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On May 11 2010 11:01 Caller wrote: something i should specify to all groups: if someone on your team is recruited to another team, you will not be informed ^^^^^ Wow, that's so fun. I can't wait. | ||
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On May 17 2010 23:16 Hesmyrr wrote: Edit: Actually, Caller can you set up an quicktopic for each factions where players can post anonymously? Would make organizing so much easier, The downside of this is you don't necessarily want people to see everything that's being written inside your faction, because you won't know when people get swept away to another faction. So the leader might be sending different people different PMs, depending on if he thinks their allegiance has changed. | ||
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Who will you kill? Why? | ||
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On May 18 2010 05:18 johnnyspazz wrote: i think you should have the power to lead the lynch since you were so good in PYP 1 ##Vote Radfield Sounds good to me Send me your armies!! For I will make this a better game! How you ask? Why by killing those tag-along, verge of getting modkilled, just post enough to get by players. Those players are BORING, and lack both sass AND pizazz. At the end of the day, we'll (I'll) figure out who the least posting and uninspired player is and swoop down to DeathStar their planet. In the unlikely event that everyone is moderately active, I will kill someone else. I'm open to suggestions. | ||
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On May 18 2010 07:08 Bill Murray wrote: OK. Give me your armies, as I can think rationally at the moment due to not having any obligations with school (I got 4 As this semester). I know one of these people are the likeliest to be the leader of the yellow turbans which we need to ELIMINATE EARLY. It is IMPERATIVE we do so. Though I hate Cao Cao with a passion, and am not a fan, I am more than willing to put aside this petty rivalry to unite the land against this incoming force of destruction. Which people are you referring to? | ||
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On May 18 2010 07:23 Hesmyrr wrote: I am assuming he is He Jin sort of character who has side-win condition of Yellow Turban extermination, and is provided with the list of possible "culprits" rather than abilities. This makes sense because Yellow Turbans are unrecruitable, making them the most dangerous force in this game. If so, I recommend him getting his lists out since it is pro-town to do so, and Yellow Turban no longer has motivation to target BM with list already open. Also, anyone who tries to target BM now will end up looking like a yellow turban, and will probably end up getting killed soon after. So no one can really try to target him. Nice work BM  | ||
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On May 18 2010 08:11 Jugan wrote: yeah modkills are lame. some people like to modkill awesome players because their egos can't handle it. BUT WE SHOULD LYNCH RADFIELD FOR MAKING A CONSTRUCTIVE POST! That's just the kind of sass and pizazz I'm looking for. | ||
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On May 18 2010 14:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So, you have a plan to kill inactives? Cool. However, you stress the word I'll" decide who to kill. This strikes me as a Leaderish sort of talk. Why you ask? Because by stressing that You will decide over the majority, it means you already have a predisposed agenda. This would put you as the head of yellow turbans, wei, wu, or shu. This could easily be a minor error in your writing, however, it seems unlikely. Your idea to kill inactives is sound only so long as we haven't narrowed down someone who is an obvious yellow turban. Untop of it, your bandwagon is insanely suspicious for such an early start. The 'I'll' in my post was a joke. As in, once you give me your armies, I could theoretically kill whoever I wanted to. In fact, I'd say 'we'll' is much more leaderish talk then I'll. | ||
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On May 19 2010 00:50 XeliN wrote: Ah ok so they start with more then 1, that makes sense tbh, in which case mayb suspect lynching might be more viable for day 1, although I'm not against inactive//Abenson The great thing is there's no way to mess up the lynch/DayVig today. We don't need a majority, we can't hit a townie, the worst we can do is.... there is no worst. | ||
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On May 19 2010 04:50 Caller wrote: a) no, they don't even know that they are recruited. The only one that gets any confirmation is the leader. b) no, he doesn't c) That's all up to the discretion of the player. Just like in RTK, some people planned for defections ahead of time  So if I'm reading this right, townies will never know for sure that they've ever been recruited? Sure a leader might tell us we're on team A or team B, but we'll have no idea if they're lying or not. So essentially, we never become part of a team? If that's the case, how can the 19 townies ever make any real decisions? How will we even know if we're winning or losing? | ||
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On May 19 2010 05:23 BrownBear wrote: Also, as an addendum, since PMs are allowed, the YT leader can just tell everyone he recruits who he is and what they are, as YTs are YTs for life once they get recruited, thus there is no danger that they get recruited away from him and tell on him to another faction leader. If he recruits someone that was part of a faction, and that person knows who the faction leader was, then they have every incentive to tell the YT leader, as they die if he dies. Thus, the bigger the YTs get, the more likely it is that the YTs will win, as they will likely have the knowledge of who at least some of the faction leaders are, and once they get 5-6 people they can just win the game easily by bandwagoning votes to a random YT, who will then target that faction leader. I agree with you Brownbear that the Yellow Turbans are a threat to us all at this point, but how do you propose we sniff them out? It seems to me that a faction leader and a yellow turban will both be doing their best to blend in. Even if you find someone who seems fishy, you might just kill off a blue/red/green leader, which makes the Yellow Turbans even stronger. This is why I'm leaning more with an overall approach to our day one Kill. The fact of the matter is that people who don't post much in the first 48hours probably won't post much the rest of the time either. So we might as well get rid of the dead weight to start, and make it a more active game for everyone. | ||
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On May 19 2010 07:14 Caller wrote: lol oops ok hows this, the recruiter chooses to let me know what option they want-no notification or faction notification Would they choose for each recruitment? Or is it a one-shot deal that goes for every recruitment? | ||
