EPTHarry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Mafia
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 21 2010 23:36 Hesmyrr wrote: ~OpZ~ Nice to see you claim pro-town. I had anticipated for someone trying to claim anti-town :p Also, how does Mafia benefit from knowing who the hidden horocrux is? Well, according to the flavour, Harry Potter the last horocrux did need to be killed by no one other than Voldemort so the person who is horocrux may also need to be killed by Death Eaters in this setup- which is another vast strike against the mass roleclaiming; I doubt Bill Murray would introduce such harsh win condition though. I will hold off nominating someone until I am pretty certain of one town read. Experience is not bad when we are picking someone to be protected, but most importantly I rather have player I have most confidence in being town-aligned. There seem to be enough good players in this roster anyhow. *yawn* Weak attack. How does mafia benefit by knowing who it is? They don't kill him on accident. Everyone claiming, they might know who he is then. Like I said, I just want more discussion before claiming, I'm not against claiming as I have nothing to hide. Oh, and...Any other attempts? (FoS @ Hesmyrr) [FoS= Finger of Suspicion] | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 22 2010 03:55 Hesmyrr wrote: Okay, maybe I was not as much concise as I would have liked. My post was writing down of my impressions as I read along the people's first post, and in fact I am support your argument against role claiming (what you are saying is basically what I am saying). I was curious how you got the impression I was attacking you and your argument, because this post just cries casual glancing over. Because I'm terribly defensive!? -_- At any rate, you asked me how the benefit, and I was in a list of three people with Radfield....And I don't have a good feeling about Radfield this game yet...just a hunch so far... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Now lets see...Name claiming may be useful...But I said that it might give them a clue to who the other horcrux is. I like the idea of role blocking the inactives, yellowink should definitely be one of them in my opinion. YellowInk being inactive and even an idea for candidacy is kind of upsetting. I'd nominate Radfield, but Radfield said he wont be as active. If Hes isn't nominated, consider this his nomination. I don't really give two craps about the mayor, but I most certainly hope he is active. People seem to listen to them. And Abenson, post more. I've seen content filled posts from you. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 22 2010 22:04 ElyAs wrote: So as of now we have 3 candidates : MoM /Sponsor : 1)YellowInk / Jspazz 2)Amber[LighT] / AcrossFiveJulys 3)Hesmyrr / Radfield Opz wanted to nominate Radfield but didn't. Amber[LighT] wants Radfield as Pardoner My thoughts for now : I've seen the aggressive townie style from YellowInk in game XVII, which is why I'm likely to be voting for him. If he is green or blue, we've got ourselves a great ally in an important position. But I'm reserving my vote for now. I agree 100% on the fact that the MoM must be rolechecked. We really want a trustworthy MoM. Also, OpZ is highly suspicious of Hes, Radfield, and YellowInk. But not a lot of discussion seems to be going on. Let me help. I nominate DCLXVI to be the lynch candidate. So far, I can't recall one decent post. Abenson just probably needs a PM to nudge him to play the game. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 22 2010 23:42 DCLXVI wrote: Do we have a detective? The role list says Detective: See Legilimency and Occlumency. Legilimency is listed as a mafia spell. From the way medic is defined (see episky, a blue spell) it seems that there is no actual detective that can role check. Also, can people have multiple spells? Occlumency seems kind of useless unless people can have multiple spells. I am not sure why the mafia would want to try to find out everyone's character. Obviously they would like to know who harry is so they don't kill him, but other than that it only seems to help them guess at blue roles, maybe. (this is assuming that the mafia already have a safe name list) So is it true that only mafia get the red spells and only townies get the blue spells? Town has to be able to use some of those red spells imo. Also, some townie roles clearly would be able to. I don't think Aurors are just body guards, prob DT and Vig capable too. They're are prob plenty of med/roleblockers...It's a themed game, and almost every themed game (see any of callers/aces games that are themed) we have on TL is overly filled with roles. On June 22 2010 23:42 DCLXVI wrote: I am not sure what to think about Amber[light] right now, he seems like a good player but until I get a clarification on spell rules I cannot make a guess at his role. Now that YellowInk is here I feel more secure in voting for him or radfield. Radfield may be the better choice just because he sort of didn't want the role because he doesn't think that he will be active. That is either a good ploy or he is thinking for the better of the town; I think that it is more likely a townie sort of play. I have no idea about Hesmyrr. @opz So far I have only seen 1 good post out of you too, I just don't spam the thread like you do to seem active. I'm not voting YellowInk. He has one decent post, and I demand more. Better statement of his own plans. I feel he should be investigated and atleast one other person who threw support (Not Johnnyspazz). Oh and... Aww, sorry, did you get butt hurt by my calling you out? Did it get you to post? I think so. That's the whole point. Draw attention to the stragglers. Make them think they'll die and they come and make decent posts. Good Job. And look, I probably just taught you something? Sheesh. Atleast now you won't be killed for inactivity. Now onward to more pressing matters! On June 22 2010 23:47 zeks wrote: @DCLXVI good point do we even have a town rolecheck to work with? Forget what I said above. My vote remains on Amber but with possibility of changing tonight. Don't go into game set up. It's always reasonable to assume atleast one detective role is in the game. So yes. We have a role check to work with. Probably quite a few. Now about that role check...will we see results? Possibly, possibly not. Dude investigating could die, dude being investigated could die, person investigating might not ever post findings. It's all ifs. We can't just assume they will be posted. On June 23 2010 00:00 Hesmyrr wrote: ~OpZ~ and Amber[light] voted for Radfield. zeks and AcrossFiveJulys voted for Amber[LighT] Casual question to ~OpZ~... If you don't like Radfield, why are you voting for him? I like him more than you (not that I don't actually like you, ThreeKingdoms you were my buddy!). I'm actually planning on changing my vote still, and you had the same idea as me with Roffles, but I don't know if Roffles can scum find...I know Radfield can...But I learned my lesson from the game I was modkilled for. I was active, except the last day, and missed my vote. Radfield ALSO said he doesn't have as much time to dedicate to the game, (As I've pointed out) so I don't really feel he should be a mayor or pardoner. And Amber voting for Radfield (Amber trying to be pardoner?). How does that sound to you Hes? =( | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 23 2010 01:20 Amber[LighT] wrote: Ahhh and I did not realize that there was a godfather in this game. I understand that this is (yet another) variable. However with checking players it will be wise to note that the godfather is probably someone who can mask their identity (ie someone that could be good, but is bad). The book fanatics are going to really have to step up when we need to decipher between potential "bad" characters and the good ones. I'm ready to assist with what I can, but ultimately the detectives will need to make the choice to with-hold or post up valuable clue information. Luna Lovegood's father is probably the Traitor, or snape. GF could prob be either too. He was full on supportin harry in book 7, but instantly betrayed cuz luna was kidnapped. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 22 2010 13:03 Bill Murray wrote: i even almost left out severus on accident No. Amber. Snape is in the game. He almost did. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 23 2010 03:46 DCLXVI wrote: Now that we know there is a godfather I am more suspicious of Amber[light]. He is trying to arrange the two offices and asked for someone to rolecheck him once he gets an office. I am going to throw my vote on roffles for now for the same reason as hesmyrr. ... Wow you are dumb (or mafia) -_-....Anyone who campaigns on a plan to lynch this guy I'm for.... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 23 2010 05:20 Thegilaboy wrote: Hey everyone, back from another fun day at work. I'm going to go ahead and cast my vote for Radfield. The guy definitely seems to have a grasp on the game, and with all of the crazy spells and roles in this particular game, we need somebody like him to sort through the muck and the mire. Plus I support his notion of lynching the relatively inactive players, those just trying to skate by. And with that, I'm off for a bit of a bike ride. Oh and about the whole red/blue spells, it would seem that town has to have some access to red spells, what with DT's and Vigs alone. Seems we would have a very difficult game ahead of us if we had our hands tied from using those at all. You get points for the bike ride, but we all need to sort through the muck to find them. Not just follow the mayor...Mayor could be red. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Possible scum gamble to give Radfield mayor? Dun Dun Duuuuuuun | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 23 2010 05:50 Amber[LighT] wrote: THey're not only more votes, but they're votes from people who have no reasoning. Lol @ Abenson reading everything in 5 minutes and now having a "grasp" on the game, and at the same time voting for Radfield... nothing against him it's just the people that are voting for him are looking scummy  Notice Radfields sudden "I'ma vote for myself to secure governor?"? Yea... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 23 2010 07:15 DCLXVI wrote: any particular reason as to why? You called me dumb when I was explaining how to get perfectly innocent/inactive/scum to talk! Obviously! | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 23 2010 07:42 zeks wrote: Unless he is mason... Anyways Jugan's vote and Gila's vote switch were after 6:30pm et so they're void. ...Bill might not of been so firm. Is their any reason you care so much? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 24 2010 21:41 ElyAs wrote: For now I'm gonna do what AcrossFiveJulys and amber suggested. I was trying to see the differences between playstyles in mafia XXVII and here for OpZ, but since we are in the same list, I suggest that someone else does this (If I posted something in the lines of "He was mafia in the XXVII and he was less active/aggressive", I don't think it would have any meaning) I think I'm gonna do this for AcrossFiveJulys and zeks, they were in Mafia XXVI with me so I can do some analysis using the two games. Lol...No you figured out how I play as mafia?! Did I miss these lists or something? -er- anyway, I don't mind you trying to analyze me. Or anyone. Not hiding nothing this game. Ludwig needs to post. I'm for lynching YellowInk solely based on finding out if any of the random voters at the end (I'm part of that list) are mafia. I voted for him because I was uncertain of Radfield and didn't want Radfield to be pardoner. But YellowInk made a scummy post...In my eyes atleast. But he was going to lynch DC for me... Lol...At any rate, I'm going to take a look around now. Let's see what I find. On June 24 2010 23:00 lakrismamma wrote: Wouldn't it make more sense to investigate people on the other lists then the one you are on. This to prevent mafia from investigating eachother if they now had one candidate they wanted elected? Or am I missing something? OMG...Thank you for quoting Hes's post. I was wondering what the plan was. It seems the plan was to investigate...the people who all bandwagoned certain players? Examining different lists is fine. I feel like taking it a step forward though. Do not investigate those that investigate you. If they've already been investigated, fuck it, do your own investigation. Anyway, Hes how didn't you notice the flaw Lakrismamma just pointed out. Kinda obvious one.... On June 24 2010 23:27 Amber[LighT] wrote: I mean when you pick two people to investigate.. make sure that they are BOTH on the same list. You should not be picking people that are on the SAME list as you... and there can be overlap in analysis... that's encouraged actually. sorry for the confusion. Do what? What are you saying? Investigate the same list or a different list? