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On June 08 2010 00:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
YellowInk, did you read MooCow's post history carefully? I hardly think so since you posted only 6 minutes after you could have read my post. I'd appreciate it if you read his history and then tell me what you think in more detail.
I keep a summary of post histories and opinions each player has of others in an excel spreadsheet. It took me just a couple seconds to trace what you were saying. I don't disagree with most of your analysis, but it still leaves Deuce as a much better target.
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As an aside to this recent exchange, I encourage people to be aggressive. Keep your arguments sane, obviously - don't go rabid on us. Your aggression will show us how you feel about whatever it is you are talking about.  You should be angry, mafia is trying to take over your town! Gogo angrytown!
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On June 08 2010 02:27 DarthThienAn wrote:
@AFJ/whoever:
The major problem I see with trying to lynch MooCow at this point is that we have like 8.5 hours left to vote. I'd rather lynch an inactive town-possible-mafia than lynch no one. There are currently 12 votes on Deuce (3 on Thegilaboy, 1 on MooCow). That's not even enough for him get lynched RIGHT NOW. We still need 2 more votes, and that's with me being mayor.
Actually, 1 vote is enough to lynch someone so long as it was the first vote, no one has multiple votes, and no one has more than 1 vote on them. The rules here is target with the most votes hangs (tie goes to whoever was rallied up first). We don't need a majority. That being said, since everyone is (supposedly) eventually going to vote, this could easily be swung away from Deuce. I hope that others who are voting late see the logic of not allowing people to evade posting requirements. If we allow this, we'll just lose.
Also remember that bare-minimum posting mafia still contribute to mafia KP even though they're basically doing nothing else in game.
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@DTA I think you might be misreading the rule against using deliberate modkill as a bargaining chip?
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On June 08 2010 03:34 MooCow wrote:
pyr0ma5ta gets banned after my posts on him -_-;
What bans?
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On June 08 2010 03:55 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2010 03:23 YellowInk wrote:
@DTA I think you might be misreading the rule against using deliberate modkill as a bargaining chip? Well yea, but what I meant is that I don't see any mention of how lynching works other than right there. @pyro getting banned: pretty strategic if all but 1 of the mafia got themselves tempbanned for 2 days. lolol.
I expect pyr0 to continue reading and will owe us deep analysis when he comes back to make up for his lost time. Just like I expect more from some of the people who didn't say much on day 1 to be doing double duty today or they'll make it onto my short list tonight.
Also, if they made a habit of this, it'd get really obvious.
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On June 08 2010 05:16 BrownBear wrote:
Im pretty sure at this point that Deuce knows hes boned, so he's not even trying.
It might be strategic to switch our vote off of him to someone else, and see what his/other peoples' reactions are...
Also, lol@pyro.
Eh, I disagree. All we've asked of Deuce is to post something of substance. If he does and it's not just a c/p of ideas everyone else has presented, I'd be glad to swap over to another inactive. Sure, we might not make it in time, but Deuce definitely still has a shot at living.
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Oh, hi Hugoboss21. Voting but no post? Better be hearing from you within the next few minutes.
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On June 08 2010 05:21 YellowInk wrote:
Oh, hi Hugoboss21. Voting but no post? Better be hearing from you within the next few minutes.
This goes for you too, bumatlarge. You're not in as bad shape as Hugoboss21, but I'd recommend (to everyone) to post right before posting your vote with your explanation. That way none of us are ever left hanging with, "hey why did that guy vote like that?"
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On June 08 2010 06:01 bumatlarge wrote:
Come on yellow ive posted my reasons earlier even if i didnt explain my vote you could have found that out. i wouldnt be peeved by this but you are poking around forcing posts that are just as useful as inactivity. im at work with little time to scope out and reflect on what everyone says in the thread in posts :/ i make my posts after the 10pm deadline because its most conveintant for me. if that casts your neurotic suspicions on me, then so be it.
but yeah people shouldnt vote without any indication of reason for that day
Haha, not neurotic. I'm not casting any suspicion at you, but votes should be accompanied by a post as a rule. Having a voting thread is kind of weird to flip back and forth to see is kind of weird, but it makes the mod's job a lot easier.
It's true, though, that I havn't been voicing my thoughts on people so much and rather just been policing inactivity. I'm headed out in under an hour, but I'll put together some of my thoughts on a couple people.
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Player analysis
LaXerCannon
#posts: 29
Votes: DTA at the very end of day 1, TheGilaBoy near the beginning of day 2.
What he posted:
Opened up with "I'm back" at the end of day 1. Since then he has been active, confirming receiving a DTA PM. Apparantely the PM saved him from totally missing the game. He does some clue digging night 1 making a couple connections not previously made. He claims to be poor at analyzing behavior. Based on the clues, he names Hugoboss21 and DCLXVI as suspect, but admits that it's really not enough to consider accusations. On day 2 he does some more clue digging looking to make more new connections. He then provides an analysis of TheGilaBoy.+ Show Spoiler + He from here on names TheGilaBoy as his primary suspect - enough to take his vote rather than going for DeuceGladlier (though he does not begrudge the Deuce votes). He voices against being against the double lynch as he wants to wait until we have two stronger suspects. He continues to attack TheGilaBoy citing the particular clue link makes him a strong target rather than the others who had weaker links. He claims reverse common logic on DeuceGladier stating that if Deuce defends himself it'll look more mafia than if he says nothing.
My thoughts:
I read pro town on him. He needs to keep up this level of activity. His clue digging has been helpful, but I think he puts too much weight into it at this time. I will put a lot more credit into clues when we can stack them on a target rather than just trying to hang off of a single link. Alternatively, if a DT confirmed a clue I would hang on that as well - but there's the additional element of believing the DT here.