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There is also a 4th Party in the form of the Yellow Turbans. They may recruit anybody but faction leaders and Yellow Turbans cannot be recruited. However, if the Yellow Turbans try to recruit a faction leader, they all die. Nothing at all about a leader, which would kinda make sense if the YT's started with more then 1 person. They're more like mafia, collectively making decisions. Anyways, who at this point is most likely to be a Yellow Turban? I think for starters we should look at the people who are voting for me. Why me? For starters because a bandwagon started up on me, and second because I indicated I would simply vote off whomever was being inactive. No threat at all to a Yellow Turban, and a great place to hide. So lets see who voted for me(minus myself): Johnnyspazz Brownbear Hesmyrr Abenson DarthTheinAn TwoToneTerran Falcynn Last Romantic Tricode Xelin Trezguet Jugan Last Romantic hasn't actually posted in the thread. Darththeinan and TwoToneTerran have contributed basically nothing. I don't really feel like examining the rest, as I'm not particularly motivated to search out the YT's or Faction Leaders at this point. But I think it's likely that there are a couple faction leaders and a couple yellow turbans in this bunch, possibly all of them. Thoughts anyone? Does this seem likely? Or am I reading too much into this? | ||
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On May 19 2010 22:07 Korynne wrote: Btw guys don't forget I'm replacing the first person to be modkilled by inactivity so Radfield if you want to hunt inactives I don't know if you could ask Caller who will be modkilled so you don't end up wasting your efforts. Yeah, my hope was to get those people who do the bare minimum, and hence don't get modkilled, but still bring nothing to the game. On May 19 2010 20:10 XeliN wrote: Why don't people seem to understand that currently it doesn't matter one bit who we vote for if your unaligned. "Let's root out faction leaders" "Hmmm I think we ought to go for X as they seem Yellow" are all meaningless Although discussion about who might be what roles is worthwhile for later on. I totally agree Xelin, but what else is there to do? Gotta talk about something.... At this stage it's a bit like why bother discussing strategy, when tomorrow you all might not be on my team and you might use my strategy against me or my new teammates? But, my goal this game is to have maximum fun, so for me that means playing 100% for whatever team I'm on, even if it screws me later on. Other people will probably play differently, and that's fine too. For now though, I'm anti-YTs, because it seems like they are likely the strongest at this point. As far as roles in the game: + Show Spoiler + There are also other roles in the game among the Prefects, such as alignment checkers, role detectors, assassins, and more. On top of these three, I would guess may be a medic of some sort, very likely some KP out there in non-assassin form, possibly some people who are immune to NK or 'lynches', BM's role which seems like he dies if people give their armies to him(worst power ever). I don't know what else, anyone have any additional hunches? | ||
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On May 20 2010 06:57 barth wrote: You missed my name  I haven`t posted since I don`t feel like over analyzing with almost no information at our hands at the moment. I also don`t want to have everyone throw shit at me right off the bat. Over analyzing with little to no info is the only way to go  As far as I'm concerned, it's between Last Romantic, Myheronoob and yourself, with DarthTheinAn running a slightly distant fourth. The more you post, the less likely to die you are. Darth, you talked all about how you weren't going to lurk in games anymore, yet here you are, lurking again . | ||
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On May 20 2010 05:28 Fishball wrote: Also, I'm pretty confident that everyone in this game has some sort of power from their roles. I think you're bang on with this. It seems likely that everyone has some sort of power, even if it sucks like Bill Murray's. It also seems unlikely that the leaders have any additional special power. For this reason, I think it makes a lot of sense for leaders to have Caller alert their members when they recruit them. The members will then at least have a focus for their powers and a savvy leader could get a lot of mileage out of their members abilities: teaming up dts and vigs to take out another leader for example . This also makes the Yellow Turbans even more powerful, because once recruited, the members will be using their powers 100% and sharing info 100% between themselves, because they don't need to worry about eventually getting recruited to another team. | ||
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Nah, anyone who wants to play can play for now. ##Kill Last Romantic | ||
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Wei has collapsed… for now. Callers statement On May 20 2010 11:56 Last Romantic wrote: Huh? There was no 'playing' to do, I just got offed Oo; I don't see what I was supposed to do differently edit: also, I thought I took two hits to kill? I'm quite confused. Last Romantic's death post. Perhaps Last Romantic is still in the game? Is that even possible? Could he be resurrected at some point? Perhaps another character in the game might take over the Blue team?? I know absolutely nothing about the Three Kingdoms lore so if there's some sort of precedent that might indicate Cao Cao having additional lives, or Wei getting a new leader fill me in. | ||
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On May 20 2010 10:49 Caller wrote: hey assholes, the sooner i get your night actions the sooner we can get this show on the road I thought this was a "strict" 24/48 hour cycle. Or is it more that the day length is fixed at 48hours, but night just ends whenever the actions all get in? | ||
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But seeing as how the blue team collapsed and no one else died, I think we can be confident that the faction leaders only start with the leaders. | ||
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On May 21 2010 02:32 Falcynn wrote: I actually think radfield's "Even if I'm a confirmed towny" was mostly just to tell everyone that whatever anyone thinks of his role now, his actions don't have any effect on his likelihood of being recruited. Not to actually exclaim that he's a confirmed towny. He probably just threw that line in there since that would probably be the extreme of what anyone here would be thinking. Absolutely. People were stating I was a confirmed townie and that I would likely be recruited because of that. I was simply pointing out that even if i WAS confirmed, it doesn't make me all that much more likely to be recruited. Pretty much the only way to be confirmed in any game is through alignment checks. Actions can always be misleading. Lets face it, I got pretty lucky with LR being a leader, but obviously no one expected it. It's not like I skillfully deduced his role. I said I'd lynch inactive hanger-ons and he hadn't posted a single thing. If you voted me in again tomorrow I'd probably kill off myheronoob because he's in the same boat. I'm totally OK with voting for someone other than me. It's super fun to be able to type in the ##Kill, but I'm cool if we decide on someone else. | ||
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On May 21 2010 05:11 Korynne wrote: Haha, gotta love the rush of power. Even if it is just for killing people online in a pretend game. xD hahah, so true | ||