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 15 2010 06:16 YellowInk wrote: Another flaw with any attempt to moderate whether you can explicitly name claim is that it can be unfair to deny a claim that you are a given name. For instance, can I say, "I am NOT Ron Weasly?" This gets to be a really slippery slope. If I can only deny claims made against me, I could just ask everyone to throw claims at me until they hit me, etc, an obvious breach of the spirit of the rules. Even if it weren't so blatant, it's clearly going in a direction that you do not intend. If we can't say, "I am NOT Ron Weasly," then suppose a player says I am either Ron Weasly or mafia (perhaps based on my list of abilities). It gets very messy as to how I can go about defending myself without saying whether or not I am Ron Weasly while still trying to show myself to be non-mafia. tl;dr it's really hard to moderate this kind of thing when accusations start getting thrown around. *Yawn* YellowInk's first posts in the thread are about game balance and things like that. These can not be used to judge him at all and do not fall for the "I was trying to help." Why yes, yes you were, but this was before you got your role PM that possibly coulda been Death Eater. Now it gets interesting First post of substance by yellowink http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131008¤tpage=10#186 + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2010 13:42 YellowInk wrote: MOD request: Please edit the rules to reflect actual gameplay. Upon reviewing the thread I have noticed scattered rule changes that do not appear reflected in the original post. As the thread gets larger, I will of course do my best to follow all of the rules you have set out, but we will all be using the original post as our core reference. Re my inactivity: I thought we were on a Monday start due to requests to avoid Father's day, so I did not check in here. No worries, I will be plenty active in this game, but now I have a tarnished opening record. =\ Re my nomination for MoM: I am fine with running for minister here. I don't think that I have any special qualifications beyond the other two candidates posed except, well, that I know I am town. But supposedly so do they, so yeah. If people feel that I would be a valuable choice in the election, I would gladly take the role to at least keep it out of death eater or even independant hands. My spellset would mesh reasonably well with an elected role, but regardless of election will need to remain concealed to keep its optimal efficiency. Re roleclaiming: Bill Murray has stated that we cannot mass roleclaim. We may not name claim. + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2010 05:09 Bill Murray wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2010 04:11 YellowInk wrote: My mafia experience is limited, but every game with a complete specific character list I have seen played (I've played in two) was a devastating victory for town. At some point in the game there is mass role claiming. Assuming all townies are truthful and mafia lying, that immediately brings the number of suspicious people down to #mafia x2. I'm not saying it's impossible to have a game like this balanced, but it takes a lot away from the game when, for instance here, there's only 10 people worth scouring for mafia and you effectively have 15 confirmed townies. To offset this, when there are characters in a given game, one common solution is to give the mafia a 'safe list' of what they can role claim without worry of being contested. There's still the problem here where say a player claims Ron Weasly and goes uncontested, they are nearly a confirmed townie because that role was almost certainly included in the game design. A crafty mod could leave one or two of these out just for the mafia's benefit though. To follow through on this with what you've already posted as well as preserve some integrity of mafia role claims, you could just list 25 town aligned roles and have 5 that just don't get assigned to town (and given to mafia as their safe list). I'm sure there are other ways to balance this as well. I just see complete uncontested character lists given at the start of game as a huge town advantage. Just my thoughts on the matter. I will not be accepting name claims to occur in this game unless I am sure it will be balanced or your role PM specifically states otherwise. You may spell claim, or claim whatever nonsense you want, but try not to break the game. "Not Slytherin,eh?" said the small voice. "Are you sure? You could be great, you know, it's all here in your head, and Slytherin will help you on the way to greatness, no doubt about that--- no? Re oddities in electoral positions: Note that the Minster of Magic does not have 3 votes. They get a weak form of bodyguard protection and choose the day 1 lynch. Note that the Governor does not get bodyguard protection and an indeterminate number of chances to pardon. This role seems nearly useless for town and incredibly powerful in death eater hands. I would wonder if it has some usefulness to 3rd parties. Policy decision: I think it may be a good policy to straight up say right now that if the Governor ever uses their power, we must hang the Governor the next day. We have masons, but I think that if we have a mason Governor it would just look too suspicious for them to save a mason anyhow. I would rather keep a death eater off gaining more than one day from this power guaranteed than for a potential town mason Governor to use this (since the town mason Governor has no way to confirm that the target is a mason anyway by rules). I have skimmed the thread to pick up the important bits but definitely not carefully enough to pick up on behavior, so I'll have to spend some more time on this. Still, it's just day 1, reads aren't the best. Also, prospective MoMs, if you havn't already, please indicate your interest for day 1 lynch and thoughts on how to organize. Okay, YellowInk soft claims a useful role or useful spell set I guess, and talks more on simple issues that...well...we would do anyway. Duh lynch the pardoner who fought the majority. Duh the BG protection is weak. Duh the mafia gain a day with a pardoner. He also speaks about BM not allowing name claiming (which he does now allow...or doesn't again?) Basically...I don't like soft claiming...And then progressing with a "policy decision" An interesting post now... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131008¤tpage=12#229 + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 02:56 YellowInk wrote: @ day 1 lynching policy: Unless a good red argument is presented, I would go after whomever is least active that is not going to be modkilled. We need people to be active to root out the red, so I encourage everyone to post frequently. @ existance of bus driver: I am sure this is a game full of spells. Be wary of when and how you use them. The bus driver is devastating if they can predict your movements. @ existance of godfather: With 4 death eaters and one being godfather, investigation seems even less useful than ever. If your investigations are of a limited number, use them wisely. If they are extremely limited, I would probably wait until you have someone analyzed on behavior before trying to check them out. @ DT investigations of me: I'm going to try to avoid wasting any of our investigations by saying that I would not be a good target for this. Whether you believe that makes me pro town or pro mafia is up to you. However I will say that in a few days if I am under heavy suspicion and people come after me with a lynch I should have enough substance to be able to defend myself and show myself to be town. @ medics: Whether this claim makes me worth of protecting or not is up to you. I would recommend slightly against protecting me as I would hate to see multiple medics covering me. It's good to keep the death eaters guessing on their targets, though. My partial claim should serve this well. Because I have come forward to say these things, I think that this would make me an ideal Governor. If I am red and end up being forced to use my pardon early, you will lynch me and my partner the following day - town would be in an excellent position. Since I have stated that if I come under suspicion later in the game I will likely be able to defend myself, you could use that to see that I am not red and therefore not have to worry about getting ambushed by a pardon effect in the late game. I would be fine if chosen as Minister of Magic as well, but I think with what I have claimed that the death eaters would not target me in the unprotected role of Governor due to fear of being blocked by a medic. Okay, we've all been talking about that we need to be active. Some people aren't going to be. You changed your lynch policy pretty face when I agreed that I would vote for you if you ran to lynch DC...Your partial claim should serve what well? That you get medic protection? The mafia would like that if you were, but you tried to push it off right...Oh wait...Then you said you'd probably get it anyway...whole thing wild eh? And with regards to the bolded part... Why pardon? I mean...You don't have to even if it is a mafia member. We all know that. It'd be better to not pardon in many instances. And you keep emphasizing you would rather have the pardon. Just like Radfield...wild I say! On June 23 2010 06:31 YellowInk wrote: I'll bite. I don't have a read on DCLXVI either way. If I'm elected MoM (which I think is unlikely), I'll lynch DCLXVI unless there is some other compelling argument. DCLXVI, don't take this the wrong way, I don't think I'll be elected MoM anyhow.  You should vote for me to get me into Gov if you have faith in me over the other two candidates. I believe you do since you voted for Roffles.I have to agree with the sentiment of not liking the Amber[light] & Radfield together ticket. Lol...So nice...He still wants to be Governor.... Supporters of the YellowInk: ElyAs JohnnySpazz LaXerCannon (Townie/Killed) and Please begin On June 24 2010 02:07 Hesmyrr wrote: Is night over? Want to start analyzing soon. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 25 2010 03:27 Bill Murray wrote: "He also speaks about BM not allowing name claiming (which he does now allow...or doesn't again?)" I don't mind name claiming if you are not a mason This makes being a mason a liability....what if I was a mason and everyones name claiming? Do I just make up a name or can I say my name and just leave out I'm a mason.... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 25 2010 03:53 Abenson wrote: *is desperately thinking of something helpful to write* This goes to everyone. Not just Abenson. Pick one or two people. Read some shit they've written. Summarize it. Post how you feel about it. Say whether you feel they are town/mafia. Whether they should be lynched, DT checked, protected. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 25 2010 18:53 lakrismamma wrote: Im off for the midsummer party. -sorry I didnt have time for post analysis. Im back on Sunday hope you catch some scums by then! K...Voting to lynch Lakrismamma based on this post. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 25 2010 23:07 Hesmyrr wrote: I would appreciate it if you responded to this post, ~OpZ~ + Show Spoiler + ~OpZ~ (June 23 2010 01:21) I like him more than you (not that I don't actually like you, ThreeKingdoms you were my buddy!). I'm actually planning on changing my vote still, and you had the same idea as me with Roffles, but I don't know if Roffles can scum find...I know Radfield can...But I learned my lesson from the game I was modkilled for. I was active, except the last day, and missed my vote. Radfield ALSO said he doesn't have as much time to dedicate to the game, (As I've pointed out) so I don't really feel he should be a mayor or pardoner. And Amber voting for Radfield (Amber trying to be pardoner?). Wow, is this paragraph confusing and ambiguous as hell. I'm not sure what kind of definite stance you are making here. My understanding is that you are pointing out your concerns about Roffles, Radfield, and Amber. Anyway I felt you were trying to avoid making definite stance on some of the candidates, which caused me to look at your voting history. ~OpZ~: Radfield (June 22 2010 14:02) -> AmberLight (June 23 2010 05:44) -> YellowInk (June 23 2010 06:32) Naturally this vote juggling has gotten me little confused. I would definitely like to hear your reasoning behind the vote switches. At ~OpZ~ (June 22 2010 13:08) you say "I'd nominate Radfield, but Radfield said he wont be as active" and that "I don't really give two craps about the mayor, but I most certainly hope he is active." So why did you vote Radfield one hour later? Note that you have repeatedly shown distrust toward Radfield and the fact that amber[light] was another viable candidate at the time. Why Radfield over Amber[light]? As for the vote switching, I looked and he does give justification behind it in ~OpZ~ (June 23 2010 05:47) and ~OpZ~ (June 23 2010 06:32), but the brevity of it really makes me uncomfortable. The tactic of trying to root out scums by looking at the d1 mayoral votelist kinda fails regarding player who shuffles their vote around like this. Link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5563227 Sry Hes, I seen it, but I figured at the end of it you seen I was justifying my vote switch. I was the first to vote for Radfield (actually the first to vote, on both days so far). And I told you my vote for Radfield was a place holder. If you recall I was modkilled in Incog's game because I didn't vote. (I was waiting for the end of the day to vote, but I was in Savannah getting my job back [and celebrating]). The first post you quoted...It was more of a note take, overly paranoid post. You see the style of writing? It's just my style of writing that is confusing I think. I was saying I liked Radfield more than you. See how I pointed out Amber voted for Radfield also? Well I don't like giving pardoner to people who say they want it over mayor...Why? (I'm sure you know). Town doesn't want pardoner. Mafia wants pardoner. So anyone asking for pardoner (YI and Radfield) looks suspicious to me. But Amber voting for Radfield struck me kinda off too. I have trust issues. =( I switched to Amber because Radfield started getting a lot of votes in a short amount of time with almost none of the people voting posting a reason. If you notice I've kinda seem to be being followed. When I posted my views on YI earlier the town suddenly started posting views on everyone which was very good for the town... (WHICH I HAVE NO IDEA why we stopped, but when I go back a page and see who one lined us into rule discussion I'm prob gonna change my vote to lynch that person). (Did you miss when I said my vote for Radfield was a place holder? because me and you had this talk previously in this thread iirc it was you that pointed out I said I didn't trust Radfield but voted for him. I can find that post if you like.) So then when I voted amber the same shit happened. Towns of people with little justification started voting for him. Now, take that how you want, but again, I didn't like that. Plus YI said he would lynch DC (lol), but that really didn't matter to me. If you look in the thread at that time, you would of seen me and amber DISCUSSING the voting and how we didn't like all the random votes with no reasoning. I don't care who's mayor because I don't listen to the mayor all the time. None of them had a true viable plan that I was willing to run with, and Radfield said he was going to be less inactive. We need to decide on night actions. There are plenty of other players you could be looking at who voted and didn't switch up like I did. I justified my vote changes. Amber and I were talking about the random votes. As to the bolded question. I'll say this again now just incase I wasn't clear or focused enough because I know I can be hard to follow and I'm never sure...but Radfield wanted pardoner ("Not to use it, but to make sure it wasn't used!" who wouldn't say that?). Amber wanted MoM. Well I didn't want someone who actually WANTED PARDONER to have pardoner.... I hope this clears it up hes. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
"Looking at the posts from page 12. This is my chronolgical train of thoughts. As for the vote switching, I looked and he does give justification behind it in ~OpZ~ (June 23 2010 05:47) and ~OpZ~ (June 23 2010 06:32), but the brevity of it really makes me uncomfortable. The tactic of trying to root out scums by looking at the d1 mayoral votelist kinda fails regarding player who shuffles their vote around like this. " This is why I figured you were just speaking your thoughts....I figured I gave enough justification for my vote switching. Page 13... On June 23 2010 05:56 Amber[LighT] wrote: I also like how a number of people who "read the thread" didn't read that we should also be considering a majority lynch. Like I said from the VERY BEGINNING please post someone you think should be lynched... the elected MoM should be considering the majority when deciding the person he wishes to lynch. I just noticed you said majority lynch. I guess I was the only one who suggested someone (DC lol)...Sorry man... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
The thing about your thoughts thing...I thought you had answered the question yourself by the way your post ended....Sry for the...many posts... And it was Radfield, Zeks, and Roffles that interrupted the line of analysis!! GRRR... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 26 2010 01:15 Hesmyrr wrote: ~OpZ~ (June 25 2010 02:26) Wait wait wait, "I voted for him because I was uncertain of Radfield and didn't want Radfield to be pardoner. But YellowInk made a scummy post...In my eyes atleast. But he was going to lynch DC for me..."? First, all of the post you bring up as scummy had been posted before you made your YI vote. Looking at your analysis you seem to have pretty decent evidence not to trust YellowInk. To the contrary, your suspicion of Radfield seem to consist of your gut feeling, or at least you never bothered to bring up why you found him scummy. So at that time there was three candidates which could take pardoner position: Radfield, Roffles, and YellowInk. If you had reason to believe YellowInk so suspicious, why would you want him to take pardoner position over Radfield- someone you felt uncertain about but at least there was no material to justify such feelings? In fact, if you found both Radfield and YI scummy why not push for Roffles to take pardoner position, especially when the fact you had previously considered the idea of having Roffles run as candidate? Since Pardoner is unprotected by Aurors and the role itself is useless to the town, Roffle's scumhunting ability would not really have mattered at all either. Also your statement that you voted YI because he was going to lynch DC... ? Lol...I hadn't thought about the whole situation yet. I jumped and was so concerned about trying to get pardoner off of Radfield that I didn't care about YellowInk. And then after the situation was over I reread that part of the thread, and realized YI just wanted to be pardoner too (not MoM)...You don't always notice things the first time round y'know? And I would of pushed for Roffles...but I haven't seen him play. At all. He didn't have a hugely pressing campaign (which iirc he didn't really campaign, you just nominated him). I considered him because I liked his posts...Also I didn't feel he would be able to gather enough votes from Radfield... _________ Cutting my analysis here b/c I see ~OpZ~ has replied. I understand Radfield and Amber[LighT], but I think my point still stands. "Well I don't like giving pardoner to people who say they want it over mayor...Why? (I'm sure you know). Town doesn't want pardoner. Mafia wants pardoner. / So anyone asking for pardoner (YI and Radfield) looks suspicious to me." You agree town should not give pardoner to mafia b/c it's a position only mafia would want / YI does said suspicious behaviour and you push for him instead of Radfield or Roffles? ...Radfield said he wanted pardoner >< YI too...Roffles didn't seem, in my eyes, to be able to pull votes. Not really digging your pressuring me, because it's a waste of time and makes me feel suspicious. Lol. If you recall, I've stated I didn't trust you either though, and would choose Radfield over you? To be honest, I could of just used that as my justification for not voting Roffles (your candidate), but I've given you my real reasons. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 26 2010 01:29 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Well I'm in favor of lynching either lakrismamma or abenson. here are my thoughts on the matter: Lakrismamma: in favor of lynching: inactive, useless to us not in favor of lynching: midsummer party is a really big thing in his country... and it's supposed to be big, so I do buy his story to some extent... who would let a mafia game get in the way of the biggest party of the year? the problem, though, is that same story would fit if he were mafia. so... my read on him is like 60% vanilla townie, 10% blue, 30% mafia. abenson in favor of lynching: inactive, self-preserving behavior trying not to get modkilled or noticed as particularly inactive, was rather defensive earlier when people said he was inactive. Also, he doesn't have a valid excuse for inactivity not in favor of lynching:: he could just be a bored vanilla townie, posted content about the kills from night 1. my read on him is around 45% vanilla townie, 45% mafia, 10% blue. Honestly. I'm in favor of lynching Radfield or YellowInk. TBH we get more information from either of them being lynched. =/ | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 26 2010 01:33 ~OpZ~ wrote: Honestly. I'm in favor of lynching Radfield or YellowInk. TBH we get more information from either of them being lynched. =/ If you don't know what I'm talking about information (lots of new people, and it's kind of ambiguous I guess), Radfield/YellowInk/Amber all had several votes just pop up right before time. And they have people who've voted for them... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 26 2010 03:19 YellowInk wrote: The lakrismamma bandwagon sucks. I'm surprised people like ~OpZ~, Amber[Light], and Thegilaboy are voting for this assuming they are actually town. They should know better. +2 scummy points for each of you. Sir, you are mafia. I've done posted why I thought you were, but I'm feeling a little more confident right now. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 27 2010 22:19 Radfield wrote: Or am I to assume that you two can communicate outside of the thread and that you're saying Lakrismamma is nagini? Yes, please assume that [/end sarcasm]. You Can assume Lakrismamma is Nagini though. I don't mind that one. On June 27 2010 22:27 Radfield wrote: Alternate theory: You cannot communicate with Jeejee outside of the thread, which means you are mafia, because you KNOW that lakris is nagini, and just accidentally outed yourself. I presume this is not the case, but hopefully Jeejee can confirm. Unless I'm completely missing a post by JeeJee, but I sure can't find it if I am. Idk about you, but if someone says their gonna be afk for a few days, I usually jump on that and do an alignment check... You can't just let someone you can't analyze sit there and live for 2 days and not post without doing SOMETHING. Shinbi clearly thought the same thing. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 27 2010 23:20 Radfield wrote: Presumably at some point all DE's will turn on their compatriates. Nothing makes you look like a good townie like nailing a Death Eater. Again, I think this is unlikely, but unless Jeejee and Opz can talk outside the thread, I don't see where Opz is getting his information. I suppose another theory is that Opz also has legilimancy, and also happened to check lakris last night, but that also seems unlikely. HEY SMARTGUY... IF I WAS DE, I tried to lynch him yesterday!! HIGH FIVE!!!! | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 27 2010 22:27 Radfield wrote: Alternate theory: You cannot communicate with Jeejee outside of the thread, which means you are mafia, because you KNOW that lakris is nagini, and just accidentally outed yourself. I presume this is not the case, but hopefully Jeejee can confirm. Unless I'm completely missing a post by JeeJee, but I sure can't find it if I am. Not to mention I'd be happy to point out everyone who defended Lakris, or said his lynch wasn't worth noticing. And YellowInk even went as far to say I was scummy for voting for him. DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN. Do you really want to press the issue with me, after I blatantly came out and offered you a DE, and possibly an easy way to find MORE? You should be looking at the people who defended him, or said to ignore him, not me. Thanks for understanding Radfield. