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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=118395 Understanding everyone's profiles will take a while I see. @ DarthThienAn how do you connect TheGilaBoy to a knife throw? his quotation? On June 03 2010 12:01 DarthThienAn wrote: Looking quickly threw for the thrown knife clue, found these things: + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/flamewheel/TL_Mafia_XXVI/14_zeks.jpg (Shikamaru = Naruto character, ninja = throws knives, etc.) http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/flamewheel/TL_Mafia_XXVI/18_TyranoS_NiveK.jpg http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/flamewheel/TL_Mafia_XXVI/1_TheGilaboy.jpg | ||
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On June 03 2010 13:06 zeks wrote: Even if the clue turns negative you're not clear at ALL. You said it yourself that it was a clear and obvious clue...its Day 1. I think we all should know better than to base all our suspicions on clues only. Besides I think that clue is way too obvious to be you. I'd advise the DTs to actually start role-checking right away. You only have 3 role checks so use them as quick as possible (and as wisely as possible). Also mafia has a killing power of 3 so use your role checks before you get picked off. Also you can't use rolechecks on consecutive days either. Once the DT has clearly identified the role of someone then they can start an inner circle and start from there. The only risk this strategy runs into is if they somehow check the Godfather...but thats a risk I'm willing to take since its 1/30 chance you somehow role-check the GF That and role checking a miller might delay that strategy. And this can always clear YellowInk (for that one bit about the hot ink) if he becomes mayor: 2. Does X contain a clue that points to Y? (Where X is part of a Day post and Y is a player's name) (called a "Clue Check") | ||
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On June 03 2010 13:29 MooCow wrote: I agree with Onihunter on this one, I too can't see why you would get hung earlier. Was going to say the same thing also at most people have only 1-3 things linking them to the day 1 clues and some of them are a bit of a stretch. So I assume any info the DT's find are told to everyone in this thread about clues etc? I assume flamewheel will pm the DT in response. And I don't think any DT would want to make him/herself a big target by announcing his/her role by posting flamewheel's response. | ||
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On June 04 2010 01:52 zeks wrote: I don't understand how an overlap of investigations can link the DTs together. Perhaps you can explain that further. If two (or more) DTs rolecheck the same person and then pm him/her. That person can then pm each DT letting them know about the other DT. I stated my plan: hopefully we'll hear a more constructive plan from you other than the first one that got dissected quite quickly. Yes, I would like to hear the plans of all of the candidates, and all of the "clues" pointing to them. Just to clarify, there are separate votes for Mayor/pardoner right? Or is it most votes - mayor, 2nd place - pardoner? | ||
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On June 04 2010 05:39 LunarDestiny wrote: YellowInk, I (we?) don't trust you. The only reason you keep bring up is that you know you are not mafia. Do you expect people to believe what you are saying based on your words alone? This is true, but by this logic how can we trust the "I like Darth, he is a good player, he should be mayor". What is stopping you two from being mafia? | ||
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YellowInk: I don't like how he just seems to jump around accusing everyone. He also seems to think that the ink "clue" makes him a perfect candidate: easily cleaned or mafia, which is wrong. I have no idea what he will do in office, but I hope that if he gets a position he does not continue to act like he does now pointing fingers at everyone. Either dumb mafia or hotheaded townie DarthTheinAn: He has had a very neutral opinion on most subjects and has argued peacefully. This has caused many people to believe he is a townie, and he is riding this good vibe to an office. Somewhat suspicious how several people voted for him already, some who have not even explained their reasons for doing so. He seems coolheaded and collected at least, not one to make hasty decisions or jump at people's throats. either calm and cool townie or smart and calm mafia Zeks: Not sure what to think about him. He does not seem to be the most clever of candidates or the most knowledgeable, without a clear idea of how the roles can interact. However, I would rather a scum mayor like him than a scum mayor that can manipulate people well. I want to see how he responds to the recent discussion so I can finish evaluating him. Either inexperienced/uncreative townie or very smart mafia BrownBear: Similar to DTA, but more involved in the arguments with YI and willing to take a stand on things. His late arrival into the campaigning and supporting DTA could be a clever mafia ploy, but I don't think so. I think he doesn't want a mayor like YI and decided to do something about it. either smart townie or mafia I don't like either of my guesses about YI or zeks, but I suppose zeks is the most likely townie. DTA and BB are hard to decide on. I almost want to vote crate or myself, but I fear that will cause more confusion and allow the mafia to get both offices. If no one steps up their campaign though... I think the mayor should lynch TyranoS_NiveK because he already voted DTA, has barely posted, and maybe has a clue related to him. | ||
