EPTEdit: And if I can, can I also get a link to previous game threads to see how this version of the game usually plays out? I've played forum Mafia a few times on different forums, and each one has different rules.
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Edit: And if I can, can I also get a link to previous game threads to see how this version of the game usually plays out? I've played forum Mafia a few times on different forums, and each one has different rules. | ||
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Thanks for letting me play. When will round 1 begin? Also, in most Mafia games, the baddies get the first move. True in this game too? | ||
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On June 03 2010 05:22 LunarDestiny wrote: Too bad I am not a cop or the excel sheet would be much more useful. Orly? Is it too early to declare my vote? :p please don't lynch me for this | ||
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On June 03 2010 05:46 flamewheel wrote: Voting thread will go up in the Mafia Forum at the time of the first game post. Please place all votes there. No votes here are official. I thought the :p emoticon made it clear I was joking. I'm aware of the voting thread. | ||
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On June 03 2010 13:27 bumatlarge wrote: Just making a list of all suspects based soley on clues, in no particular order. Feel free to tell me if we are missing any. Profiles 1. TheGilaboy 4. crate 7. onihunter 8. MooCow 14. zeks 16. YellowInk 17. DCLXVI 18. TyranoS_NiveK 19. jiabung 21. LaXerCannon 29. deconduo Pics 1. TheGilaboy 4. crate 7. onihunter 8. MooCow 14. zeks 16. YellowInk 17. DCLXVI 18.TyranoS_NiveK 21. jiabung 19. LaXerCannon 29. deconduo I am most suspicious of Yellowink, for the obvious Ink clue (is this too obvious to be true?), but mostly because of his running for mayor. It is unwise to vote him in, as I'm sure that having a Mafia mayor is basically the worst thing possible. For the same reason, I won't vote for zeks either (I don't recognize the picture, but as I understand it, that's Naruto = ninja = knives clue. Let me know if I'm wrong). So, given the choices so far, I'm inclined to vote 27_DarthThienAn for mayor. | ||
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On June 05 2010 15:17 DarthThienAn wrote: pyr0ma5ta - looks like... 4 in-game posts, 1 irrelevant, 1 joking about supporting LD if he runs (for an excel sheet LOL), 1 copy-pasting bumatlarge's list of clue-linked ppl and saying he suspects Yellow and zeks due to the clues related to them (this was early on), and 1 saying... DUN DUN DUN: OH SNAP. DID HE JUST --- lol. A really uncalled for and bold accusation. However, this makes me think he is townie, because afaik, he's newbie and a newbie mafia wouldn't go around attracting attention like that by calling someone out straight-up like that. HOWEVER. He's still as inactive as the first two I analyzed. Step up yo game and POST MORE PLZ. He's also posted more in other TL forums recently than in this thread. UNACCEPTABLE. lol. +2 Well hello there. I'm somewhat overwhelmed with this thread, as no mafia game I've ever played had this much posting. That being said, I'm an active reader, even if I'm not an active poster up till this point. I don't see any point in posting just to post when I have nothign to contribute. I posted my opinions/suspicions and reasons. As far as "bold and uncalled for," I thought that posting my suspicion of YI and then declaring that I will not be voting for him was a pretty logical step. On June 06 2010 01:25 YellowInk wrote: To clean out the shadows, so to speak, I'd like to propose a clear policy of anti-inactivity. In these early days before we have any good targets to hang (if for some reason we do get good targets to hang we will of course go after named scum as a priority), I suggest that we target those who are inactive. The large scale purpose of this is not that I actually desire to hang anyone due to inactivity (since unfortunately most of these people are likely to be town - especially so in a game filled with new players), but to impress the importance that we cannot effectively combat the scum if people lurk. Therefore, I propose the following requirements to all posters: You must post your thoughts on at least four different people each day. Give reasoning (this is important). These thoughts must be spaced out such that two of these posts must be at least 12 hours apart. That is to say you can talk about 3 people at one point, then just sometime later in the day you have to give thoughts on another person. This is a bare minimum requirement. I encourage people who really are town to go ahead and post as much of their thoughts as they are willing. It is also important that you post as much original thought as you can. Since this is not something easily judged, I'm not putting it in the above requirements. However the mafia will be forced to conceal their intentions in some way - and one of the easiest ways they could choose to do so is to just parrot the thoughts that others have already expressed. So if you're town, don't do this! You may agree with their thoughts