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On May 21 2010 16:47 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...Actually so far roles haven't been revealed on death. Nobody but me knew about my loss of abilities. (Killed night visitors, and a special requirement for me to be killed during the day.) So I dunno where your going with this, but I'm fine with killing L. Iaaan will probably die with him. Also...Don't DT's check alignment? Seems more like a role check role.... L's making fun because Tricode (is he new?) isn't aware dt's don't know their sanity? Keep in mind Tricode seems to of checked role, not alignment...L is simply a Faction Leader, not a Kingdom...so it's role not alignment. Agreed, this sounds much more like a role check. I imagine an alignment check would simply come back as blue/red/yellow/etc. Given that it's a role check, it would be unlikely for it to not be accurate. I'm not even sure how an insane dt would work in this format, I mean, there's no bad guys or good guys really. Insane dt's work in normal mafia because everything is clear cut. Tricode maybe you could tell us your characters name, and we could run it through the LunarDestiny ROTK machine to see if there's any lore reasons you might not get an accurate result. Currently I believe Tricode about his role check, and I think L is a likely faction leader. It's possible L is telling the truth though, as it would make sense for the YT's to sacrifice a member to kill off a faction leader. That would be an excellent trade for them. So if we imagine that Tricode is a YT, where does that get us. Well, for starters the YT's would have to KNOW L is the faction leader before they decide to sac a player to kill him. It makes no sense to try and kill L unless you suspect him of being a leader. So this means the YT's must have used some KP last night(or a role check, in which case Tricode is telling the truth anyways) to try and kill L, only to have it not go through, therefore they would claim that L is a faction leader, given that it's basically been confirmed faction leaders have veteran abilities. Only, L is just a regular townie, and happened to be saved by a medic, which threw off the YT calculations. This is basically what L is saying happened. As far as I'm concerned, the simple way to clear this up is to have the medic role claim. I don't understand why people think that roleclaiming medic would suddenly make you a target? There's no mafia here. A medic absolutely doesn't threaten the faction leaders one bit, and doesn't threaten the townies. Why would anyone waste kp on a medic? If anything, it makes you slightly more likely to be recruited is all. So I'll be voting Tricode for now, unless a medic pops up and verifies what L has said. Of course it's possibly that L is a faction leader that had both a medic and vig/assassin target him last night, but oh well. Basically, as a neutral townie(hell, any alignment), I don't really care who flops what. But this will give us some interesting info at the very least. Also Tricode, even if you're telling the truth and L flops leader, it doesn't make you any more trustworthy as the game progresses, because you could be recruited at any time. In fact you would likely be recruited YT with powers such as yours. | ||
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There are also other roles in the game among the Prefects, such as alignment checkers, role detectors, assassins, and more. But you can figure those out for yourselves. Yeah, I'd say there's a good chance of having some role detectors..... | ||
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On May 21 2010 22:47 Fishball wrote: One thing I want to point out. Medics, DT's, Assassins etc. does not necessarily mean a good recruit; These players don't have to help their leaders if they didn't want to. Also, keep in mind they don't know who their leader is even if they wanted to help. I disagree, alignment/role checkers and Assassins would make excellent recruits. Sure they might decide to not help their leaders, but that goes for every role in the game. Plus YT recruits will always play to their fullest given that they can't be swiped away. And remember that the leaders have the option of getting Caller to notify a new recruit. For instance, if I got a msg saying I was recruited to the green team, and then the green leader contacted me the same day, I'd be pretty damn sure that I'm on the green team. Given that all players likely have a role, it would be bad practice for leaders to not tell their members that they've been recruited. Also given that we're down to three factions(possibly two after today) there will be much less member swiping by the leaders. Which again makes it more likely for the leaders to tell people they've been recruited. Anyways, alignment/role checkers and assassins make excellent recruits, because as a faction leader you would be able to find and eliminate potential threats, and also find good roles to recruit. | ||
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The more I think about it, the more I think we should let L live for now, and really focus on hunting the YT's. But I'll think on that some more first. | ||
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My initial feelings are this: Tricode believes he is telling the truth, and I'm have a hard time imagining why he would lie, if L is not a faction leader. Can someone please tell me what Tricode's motivation would be to lie about L being a faction leader?? Xelin has been awfully quit, and I think it's time for you to claim as well. If you are a leader I sure as hell hope you didn't recruit me last night and then not tell me about it. I'd be seriously pissed if you get daykilled and I go down with you.... Also, if you roleblocked me you should let me know. Via PM or whatever, because that is important info pertaining to what I did last night. Also, it seems with the clusterfuck that happened last night at L's house, we can't really draw any meaningful conclusions because of Hesmyrr's role. It's inconceivable that that many people could be lying at this stage in the game. Hesmyrr, I like your plan, but I think your putting too much emphasis on your interpretation of your role. Obviously people got notified last night of actions that went down at L's house, so your power is slightly different than you imagined. It's very possible that Tricode did in fact get off an accurate role check. For now I still think we should kill L. Unless he offers up roleclaim and it turns out to be somewhat legit. Tricode, if you were insane or paranoid, you absolutely would NOT be informed in your role PM. That's how it works. I'm still not sure how a role cop can be insane/paranoid though? He would just get a random role or something? On May 22 2010 05:28 XeliN wrote: Rad no doubt your wondering "What did XeliN do to me in the night?!" Let's just say the lubricant, beads and assortment of Barry Manilou CD's didn't just materialise overnight. Also the headache's and grogginess should wear off soon. Was it good for you at least.....? | ||
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On May 22 2010 05:53 XeliN wrote: Rad surely if I recruited you anonymously you would still be told you had been recruited into a team. As you consider it a possibility that I recruited you does that mean you have been anonymously been recruited into a team? As far as I know when you are recruited the only thing that can be held back is the name of the leader who recruited you. You ought be careful what you let slip out Mr Radfield, I told you that last night, but you probably don't remember. I am Jian Wei, the Tactician and I can Roleblock. I chose you as you seemed giddy with power and quite dangerous. + Show Spoiler + It started off well and good, but then this masked man came in and grabbed you saying "He is mine....!" and branded you with a colour, but I can't remember which..... Caller clarified that it's up to the leaders whether or not the member gets notified. Which means people might have been recruited last night who right now have no idea they are part of a faction. Roleblocking... is that what the kids are calling it these days?? I appreciate you bringing the lube though.... | ||
