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On May 26 2010 10:37 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2010 10:32 LunarDestiny wrote:
SHIT, time is running out. As of now, I am killing Trezequet23. Should i make change or should I not? I understand Radfield's reason for trying to take out Trezequet23 ASAP, but there are two things that you guys did not take account of. Let's just assume Trezequet23 is the YT leader for now. 1. What if he has 2 lives? Then you just wasted your one and only hit. While a lynch would guarantee his death. 2. What if the entire empire doesn't go down with him? This was the sole reason of using your hit over the lynch; To save time and use my lynch on someone else.
1. I'm pretty sure that a dayvig ignores an additional night lives someone might have. At least last game I got Dayvigged when I was bulletproof, and still died.
2. This is the wrong way to look at it. There is a good chance the entire empire WILL go down with him, so it makes no sense to not kill the leader first. If the whole empire doesn't go down with him, then we have to pick them all off one by one anyways, so it makes no difference.
We should be killing Trezguet FIRST. Why kill BM, THEN Trezguet when killing Trez might kill them both. It doesn't make sense. The only reason we think that killing Trez won't kill all the YT is because of all BM's 'brother' stuff, but he was lying about everything else he's said in the last 24hrs, I don't think this should be any different.
Lunar Destiny you should use your Daykill on Trez, it makes sense from every angle. Lets not waste KP here for no reason
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Nothing like an AFK mod to really bring things to a halt
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So, somehow LunarDestiny's Daykill got used on Jspazz. Not sure how that happened, but apparently he was neutral, oh well.
So fishball killed Trez, and Tricode went down with him. Presumably the YT's are dead and the Greens are the only faction left. Apparently Bill Murray was neutral after all.
By my count, that means that Trez either did not recruit someone on night one, or he doubled up with the green guys(since we know that L recruited Hesmyrr). Lets hope he doubled up with green, which means green only has a single recruit right now.
Which means it's currently 12/13 neutrals vs 2/3 greens. Good odds for us considering we only have to kill the leader, but unfortunately we lost our rolecop.
People who in my eyes are confirmed NOT A LEADER. They might be green, but they aren't the leader.
Radfield
Brownbear
Darthienan
Xelin
Iaaan
Abenson
Lunar Destiny
Ohn has claimed tracker, and I trust him for the moment, because I had the tracker ability last night, which means it's in the game. Unless someone else claims tracker, I will trust Ohn to be not a leader.
Someone out there is a watcher, who can be confirmed by Hesmyrr's code that he posted, with only one leader out there, it's time for you to come forward so we can narrow down the list.
At this point I think we should all roleclaim. Why you ask? Because the key to a neutral victory is finding the green leader. I don't really care about the lackey's, find the leader and we win.
This is how I think we do it. First we all roleclaim, we then get anyone who claims they have a night action to prove it, I'm pretty sure with a tracker, watcher, and various other night action roles we can figure out if they're lying(we also have two nights of info we can verify with). Everyone who claims to have a power without a night action gets investigated.... or killed if they've been suspicious enough so far. Obviously some people won't like that, but it's a good road to victory.
This plan probably has holes, but I think it's a good plan. If you don't like it then put forward a better plan. Also, no need to roleclaim just yet, lets talk this through a bit.
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Radfield
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On May 27 2010 10:17 Abenson wrote:
O well, I already RC'ed.
Btw, it would be really nice if Caller confirm and tell us what ACTUALLY happened instead of the confusing night post o.o
Just focus on the flashy lights. I kinda think Caller WANTS to keep us in the dark. It's kinda been his mantra all game. But one thing he did tell us, only one more leader left, so the rest doesn't matter.
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OK, I layed out who i feel is NOT a leader, so lets look at the rest of the people in the game. I might be remembering a few things wrong here, so if people see any errors let me know.