and voice that you do so agree, just don't count it as one of your four thoughts for the day. The consequence for failure to meet this policy will be that you will be eligible to be hung solely on the basis of your inactivity. In this early game, we will often not have great scum targets. If everyone were to talk a lot, we might have some decent reads on folk. Furthermore, we'd have more information in the mid to late game from all of this early talk to figure out who is mafia. Please discuss your thoughts on this policy. This is something the town has to agree upon since people are lynched by majority vote. I think it is clear how this policy will have a long term effect of benefiting town. Oddly, some of us have jobs and/or lives and not infinite hours to post on this thread. You're welcome to demand whatever you want, but I'm going to post if and only if I'm damn well ready to post. That being said, I'll give an opinion or two. People I have a feeling about: (may or may not have anything to do with reality, your mileage may vary) YellowInk - Still somewhat unimpressed with his performance. When I posted, it was early in the day, and I've since softened my position due to his very active posting. I still think he's more likely to be Mafia than not. Awkward because he's in an elected role and is now immune to Role Checks. LunarDestiny - I feel good about him. I like his posting and I'm giving him a pass for now. burnatlarge - I am unsure how I missed this, but doesn't his name jump out for the burning ink clue as well? I hope I'm not the first one to see this. LaXerCannon - His profile is a famous speech from Hamlet, and didn't Hamlet's mother die from poisoning? | ||
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On June 06 2010 13:05 MTF wrote: Nice try, Mafia! I'm the one who survived the hit last night, though considering the other two people Mafia targeted, I confess to being a little confused. Perhaps they figured they should target one obvious/two unobvious to strengthen their chances of not encountering a medic. Guess it kind of worked...? :p I'll be checking through clues now. Hm, well I personally think the Mafia picked 3 random semi-inactives, and you're lucky to be alive. By claiming to have survived, there are 2 possibilities: you are either a Veteran or got saved by a Medic, or the Mafia stacked kills and planned to have you come out as a survivor. I'd like to think the former is more likely, that he's a good guy, but we should all keep in mind the other possibility. I'll consider you likely shown innocent until evidence says otherwise. Now, as for the actual kills, barricades and knives in the dark really do feel like TheGilaBoy's profile. I'm liking this vote for now, and from what I see, I'm not the only one. This is further confirmed by this post: On June 06 2010 13:47 Thegilaboy wrote: Damn this badass profile pic, causing me more trouble than good! Although I don't think much blood stays on a psi/warp blade, it does certainly look like I am a prime suspect. Unfortunate for me, seeing as I know I'm clean, and for the town. But I'll focus on the clues for now, and see what I can do to help the town while I still can. Death 1: Very ninja like, a clean assassination. I suppose look for individuals who have profiles pointing towards being stealthy, and handy with a knife (and that includes me, I know) Death 2: A weight, so look for clues that have to do with mass. AFJ references weights in his profile. I suppose the mention of "nothing standing in the way of overwhelming power" in Icysoul's profile matches someone barreling the victim out of the window. CompX's mention of a tiny stone giant match as well. That's what I've got for now, I'll be taking a better look soon. I'm having trouble recognizing any definitive clues in the second kill, but Tiny the Stone Giant is NOT a reference to defenstration. It is a reference to http://web.dota-allstars.com/heroes/2841Tiny, a character in Dota All-Stars, so ironically named because he starts as a tiny stone giant but gets bigger as he levels up. It's a stretch that a Mafia would make in an attempt to diffuse suspicion on himself. I'm likely to vote for TGB right now, and unless new good evidence presents itself, I'm voting for him. | ||
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On June 07 2010 06:49 DarthThienAn wrote: @pyromasta: Once again, clues are great and all, but they shouldn't decide who we lynch today. Similar to yesterday, a combination of inactivity and clues will most likely decide who gets lynched. But more inactivity. Unless you (everyone in general) have something new to contribute about the clues, please focus more of players' posting behavior, inactivity, etc. Hm, well I thought I contributed by pointing out GilaBoy's obvious fail with the "Tiny the Stone Giant" thing, something which nobody had pointed out yet (though I fail to believe I'm the only one in this game who's played Dota). Is this not considered contributing?  Oh, and I'm not sure I agree that inactivity is an indication of Mafianess. We've already lynched an inactive non-Mafia. If we just lynch based on activity, the obvious Mafia counter-play is to just post a lot of blah blah blah. | ||