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On June 04 2010 14:59 YellowInk wrote: I just want to make sure you've read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=127781¤tpage=19#361 since it responds to the thoughts you've expressed here. Also, with some of my longer term views re: hotheadedness http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=127781¤tpage=19#368 Maybe you were writing this post went up before you had the chance to read them since they were two of my more recent posts. You need not worry that I would be reckless in office.  lol yeah im reading that now. I started my post back on page 18 and it took longer than expected. I will update my analysis on you once I read that. | ||
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Ok so it seemed as if half of your opponents/competitors jumped ship and decided to back you. Either this is a very clever and well planned mafia trick, or people really do have faith in you. I have no problem in you investigating people, but I do not like how you accuse people of being scum so quickly and with very little (read: none) evidence. Just lay out the facts and show us that you can make level headed decisions and I don't have too much against you (as long as you are not a newbie scum.) Not sure what to think about LD and BB backing you now, but DTA's response should be helpful in clarifying this situation. I'm sorry if it seems like I don't trust anyone, but that is because I don't have a clear idea of how smart everyone is. This game would be so much easier if I knew just how tricky each person can be. | ||
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Seriously though, trying to figure out DTA is driving me crazy. His posts feel townie, and he does everything he can to help the town. But many people just vote for him randomly and/or support him so quickly. Either we have overly trusting townies or he is mafia (with LD). I really hope not though. lol at me "possessing the printer" causing it to explode ^^ Question DTA: who has been pushing lynch Tyranos? I know I have mentioned that he was on both list and YI did too? | ||
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On June 05 2010 13:08 LunarDestiny wrote: For detective: If your result shows mafia role, keep it to yourself. If your result shows town role, you can use him to be your spoke person (there is a small chance that the person is godfather which shows up as townie in checks). Godfather The Godfather has the ability to decide what role he will appear to be when a Detective role checks him. The godfather can be tricky, as he can role claim and turn up clean to role checks. Watch out for any blue roles too. | ||
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I guess I should not have added so much to my profile, so easy to randomly link clues to it now  I will catch up and respond later tonight, i'm only on pg27 now | ||
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On June 06 2010 00:31 YellowInk wrote: DCLXVI - You've expressed a fair number of thoughts. Definitely on the middle of the road in my opinion. You aligned with me fairly early, expressed suspicion in DTA, and noted TyranoS as a good lynch target. Express more of how you feel about everyone and you'll make a great active player. Not sure if I would say I "aligned" with you. I feel that (as moocow said) one of you two is probably scum. I felt that DTA is more suspicious then, making you less likely to be scum. It is getting harder to distrust both of you now but I don't mind being the overly suspicious guy. Another thing I noticed and is potentially harmful is how people (mainly me) use either or statements. Either he could be a townie and doing this or a mafia and doing that. However, there is always the possibility that clever scum are trying to trick you into thinking that they are townie. I usually just state the two most likely options, but more experienced players could be playing a higher game. Granted that is normally risky for mafia, but with a pool of new and old players it is less risky. there is a lot of discussion on talking more, but I think that I have been providing a reasonable amount. I don't post as well as crate or MTF or as much as YI/DTA/LD but I contribute... can't wait for day 2 clues | ||
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On June 06 2010 14:58 littlechava wrote: That said, Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice since he's one of the few with multiple clues pointing towards him. If I was going to vote based solely on clues, I'd be voting for either Thegilaboy or zeks. Well if we hang him and he turns out to be townie, then we should hang you. It seems quite suspicious to accuse someone that quickly and try to bring down suspicion on him. At least try to list out a few possible clue connections and scum sounding posts/actions before accusing active people like that. | ||
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And by every post mentioning TheGilaBoy you mean everyone posting "DTs in his profile!" or the fortress-barricade "connection" which is about the townies, not the killer... yes really, please list a few. The only other plausible one I find is the gila monster - poison one. -Really LaXerCannon? do you just want to take the heat off you that you vote 40 hours early? What could possibly have made you make up your mind so quickly about this? | ||