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Johnnyspazz: Spamming and lurking, hasn't made a real post all game Ohn: Lurking hardcore, pops out immediatly after posts to clarify/comment and then disappears. Adds nothing of his own. MyheroNoob: Completely inactive DarthTheinAn: Still lurking Jugan: Pretty much just spamming. He mentions the YTs in pretty much every post. If this were regular mafia, I'd be looking real hard at Jspazz and Ohn. But as it is.,...., Anyways, just wanted to point these folks out. | ||
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On May 22 2010 06:57 BrownBear wrote: Well, since everyone else has namedropped in the past several pages, I might as well namedrop myself: I am Zhao Yun. I have the power of nightkill ^^ So with all the people who have roleclaimed, I think rather than looking at the people who have roleclaimed and analyzing to see if they're lying, it would be far more interesting to look at the people who HAVEN'T yet roleclaimed. They are: 1. Bill Murray 3. johnnyspazz 4. Radfield 5. Scamp 6. Ohn 7. Falcynn 8. Iaaan 9. L (states he has reasons for not doing so, since his role is a "poison pill") 10. BloodyCobbler 11. MyHeroNoob 15. TwotoneTerran 19. Trezequet23 20. Fishball (pretty sure the Qin Shi Huang roleclaim was a joke )21. Lunardestiny 23. DarthThienAn 24. Jugan This is a (mostly accurate) list of the people who are still alive and have yet to roleclaim. It's far more likely that at least 1 or 2 of the faction leaders are hiding in the majority of people who don't roleclaim, rather than trying to lie and make up both a name, a role for that name, and reasoning behind that role. Honestly? I think at this point in the game, it would be a good idea to have everyone roleclaim, complete with their name. Then, we can focus on the people who either refuse to roleclaim, or make roleclaims that don't really make sense. Also, L, I understand you don't want to roleclaim, but especially with XeliN having claimed a role, that's putting you kinda back in the spotlight. It would be great if you could explain somehow either why your role would be useless if everyone knew about it, or if you could just roleclaim. If I win the dayvote, I will be sure to follow the will of the town, but the will of the town might be falling against you if you continue to be coy with your role. Well, a mass role claim is an interesting idea. I'm trying to figure out the pro's and con's. Obviously this puts heat on the leaders, given that they would need to come up with a name of some Three Kingdom person, and hope they don't overlap. If everyone has a unique name we could lynch the most obscure people. Obviously we know what to do if people overlap with names. However, if some of the leaders manage to hide, then it gives them a full list of roles, which would be invaluable to them. They would become very strong, very quick. Worth some thought though. | ||
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On May 22 2010 07:05 Bill Murray wrote: i don't see how my claiming will benefit the town. if enough veterans feel i need to, i will. The real question is if everyone claiming benefits the town. | ||
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On May 22 2010 07:15 L wrote: So, do you want me to claim or not? Entirely up to you. I'd be happy hearing your name, if you think it's important to keep your role secret. | ||
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Anyone have any misgivings about everyone claiming their character name, yet not their role?? I am Zhuge Liang | ||
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On May 22 2010 07:23 Falcynn wrote: Also, if we mass role/name claim, would you guys prefer it if we claimed in the thread? Or in a PM to a specific person? The one benefit of PMing an individual is that the leaders can't see what names are being claimed and are in more danger of overlapping. The primary danger though is that there are no 100% confirmed townies, so we run the risk of a FL possibly being able to weasel themselves out if they end up getting picked as the person to claim to. Hesmyrr was cited by BM as being nearly confirmed towny, and while I would agree, it's due mostly to Hesmyrr's behaviour rather than any hard evidence, which would still make me leery about picking her (is hesmyrr or korynne female? or are they both?) Korynne is female Hesmyrr is male to the best of my knowledge I don't like the idea of claiming to a person, as there is no person out there that all the townies can trust. We can all trust the thread to be neutral however. But you're right, it would be better if we could hide the names, I just don't think it's feasable. | ||
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On May 22 2010 07:36 L wrote: Because he probably hit me and had the hit blocked by Lu Xun, then figured that a role with night defence had to be a ruler. Since he's had it out for me since prior to day 1 ending, it makes sense that he'd try to wagon me. If he's right? Awesome, he gains massive cred. If he's wrong? Tricode doesn't think about such things. Or much in general anyways. Yeah, presumably he had some KP that was blocked, and made the jump to assuming you had veteran powers-------> must be a faction leader. Not a particularly bad assumption, but a real bad game plan to claim rolecop.... | ||
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Once again to indulge people, let's say L turns up to be what he claims and well w/e i fucked up, I'll just e killed and dt's will know there are insane dt's after I show up legit. Not how it works Tricode. Dt's can have different sanity levels, you might have some be paranoid, some normal etc. | ||
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On May 22 2010 08:39 LunarDestiny wrote: So if you lynch Tricode and he dies. Will Caller tell us if he is sane or not? I would say no. barth, aka Diao Chan, was found dead. This was all we got when Barth died. No mention of roles whatsoever. I think we'll just get alignment and name, no role. | ||
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So don't plan on learning anything about people roles when they die | ||
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On May 22 2010 08:55 LunarDestiny wrote: Trezeguet probably say his ability because Cao Pi succeeded Cao Cao after he died. And remember that annoying "wei has fallen... for now" haha, I wonder if Trez becomes a faction leader on Day 4.... He just screwed himself if thats the case | ||
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3. johnnyspazz 5. Scamp 6. Ohn 8. Iaaan 10. BloodyCobbler 11. MyHeroNoob 20. Fishball 24. Jugan Interesting to note that Scamp actually claimed NO power earlier in the thread, which at this point, seems very suspicious. I think Scamp might just be a Faction Leader. Thoughts? | ||
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On May 22 2010 09:05 BrownBear wrote: This game is just so nuts at this point anyway, honestly anything is possible. that list of people who haven't namedropped should be a good list to start with though, after this whole Tricode-L thing is cleared up. Again, to everyone who cares, as of right now I'm choosing to hit Tricode if I win the day vote. If you want it to be otherwise, and your name isn't Tricode, please speak up sooner rather than later. Well, we have another 24hrs or so. I'm interested to see who out of the seven remaining people fails to nameclaim. Either way, the last people to nameclaim will seem suspicious no matter what. | ||