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 27 2010 23:57 Radfield wrote: Are you trying to say that this clears you of all suspicion for the rest of the game? Of course not. I'm not quite sure what you're saying with all your /sarcasm etc, but I think it's that you also have Legilimancy, and also checked lakris. Given your suspicion of him yesterday, this makes more sense then I originally thought. Glad you see that now... Surely you agree though that if a rolecheck came back on a death eater, and that death eater was exposed, then the other DE's would be quick to jump on the lynch bandwagon. Of course, I doubt they would have done so yesterday right after he made that post, which gives you a lot of cred. But still, it's important to lay out the three ways that you could have known who Jeejee was talking about. Mason, DE or Legilimans. Eh true. But you sir, are forgetting the rules anyway. If I was a mason I'd of been modkilled for answering your question earlier. I'm not insinuating that you're a DE at this point, and frankly I get a fairly pro-town vibe from you. But the facts are all still there, you apparently knew jeejee was talking about lakris, you posted after he did, and you never mentioned anything about being a dt until pressed. Because I'm not a DT? If you're saying I should have just ignored all these things, then you're not nearly as pro-town as I suspected. No one gets a free pass at this point. If I was a mason or a death eater you should of ignored all that. Anyways, I do understand  and depending on how Lakris flips I assure you I WILL be looking very closely at anyone who defended him or moved the conversation elsewhere. You should do it now. No sense waiting. Also, you can wait til Shinbi posts whatever he was gonna post, or you can cast your vote now and help attain the majority so we can get night actions straight away. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 28 2010 13:16 Thegilaboy wrote: Yeah I know that's how it usually works, but we're in a magical game here I posted earlier saying we needed to lynch Lakris early to set up plans for what to do at night when we couldn't talk...I wasn't counting on this... @_@... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 29 2010 01:35 Abenson wrote: Isn't it twilight right now? It should be. -_-...But Bill never responded to the question regarding twilight in my PM or my question in the thread..... Just go reread the thread for suspects that were related to the lynched DE and defended him in some way or absolved suspicion. Radfield will be pointing all this out tomorrow presumably, as he promised me this in the thread. -_- | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 29 2010 02:33 Amber[LighT] wrote: you should probably not be told who to hit so mafia can't protect, or if we suggest someone and they do try to protect them we know that we should consider that individual for a lynch. It can really work both ways, and I figured we were in night mode, but BM never said not to speak Mafia can protect...? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 29 2010 05:28 Bill Murray wrote: well, i'm not being really strict on not posting in the night, so it's not that big of a deal. i'd just like people to talk more through PM during this time. i'm going to see when the day will start/should have started. ...True...ABENSON, Kill YellowInk or JohnnySpazz That is all. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
I have no legit info on YI other than my post earlier. Spazz was okay with killing him, so I'm not sure about him. But the talk of it kinda went down. Now, my biggest case against spazz (didn't he nominate YI?), and he was completely against lynching Lakris day 2, and Spazz voted for YI day 3? I'm not going to go over YI again, but here is some evidence... On June 28 2010 03:39 YellowInk wrote: @ JeeJee/LM/~OpZ~ shenanigans: I think it would be a good idea to wait untill JeeJee himself confirms LM is Nagini. Who is to say that ~OpZ~ isn't just twisting this whole thing? Remember that lynches occur when majority is hit, not just at end of day. My vote isn't going for a LM into JeeJee lynch untill I hear the words from the horse's mouth. On June 26 2010 03:19 YellowInk wrote: The lakrismamma bandwagon sucks. I'm surprised people like ~OpZ~, Amber[Light], and Thegilaboy are voting for this assuming they are actually town. They should know better. +2 scummy points for each of you. I think LuDwig- is a much better target if you want to go after inactives. There are no modkill rules in place Also | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 29 2010 06:35 Abenson wrote: Happy time? :D Also, I already sent in my hit like hours ago lol ...True... well own up to it tomorrow...I'm out for a bit. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 29 2010 17:57 Bill Murray wrote: i don't think i'm going to ever mod again Bill I'm having plenty of fun, don't get me wrong. We just need more cut/dry rules...I know you don't want shit to happen like in Caller's game, but that should of been done just by saying "Don't play against your win condition or be banned from my future games" <3 | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 29 2010 08:49 johnnyspazz wrote: THANK GOD I EVEN BREADCRUMBED MY NAME IN THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME IF I DIED CAUSE OF SOME RETARDED WHIM god damn opz you retard how can you think im not green ....Please post the post. I'm just reading the thread, just got home. What does breadcrumbing your name say? You've been investigated, so please let the person whom investigated you post the clues to who you are and who yellowink is. On June 29 2010 10:12 Roffles wrote: Shit, hit enter way too early. If YI is Voldy (High chances unless Abenson is fucking with us), then he wouldn't have been affected by the alleged Night Vig cause there's one more horcrux still out there. From here, I think we should take a look at YI's prior post history to see who he voted for, who has backed him to see if we can find any correlation in posting. But that's assuming Abenson is legit. So I think we should lynch Abenson first to see if he really was a Night Vig, then we'll see whether or not YI was indeed Voldy or whatnot. If Abenson flips Night Vig, then YI most likely Mafia or Voldy. Waste of time He is lying. On June 29 2010 10:47 YellowInk wrote: I'll keep this short. The facts: I am town aligned as has been vouched for by jspazz. A hit on me was blocked. I was covered by someone who believes I am town. My action was not roleblocked. Thus this implies: Amber[Light] is either lying or perhaps some bus driving occurred. Please read carefully the bus driver role - it switches the abilities between two targets - it is not based on the caster. So if someone did a bus drive on me with any other person, it would have swapped the hit, the role block, and the episky all to someone else. Well obviously that didn't happen. Amber[Light] did not target me with a role block. Amber[Light]'s voting has been suspect throughout - I'll let someone else elaborate on this as I'm a bit short on time at the moment to do the digging require to display. If no one gets to it, I'll put something together in four hours or so. Time to lynch Amber[Light]. Actually smarty pants, Amber has been voting following my lead for a few days now. He tried to lynch Lakris with me day 2. That's not very suspect. You argued against it, and lakris turned out to be Nagini. Need I go on about Amber's questionable voting or yours? On June 29 2010 10:54 Thegilaboy wrote: Can you tell me what naive would mean? Sorry, relatively new to mafia games so I'm not sure what that means? The good news is you can trust me. And if the town trusts JeeJee (he got us nagini guys), and he trusts me, then town should trust me. What about me? I outted Nagini and I'm sure I can be vouched for...Lol...But it's cool. I could still be a DE who turned on Nagini. But I'm not. On June 29 2010 11:27 Thegilaboy wrote: Ok, so now that we've taken a deep breath here and relaxed, perhaps some planning to be done? If I am indeed a naive DT (which only a faint possibility with my character, certainly not paranoid or insane), then it is possible that those alignment checks are coming up as false positives. But I'm willing to bet that my guy is definitely a normal guy from what I remember of him in the books. YI survived, saying he was both protected and not roleblocked. He also says that spazz knows him to be protown as well. I trust the two of them based off of the alignment checks that I had on them, so no votes for either of them from me. Opz called for Abenson to kill either of those two specifically, that's suspicious. AFJ thinks I'm lying, not much else from him there. Amber wants us to go after Yellow and not Abenson, which I disagree with again because of my checks. Roffles just wants to know what the fuck is going on :p I'm not calling for anyone's specific lynch because it's too early in our day for that. I think YellowInk voted really early, but I agree with his vote. I don't trust Amber, and now I'm not trust Opz as well now that I realized he asked for those targets. The problem of course is also the existence of the bus driver, which could make a lot of our theorizing garbage since things may/could/will just get switched around. Any thoughts? I'd really like to hear more from you JeeJee, since we can trust eachother and might want to formulate a bit of a plan. All in all, this is getting exciting! YI ran for MoM. If he is voldy then this would make the most sense. Sorry if you don't trust me. On June 29 2010 13:07 YellowInk wrote: There was an explanation. Please read the thread. I have a clear post associated with each vote and the vote was cast before the nagini lead. You were here AND COULD OF CHANGED YOUR VOTE onto the person outed as Nagini. You chose not to. You had plenty of time. And posted. On June 29 2010 13:31 YellowInk wrote: Amber[Light], there is one way I could potentially be convinced that you are town. You need to make a full role claim and you need to do it now: Your name, note all of your abilities (except mason since that gets you modkilled), and anything else of relevance. Furthermore, if you have knowledge of why I ask this of you and why it benefits the town so greatly, you are welcome to disclose this as well. BM actually posted in the thread that in certain instances claiming mason won't get you killed. We had a decent discussion about it in the thread. On June 29 2010 13:39 YellowInk wrote: You say this like there's nothing else to do. How about opinions of ~OpZ~, Jayme, Radfield, or Roffles? All this suspicion being pointed at me? Why? I voted Lakrismamma on DAY TWO. WE LYNCHED HIM DAY THREE. I was right then, and I was right when we lynched him a day later. Stop trying to throw suspicion onto me when I'm blatantly right. You're not Caller-ing your way out of this. On June 29 2010 13:49 Roffles wrote: Don't forget that OpZ was calling for Abenson to use his AKs on YI and Spazz. But Gila and JeeJee, who have confirmed themselves to be aligned townies have confirmed YI/Spazz as townies (Gila's checks). JeeJee never confirmed YI or Spazz. On June 29 2010 15:01 Bill Murray wrote: abenson to be modkilled for posting the exact damn pm i sent him... my first modkill. he was draco malfoy, 3rd Party Flavor Cop/limited night Vig as a result whatchamacallit - Narcissa Malfoy. 3rd Party Roleblocker and acrossfivejulys – Lucius Malfoy – 3rd Party Traitor (hidden with mafia). Roleblocker. have also died. Lucius was technically mafia. AFJ and Lakrismamma voted for Amber.... WHOA-MG!!! Maybe YI is legit?! I gotta do something and I might open up a little more... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 29 2010 20:21 Radfield wrote: OK, AFJ and BM that's enough. Same goes for flamewheel and BC We have a situation here that needs some serious clarity. But jeejee just killed Amber[light] in the thread. However, Jeejee states he was roleblocked last night, so does the roleblock carry over to today? For Opz: Jspazz zeks Hesmyrr AcrossFiveJulys Yellowink Amber[light](by virtue of the vote switch) As far as I can tell, these 6 people came down on the side of Lakris. Both Hesmyrr and Zeks flipped town, Jspazz, AFJ and Yellowink all basically said the same thing(not worth the time or the people voting for Lakris are scummy), and Amber[light] made the vote switch at the end. Yellowink and Amber's name keep popping up, obviously both are not mafia, and Amber is probably about to die. It's does seem very likely though that one will flip red. This means we're down to only one remaining Death Eater, which is basically a town win given how much dt power we have. Given that BM has been posting, but hasn't mentioned the AK by jeejee, I think we can assume it didn't go through. If we have another dayvig around, please take out Amber. This allows us to take out YI with our lynch if Amber flips town. Well if any medic would like to come forward I'll make a shocking claim. We'll only need you for one night...If Amber is the scum one, then YI should be okay....And that would make YI an actual med...And we'll need to have a discussion, yes sir we will. But I still have to wait a bit... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Johnnyspazz, did you breadcrumb your characters name? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Don't post it, you have no worries from me yet. Lol...Nice...What are you're abilities if you don't mind my asking actually. Those would be more interesting than the rest of your name. I assure you, we are most certainly about to win... I'd honestly assume your character would be a vig or something like that...or a role blocker... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 29 2010 21:42 Jayme wrote: Assuming the Day Vig stuff went through Amber Light should be a smoking husk of a person since he just got AK'd twice... If he doesn't die he's voldy, that's pretty much the only plausible explanation of living through two of them. Or that other Auror is still alive. Actually I'm sure me and Shinbi are both unaware whether we can even kill Amber...Lol....Unless he asked BM. Amber IS the MoM, and I WILL NOT be voting for Amber. My mind is made up that my vote is going for YellowInk's death. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 29 2010 21:53 Amber[LighT] wrote: Well I have two lives, so throwing AK's around like this was stupid. I wasn't trying to let the death eaters know so they should try to take out the aurors and waste time. Hope you guys are aware of who you killed. JeeJee's wasn't bolded, so I'm not sure if his counts. His counting could be MILDLY important. xD | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 29 2010 21:58 Amber[LighT] wrote: No offense, but you guys need me to stay alive for the bonus town votes. If they kill just a few more people they will have control. I'm the last vote block they have to go through. I'm trusting you to make the best choices Opz. I've kinda been trusting you the whole time to make the best choices and I've stuck with just about every vote choice you made. If I die don't mess this up Bellatrix should be the other person alive for the DE's....I think...Her and voldy. We still haven't found the hidden Horcrus, so Mr. Potter will you please step your ass forward? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 29 2010 22:14 Amber[LighT] wrote: sup. I wasn't told I was a horcrus though. Do you think you would be told you were a horcrux? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