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On June 07 2010 06:59 LunarDestiny wrote: pyr0ma5ta, I see you are very active on TL (post made last week:85). Do you mind spending more time posting about this game? I've noted that I will post if and only if I have something to contribute. Would be silly for me to post when I have nothing to say. Rest assured, I'm an active reader. | ||
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On June 07 2010 09:39 crate wrote: @LunarDestiny (and the rest of you), re: Deucegladlier: Not only is his posting in this thread poor ... it's 100% worthless. The only reason he's posting is to avoid being modkilled. The only way he could be contributing to the town right now is if he's in PM contact with anyone here or if he's a medic or DT who's doing something. If he's been PM'ing with you, I'd like to know about it. Any way you stack it his play has been completely unhelpful and he cannot benefit the town even as just another vote if he doesn't even read enough to vote for someone other than himself. It's actually better for a townie to just accept being modkilled than it is to effectively abstain and never contribute whereas mafia do have an interest to stay alive even if they're not going to play (like I said before). I'm voting for him on this basis, but we should keep looking at people because we have more lynches in the future. (Or, who knows, maybe Deuce will show up and surprise us with some game-related posts). I'm still not clear on why we want to take a whack at a guy who's not even been implicated in any of the clues, which is the only solid thing we have to go on. There's legitimate reasons to stay under the radar early in the game as a blue/green player. I'm not defending being a useless player, but I still don't understand why we want to lynch inactives. We should take a crack at people for whom there is a relatively decent evidence trail, imo. | ||
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On June 07 2010 10:00 crate wrote: I'm still not clear on why we want to take a whack at a guy who's not even been implicated in any of the behavior analysis, which is the only solid thing we have to go on. There's legitimate reasons to stay under the radar early in the game as a blue/green player, but not legitimate reasons to play in a way that's 100% unhelpful (hence me asking anyone if he's done anything helpful, e.g. PM useful stuff). I'm attacking being a useless player playing in a way that is only ever sensible if you're mafia. We should take a crack at people for whom there is a relatively decent evidence trail, imo.  I...I... I see what you did there. ಠ_ಠ As you already know, I disagree with you completely. However, as this is my first TL Mafia game, I suppose maybe I should just defer to poeple who have played before. It just feels wrong though, as the point of Mafia is for every man to be an island and to be suspicious of everyone. However, in this case, it would seem that I am the only person who thinks this way, so maybe I'm just nuts. On June 07 2010 10:06 LunarDestiny wrote: I don't think we should put too much emphasis on clues to deduct a person is mafia or not. I am not saying that I should ignore the clues completely since mod posts are concrete information. As town players, we should point out as many clues reference to players as possible and let our detectives choose which clues to check and confirm which clues are relevant. I was under the impression that the mod posts do not contain misleading information. If this is incorrect, then indeed I should just STFU. However, I do not consider posting behavior to be concrete because it is sometimes necessary to deceive or be evasive, even as a good guy. I also want to make it clear that I am not defending Deuce, as he has indeed been a totally useless player, regardless of his actual affiliation. I just disagree with killing players by post count or words-per-post count. And it doesn't make sense to me to ignore the clues that we've been given. On June 07 2010 10:12 LunarDestiny wrote: Sorry if I am giving you guys a hard time but I have to follow up on the voting behavior: I check edday 1 voting of Deucegladlier, LaXerCannon, pyr0ma5ta, CompX and I noticed that they are almost the last few voters of the mayor election. Further proving that they might be mafia together... I can't speak for the other guys, but I did post my intentions as early as post 260, reinforced by 295. Please refer to those if you don't believe me. I voted late because I wanted to reserve judgement as long as possible, but nothing came up to change my opinion, and I followed through as I had stated I would. If you compare the timestamps, you'll notice I was actually one of the first to make up my mind. Continue to suspect me if you must, but I just wanted to point out some obvious evidence in my defense. Oh, and one more thing, I do agree with YI's idea of voting for double lynch next round (if not, definitely by the round after). We will soon have enough information, as blue roles begin to reveal and possibilities are killed off, to start pinning people. | ||