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On June 07 2010 11:27 pyr0ma5ta wrote: 1) Read 2) Interpret 3) Post I'm not whining. Re-read my posts. Use math. When 17 people vote for Darth, what's the probability that a couple of them will also vote for the same person the next round when there are only 2 poeple being voted for? mmmkthx. I feel like a bloody broken record. I'm not trying to change his mind, as I've conceded he's allowed to vote as he chooses. I'm pointing out a particularly horrible line of logic that is likely to point 3 future lynches at, well, people who happen to have similar sleep schedules. Don't worry about it, you can't please everyone. Some people will just pretend to read your posts or purposely misinterpret what you say (I'm looking at you littlechava) It is interesting to not that this "large group of people" who voted together did not vote for the same person for mayor. Granted by the time CompX voted for YI the vote was already decided... I hope more people follow crate's example and post about other players posting habits and decisions. I am working a little less this week so I should be able to contribute too. I still find the clues to be pretty useless right now, but the people who think that the clues have some bearing can come up with a list of clues that can be checked by our DTs. That would be about the only useful thing that people who are thinking so clue centered can do. | ||
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On June 07 2010 12:53 YellowInk wrote: The problem with this is the risk vs reward. Suppose a DT checks out MTF and finds him to be mafia. If that is an accurate connection, it could be a very swift triple lynching. All of this at risk just to get MTF some evidence of looking like town. Of course keep the idea in mind for later in the game when we find out such things, but I'm inclined to believe MTF. Well, MTF could be the godfather, which would help his story fit even better under a rolecheck. We really need to hear from the medic that saved him. I think a somewhat risky but very rewarding strategy may be to vote lynch MTF until the medic role claimed to you and DTA. Even if one of you two are mafia, the other would report no pm from medics. Also, if the medic was then hit we know that it is extremely likely that one of you two is scum. possible risks that I see: the medic doesn't roleclaim for some reason, and we lose a valuable poster YI pardons him and gives some bs excuse... still good for town I think a mafia fake roleclaims (maybe even the godfather with dt as his fake role). Then MTF would gain false townie credit. Still, we have to assume that it is likely that only the GF would try a risky strategy like this. The roleclaiming mafia could then be rolechecked. | ||
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About the lynch target debate for lynching incatives- pros: more inactives will be forced to post, late game we have more active posters cons: small chance of hitting mafia - more likely that they are green townies, buys time for the mafia to hit the more active players, for lynching suspected low post counts- pros: could hit a mafia, maybe make low posters contribute more, weed out the low posters and suspicious posters cons: inactives are easy votes for the mafia to sway, also easy for the mafia to hide amongst them. At this point I am not sure which choice to make... Did I miss anything? No wonder you still misinterpreted my posts again :| I don't think that it is worth bringing back up this argument: I know I'm right, you think you are, and it gains us nothing to continue arguing. | ||
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On June 08 2010 03:07 littlechava wrote: Nah, I'm still right. All you've done is make a couple garbage posts calling me out, which I then defended. Then you keep bring it up again whenever possible, without refuting anything that I've said. ... spoilered for those who don't want to have to see this stupid argument + Show Spoiler + No need to get defensive about it. I think everyone knows that clue connections are pretty weak in general, and always need to be taken with a grain of salt. Still, they should be pointed out. That said, Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice since he's one of the few with multiple clues pointing towards him. If I was going to vote based solely on clues, I'd be voting for either Thegilaboy or zeks. so you say that the clues are weak but somewhat useful, and if we would vote off them then we should vote TGB (or zeks). You also say that TGB would be a decent vote option. Well if we hang him and he turns out to be townie, then we should hang you. It seems quite suspicious to accuse someone that quickly and try to bring down suspicion on him. At least try to list out a few possible clue connections and scum sounding posts/actions before accusing active people like that. I reply that you should not just just vote for TGB randomly since you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice" and provided no clues or post history. Did you notice the part where I said "If I was going to vote based solely on clues"? And really? Try to list out a few possible clue connections? Pretty much every clue post so far has mentioned Thegilaboy. yes I noticed, but you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice", saying that you would be ok for voting for him on a basis outside of clues or you think that the clues are enough evidence. Well many of the "clues" that people are making connections to I find to be far fetched. I think