NEW DEVELOPMENT AMBER IS POTTER!!! HAHAHAHAHA everyone vote YellowInk for death. That is all. HAHAHAHAHAHA Amber claiming potter has got to be legit? Why? UH Hello, DUH Harry's in game. So, if Harry = horcrux, I hope my attack hits. Then we can lynch Voldy and gg it. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 30 2010 04:14 Amber[LighT] wrote: I wasn't planning on using it. I can use the AK curse at night, hence why I was saving it. Sounds DEish to me. Uhm....Okay....Well...I see me and Shinbi didn't kill Amber...He is either Voldy or Harry...Nothing about a horcrux....So I have an idea..... Sucks another townie died and we gained NO information.... Well...Lets lynch amber....He had two mafia vote for him...has messed up several times....Radfield is in hiding.... Time to name claim fellas.... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
JohnnySpazz is? Ginny Weasely AmberLight is? Harry Potter Gila is Filius Flitwick DOES ANYONE Else feel like claiming? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 30 2010 04:36 YellowInk wrote: I find it unlikely that Harry could be Imperious Cursed. This is why I am not convinced of Amber[Light]'s claim. But... hard to say for sure. Thus discussion should be open for who else to potentially hang. I think, however, that Amber[Light] will remain the best target even if it's not 100%. So you are medic? Who are you? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 30 2010 04:41 johnnyspazz wrote: wait you got filius flitwick from his exchange with jeejee? No | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 30 2010 04:42 YellowInk wrote: I don't think that mass role claim is the best strategy. At least not yet. Then please post one. I asked for your name, NOT your role. Now please post or I'll let Amber run the death train into your hood. Honestly, I took my vote off you to stall til later, and I'm still not that convinced of your innocence. So please convince me. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Glad we're on the same page. Why did you post that earlier when I said I know who you were? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
So....Please post up people. Jugan, Jayme, Radfield,YellowInk, Roffles Chezinu (replacing stormtemplar) Severus Snape, Survivor Flavor Cop whatchamacallit (replacing ludwig-) ). Narcissa Malfoy, Lover - 3rd party Roleblocker Jugan Jayme acrossfivejulys Lucius Malfoy - Treacherous Lover Mafia Roleblocker. johnnyspazz - Ginny Weasely lakrismamma Nagini, Mafia Flavor Cop Radfield JeeJee Hesmyrr Rubeus Hagrid, Paranoid Gun Owner YellowInk ~OpZ~ zeks - Molly Weasley, Limited Weak Bodyguard Roffles DCLXVI - Charlie Weasley, Townie ElyAs Madeye Thegilaboy Kingsley Shacklebolt, Dayvig LaXerCannon - Madame Pomfrey, Doctor Amber[LighT] - Harry Potter Abenson - Draco Malfoy, Lover - 3rd party Flavor Cop/1 shot Night Vig thegilaboy (replacing subversion) - Flitwick | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
If Amber lives and I die, he's mafia. If I live in the morning, his alignment should be easily ascertained. Gilaboy, or myself will know. I say if, because one of you is going to die. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 30 2010 05:03 YellowInk wrote: Why? If Amber[Light] really is Harry Potter and I really am town aligned and Harry really did get Imperious Cursed (or BM posts that protego somehow protects against role blocks as AL suggested might be possible), what is wrong with this picture? What is a jack and how does this protect you? Jacks have access to multiple abilities and spells. But I'm done...We've all suggested interest to your plan, either you post it or you don't. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
I'm done stalling. Yellowink is death eater trying to make a safe claim by not claiming now...Unless he cares to claim now | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 30 2010 05:10 Radfield wrote: I'm Scrimgeour. I can investigate, but I'm not sure if it's any good or not, as my only successful investigation was useless as far as I can tell. Night one: roleblocked Night two: Yellowink : Came back as this "you bounce on your behind down the street after falling from a window" No clue as to what it means Night Three: roleblocked Hahahaha....Ok...Awesome...I wish you would of posted this earlier? Radfield, do you get why Shinbi didn't trust Gilaboy with his "DT alignment" check. We've all gotten clues as DT's. Now to find that.... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 30 2010 05:15 Amber[LighT] wrote: PROOF I AM NOT LYING. The roleblock did not block protego. BM should explain the mysterious spell triangle that NO ONE knew about, even though we had asked about the AK curse on Day 1... ...Post some more Radfield please! thx!! | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 30 2010 05:19 YellowInk wrote: I will confirm that Radfield has investigative abilities that successfully targeted me on night 2. I will request again that you claim your name. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 30 2010 05:25 JeeJee wrote: stop with the nameclaims the next claim should be yink, nobody else Exactly...NO ONE CLAIM anything. Until yellowink does. Sorry. -_-...Nobody wanted to post and help get the name out of him. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 30 2010 05:35 Radfield wrote: Yellowink you're being way too obscure. You've been this way all game and it's time to give up the goods or you're getting lynched. It's simple as that. All name claims are meaningless at this point anyways. Neither Scrimgeour not Flitwick were on the initial name list if I recall, which opens up a monsterous world of major characters. There are a ton that are not present in this game so far. Opz, I did reveal my investigative powers, only it was in the big plan that I laid out, and then didn't post after realizing my count was off. I should have made another post but I didn't even think about it. No sir. Name claiming is checkable in this game do you see? Lol. We have PLENTY of DT's. We got Amber, who has to get clues and post them and they actually gotta be right about who he is posting with. We got YInk who has to find out what Shinbi has encrypted | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 30 2010 05:39 JeeJee wrote: i disagree characters like flitwick or scrimgeour are pretty important chars if someone suddenly decides to claim some minor character like cho chang, we know they're full of shit This too. And lol....random shit encrypted...haha... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 30 2010 05:47 johnnyspazz wrote: jugan/roffles/jayme remaining deatheaters anyone object to this? I'm more to believing Radfield/YI are the last DE... They'd be able to back each other up and throw out clues to each other. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 30 2010 05:49 johnnyspazz wrote: can someone tell me what i should do with my vote cause i gotta bounce When does day end? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 30 2010 05:57 Radfield wrote: True enough, we've got more than enough dt power to check all unconfirmed townies in one/two nights. Confirmed townies: Jeejee, Opz, Jspazz, thegilaboy, Amber(?) Unconfirmed: Roffles, Radfield, Jugan, Jayme, Yellowink Opz, are you actually a confirmed townie? Aside from the nagini lynching, which was a little strange, where else have you been confirmed? I just want to make sure that we don't have Death Eaters in a list of confirmed townies. We still don't have your name claim, which can wait until after Jugan and Roffles of course. Obviously you seem the most pro-town of anyone, and I highly highly doubt you are DE, but i'm sure you agree nothing should be taken for granted at the end of the game. Jeejee: Outed Nagini Thegilaboy: checked by Jeejee? Opz: Second vote on Nagini, checked by someone? Jspazz: checked by thegilaboy Amber: roleclaimed HP Yellowink: roleclaimed Neville Radfield: Roleclaimed Scrimgeour Jayme: Hermione Jugan Roffles Had the first vote on Nagini TWO DAYS IN A ROW. -_- or was it the second vote on day 3? BUt I voted first on Day 2... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 30 2010 12:33 YellowInk wrote: Is your method of verification the AK? Or do you have some other method? I don't think it's likely we'll be able to point and say 'that guy is obviously HWMNBN'. Even if we get it down to most likely being one of two people, we'll still probably miss. Is this going to be especially bad? Right now I'm not happy with Jugan or Roffles. I suspect there's nothing else Roffles can say about it besides 'No really, I'm Aberforth', but that really is a pretty fringe character as far as the story goes. Consider that pretty much all of the named characters have had a significant impact on the story. The most fringe characters like Kingsley were just needed to fill the role of MoM bodyguard. Charlie Weasley is another fringe, but he at least can potentially fit into the Weasley network somehow. How does Aberforth fit into the game design? Ya...Roffles do you have any abilities?... I have an idea... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 01 2010 07:13 YellowInk wrote: @BM I'm a little confused, why is the current voting setup L-1? If everyone who hasn't voted votes for someone else, Jugan is still lynched - in other words, the majority have voted for Jugan. Why are we not in twilight? @Jugan If you really are green/blue and playing this way, you are being unsportsmanlike. If you're red, it's cool that you're being disruptive and it's a good thing we got our important business out of the way already. So, if you're green/blue, since BM is sitll letting you talk, you should spill absolutely everything you know (not what you speculate, just what you know). He probably thinks I'm mafia. Lol.... Anyway, no... Gilaboy should investigate YI. Radfield should still investigate me. (Just because I want to see my clue...) | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 01 2010 08:02 YellowInk wrote: Why would you wish Gilaboy to investigate me... again? Oh my bad...Then Radfield should investigate you and Gilaboy should investigate me....Kk that clears everything up...I forgot which investigated you for a minute. Haha | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 01 2010 08:03 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh my bad...Then Radfield should investigate you and Gilaboy should investigate me....Kk that clears everything up...I forgot which investigated you for a minute. Haha Oh wait...Radfield said he investigated you...Damn....Hmm....How to figure out this puzzle then...Hold on...Ok...Yea, Radfield def should investigate me...Lol...I'm trippin...Gilaboy should prob look at Roffles... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 01 2010 08:09 Thegilaboy wrote: So many options I see. I take it there is I reason you're shifting my investigation around between Roffles and yourself? Well...I really want Radfields clue on myself, but since you say you don't get clues, just alignment I'd rather you investigate me. If I come up DE, then we will know who the two DE are.(I'd rather Radfield getting a clue on someone else that has a shaky name claim too, but if I come up mafia, Jspazz and YI are mafia... Ya dig? Lol. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 01 2010 08:09 Thegilaboy wrote: So many options I see. I take it there is I reason you're shifting my investigation around between Roffles and yourself? Who did you investigate last night? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 01 2010 08:19 Thegilaboy wrote: I've only done the two investigations thus far, YellowInk and johnnyspazz, both coming up protown. Were you roleblocked a day? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 01 2010 08:22 Thegilaboy wrote: I didn't take over subversion's role until a night had passed I believe, so he missed an opportunity. As of right now, I'm figuring out who I'm going to check since we've got night actions coming up Investigate me, JeeJee, (if bill will let you yourself =P), or Amber...No one shaky, and don't tell us which you'll investigate. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