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On May 22 2010 09:07 Scamp wrote: Yeah because I was obviously 100 percent serious when I did that. I am a major player in this game, though. Don't ever discount that. You seemed serious at the time.... In fact you basically mentioned it twice. But yeah, now that you've name claimed and indicated you have special powers, your obviously off that particular list. | ||
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Also, Xelin already claimed he Roleblocked me. Tricode should definitely be a target, as it's very difficult to reconcile his and hesmyrr actions last night, and if Tricode flips neutral then something is definitely up with L. I just can't fathom why a neutral player would lie like that. | ||
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On May 22 2010 18:33 MyHeroNoob wrote: You are Meng Huo, Barbarian Leader! Because you do what you want, you may desert your current faction at any time. Please don't tell me you quoted your PM..... | ||
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On May 22 2010 19:04 LunarDestiny wrote: No, I am not saying that MyHeroNoob shouldn't post his role pm here. I am saying if MyHeroNoob already posted his role pm, he might as well post in its entirety to prove his innocence. I also recall seeing someone posted his role pm. Posting your role PM is bannable. Or at least thats what caller said on like page 15 | ||
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Well we all know Bushie is a leader, so we might as well lynch you | ||
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On May 23 2010 02:23 BrownBear wrote: Ahh ok, I see now. So L has claimed Trez PMed him about a vig hit, which... is or is not true? Trezguet, can you weigh in here? If you say "naw, this is a lie" then L's coffin is sealed. Trezguet has claimed in thread to be Cao Cao's son, can't remember the name. His ability is to kill any leader who tries to recruit him. Him claiming Vig to L seems awful strange, unless he was just fishing for information. | ||
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On May 23 2010 03:19 Fishball wrote: I was also going to quote where I replied to you, regarding players that are recruited does not mean loyalty to their leaders. They can screw them over if they wanted. This case is a good example. Couldn't find that post ;( Ha! Don't worry I remember it well You were bang on | ||
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On May 23 2010 03:26 LunarDestiny wrote: What is unusual about Fishball and MyHeroNoob both claim Meng Huo and told us that they have similar ability (ability to escape recruitment). The difference between Fishball and MyHeroNoob's claim are: 1)Fishball mentioned he ability has limited use and MyHeroNoob did not say anything about limited use or unlimited use. 2)MyHeroNoob even quoted his role pm or he is making the role pm up. 3) FiahBall claimed Meng Huo first and MyHeroNoob claimed Meng Huosecond In the case of DarthTheinAn and TwoToneTerran, the former was lying at first about the Ma Chao stuff but switched to Zhou Yu after TwoToneTerran exposed DarthTheinAn. Yep, I figure TwoToneTerran is probably lying. | ||
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On May 23 2010 03:39 LunarDestiny wrote: That is not what I was saying. That is no evidence that TwoToneTerran is lying. you're right, there is no concrete evidence that TwoToneTerran is lying, just some circumstantial evidence. But to be honest I don't really trust Fishball much either. But one think is almost certain: One of these two is lying, and is likely either a YT or the other faction leader. And Fishball is wrong to say that we need to wait until tomorrow to sort it out. We have a wealth of night abilities here, and if used prudently, they can tell us what we need to know, or simply eliminate them one or both of them. I would hope that by the end of the next night cycle, we have good information about both of them. | ||
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On May 23 2010 04:26 TwoToneTerran wrote: Could you tell me that circumstantial evidence? Dude copped to lying and fishing for my role, because it's a well known character in the story. It's like if someone lied about being Jiang Wei -- too important and the person needs to respond as for him to not get away scott clean on that role claim. My bad, I keep confusing you and Myheronoob... | ||
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On May 23 2010 04:46 Jugan wrote: But I'm just a puppet! I do what people tell me! I can't even open a door by myself! Why? We asked everyone to state their name(not role) in order to put pressure on the leaders. Leaders would have to fake a name and risk tipping people off. L faked a name, and LunarDestiny immediately became suspicious because of that, although that obviously wasn't a deciding factor in L getting killed. I explained it kind of sloppily, but does this answer your question? | ||
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1. Bill Murray yuan shao 2. Hesmyrr Action Blocker Lu Xun 3. johnnyspazz Zhang Liao 4. Radfield Zhuge Liang 5. Scamp Guan Yu 6. Ohn 7. Falcynn Sima Yi 8. Iaaan 9. L Sun Quan 10. BloodyCobbler Huang Gai 11. MyHeroNoob Able to desert Meng Huo 12. Xelin Roleblocking Jian Wei 13. BrownBear Vigilante Zhao Yun 14. Tricode Role Cop Lu Meng 15. TwotoneTerran Ma Chao 16. Abenson YT Killer Taishi Ci 17. ~Opz~ No Role Lu Bu 18. Barth ??? Diao Chan 19. Trezequet23 Kills any leader who tries to recruit him Cao Pi 20. Fishball Able to desert Meng Huo AND Qin Shi Huang 21. Lunardestiny Xu Zhu 22. Last Romantic Leader Cao Cao 23. DarthThienAn zhou yu 24. Jugan Zhang Fei | ||
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On May 23 2010 05:36 LunarDestiny wrote: Should I give my take on the importance of the character claimed by people and analyze which important role hasn't been name claim? But it could help the the Ohn and Iaaan in their name claiming. Are there any roles that seem particularly minor or obscure? | ||
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On May 23 2010 09:29 XeliN wrote: I don't understand why L would say I would be a target, now my night ability is public it is next to useless for any of the Teams, and as far as I can tell there should be no reason to doubt my claim, at least compared to what everyone else has claimed so far. I agree, you make a poor target for anyone with a NK ability. The factions want to target other factions with their NK's, and the town want to target the factions with their NK's. I can't imagine why anyone would target the probably neutral roleblocker. Recruit you maybe, but not kill. | ||
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On May 23 2010 10:00 Hesmyrr wrote: Well I thought L meant Xelin could be lying, but to my belief you received notification of roleblock? Then it's easy; roleblock that Meng guy for notification since he can escape anytime anyway. Actually I didn't receive notification of being roleblocked....? Should I have? Whats the standard procedure when one gets roleblocked? | ||