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On June 07 2010 10:33 LunarDestiny wrote: LaxerCannon, when you say your day 1 voting is ahead of others, I think you are referring to the WTF, why so early day2 vote on TheGliBoys. Again, I am not saying you guys are mafia. I am pointing out consistency in voting behavior. If we lynch DeuceGladlier and he turns mafia. Our next lead will be LaXerCannon, pyr0ma5ta, and CompX. Because of the voting behavior in additional of the previous mentioned reason for DeuceGladlier being mafia. I will now cast my vote on lynching DeuceGladlier. As 4chan might say, "weak logic is weak." I may have never played TL Mafia before, but I've played at least 20 games of Mafia on other sites, and if there's anything I'm sure of, it's that connecting timing of posts is worse than random. You end up connecting things like sleep schedules and time zones, rather than anything else. I personally see this impending lynch bandwagon on Deuce almost as a non-vote, removing a useless player rather than someone we actually think is Mafia. Because he's useless so far and has refused to even defend himself in the slightest (perhaps he's not even checking the thread), I'm inclined to think he's just a green. If he were Mafia, he would be more likely to be checking the thread and trying to say things. That being said, I'm not entirely opposed to removing him, especially as getting 1 guy who I do think is Mafia (Gila) does not lower their kill power, or else I'd be pushing harder. Anyway, I digress. The point of this post is to warn stridently against using post/vote timing as evidence. Rather, one should use vote count/records as actual concrete evidence. Be careful when you point fingers. Misguided accusations make you look exceedingly suspicious. I want to clarify that I don't find you suspicious right now, but a couple more of these hyper-hawk comments and I'll be voting for you soon. | ||
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On June 07 2010 11:02 LunarDestiny wrote: pyr0ma5ta, you say that people voting based on their sleep schedules and time zones. I disagree with that statement. Most of the players here are from North America and their votings are spread out across the voting period. And it is such a coincidence that four players who voted late on one day, voted early when one of them is in danger of being the lynch target. Shrug, go for it. If you feel that my posting should be lumped in with those other players, and that their role status reflects mine, you are of course free to vote any way appropriately. It is indeed true that LaXer, CompX, and I voted relatively close in time and for the same person, but I could say the same for crate, onihunter, Hugoboss, and Elyas (half an hour separate their votes in round 1). Choose to believe what you want, but just remember how terrible the human brain is at recognizing probability. It only takes 23 people in a roomto reach 50% probability of a pair having the same birthday. Coincidences abound, and not every one has meaning. I am just reminding you (and more importantly, the rest of the town) that if things turn out poorly, to remember where this terrible idea came from. | ||
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On June 07 2010 11:21 BrownBear wrote: You are the only person who thinks it's a bad idea, and you are one of the people indicted by the statement. Until someone who isn't one of the four people mentioned comes out and posts, I'm not really inclined to listen to you whine about how an idea to lynch you is a bad idea, especially given your evidence so far (LD is right, voting is traditionally all over the place and random, so large groups of people voting together is suspicious.) 1) Read 2) Interpret 3) Post I'm not whining. Re-read my posts. Use math. When 17 people vote for Darth, what's the probability that a couple of them will also vote for the same person the next round when there are only 2 poeple being voted for? mmmkthx. I feel like a bloody broken record. I'm not trying to change his mind, as I've conceded he's allowed to vote as he chooses. I'm pointing out a particularly horrible line of logic that is likely to point 3 future lynches at, well, people who happen to have similar sleep schedules. | ||
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On June 07 2010 23:29 zeks wrote: Are we going to keep lynching inactives until there are no more? If deuce flips green we should really rethink that...we only have so many lynches and so much time My point exactly. Incidentally, can someone enlighten me as to why we all gave our elected blues free passes? I'm still not convinced. | ||
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On June 07 2010 23:45 YellowInk wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=127781¤tpage=28#551 I recognize this point. I've already stated that I don't have a major problem with lynching Deuce this round. And yeah, don't bother using a pardon on him if it gets to that. But my point about why our blues get free passes, I'd like to ask the town at large. Why does everyone seem to trust YellowInk and Darth implicitly? | ||