But okay...Well, nevermind guys, lynch YI tomorrow. He's hoping a blatantly obvious townie is killed by a modkill. Lol. Come the hell on, if this guys town he's a dim wit. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 01 2010 08:30 YellowInk wrote: I find it interesting that ~OpZ~ is still trying to shake up a good plan. And yes, Thegilaboy. Except when I was going to go to quote the post, I see that it's not a modkill. I'm pretty sure it was a modkill, but the post has been edited, so can't say for sure. Why are you seriously hoping beyond all hope that I'm modkilled? Lol. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 01 2010 08:40 YellowInk wrote: If you were town, you also wouldn't say things like this. Why? Because even if I were a dim wit, I've been investigated twice (one of which is a manner by which a godfather role would not protect me) and posed that I can demonstrate beyond all doubt (though at great cost) that I am town. To even suggest to lynch me is absurd - a townie would rather force me to 'prove' it if there really were such support that. Should I fail to do so, then lynching would be on the table. Seriously. Whether you are town or death eater, you're making errors. I hope people aren't wondering why I've been suspicious of this guy anymore. At least before the tells were more subtle. You keep talking about this great cost to town rubbish. I'm really tired of it. Either say it, or stop soft hinting. Killing me would be a great cost to the town imo. And how did you go from being so about to die to being unkillable? -_-...I think you let Jugan's bs lynch go to your head you modkill happy moron. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 01 2010 08:40 YellowInk wrote: If you were town, you also wouldn't say things like this. Why? Because even if I were a dim wit, I've been investigated twice (one of which is a manner by which a godfather role would not protect me) and posed that I can demonstrate beyond all doubt (though at great cost) that I am town. To even suggest to lynch me is absurd - a townie would rather force me to 'prove' it if there really were such support that. Should I fail to do so, then lynching would be on the table. Seriously. Whether you are town or death eater, you're making errors. I hope people aren't wondering why I've been suspicious of this guy anymore. At least before the tells were more subtle. And...No...A townie would say that if they have been all but vouched for by quite a few confirmed persons, outted a mafia (I tried to get him killed when he was afk, and when he I posted saying that he was Nagini). -__-...AFJ tried to throw suspicion at me a few times. Do you really want to go there? I'm not Jugan. I suspect you still, and I don't think Legi overpowers Occlumency. I've stated why I don't trust you, but if I come up mafia I will close the game right there. We will win. Lol. Promise to all that is and forever will be. If you've only checked two Gila, then check me, yourself, jeejee, or amber. Spazz, I'm not sure about you. I never am. You don't say much....But if I come up innocent, I'm more likely to believe you to be. =D Not to mention we should have 3 more confirmed people, given Occlumency doesn't block legi | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 01 2010 08:52 JeeJee wrote: that's fine go check scrimgeour actually these side characters be sketchy yo -_- Bleh, listen to Shinbi. He's probably been thinking about it a little more than me. I'm guessing Shinbi is checking YellowInk to make sure Radfields check on him is legit? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 01:03 YellowInk wrote: I don't understand why ~OpZ~ and JeeJee havn't straight up role claimed. What could possibly be gained by their remaining hidden when the rest of us have our roles exposed? Let me help you....I'm kinda like how Jugan is...Like...in that sorta pickle...Radfield and me were talking earlier about it a few times...I told him not to bother asking repeatedly because I'm not going to answer him. He can either take that as me being secretive, or that I can't. And you've all actually came close to getting it several times, because I fucked up posting. Now...Either you understand why I haven't claimed, and possibly why JeeJee hasn't, or you don't. I can't go into detail about it. -____-;; But I'm not DE and neither is he. Also I will be voting to lynch YInk today. He wanted me modkilled, which is shady behavior at this stage in the game. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
And NO body seriously find YInk wanting me dead by modkill suspicious? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 01 2010 10:21 johnnyspazz wrote: lol what opz, if you come up innocent you're more likely to believe i'm innocent? don't you know if youre innocent or not already? also damn i just read 3 pages of jugan being a terrible townie if he is indeed ron. Lol....No sir. We weren't sure of Gilaboy's sanity...Now its either naive or normal. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Korynne are you a busdriver?! | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 29 2010 13:50 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: ~OpZ~ has been posting confusingly, and seemed to be in contact with JeeJee through PM (he said he "agreed" with jeejee that lakris should be lynched before jeejee announced that lakris is nagini). This means that he has a role that can PM... besides death eaters, I have no idea who can PM, possibly masons? Maybe opz and jeejee are masons together. Jayme has been awfully quiet lately. Don't have a specific read on him, but he does seem a bit off. Radfield... where the hell has he been? I do get a slightly scummy vibe from him, but the fact that he didn't pardon lakris gives him a small amount of credit (though if he is a death eater, he could be waiting until later to pardon a death eater so he doesn't reveal himself). Roffles has been posting pretty pro town and sensibly, and seems neutral for the most part... perhaps too much so. My recommendation for rolecheck tonight is radfield. If he does turn out red, we can lynch him before he pardons a death eater. Of course, he could be godfather, but that's always a risk. If he managed to get himself pardoner as the godfather, then he's a better player than I give him credit for. Here we go...I think I gotta few people who aren't DE in here...Also AFJ "thought" Gilaboy was lying about all his stuff....So Gila seems legit Now lets just look at this, Jayme, Radfield, Roffles, OpZ, JeeJee, Gilaboy...Only missing Yink amber and Spazz amirite? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 29 2010 20:33 Radfield wrote: Likely confirmed townies at this point: Jeejee Opz Thegilaboy Checked green by thegilaboy(who may be naive however) Yellowink Jspazz Others Myself Roffles Jugan Jayme Amber Presumably Amber and YI will die today, sorting out our current mess. Even if both flipped green(moderately unlikely) it leaves us in a great spot. Mafia with a KP of 1, 3 confirmed townies who possibly all(?) have dt checks available to them, with 5 unknown players. Mafia roleblocker is dead. Either Jeejee or Opz will still have a daykill available to them. There is still a Tree Stump in the game. The survivors and traitors are all likely dead. Give me a minute to come up with a game plan here, because I think we should be able to wrap this up. How'd I go from likely confirmed to being #1 suspect? -_-...I tried to Daykill AMBER with JeeJee...Would a mafia purposely put himself out there? Oh and remember the Daykill counted as one? Mafia wouldn't try and Daykill unless they would win with it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131008¤tpage=44#876 On June 25 2010 04:05 Bill Murray wrote: you can claim it only if you have to. for example: you are near being lynched, or someone else is claiming your name. don't worry about the masons Only if I have to....Honestly YInk, you've done tried to get me modkilled once. Lololololololol How about this, I claim and you tell us what your role does? Or my favorite, I claim (possibly modkilled) we lynch you? =D!!! -_- Honestly...Go through the thread...Do you see what i've been concerned with? Do you see who BM is talking to in the quoted text? I shouldn't NEED to, and at the moment I don't need to.... I know the passwords to the encryptions, before the roles were revealed. Must I really go on?! Because I'm done with it. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
DE* argh..death eater, death eater, death eater, death eater, death eater, death eater, death eater, death eater ><** | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
But please tell us who else you feel looks scummy? Lol. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
How'd I go from likely confirmed to being #1 suspect? -_-...I tried to Daykill AMBER with JeeJee...Would a DE purposely put himself out there? Oh and remember the Daykill counted as one? DE wouldn't try and Daykill unless they would win with it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131008¤tpage=44#876 I also asked you a few pages ago, WHY ARE YOU SO INTERESTED IN ME GETTING MODKILLED. (Capped it because I think you missed it last time) | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 02:28 YellowInk wrote: Similar to you/JeeJee, I know Radfield has some investigative property, but that doesn't confirm him to be town if Thegilaboy is naive or Radfield is godfather. I havn't been impressed with Roffles' play, but the only way Roffles is DE is if Radfield is DE. This may actually be a more likely situation if you and JeeJee role claim and that claim provides some evidence of your being town. There is also the possibility that JeeJee isn't vouching for you - I don't recall and can't find any place where he defends you directly. Then I could see you and johnnyspazz or you and Thegilaboy being in it together. We do seem to have too many detectives, though an alignment checking DT is weaker in this setup due to only 3 death eaters being detectable by this. So you can see why I have great interest in you revealing more about yourself. Since you have the ultimate defense, should I vote for you secure that the death eaters can't take you down? Or do you have more that you are now willing to share? Lol. Idle threats of a weak argument aren't going to scare me. You must convince half the town to vote for me. Be my guest and try. I've done explained it, and your the only one that doesn't seem to get it. I've claimed as far as I'm claiming on my own, so since you can't take that off with you. I'm done with this argument. And it's funny how you just threw suspicion onto all the people who's roles I've stated... But whatever. Lol. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 02:37 Amber[LighT] wrote: To be honest I don't know why YI or I are being considered. First off lynching me is suicide and anyone that thinks so is ridiculous. I offered numerous times to be checked in this game. Since you get a clue back even someone who's read one book should be able to pick up on my character. I think it's really suspicious that we have all of these detectives running about. Two of which are obtaining clues, the other is obtaining roles, and that just doesn't sit right. Want to confirm a list of townies? Take out the Detective that's making claims. No offense to our detectives, but it's been three days and you each have done a number of checks. Let's confirm our detective work. If someone flips red then they are obviously trying to manipulate checks, but it gives us a chance to focus on a list of players left in this game. My target suggestion? TheGilaBoy He's the odd-man out and has a "unique" role that needs confirmation. Think about it. If you lynch me what do you gain? Knowing that you now have to face an uphill battle in lynchings and no auto-kill for HWMNBN. Kill TheGilaBoy and you get to know if his checks are real or just his way of sending us off-course. Also we know YI is a protector. Do you want to risk lynching the last medic in the game? Gilaboy is not DE...I've checked him and he wears cute lil miniature bow ties. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 02:37 Amber[LighT] wrote: To be honest I don't know why YI or I are being considered. First off lynching me is suicide and anyone that thinks so is ridiculous. I offered numerous times to be checked in this game. Since you get a clue back even someone who's read one book should be able to pick up on my character. I think it's really suspicious that we have all of these detectives running about. Two of which are obtaining clues, the other is obtaining roles, and that just doesn't sit right. Want to confirm a list of townies? Take out the Detective that's making claims. No offense to our detectives, but it's been three days and you each have done a number of checks. Let's confirm our detective work. If someone flips red then they are obviously trying to manipulate checks, but it gives us a chance to focus on a list of players left in this game. My target suggestion? TheGilaBoy He's the odd-man out and has a "unique" role that needs confirmation. Think about it. If you lynch me what do you gain? Knowing that you now have to face an uphill battle in lynchings and no auto-kill for HWMNBN. Kill TheGilaBoy and you get to know if his checks are real or just his way of sending us off-course. Also we know YI is a protector. Do you want to risk lynching the last medic in the game? Who did "the last medic protect" each night? That's a good question. Especially since he's claimed med and hasn't been killed. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 02:41 ~OpZ~ wrote: Gilaboy is not DE...I've checked him and he wears cute lil miniature bow ties. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 02:45 YellowInk wrote: Amber[Light], what do you think of ~OpZ~'s ultimate defense being horcrux? Well hypothetically, if I was VM, and Amber was HP, and I did cast Avada Kedavra on him (which I actually did, and have linked on last page), then I think my hypothetical Horcrux is destroyed. =D Oh, and Yink, you're thinking that...two death eaters would have to come out into the open and BOTH of them OPENLY Day Vig someone...Right? That's what you think BM made the game. He made it where two death eaters need to come out in the open just for one kill during the day? Not to mention one of them, according to you, HAS TO BE THE GF!!! -__- You sir, are an idiot. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 02:37 Amber[LighT] wrote: Also we know YI is a protector. Do you want to risk lynching the last medic in the game? Medic is the role people claim where they won't have to verify their actions. Dontcha know that? -_-... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Avada Kedavra: YellowInk | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 03:04 Amber[LighT] wrote: I wasn't targeted last night. I think that should throw up a few red flags. I'm not sure if BM would intentionally hide the 2nd horcrux within another character. It seems unlikely as the first horcrux was Nagini, unless Opz is a diary or a cup etc... I just can't sit here and say I completely trust the Opz/JeeJee bandwagon lately as we still haven't been able to lynch a DE since Lakris. I don't want to go out and kill Opz or JeeJee though.... If Opz is in fact a horcrux we should kill him though. If I die then Opz needs to go. You can't kill VM without both horcrux's, but I am able to kill VM without the horcrux being eliminated. I would rather keep us both alive (if he's a horcrux) and try to win with the most town members alive as possible. Opz should not be a suspect on the same level YI and I should not be suspects. Are you ignoring ME AND JEEJEE "killed" you?! You are either voldemort, or the horcrux died. one or the other. And if you're harry, then the horcrux died. That simple. Has to be...-_- And you have to be Harry...so bleh... -_- | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 03:09 YellowInk wrote: Logic fails you. You and JeeJee could be Bellatrix and Peter. Maybe johnnyspazz is HWMNBN. Since BM has refused us up to date numbers. We really don't know if there are 2 or 3 death eaters left. If the flavor can be trusted, maybe it is as you say. You and JeeJee are HWMNBN and Peter. If you could kill Harry Potter then claim you thought it was HWMNBN, maybe you'd manage to weasel out of being hung because of 'how much you have helped the town with your investigating'. You've all but claimed mason, so if you got investigated by say Thegilaboy and came up clean, that could be enough to take the game. Or, again, Bellatrix could be hidden in our midst to take the game. There are plenty of explanations for how you and JeeJee could be death eaters. Since you say you have the 'ultimate' defense and continue to refuse to claim, you're getting my vote now. If you really are town I hope you come to your senses before the lynch unlike Jugan. I'm not posting it. I've done said it. I doubt I'll end up like Jugan though. *yawn*"Oh, and Yink, you're thinking that...two death eaters would have to come out into the open and BOTH of them OPENLY Day Vig someone...Right? That's what you think BM made the game. He made it where two death eaters need to come out in the open just for one kill during the day? Not to mention one of them, according to you, HAS TO BE THE GF!!!" This was ignored again. So your saying to death eaters publicly need to kill someone, and do it together. Gotcha! | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 03:36 JeeJee wrote: oh yeah scrimmy and ginny were presumably checked by gila who's presumably townie which only leaves 1 de which obviously isn't right sooo He checked Yink too... Remember, we're thinking he's Naive, but haven't come across another mafia yet.... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 04:00 Radfield wrote: This doesn't make sense to me Opz. You're claiming that shooting Amber somehow clears you of suspicion, because DEs would never do such a thing. I'd say that DEs with AK powers would be looking for a chance to take out townies when those townies are most suspicious looking, but haven't been given time to defend themselves. Which is kinda what happened. Not to mention that Amber is the juiciest target for the mafia to target. And how would you AKing someone mean BM made you do it? I don't understand what you're saying there. Also, both you and Jeejee are forgetting the possibility that Thegilaboy is a godfather. If he was the godfather, then he would likely have a fake persona, since he'd need to come back as townie on all role/alignment checks. This fits well with my thought that BM provided a safe list to the DE's(he totally flip-flopped on his whole legal/illegal to name claim thing) The part you are quoting... Radfield...Me and JeeJee both posted to kill Amber. It counted as one attack. Look at the post he made "I found ~OpZ~'s no problem, next time bold yours JeeJee" or something similar....Would two death eaters really have to both post "AK: Amberlight" and expose themselves just for one day kill? BM didn't make me do anything other than not claim. Gilaboy could be GF I suppose...But does the GF get to control who he appears as? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 04:02 Radfield wrote: But here's the real problem Opz. You're trying to kill, or just killed(with your spoilered AK), the person who Jeejee supposedly investigated last night. If you and Jeejee are tied at the hip like you say, then presumably he should have let you know his results, which would be the same as I got on Day 2, meaning YI is Neville Longbottom. Of all the people in this game, he would basically be our most confirmed townie, given that he's been role checked three times! And you just killed him? Either that or you're bullshitting up the thread with fake Avada Kadavras, which is super disruptive. Because if he's most confirmed he's an idiot. -_-...Jesus christ, he has been telling me I'm mafia forever...Is this because I suspected him in the beginning. Anyway. We should stop arguing. Let's lynch JohnnySpazz. He claims to have no abilities. Then lets lynch Korynne (Roffles). Roffles claimed to have no abilities, after claiming he had a one time use ability. I'm quite done. Anyone claiming to have NO Ability this game can go kick rocks. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 04:02 Radfield wrote: But here's the real problem Opz. You're trying to kill, or just killed(with your spoilered AK), the person who Jeejee supposedly investigated last night. If you and Jeejee are tied at the hip like you say, then presumably he should have let you know his results, which would be the same as I got on Day 2, meaning YI is Neville Longbottom. Of all the people in this game, he would basically be our most confirmed townie, given that he's been role checked three times! And you just killed him? Either that or you're bullshitting up the thread with fake Avada Kadavras, which is super disruptive. And don't worry about the AK, it's fake. I just wanted him to shut up. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 04:32 Radfield wrote: Also, I believe Roffles claimed he has a one time use ability, that once he uses it it's gone. At the time I assumed that meant Tree Stump. I assumed Busdriver. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 04:17 Radfield wrote: Lets think about this some more. So you guys are claiming the twins obviously, and yet somehow the twins have AK powers? Seems moderately unlikely. Another option is that both Jeejee and Opz are DE's. -Neither of them have been checked -They both claim they aren't allowed to nameclaim, but now have claimed Weasleys, and most importantly they've claimed after everyone else. -They obviously checked Thegilaboy, but Lakris could've checked him for them and passed that info along before he died. -They got Lakris lynched, which would be a bold move if they're DE's, but not an unheard of one. -They both shot Amber[light] Most importantly, killing one of you, and having him flip blue means the other is legit. That basically means that either Thegilaboy/Jspazz are mafia, or Me/Korynne(roffles) are mafia. Obviously at that point I would know that Thegilaboy/jspazz are mafia, but what I know is irrelevant. However, everything is easily be cleared up with Jeejee's investigation. He checks Jspazz, who either turns up red(lynch him), or green(lynch me). I think the most likely scenario right now is that both Jeejee and Opz are DE's. I honestly can't see how we not lynch one of them at this point. Obviously if we do lynch it's gonna be Opz, since Jeejee claimed detective, and Opz is possibly claiming TreeStump(?), which means he won't get lynched anyways. If you are the Treestump Opz, you should claim, as I'm pretty sure we win then. I'm in no hurray to lynch at this point though, we've got a lot of time to talk this out, so consider this an IN THREAD vote for Opz. Don't attach JeeJee to me like that. I've been far more vocal than he has about being unwilling to claim. Most importantly, killing one of you, and having him flip blue means the other is legit. That basically means that either Thegilaboy/Jspazz are mafia, or Me/Korynne(roffles) are mafia. Obviously at that point I would know that Thegilaboy/jspazz are mafia, but what I know is irrelevant. However, everything is easily be cleared up with Jeejee's investigation. He checks Jspazz, who either turns up red(lynch him), or green(lynch me). Why should we need to confirm him by lynching me? -_-...That's a terrible plan, but fine, yea, lynch me if you feel that's the best way of confirming me. Would you like me to go vote for myself? I think the most likely scenario right now is that both Jeejee and Opz are DE's. I honestly can't see how we not lynch one of them at this point. Obviously if we do lynch it's gonna be Opz, since Jeejee claimed detective, and Opz is possibly claiming TreeStump(?), which means he won't get lynched anyways. If you are the Treestump Opz, you should claim, as I'm pretty sure we win then. Okay...I now feel you're scum. I'd rather Amber AK at me, than be lynched. But I'd rather JeeJee give you some of his thoughts. Lol. Althought seriously, no body should vote for me. It isn't like I've screamed pro town all game (which you've all admitted). It isn't like I'm the one who found Lakrismamma to be Nagini. (JeeJee wanted to search Yink that night I believe). Isn't like I voted for Lakris two days in a row. And it isn't like I confirmed the most people in this game and am the person who started the name claim. (Oh yes, the reason you are justifying your lynching of me, is something I STARTED. I Didn't claim because I was not supposed to. BUT I made everyone else claim to give you all that information) Now if you feel any of that justifies scum behavior, please let me know. And p.s. How is our medic that has claimed, and radfield, alive? I'm still down for the YellowInk/Radfield combo, with YI as GF. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