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On May 23 2010 18:24 XeliN wrote: Where does he claim this and what are his claimed abilities? I claimed this many pages ago, but I can do it again if you'd like. I'm Zhuge Liang. I see no reason to reveal my role publicly at this point, but I have told a couple people what it is. | ||
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On May 23 2010 11:21 LunarDestiny wrote: Only Ohn has not name claim. Contradictions: 1)Fishball claims Meng Huo (p.47) MyHeroNoob claims Meng Huo (p.50) 2)DarthThienAn claims Ma Chao after five page of trolling us (p.47) TwoToneTerran claims Ma Chao (p.49) DarthThienAn responds that he was fishing(p.49) DarthThienAn refers to his hints(p.45) (Zhou Jie Lun and Xiao Yu) to claim he's ZhouYu(p.51) 3)Trezeguet23 claims Cao Pi(p.43) Iaaan claims Cao Pi(p.56) + Show Spoiler [Fishball and MyHeroNoob] + On May 22 2010 10:30 Fishball wrote: I wonder who was the first to bring up the idea of Name and Roleclaiming 2-3 days ago? Hmm... I think it was me. Also, stop saying that I'm MIA ffs. I have a full time job that requires me to work from 7-4pm weekdays. I also go to the gym 4 days a week and am back home usually around 6 MST. I'm Meng Huo. I get to escape from recruitment. + Show Spoiler [DarthThienAn and TwoToneTerran] + On May 22 2010 21:18 DarthThienAn wrote: To be honest, the situation concerning me is irrelevant. We need people to nameclaim and see where the contradictions come up. I don't know the first thing about the Three Kingdoms except what I've been reading on Wikipedia. So the whole "first five general that comes to your head", well I guess that's true. Stumbled upon the article and figured, Caller already had a couple, why not one more =D. I already explained my reasoning as to why I did what I did. I took Caller's "trolling is encouraged" to heart, first of all, but then decided I wanted to get more information for the town. I intentionally name and roleclaimed ahead of time to Radfield, then BB, so that when the time came, they could clear my name. Since this will say nothing about my role (I don't think), I'll claim for real this time: I am Zhou Jie Lun + Xiao Yu at the same time o.o o.o I'm Zhou Yu. I look really good and I'm great at music. And I'm really jealous of Radfield and am destined to die. Says Wikipedia anyway. + Show Spoiler [Trezeguet23 and Iaaan] + On May 23 2010 11:03 Iaaan wrote: This man is lying, I am Cao Pi, the son of Cao Cao. His guess about Cao Pi's abilities is also wrong, if I was recruited by Cao Cao, and he died, I would take his place. That doesn't matter anymore tho, since Cao Cao is dead. Just a disclaimer, I haven't read the last like 20 pages so I have no idea whats going on. I was just skimming quickly and saw this, I don't know whats been going on, only that Trez is bullshitting. I wont have time to read the thread today or tmrw, which I apologies for, but if you have any questions, ask. As far as I can tell, we have 5 suspicious targets. Ohn, Myheronoob and fishball, Iaaan and Trezguet. I'm pretty sure we can either kill or check in some fashion all 5 of these players. If there is another neutral aligned player out there who has a nightkill power, I suggest you hit Ohn. The other 4 I think are covered. As far as Darth is concerned, he both name and role claimed to me long before he started lying about his name in the thread. I really don't know what his game plan was, but I don't think he's very suspicious right now. And given that Darth was trolling, I don't really find TwoToneTerran suspicious at all. | ||
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On May 23 2010 19:38 XeliN wrote: Well now that is quite striking.. because my role is such that I have the ability to roleblock even Zhuge and Sima, they are specifically mentioned. I was inclined to think that both of those were leadership roles and mine was such that I could even block the leaders... Aha, well, the great thing about my role is that roleclaiming doesn't tell you much. I get a different random power each night. Last night I had the YT Killer role, like abenson, but unfortunately you roleblocked me so I didn't get any info from it. I have no idea what my role will be tonight. The other quirk to my role is that if I die, no information is reavealed about who I am, or what Alignment I have. | ||
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Our assets: Role Checker(Tricode), Role Blocker(Xelin), Vigilante(Brownbear), YT Killer(Abenson), Watcher(unknown). There is also an Alignment checker out there who is in PM contact with me, and I will be getting a random ability tonight as well, hopefully with investigative or NK powers. So, we want to clean up the five main targets at the moment: Iaaan and Trez, myheronoob and Fishball, and Ohn. It's possible Ohn may still post his role and become more active. Honestly, now that it comes to it, I'd rather not say the actions I recommend in the thread, so that we can't get screwed over too bad by medics/roleblockers. I've PMed all of these people who my suggestions though. if everyone really thinks this should be public info though we can discuss it here. Gotta go, more later. | ||
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On May 24 2010 02:49 Iaaan wrote: I just want to point out that trez is a liar and I am not, because it would be retarded for me to counter claim for no reason when I could have choosen any character, as there was only what, 2 or 3 people left to claim? Trez tried to choose Cao Pi because Cao Cao was dead, and thus he would be ignored. Also, if you look at what he says about his abilities, the if he gets recruited, the faction leader dies, that makes it obvious he is trying to keep himself from being recruited for some reason. Some reason being that he is a faction leader, or that he has a special role and is going for a neutral win. So, Trez should be killed unless he is working with Radfield and lied because he was the watcher or detective or something. Trez is NOT working with me and he is highly suspicious at the moment. However, you also become suspicious by association, surely you see that. Hopefully tonight's actions will clear things up. If there ever is a 'tonight'.... | ||
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On May 24 2010 21:45 XeliN wrote: Oh and Bill I roleblocked you last night, wasn't sure who to go for and I remember you jumping at the opportunity to lynch me as well as demanding I reveal my role so figured you were in need of some blocking. What do you mean you roleblocked Bill last night? We've only had one night cycle so far, and you roleblocked me so..... Unless you mean you going to roleblock Bill tonight. | ||
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Once Caller posts we'll be on Day 3, and we'll vote again. Xelin, Bill Murray claimed to have a role where he dies if we give him our armies. Please don't roleblock someone with an investigative role. I recommend Trezguet at the moment, or Fishball. In my eyes they are the two most likely leaders at this point. | ||