that trying to hang someone off the clues is a bad idea and either some stronger connections should be made or we should focus more on reading into what people say and wait for more "clues". Granted ignoring information is a bad idea, I just think that right now we could get farther by reading into what people say since they should be posting more. And by every post mentioning TheGilaBoy you mean everyone posting "DTs in his profile!" or the fortress-barricade "connection" which is about the townies, not the killer... yes really, please list a few. The only other plausible one I find is the gila monster - poison one. I reply that there are not a few clues, and saying that "Pretty much every clue post so far has mentioned Thegilaboy" is just dumb. MTF also helps to undermine the DT "clue" with: Finally, in terms of clues, I've noticed a lot of people talking about the first killing on Day 2 in relation to DT's. I feel I should point this out: A masked figure followed him, and stealthily kept to the shadows, not letting ElyAs out of his sight...As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. Elyas can see his killer. Not a very convincing DT, if you ask me. next comes your response: I think that trying to hang someone off of clues is a bad idea as well. Good job on completely ignoring the first part of my post that you quoted, where I said "I think everyone knows that clue connections are pretty weak in general, and always need to be taken with a grain of salt. Still, they should be pointed out." So basically, you're agreeing with what I said while trying to thrust suspicion onto me. Wtf? Also, yes, the posts that mention clues regarding Thegilaboy mention Dark Templar. That is because Dark Templar are sneaky and kill quickly. The fact that they're sneaky and kill quickly connects them to the clues in the day 2 post. Nowhere in my post about clues did I say "Thegilaboy is definitely mafia and we should lynch him". as I said before: yes I noticed, but you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice", saying that you would be ok for voting for him on a basis outside of clues (which you do not present) or you think that the clues are enough evidence. So I do not agree with you. Nice response to my "where are the clues, please" - stating one weak clue. You don't even try to bring up scum sounding posts by TGB so your entire argument is based of clues... And finally, you did not say "Thegilaboy is definitely mafia and we should lynch him" but you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice". As in, we could vote for TGB because he has some clues pointing to him (and by that you mean one weak clue) Are you happy that I finally responded? I'm not. | ||
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Says that ink clue check clears YellowInk pretty early yeah, that was pretty dumb, I think I changed my opinion about that early on though Puts some heat on Tyranos at the end of the post I did not realize that people could change their vote at the time. I thought that he was voting without reading the thread fully. I still stand by lynching him for his inactivity if we decide to lynch inactives. Puts out more of the MTF-conspiracy theory I fleshed out the conspiracy theory and provided a solution... what is wrong with that? (besides my solution having a massive error I overlooked )I was going to point out your error in having stated only my old opinions on people until I realized that I never updated my opinions in the thread :/ | ||
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On June 09 2010 04:32 DarthThienAn wrote: @BrownBear's post: agreed. I've already explained myself, had a similar reason - more info yo. The person whose reason I'm DYING to hear is of course.... Deucegladlier, lolol. People I don't recall reasons for (but this is just my memory): littlechava Zyrre TGB (he may have just been voting for not himself) deconduo Hugoboss21 MTF (? maybe he did) DCLXVI sputnik.theory onihunter (I remember he said he switched, as promised, but I don't remember what he promised) Oh, and everyone the TGB list too. Yeah. This is just my memory though. Don't be offended if you're on the list and had a good reason lol. Hey, I was the first one to switch my vote. I'm just the cool kid and everyone copied me Seriously though, I felt that if Deuce was willing to vote himself out of the game then he might get modkilled later on and was 95% not mafia. Instead of wasting a lynch on him I would rather attack my list of somewhat active neutral opinion people who are much more likely to be mafia. Moocow was the only option because I did not suspect TGB at the time. | ||
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Still though, I find it unlikely that the mafia or DTA would give up a player just to kill onihunter. Had DTA named crate/MTF or another important person I would have been more suspicious. Did crate already analyse oni day2? The only thing we need to look out for from what I see is DTA being scum, oni flipping green/blue, and DTA naming some other townie as the "false DT". Else if oni flips green DTA can tell us the False DT and we can lynch him with 3lions or whomever. And we need to do some catching up. time for a mass hanging. | ||
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On June 11 2010 04:01 YellowInk wrote: Idk, that bandwagon was pretty epically derailed. What has you so convinced he's green? fixed It was derailed by our vigilante though. Sure some mafia might have switched too, but AFJ was the main force behind the switch. | ||