The rest of the people
1. Bill Murray
5. Scamp
7. Falcynn
10. BloodyCobbler
11. MyHeroNoob
15. TwotoneTerran
17. ~Opz~
20. Fishball
Myheronoob and twotoneterran both came out on the proper side of nameclaims, which makes me think they are not the green leader. Opz was pretty much the first person to nameclaim, which reduces suspicion on him greatly. Falcynn claimed Sima Yi, which Xelin confirmed was in the game, given that it listed Sima Yi in Xelin's role description. Bill Murray's role of bad army leader seems legit. Even if everything else he said was lying, I'm inclined to believe that part of his story, because he mentioned it at the beginning of the game and made a big stink of it.
This leaves three people. Scamp, BC and Fishball. Fishball has STILL not name claimed(I think) which makes him most likely to be the green leader I suppose. BC has a night action and has been very quiet. Scamp has claimed a powerful role, I'm inclined to believe him, but I have nothing which with I can clear him from the short list.
Any objections to this logic? Recommendations on how we should proceed will follow.
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Radfield
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On May 27 2010 10:35 Fishball wrote:
Also, if none of my actions thus far cannot convince you that I am NOT Liu Bei, then I've got no more to say.
Hit me with a breakdown of your actions. This thread has been real drawn out and i forget alot of what has gone on.
As far as I know, you pushed hard to lynch Trez yesterday. This doesn't count against being the green leader, because of course the green leader would also push hard for lynching trez yesterday. In fact, everyone was and should have been pushing to lynch trez yesterday. It was obvious.
So what other actions make you not a leader? I'm not trying to be snarky here, I just can't think of any.
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Radfield
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On May 27 2010 10:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
You are Huang Gai, Every night you may challenge someone to a duel. If you win two duels in a row, you gain an extra night life. If you lose the duel, you die, regardless of however many lives you have.
If you're telling the truth, then thats a wild and crazy role.
What IS a duel? How do you win? How do you lose? Does the person you challenge die if they lose? Who have you visited so far and what happened?
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On May 27 2010 10:42 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 10:39 Radfield wrote:On May 27 2010 10:35 Fishball wrote:
Also, if none of my actions thus far cannot convince you that I am NOT Liu Bei, then I've got no more to say. Hit me with a breakdown of your actions. This thread has been real drawn out and i forget alot of what has gone on. As far as I know, you pushed hard to lynch Trez yesterday. This doesn't count against being the green leader, because of course the green leader would also push hard for lynching trez yesterday. In fact, everyone was and should have been pushing to lynch trez yesterday. It was obvious. So what other actions make you not a leader? I'm not trying to be snarky here, I just can't think of any. No way I'm spending 2 hours to search and quote what I did this entire game. This is entirely up to you.
Don't search or quote anything. I'll do the fact checking. You just tell me in your own words what you've done.
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Radfield
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I'd like to hope that BC's choice to concede had something to do with the PM I sent him:
Sorry to say, I'm going to NK you tonight unless you can somehow prove you're not a leader. I know you have a night action. Either you are the watcher, and can prove it by giving me Hesmyrr's code. Or you have a night action that you can hopefully prove some other way.
Otherwise you have to go. Can't have inactive people with night actions running around, surely you see that.
He was the most obvious person to be a leader still in the game. However, I do agree with him that the leaders were kind of fucked once people started playing for a neutral victory. I suppose there needed to be something in the rules about not deliberately playing against your faction.
Anyways, Darth, Brownbear and I had a great time trying to co-ordinate the town actions behind the scenes. Super fun. Good Game all.
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Radfield
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You are Zhuge Liang, aka Kongming! You are such a genius that you get to use a role from a random person every day! In addition, you are not revealed on death (i.e. nobody will know what country or role you were)
I had a sweet role
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On May 28 2010 07:43 ohN wrote:
Caller should post the night-actions and player roles.
I wanna see how many people visited L first night lol.
I don't actually think very many visited L
Tricode
Brownbear
that's all I know
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