My advice to LaXerCannon:
Keep clue digging, but keep an open mind. Keep your activity level up. It's fine if you don't feel strong at behavior analysis, but go ahead and give it a shot anyway.
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Alright, we're late in day 2 and I'm headed out for a few hours. I'm not sure if I'll be back before close of voting, but even if I am, I probably won't be able to influence it much anymore. So, some parting thoughts.
I think that the info on MooCow is insufficient to hang him at this time. Hanging MooCow and finding him town will make a couple people look bad, but not so badly that we could justify hanging them for it. Turning MooCow up red will similarly not implicate anyone all that strongly.
Compare this to DeuceGladlier. This is an inactive poster - a strike against him because if we allow posters like this to remain in the game, other posters who may be mafia (eg Hugoboss21, CompX, etc) will have no incentive to post. Deuce may turn up green, but by the very nature that so many people are against hanging this target I am inclined to believe him more likely to be red than when I first voted for him. If he does turn up red, it's going to look very poorly on some people - strongly enough that we may have a real case.
Even if it were only randomly likely that Deuce was mafia, he's still the way to go. If we allow this game to be decided by random chance (which is what happens when noone posts), the mafia win the vast majority of games.
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Looks like I'm skating in for a last word before voting closes. Honestly with how things have stacked I think they're both just as likely to be green.
MooCow is going to give us more information. Tomorrow, the next day, whatever. This will allow us to continue to read him.
If we don't lynch Deuce today, are we just going to trust him to be green for the rest of the game if he stays silent? I sure wouldn't ask a DT to burn a rolecheck on Deuce. I would rather be in an endgame with MooCow than Deuce. At least I have something to read.
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Well, since LD switched at the same time, we need someone to choose to switch back to Deuce before I ::headdesk:: 6 days from now when I'm stuck in an endgame with Deuce.
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On June 08 2010 13:46 Zyrre wrote:
Shouldn't all mafias have tried to vote for and convince the town to lynch MooCow?
If deuce is a mafia, they obviously would rather have MooCow lynched.
If deuce is townie, they would still rather have MooCow since he was more active. Less activity makes it easier for them to lurk and hide.
Now they most likely wouldn't risk to start the bandwagon, but rather jump on it later.
Those who voted for MooCow were:
AcrossFiveJulys
DCLXVI
Misder
BrownBear
zeks
sputnik.theory
onihunter
DarthThienAn (x3)
LunarDestiny
That's a fairly short list considering there are 6 mafias. Can't be completely certain they are all in there obviously, but starting with these guys should be the best option.
Definitely a good place to start. I'd recommend doing player analysis ala crate to help collect info. Once we have it all in front of us it should be easier to sort through.
Also, if any DTs are looking for work and want to avoid crossing paths with the investigations of others, my door is still open to roleclaims.
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On June 09 2010 01:54 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Should we be encouraging our vigi(s) to hit specific targets tonight? Hopefully we've got at least one left (usually 2-3 per game right?). I'm not sure but I'm leaning towards asking them to hold off until night 3 since we have no solid suspects (well, except deuce and a few other inactives), but having a discussion now wouldn't hurt.
Asking a vigi to make a hit is like an immediate double lynch. If we weren't ready for that yesterday, how can we even consider it at this juncture where we have no significant leads? Unless you think that by leading the derailing bandwagon it should be on your head? I don't really follow your logic.
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Well, we appear to be able to agree on something. Vigs, no hits tonight.
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Player analysis:
TheGilaboy
# posts: 40
What he says:
Opens up the game with some clue digging. Is wary of voting me in for being eager nad Darth because of LD's fast vote. Wants to hear more policy talk and considered voting for someone at random. Eventually becomes convinced I am pro town because of my massive posting. Defends deconduo's post timing because he is in Ireland. Calls out Misder for his random vote on BrownBear. Calls out Deucegladlier for lurking late in day 1. Night 1 he defends that he hasn't posted much substance (my callout on him) because he is noob and claims will try to be more vocal while noting that he is more trusting of DTA and I. Corrects pyr0ma5ta's burnatlarge to bumatlarge. Asks questions about how mafia stacking kills works. Agrees with ideas of people to remain wary and vigilant, but not overly aggressive. Questions why LD is painting a target on his back. On day 2 he goes clue digging noting that he doesn't think much blood would stay on a psi/warp blade. Recommends a clue check on himself as he doesn't know any other way to defend himself. Agrees with me that CompX/Deucegladlier/Tyranos_NiveK are inactive. Agrees with targetting inactives. Analyzes MooCow, pyr0ma5ta, and CompX + Show Spoiler + basically saying he wants to hear more from all of them.
My thoughts:
I read slightly pro town in his posting style, but only just barely leaning. To be honest, his posting style has continued to lack substance - unfortunately the analysis of the players he chose (by RNG he claimed) two were very inactive, the third so so. It's hard to get much insight from this. His defense is that he is new to the game.
My advice to TheGilaboy:
Post more substance. Be less afraid of being wrong and instead be more interactive and aggressive. Provoke reactions.
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On June 09 2010 11:11 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2010 11:09 LunarDestiny wrote:
To answer some of your questions:
I never played a mafia game with clues before.
No, I am not a native speaker.
Well, night is ending and I don't know if I have to thank Darth for accusing me of being mafia which makes me a bad target for the mafia. Yeah, this was actually my secret method of keeping you alive for at least another day =]
=) LD is such a good sport.
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It's reasonable to believe DTA and his source. I also advocate the double lynch.
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