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Brownbear nightkilled Jugan ------> Dead Tricode role checked Trezguet------> Leader Abenson visited Fishball --------------> Not a YT DT checked Iaaan------------------------> Still Awaiting Results I tracked(temp power) BC -------------------------------> He visited Jugan, but Jugan is dead by Brownbear's hand, so BC is not a medic, but hard to tell what role he might have. At the very least he has a night action. Definitely should be checked tonight. Also, the watcher probably watched Abenson, which is what I asked him to do. However, I think Hesmyrr wanted him to watch Tricode. If he watched Tricode, then we know who the YT leader is. In addition, Xelin roleblocked Fishball. Presumably a bunch else happened, but this is what was planned. Without further ado, we should all be giving our vote to someone who will kill Trezguet. I'm happy to do it, but if people feel more comfortable with someone else, that's fine too. As long as we take him out today. Unless of course someone reverse roleblocked Trez, and like 7 people visited him last night, including several vigs and a medic or two, in which case Tricode is probably lying.... Caller, if we kill the YT leader, do all the YT members die just like the other factions? I realize you might not answer, but it's worth a shot. | ||
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On May 25 2010 09:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No I am not, but it would be nice to be cleared off the list of YT's Just realized: BC visited Jugan last night, and since Tricode got recruited as a YT, BC is absolutely not a YT. If Trezguet flips as the other leader, then BC is clean. | ||
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A few things we know, or likely know. Trezguet is a YT with recruiting powers BM is probably a YT Tricode is a YT Fishball is NOT a YT, but could be the green leader BC in NOT a YT, but could be the green leader Iaaan flipped neutral according to the alignment check I'd love if the watcher could confirm who he watched last night and what happened, but only if it's pertinent info. So I'm going to assume that Abenson did not get recruited last night unless the watcher confirms otherwise. So, we lynch Trez today, and if the rest of the YT gang is still around, Brownbear and Abenson kill the other two tonight. At the very least that gets rid of 3 YT members and significantly sets back their victory. We also have a host of investigative powers, and I think people worth checking out are BloodyC0bbler, Johnnyspazz, Scamp, Ohn, and Fishball(could still be green). Of course other people are likely green as well, but all we need to do is find the green leader. I would recommend the watcher watch Brownbear or myself to see if we get recuited. Anything I'm missing? Any better suggestions as to how we clear all this up? | ||
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On May 25 2010 19:51 Bill Murray wrote: jeez i really have to explain this again... Yes please, you never explained WHY you did anything. Just that you had some plan with Jugan(who's dead and can't confirm) to bus Trez and Scamp. I'd love to hear what that plan was, because it seems like it directly fucks over the town plan that I posted last night cycle. Also, who did you bus night 1? Presumably we should be able to confirm that it happened. Everything you've written so far makes me think you are on Trez's side, trying to save his ass and prolong his life. | ||
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On May 25 2010 20:10 Bill Murray wrote: I have an idea. Daykill me to prove that I am telling the truth about Trez not being the leader. I am really wanting a neutral victory, and that is why I have been posting considerably less since my recruitment. I am not going to hand you all the leader on a silver platter, but just trust me on this Daykill me, doubletap trez in the night (to keep YT numbers down), and then try to hunt the YT leader and the green faction leader. That is the best course of action for the town that I really really really wanted to win before I got recruited to YT  Strange that you argue against my plan of Daykilling Trez and killing you at night, only to propose that we Daykill you and NK Trez. What am I missing here? It's the exact same result, except that we have to use two nk's instead of one. What are you playing at? All I can imagine right now is that you are doing your best to save your leader Trez, by delaying his death any way you can. Too much can happen at night, roleblocks, bussing, medics, etc. We kill trez now, and deal with the rest later. Consider Trez has pretty much already admitting to being the YT leader: "But unfortunately for these idiots they haven't told me who I'm working for or anything other then I have been recruited for them." lol you gave me how long to let you know?? Caller told him that he is YT, caller didn't tell me that the recruitment worked, Tricode got too big a boner and shot his load in the thread because he couldn't hold it in. All of Trezguets syntax point to him being the LEADER, not some lowly second in command brother. Anyways, that's hardly important. KILL TREZGUET | ||
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On May 25 2010 20:11 Bill Murray wrote: I am going to sleep. Trust me on this guys. Give your armies to Radfield (fishball is probably green) hah, well, I can't argue with this one.... If you give me your armies, I will kill Trez, that I guarantee. | ||
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BM has claimed like twice thats he's YT and twice that he's NOT YT. And shockingly lied about bussing, who woulda know. Lunar Destiny, you should Daykill Trez, so we can see if the whole faction goes down. If it does go down, then we can use our lynch on whoever we suspect to be green. The sooner we can go after green the better. If the whole YT faction doesn't go down with Trez, then we can use our daykill on one of the other confirmed YT members.. It's in our best interest to kill trez asap. If you imagine that instead of 1 dayvig and 1 lynch, we just had two dayvigs, we would definitely use the first one on trez. We basically DO have two dayvigs, so please use yours on trez, so we will have more information for the lynch vote. @Darth: why do you keep saying that Abenson is not neutral?? I missed anything to that respect in the thread, unless you mean when abenson asked if he should claim if he gets recruited. Also, where did MyHeroNoob unclaim his name? Here is a list of people I currently trust as neutral. No one else has to trust them though, but I do. Darth Brownbear Iaaan Lunar Destiny People I kinda trust: Xelin Scamp Fishball Falcynn people I don't trust: Jspazz Ohn BloodyC0bbler YT Members Tricode Bill Murray Trezguet | ||
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On May 26 2010 07:31 XeliN wrote: In his defence there's no mention in the rules and he didn't quote ^^ Or did he? Dun Dun DUNNNNNN | ||
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On May 26 2010 09:45 DarthThienAn wrote: But... L visited Hesmyrr night 1. They both died from the Day 2 lynch. Soo... ... anyway, nothing that you said confirms you as a tracker -__-, since it's all been public knowledge. All your claiming does is enable us to direct your night actions as we can. Yep, that doesn't quite add up. L had to have visited Hesmyrr night one, unless L just bullshitted Hesmyrr and hadn't actually recruited him. Either Caller forgot to inform you of whom L visited, or you're lying, or you got somehow roleblocked, which sems unlikely, since Xelin blocked me. Anyways, I can confirm that there is a tracker role in the game, as that was my role last night. In my books, Ohn is likely not a leader. | ||
