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On May 20 2010 14:04 johnnyspazz wrote:i like this idea a lot except how do we go about picking the next person to give armies to? we might as well use RNG to decide since i dont really a good way to decide who gets the next hit.
It's true, there's still a certain element of luck involved, but I still think it's better odds than saying "Ok, Radfield gets the dayvote from now on." Even if we don't state it explicitly, a smart faction leader will pick up on it and recruit him, meaning we now have a 0% chance of giving the vote to a neutral. We just have to use those Mafia people-reading skillz, except instead of figuring out who the most likely scum are, we have to figure out who the most likely innocent people are 
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On May 21 2010 02:32 Falcynn wrote:
I actually think radfield's "Even if I'm a confirmed towny" was mostly just to tell everyone that whatever anyone thinks of his role now, his actions don't have any effect on his likelihood of being recruited. Not to actually exclaim that he's a confirmed towny. He probably just threw that line in there since that would probably be the extreme of what anyone here would be thinking.
Very true, I am not sure whether or not Radfield will be recruited tonight or not... but we can't deny he was awesome on day 1, good show mate
I feel that it's wisest just to play it safe and pick somebody else to give our armies to. So long as we continue with the "everyone discusses who to daykill, then picks someone to carry it out" format, it won't be such a huge deal who it is (and we can feel safe about continuing this format for at least 1-2 more days). It's absolutely nothing against Radfield personally, and it's entirely possible that he could either get double-recruited or not recruited at all, and still end up neutral, however, its also entirely likely he gets recruited. To play it safe, I'm gonna say we do the same thing tomorrow - take a look at who looks inactive or scummy, then decide who's most likely town, give them all our armies, and have them daykill a group-chosen target.
So yeah. Nothing against you, Radfield, I <3 you I just thing, for the good of the neutrals, this way is safer.
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LU BU WILL HAVE NONE OF THIS NONSENSE.
But yeah. I wonder what Diao Chan's power was, because my Three Kingdoms knowledge is limited to Dynasty Warriors... :D
Also, Trezeguet23... no offense but I'd rather we give the power of voting to someone who's contributed a little bit more, not just a lurker. It's a good incentive to get people to contribute, plus, we should be giving the vote to people we can analyze so that we can be reasonably sure they're neutral and not a faction-aligned person hiding amongst the inactives.
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On May 21 2010 10:48 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2010 10:24 BrownBear wrote:
LU BU WILL HAVE NONE OF THIS NONSENSE.
But yeah. I wonder what Diao Chan's power was, because my Three Kingdoms knowledge is limited to Dynasty Warriors... :D
Also, Trezeguet23... no offense but I'd rather we give the power of voting to someone who's contributed a little bit more, not just a lurker. It's a good incentive to get people to contribute, plus, we should be giving the vote to people we can analyze so that we can be reasonably sure they're neutral and not a faction-aligned person hiding amongst the inactives. Dian Chan is a fictional character created by the author of ROTK. She is characterize as a double agent who turned Lu Bu against Dong Zhuo and also a female who brings bad luck to she mate (Lu Bu). She disappeared after Dong Zhuo was killed by Lu Bu. One other variation describes that it is Guan Yu who killed her under the crescent moon (關羽月下斬貂蟬)
Awesome, thanks!
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Our plan is not to give a random person the power to kill, our plan is to analyze the people posting and pick the one who will benefit us the most. Right now, that's looking like Tricode, for the reasons LunarDestiny mentioned - I have my own reservations about L, I'm pretty sure he's at least very suspicious, and I think it would be a good idea to test out Tricode's theory, unless a more obvious target presents itself.
I am high as holy hell right now, but tomorrow I will write up a good analysis post defending what I've said here, so please wait for that before attacking me.
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Aight, seeing as roleclaiming does not really put you at that much danger of getting bumped off in the night (heh heh), I'm going to go ahead and say why I think Tricode is telling the truth and L is a faction leader.
I am still a neutral - no faction affiliation as of yet. My current plan this game (until I get recruited, if that happens) is to aim for faction leaders and try to kill them all as fast as possible to get a neutral victory. I have nightkill powers.
...you can probably see where this is heading. I had my suspicions about L, because of the following:
Inactive for most of the day (although he says he always votes late...). After Tricode posts enough to clear himself off the "hey let's lynch the inactives" list, L questions BM's logic:
On May 20 2010 05:24 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2010 05:19 Bill Murray wrote:
tricode: pretty much cleared yourself off the lynch list right there. good job. You realized he made a big post to say "I've been inactive, but I'm also going to be inactive in the future" and you're taking that as a sign that he's active? ... ok.