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On a happier note we got two mafia today | ||
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On June 13 2010 12:51 Zyrre wrote: 2. Forced to out onihunter He is most likely in touch with a real DT. He can't be sure that player has not told anybody else about his findings, therefore he needs to out oni or he himself will be under investigation. This invalidates his reasoning against MTF's arguments + Show Spoiler + MTF, if I'm mafia and have been in contact with my first DT since day 2, why wouldn't I have killed him by now? If you're gonna say that he had a third townie to accuse me if he died, then that's easily solvable - mafia get 3 KP in the beginning, 2 last night. Just kill the DT and the confirmed townie, makes for a nice clean job and the town loses a DT. well thought out for the rest of the post, but here the DT could just not be stupid and not tell DTA the confirmed townie. Right now I am inclined to believe both DTA and MTF are townie but suspicious of each other. You do have a nice argument zyrre, but I cannot agree with some of it. @MTF - did DTA tell you the second DT's ID? Are you two talking now? On June 13 2010 10:31 Misder wrote: I have voted for DCLXVI and bumatlarge as of right now. Because I did analysis on DCLXVI already, and to me, he seems suspicious/mafia, I am voting for him. He has both clues and suspicious behavior going on. why the hate misder? And bum has gone off the deep end. I don't think any townie would act the way he is acting right now. | ||
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On June 13 2010 13:20 bumatlarge wrote: Um no DCL Im merely correcting facts, There is a 2nd DT that PM'd darth. Point to one post that says I'm going off the deep end. pg 69... I did not say you misstated facts. | ||
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On June 13 2010 23:44 Misder wrote: @DCLXVI Its not really hate, its just that you have some suspicious behavior and clues pointing to you that you haven't defended yet. I'm still waiting. + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2010 12:18 Misder wrote: The more I look at it, the more it seems that DCLXVI is in the mafia. Clues: Day 1: Speeding car (profile references Humvee) Day 2: Power overwhelms barth (pic references Dragonball Z power level) Day 3: Die together (like littlechava says) Seems like hes on the side of onihunter... If he is mafia, then it seems like TheGilaBoy is also mafia. This post also shows that a mafia member may have switched to lynch MooCow because he was more active townie. Voted for: YI for mayor. MooCow for lynch (switched from deuce, one of the first) I didn't respond to this because this post was just so f@*#ing stupid Dragon ball z reference? die together? me siding with oni????? are you serious? oh please someone analyze me and tell me about my "suspicious behavior". | ||
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On June 14 2010 09:34 DarthThienAn wrote: I didn't think to, lol. 3 think I'm mafia? lol, still? T_T Yeah, pretty sure you're mafia double lynch? or is it too late now. | ||
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I don't think DCL picked up on it. bum pushed for a rolecheck on you/MTF but I think it was mostly YI that had the logic. "is throwing doubt around on people who are mostly likely town. The exception to this is crate - but notice how he requests a rolecheck on crate/mtf. Assuming that either of these two were mafia, it's highly likely that they would be chosen as godfather. This actually makes me highly suspect crate as the godfather if Bumatlarge turns up red." This is Yellow talking. how stupid did you think I was ...Well I was right to trust either you or YI and then you or MTF I think it was the right decision to roleclaim to you anyways and force the kill on bum. You and crate probably could have lasted for a long time since no one but me or YI (and MTF I hope) suspected crate. GG anyways. Will you post a clues - player list flamewheel? | ||
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On June 14 2010 10:19 DarthThienAn wrote: ? in our PMs you skipped right over it. I was like, keep an eye for crate if bumat is red. and then you were like, I meant LD? and i was like... oh... okay xD flamewheel afk. oh, yeah I misread that pm. I thought you were talking about how I said LD turned up green in the rolecheck so he may be the GF. you worded the pm slightly differently | ||
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On June 14 2010 11:06 MTF wrote: May I ask why Oni/Bum were thrown under? I get that Onihunter was probably because of TGB, but why Bum? Was it only because I was likely to begin the lynch against him anyway, further validating yourself and getting the fake DT in? I pmed darth telling him to announce my rolecheck in the thread and reasons as to why he should if he was a townie. Then said that I had someone else who knew about our conversation. | ||
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On June 14 2010 12:38 DarthThienAn wrote: the last day / night where we killed YellowInk/LaXer was all for the lulz. And I've been tired of this game for awhile now T_T. would rather work on my setup. crate was just disgusted by the gameplay level xD. Yeah I know I played you and LD completely <3. I never understood why people implicitly trusted you. I think I commented on that early on how people just "felt" that you were town and went with that. Your posts were quite neutral till day 3. | ||
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