team 9 too. That's why I made several large posts about why I thought they were mafia, and why I think we should lynch them, when prior to that they had no pressure whatsoever. Anyways, Korynne clearly stated why she vote switched. If I had been around I probably would have said not to bother, mostly because I would have rather Chez switched to Team 9 and lynched them. You'll notice I read Team 2 as fairly town(although that is a standard mafia ploy). Anyways, I was all ready to make a big post, but it seems like things have settled down a bit. At the very least Korynne, we probably won't die tonight since you've cast some suspicion on us | ||
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On June 25 2010 06:46 Zyrre wrote: Reading through this it does sound convincing. L would be an easy target for mafia to go after though. Only one person that needs to be implicated, and L has been posting quite a lot. Some of his mistakes are ones I would make myself. BUT, since none of Ace's posts seem like mafia and Ace has been bashing L since the start, that seems highly unlikely. Incorrect, some of Ace's posts seem scummy. Particularly the fact that he pushed hard for Team 2, when I think he should have known better. It's almost like he was surprised they were shitting up the thread. However, I agree with him that L seems scummy. He's near the top of my list, but what really puts me off is Caller quitting. I really don't think Caller would have bailed on the game if he'd gotten a mafia role. It's strange, but this alone gives Team 6 some townie cred. If we do lynch L, and he flips green, I propose we go after Ace. Why? Because it means one of two things: Ace is a mafia and has led us to lynch two townies, or, Ace is town, playing extremely poorly and has led us to lynch two townies. Ace is not a poor player. If his actions and analysis are giving poor results, then he needs to be questioned for it. Teams I'm ok lynching: Team 4, Team 6, Team 9. However, if Team 4 flips red, then Zyrre needs to be held accountable for his above post. If I was mafia what would I do. First, railroad the two spammers, easily done, they basically lynch themselves. Second, go after L, he's inflammatory, he makes occasionally poor arguments, and he'll probably turn everyone against himself anyways. Third hasn't happened yet, but mine would be to pick on whomever the most inactive/newbie team is, and try to convince everyone they are scum. Most newbie teams have a ton of scumtells whether they are mafia or not(See team 9). So far Ace has two checkmarks., but of course if L flips red then Ace is likely green. | ||
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On June 25 2010 09:21 Korynne wrote: Wow this thread died... can we get some people to do analysis? Me and Radfield both did a couple already... but I'll do more later on. That's what we get for removing BM and Chez Funny that you enjoy smaller games because there are less people to analyze, and yet you've gone and created a 'small' game with a ton of people | ||
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On June 25 2010 09:55 YellowInk wrote: For my part I'm awaiting daybreak. I'm not sure how much can be gained by talking at night unless there's a lot of sudden info to be digested. The Korynne instigated discussion was fine, I just figure talking about new suspicions could help mafia choose their kill to manipulate my intentions. I'd rather deny this of them. I had used the night phases of XXVI to go fishing since 1) it was a noob game, 2) I was pardoner, 3) PMs were allowed, and 4) I was having a hard time getting certain people to talk. I'm not so sure night phase talk is as useful here - assuming people are sufficiently active during the day that we can come to reasonable conclusions. I'm used to dying in the night, which means it's important to get my thoughts in while I can | ||
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On June 25 2010 09:55 Ace wrote: I wasn't surprised at all. I think you are making a big mistake about my play here: I don't care what a player's supposed normal behavior is. If you play scummy and do ridiculous things I will vote for you. There is no excuse such as "I always play bad when I'm town" and thats how I made my decision. Of course if L flips green/blue you can do whatever you please. Surely in the interest of hunting scum there should be more to it than that. Yes, if you're confident scum will not be found on Day One then voting off those players who are difficult to read and always seem scummy is a good choice. But I think players who play that way should get their own special category. Yes they always play scummy so they should get consideration for my day 1 vote, but mostly I should ignore them and concentrate on the other players. Using those players who always seem scummy/ridiculous as a fallback. | ||
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Not at all. Players that always play scummy usually always end up getting killed. Remember the goal of the game is to find scum: In the absence of overwhelming evidence against another team the scummiest players get lynched. Agreed. I guess what I'm trying to say is that going into this game, many of us knew that the BM/Chez team would probably look scummy on day 1(spam, accusations, etc). So knowing that, there's less of a reason for focusing on them or worrying about them. They might still be deserving of a vote, but aren't necessarily deserving of my scum searching time. But don't think I ignored every other player in the game so far. Just because I don't say anything about other players doesn't mean I'm not paying attention. Better to solve 1 piece of the puzzle at a time. Yeah I wasn't really commenting on your play, more just commenting on general strategy. | ||
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On June 25 2010 10:21 flamewheel wrote: I may be back slightly late; haircut mlah. shucks, I was hoping to stay up for the Day Post, but I guess I'll just head to bed. | ||
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Great game mafia, you guys rocked. | ||
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