-Neither of them have been checked I asked you or Gilaboy to check me last night. You to see if you were lying, and/or gilaboy to check his alignment. -They both claim they aren't allowed to nameclaim, but now have claimed Weasleys, and most importantly they've claimed after everyone else. ...JeeJee didn't claim he couldn't claim. He just didn't claim. I was the more vocal of the two of us. And in our defense, We both had to attack Amber to cast AK on him. I wonder why we both had to?! -They obviously checked Thegilaboy, but Lakris could've checked him for them and passed that info along before he died. Maybe Lakris could of checked YellowInk for you? -_- Would you like the clue on Lakris? The person I chose to investigate, and planned the lynch on? Your idea here calls for a lot of over the top ridiculous things to have happened... -They got Lakris lynched, which would be a bold move if they're DE's, but not an unheard of one. Please point out some time on TL when a mafia got the other mafia lynched on purpose from the get go. Make sure it starts on day 2, but the mafia doesn't get lynched until day 3. Also, make sure AFJ points suspicion at you constantly, and condemns as scum you just before he is modkilled (with no idea he will be modkilled) because of someone else (and pops scum). -They both shot Amber[light] We both had to for it to work. Allowed one single use of AK between us, but it had to be agreed by both of us. But we both had to post in thread. We thought it was a nightkill (remember I said I'm no dt?). BM told us it had to be during the day and that he never said we had a nightkill. That's why we didn't believe Amber could NK as a jack. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 05:48 YellowInk wrote: They did this because they're playing a numbers game. I was highly unlikely to cover Jayme for various reasons. Had Jugan or Jayme spoken up before the lynch, things could have gone much differently. I gotta go to work, be backat 11 pm EST maybe? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 06:39 YellowInk wrote: Here's what we know: (1) Short of some some obscenely game bending magic (eg the real Harry Potter was not permitted to role claim for any reason), Amber[Light] is Harry Potter by virtue of the claim. (2) ~OpZ~ and JeeJee are either both death eater or both toan aligned. They outted nagini, a horcrux death eater, in the early game. (3) Radfield can pardon and has access to investigatory powers. (4) Korynne(Roffles) has claimed Aberforth for which Radfield vouched by cluecheck the following day. (5) Thegilaboy(Subversion) has claimed to be Flitwick vouched for by JeeJee cluecheck. (6) johnnyspazz was named Ginny by ~OpZ~, but in JeeJee's recent clue review did not include a check on johnnyspazz so I am unclear on this point (7) I have been confirmed by all 3 investigators. It is unclear whether (2) was intentional. If it was not, note that it was Radfield that called them out on it and brought it quickly to a head. This means there is a possibility that either ~OpZ~ or Radfield could be a death eater where the other's actions pressured them into communally slaying nagini. If we assume there at least two death eaters left, this means either clue checks can be fooled or one among Radfield/~OpZ~ is death eater. If we assume clue checks can be fooled by precisely one among two death eaters, it means that someone who hasn't been clue checked is a death eater along with someone who may or may not have been clue checked. People who have not been clue checked: ~OpZ~ JeeJee johnnyspazz? (Please clarify this point) Regardless, this puts us back to square one since it forces ~OpZ~/JeeJee to be death eater. Therefore I suggest we lynch either ~OpZ~, JeeJee, or Radfield. So now I ask, is there any way any of you can provide evidence beyond any reasonable doubt that you are town aligned? ~OpZ~, what was the 'ultimate defense' you spoke of earlier? If there are any flaws in the above logic or information, now is the time to poke holes. I haven't read all this post yet, but I already found a mistake. Not all those people have been clue checked. You realize your counting Gilaboys alignment checks? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 03 2010 11:42 YellowInk wrote: Just so it doesn't get lost in the muck (I know they're both not here right now, but will be back soon), I'm waiting on a reply from JeeJee/~OpZ~ regarding if they had checked johnnyspazz. I wouldn't mind having a full list of who they checked by day organized all nice and neatly either. Night one we checked Subversion, my choice, JeeJee wanted to check zeks. Night two we checked LakrisMama (I had already tried to get him lynched) Night three we were roleblocked And I guess we checked you, but I was in florida all day. I didn't even see the clue regarding you because I couldn't PM BM. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Shinbi, we are apparently epic masterminds at deception and deceit. I have no idea who I'm voting for... I'm guessing clue checks are affected by GF statu too now... YellowInk - Neville - Checked 3 times. Can cast Protego. Korynne - Aberforth - ...Weird person, checked by Radfield. I'm still doubtful. Willing to lynch. Radfield - Scrimgeour - Hasn't been checked, will be checked. Gila - Flitwick - Checked by myself and JeeJee. Wears mini bowties. And is nervous. Johnny - (Claimed Ginny) - Has not been checked. - Willing to lynch or investigate. OpZ/JeeJee - Fred/George (I'd actually have to check to see which I am..Lol) Amber - Claimed HP - Has not been checked....Which would be crazy to check. By the next night we will have investigated all the remaining uninvestigated people....And will know that someone is either lying about DT abilities (highly likely) or will have found a mafia. I'm done with lynching someone who hasn't been investigated solely based on the fact that someone who hasn't been checked should be mafia. Sound like a better plan than lynching me -_-...idiots. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
I've posted a way better plan...That involves killing everyone that has not ACTIVELY been posting pro-town, and creating options, AND (just like the reason you're trying to lynch me and jeejee) has not been clue checked! Also YellowInk, either you expose your whatever the hell else ability you claim to have...It's about time don't you think? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Now lets see...He claimed scrim/dt... God I wish I knew how GF worked -_-... Amber, do what you want, but you know I'm not a DE. Pro-town Gila, I proved to you who you were. JeeJee, you know who I am ~OpZ~, DUH, myself.... That's four people I know for a fact. I've openly confirmed Gila to everyone. Him being most protown, is strictly because of Shinbi and I. Thats four people right there. Dunno Spazz...You've so far only breadcrumbed your name. I just happened to find it...I can't trust it because that woulda been a soft claim (and you claim to have no abilities, which is complete BS, which I don't know why I'm not trying to lynch you...) Radfield...I dunno... YellowInk, you haven't posted who all you've protected so far this game. You're still hiding some ability you claim to have. Korynne - Needs to post....I'd lynch her. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 04 2010 03:17 Amber[LighT] wrote: Of the choices to lynch I think Johnnyspazz would be the best. I still think figuring out how TGB's checks are actually coming out would be great. Lynching Jspazz would confirm TGB's checks though regardless, unless he's naive then everything is just coming up townie I believe... Lynching radfield seems counter-intuitive to how we've been playing. I don't feel like he's been playing anti-town, and he has never exercised a pardon. Does that mean he can't pull one out soon? Guess not, and if he is a DE then after tonight and/or once I'm gone pardoning will become really powerful. Do we want to keep pardons openly available late-game? I'm down with spazz for pretty much the same reason....And the fact that he claims he has no role, in a game where so far I think everyone has had a role? | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Whole thing is wild. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 04 2010 03:27 Thegilaboy wrote: Spazz seems like a fine target. If he flips green/blue that will confirm that I am indeed a naive DT, meaning my other checks are worthless as well  I know Korynne is trying to catch up with the game, but would be nice if we heard from her soon since there hasn't been much from Roffles before he left. Last we got from him was the big argument with Jugan being a bad townie. If he flips red your naive...FYI | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 04 2010 03:27 Thegilaboy wrote: Spazz seems like a fine target. If he flips green/blue that will confirm that I am indeed a naive DT, meaning my other checks are worthless as well I know Korynne is trying to catch up with the game, but would be nice if we heard from her soon since there hasn't been much from Roffles before he left. Last we got from him was the big argument with Jugan being a bad townie. Roffles is highly suspect...But if Roffles is mafia, Radfield is mafia... so many scenarios... I still wish I knew how GF worked... | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 04 2010 03:13 YellowInk wrote: People who make arguments like this are especially suspect. I don't blame Radfield, assuming he's town, for calling you a death eater. This choice is mostly up to Amber, though. Actually the reverse is usually true of this, YInk. It's an emotional backlash, which isn't common of scum because the scum try to play more calm and cool. They try to not step on toes. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
-_- On July 04 2010 04:16 Radfield wrote: Unless of course the GF gets a townie result even on clue checks. So the key here is whether someone flips Voldemort or not. Us lynching a player and him flipping VM would not impicate anyone else. But GF getting a townie result does with being a godfather, given that the whole point of a godfather is that you are immune to being checked. This would mean that basically every check all game is fallible though. @Yellowink: That plan sounds fine. I will double up with thegilaboy since he doesn't get clue checks, and investigate either Opz or Jeejee, doesn't really matter which one. Man, I bet whoever is watching this game and knows the roles, is laughing their ass off. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 04 2010 05:47 YellowInk wrote: I always play calm and cool. Since most people have probably been able to figure this out about me by now, anytime you see me 'lash' at anyone (which happens regardless of my alignment), it is a calculated effort. That you can choose to defend yourself in this fashion undermines the very emotion of the original outburst. Unless I am to underestimate your skill, my previous statement stands. No...Look at the times between my post...I've had plenty of time to think. And I've spent the last 40 minutes snapping at my gf...or ex, i dunno what now, so now that it's all gone, I became a little more calm. Lol. Check the tone of my posts. Check all my other games. I get heated...Lol. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
| ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 04 2010 05:31 johnnyspazz wrote: if you guys want to really waste a lynch on me fine but if i flip green, then you guys need to check amberlight because he's the only one that hasn't been checked. just because he claimed harry potter doesn't mean jack shit. so far this game is already crazy and theres a chance bm didn't include harry in the game. Care to vote for Korynne? I gotta go to work. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
I suggest we change our votes now. He would vote for himself (extremely stupid). Johnny if you're around, pick between YellowInk/Radfield/Korynne. YellowInk hasn't done his ultimate proof for town, and if he doesn't say what it is, I'm voting for him. His ambiguity and unwillingness to cooperate, his attacks at me (which the only thing that doesn't sit with me as being town is that I haven't been clue checked? or dt checked? But I have a brother that vouched for me, and found a DE? Go figure. Of course he came up with a wildly unbelievable story to do so too.) Pick one of them. I'll get in contact with JeeJee, and I'm sure Amber will follow one of us. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
And Radfield has a sketchy name claim. | ||
|
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
"That leaves Jayme, Jugan(Ron Weasley), Whatchamacallit, Amber(traitor?) and the three of us. We need to seriously get rid of opz, yellowink and jeejee. Someone keeps roleblocking me as well. Probably Jugan or Yellowink." FU Radfield...xD | ||
| ||