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On June 08 2010 02:25 Thegilaboy wrote: 26. pyr0ma5ta In the election he opted not to vote for YI or zeks as they had clues pointing to them. He even went so far as to say: Still feel this way pyr0? Later on accused me of making a stretch accusation with the whole Tiny the Giant thing, but considering the fact that I've never played nor looked into Dota ever, I had no idea of the character's existence. That being said, he promptly decided he would vote for me. So it goes though, everyone is certainly free to vote as they see fit. Began to argue against voting for Deuce, claiming that they are reasons some people stay off the radar. What interests me most though are he most recent posts, saying that we shouldn't be trusting our elects necessarily. I ask the same thing of you that I asked of MooCow, do you have any more specific thoughts on the matter. Besides just saying we should suspect them, at this point do you have anymore solid thoughts on the matter, or perhaps an individual you would like to focus on for analysis? Things like that could be very helpful for everyone, and I'd just like to know your opinion on the matter. Since you directed this part of your post at me, I will respond. If you'd taken a look at my last couple of admittedly short posts, you'd know I am still indeed suspicious of YI. I have close to no opinion on zeks, and a positive vibe on DTA which I cannot back up. Are you even reading my posts? I am indeed voting for you because you were quick to randomly pick up tiny the stone giant which makes no sense to begin with, when a simple Google search would have told you where the reference came form. I feel justified in my accusation. I am not arguing against voting for Deuce so much as arguing against the concept of voting by post count. Deuce has failed monumentally, and as such is no help to either team. He's not staying off the radar so much as totally AFK. I view lynching him this round as a "we still don't know who's a baddie, so we'll just lynch someone who's not helping us anyway, rather than lynch someone who might be a useful townie at best, and a silent blue role at worst." As such, I don't mind lynching for Deuce, though I feel I have a stronger case for someone who might be rotten (namely you). However, if next round people want to lynch the next most inactive person, I'm going to disagree somewhat more vigorously. Anyway, next time, instead of asking me questions to things I've made clear about 8 times, just read my posts. I feel really awkward explaining myself over and over while not making any new points. | ||
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 /puts on foam finger GO TOWN | ||
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On June 11 2010 10:58 flamewheel wrote: Aha vile thunderstorm! You thought you could cut off my wireless (for 3 hours and 27 minutes) but you were wrong! I have returned from the dead to make the deadline! So what you're saying is... YOU GOT MODKILLED?!?!?!? /this post brought to you with mod permission. :p | ||
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DTs should have come out publicly WAY earlier. | ||
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On June 14 2010 10:24 DarthThienAn wrote: I dunno, ez target, and we thought you'd come back and actually be good. ^^ Lol. I had written a huge treatise and was ready to publish it when I got unbant. And then ...I died. Frowntown. Pop: me. | ||
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On June 14 2010 11:13 crate wrote: I was very impressed by Pyro's small volume of posting and had he been more active I think he'd have been good. \o/ You flatter me.  | ||
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ROFL, nice. Yeah, I'm going to have to say that the Town played relatively poorly, but the Mafia was afk and/or awful. When does the next game start, I can't wait to play again. | ||
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On June 14 2010 12:06 flamewheel wrote: This is relevant to my interests. | ||
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On June 14 2010 14:27 YellowInk wrote: So if barth lives to day 2 in a game, we hang because he's mafia, right? I used to play on a forum where a guy always got killed round 1. He always signed up, and always got killed round 1. And one game, he didn't get killed, and actually was a really productive citizen. Until the town couldn't find the last Mafia, which was him. He won the game singlehandedly. He keeps signing up, and he keeps getting killed round 1, and hung round 1 when he doesn't get killed. Poor guy. | ||
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On June 14 2010 14:46 YellowInk wrote: Was the guy disliked or something? Seems like the easy counter strategy is medic protects him night one every time. If he was saved, he's town, if not, lynch him. Of course then mafia would not be so obvious... and the game evolves - resulting in this guy not getting killed in one round all the time (though admittedly will probably retain a short life expectancy). No, he was killed early because he was really good. Heh. Oh, and there was no medic. | ||
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