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On May 26 2010 10:37 Fishball wrote: I understand Radfield's reason for trying to take out Trezequet23 ASAP, but there are two things that you guys did not take account of. Let's just assume Trezequet23 is the YT leader for now. 1. What if he has 2 lives? Then you just wasted your one and only hit. While a lynch would guarantee his death. 2. What if the entire empire doesn't go down with him? This was the sole reason of using your hit over the lynch; To save time and use my lynch on someone else. 1. I'm pretty sure that a dayvig ignores an additional night lives someone might have. At least last game I got Dayvigged when I was bulletproof, and still died. 2. This is the wrong way to look at it. There is a good chance the entire empire WILL go down with him, so it makes no sense to not kill the leader first. If the whole empire doesn't go down with him, then we have to pick them all off one by one anyways, so it makes no difference. We should be killing Trezguet FIRST. Why kill BM, THEN Trezguet when killing Trez might kill them both. It doesn't make sense. The only reason we think that killing Trez won't kill all the YT is because of all BM's 'brother' stuff, but he was lying about everything else he's said in the last 24hrs, I don't think this should be any different. Lunar Destiny you should use your Daykill on Trez, it makes sense from every angle. Lets not waste KP here for no reason | ||
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So fishball killed Trez, and Tricode went down with him. Presumably the YT's are dead and the Greens are the only faction left. Apparently Bill Murray was neutral after all. By my count, that means that Trez either did not recruit someone on night one, or he doubled up with the green guys(since we know that L recruited Hesmyrr). Lets hope he doubled up with green, which means green only has a single recruit right now. Which means it's currently 12/13 neutrals vs 2/3 greens. Good odds for us considering we only have to kill the leader, but unfortunately we lost our rolecop. People who in my eyes are confirmed NOT A LEADER. They might be green, but they aren't the leader. Radfield Brownbear Darthienan Xelin Iaaan Abenson Lunar Destiny Ohn has claimed tracker, and I trust him for the moment, because I had the tracker ability last night, which means it's in the game. Unless someone else claims tracker, I will trust Ohn to be not a leader. Someone out there is a watcher, who can be confirmed by Hesmyrr's code that he posted, with only one leader out there, it's time for you to come forward so we can narrow down the list. At this point I think we should all roleclaim. Why you ask? Because the key to a neutral victory is finding the green leader. I don't really care about the lackey's, find the leader and we win. This is how I think we do it. First we all roleclaim, we then get anyone who claims they have a night action to prove it, I'm pretty sure with a tracker, watcher, and various other night action roles we can figure out if they're lying(we also have two nights of info we can verify with). Everyone who claims to have a power without a night action gets investigated.... or killed if they've been suspicious enough so far. Obviously some people won't like that, but it's a good road to victory. This plan probably has holes, but I think it's a good plan. If you don't like it then put forward a better plan. Also, no need to roleclaim just yet, lets talk this through a bit. | ||
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On May 27 2010 10:17 Abenson wrote: O well, I already RC'ed. Btw, it would be really nice if Caller confirm and tell us what ACTUALLY happened instead of the confusing night post o.o Just focus on the flashy lights. I kinda think Caller WANTS to keep us in the dark. It's kinda been his mantra all game. But one thing he did tell us, only one more leader left, so the rest doesn't matter. | ||
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The rest of the people 1. Bill Murray 5. Scamp 7. Falcynn 10. BloodyCobbler 11. MyHeroNoob 15. TwotoneTerran 17. ~Opz~ 20. Fishball Myheronoob and twotoneterran both came out on the proper side of nameclaims, which makes me think they are not the green leader. Opz was pretty much the first person to nameclaim, which reduces suspicion on him greatly. Falcynn claimed Sima Yi, which Xelin confirmed was in the game, given that it listed Sima Yi in Xelin's role description. Bill Murray's role of bad army leader seems legit. Even if everything else he said was lying, I'm inclined to believe that part of his story, because he mentioned it at the beginning of the game and made a big stink of it. This leaves three people. Scamp, BC and Fishball. Fishball has STILL not name claimed(I think) which makes him most likely to be the green leader I suppose. BC has a night action and has been very quiet. Scamp has claimed a powerful role, I'm inclined to believe him, but I have nothing which with I can clear him from the short list. Any objections to this logic? Recommendations on how we should proceed will follow. | ||
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On May 27 2010 10:35 Fishball wrote: Also, if none of my actions thus far cannot convince you that I am NOT Liu Bei, then I've got no more to say. Hit me with a breakdown of your actions. This thread has been real drawn out and i forget alot of what has gone on. As far as I know, you pushed hard to lynch Trez yesterday. This doesn't count against being the green leader, because of course the green leader would also push hard for lynching trez yesterday. In fact, everyone was and should have been pushing to lynch trez yesterday. It was obvious. So what other actions make you not a leader? I'm not trying to be snarky here, I just can't think of any. | ||
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On May 27 2010 10:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You are Huang Gai, Every night you may challenge someone to a duel. If you win two duels in a row, you gain an extra night life. If you lose the duel, you die, regardless of however many lives you have. If you're telling the truth, then thats a wild and crazy role. What IS a duel? How do you win? How do you lose? Does the person you challenge die if they lose? Who have you visited so far and what happened? | ||
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On May 27 2010 10:42 Fishball wrote: No way I'm spending 2 hours to search and quote what I did this entire game. This is entirely up to you. Don't search or quote anything. I'll do the fact checking. You just tell me in your own words what you've done. | ||
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Sorry to say, I'm going to NK you tonight unless you can somehow prove you're not a leader. I know you have a night action. Either you are the watcher, and can prove it by giving me Hesmyrr's code. Or you have a night action that you can hopefully prove some other way. Otherwise you have to go. Can't have inactive people with night actions running around, surely you see that. He was the most obvious person to be a leader still in the game. However, I do agree with him that the leaders were kind of fucked once people started playing for a neutral victory. I suppose there needed to be something in the rules about not deliberately playing against your faction. Anyways, Darth, Brownbear and I had a great time trying to co-ordinate the town actions behind the scenes. Super fun. Good Game all. | ||
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On May 28 2010 07:43 ohN wrote: Caller should post the night-actions and player roles. I wanna see how many people visited L first night lol. I don't actually think very many visited L Tricode Brownbear that's all I know | ||
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