Um... BM said he wasn't going to be lynched on Day 1. If you didn't notice, the Day 1 lynch was really just a "hey, so people who post and probably want to play are going to live, we're going to lynch the people who don't try to be active" sort of thing? It was honestly more or less pure luck we got Cao Cao day 1, Last Romantic just happened to be an inactive AND a faction leader. This sounds to me like you are worried you're still on the lynch list, and you want that list to be as long as possible so you have as big a chance of surviving as possible.
Pushes for killing LunarDestiny at the end of the day, which Radfield ignores (turns out very wisely).
So so far he hasn't been scummy, per se, but he also hasn't been exactly agreeing with the general hivemind consensus. Instead of going for daykilling completely inactive people, he's trying to push more towards daykilling lurkers and the like - as in, people who will contribute later to the game. That's more telling than anything - if a faction leader can make it to late game, when all the actives have long since started killing each other off, if it's just him, 1 or 2 actives, and a bunch of inactives, his chances of winning just skyrocketed.
After LastRomantic dies, he posts this gem, which actually gives me a ton of information:
On May 20 2010 11:56 Last Romantic wrote:
Huh? There was no 'playing' to do, I just got offed Oo; I don't see what I was supposed to do differently
edit: also, I thought I took two hits to kill? I'm quite confused.
So now I know that faction leaders have two night lives. As stated before, I have a night kill. I figure "Well, there isn't that much else to go on, so I might as well test this out."
I tried to night kill L last night. It did not go through.
So now, I know one of two things - either L is a faction leader, or L is another role that somehow happens to have 2 night lives. I think the second option is unlikely because with 4 faction leaders in the game, that's already 4 people with veteran powers, and having more would make it kind of insane, and make nightkills very underpowered. Thus, I'm going to say Tricode is actually telling the truth, and L is a faction leader and should be daykilled. So, I have thrown my armies behind Tricode, let's see how it works out.
(PS Tricode... please be telling the truth man )
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Ahh snap, I just read the shit about Lu Xun... was posted while I was writing that.
Well then.
So if Lu Xun wants to roleclaim, then I guess Tricode is full of shit? I'm a little confused. Is Opz Lu Xun?
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Ok, I think I understand now. Lu Xun is not Opz, but sent Opz this message? And then, he possibly visited L last night and nullified my hit, Abenson's semi-hit, and Tricode's investigation? But, this is only true if he posts roleclaiming Lu Xun and saying "yup, that's what I did."
Maybe? That message confuses the hell out of me.
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Lol what 6 people? I only count 3, possibly 4, unless I'm missing some people. I count Tricode, Abenson, and me, and possibly Lu Xun. who else visited?
So, I'm gonna say this is my official stance:
If Lu Xun wants to say "I protected L, lay offa him ya fuckers", then I will switch my vote off of Tricode and over to L, and I vote we lynch Tricode for lying like that. If it was a medic who protected L, that would only block my night hit - not Tricode's powercheck, which would mean L is lying, and thus is still probably a faction leader, so my vote remains unchanged.
If there are no roleclaims about that shit, then I'm gonna stay with what I know - I tried to kill L last night, it failed, it's most likely that it failed because of night armor, so he's most likely a faction leader.
Alternately L, if you want to roleclaim and explain why Tricode is full of shit, either in this thread or by PMing me, I'm totally willing to listen.
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On May 22 2010 03:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 03:13 BrownBear wrote:
Lol what 6 people? I only count 3, possibly 4, unless I'm missing some people. I count Tricode, Abenson, and me, and possibly Lu Xun. who else visited?
So, I'm gonna say this is my official stance:
If Lu Xun wants to say "I protected L, lay offa him ya fuckers", then I will switch my vote off of Tricode and over to L, and I vote we lynch Tricode for lying like that. If it was a medic who protected L, that would only block my night hit - not Tricode's powercheck, which would mean L is lying, and thus is still probably a faction leader, so my vote remains unchanged.
If there are no roleclaims about that shit, then I'm gonna stay with what I know - I tried to kill L last night, it failed, it's most likely that it failed because of night armor, so he's most likely a faction leader.
Alternately L, if you want to roleclaim and explain why Tricode is full of shit, either in this thread or by PMing me, I'm totally willing to listen. I'm perfectly fine mouth piecing for Lu Xun for the day. Too many other options viable for recruiting today so he should be fine tomorrow too. I don't like the idea of him publicly doing it myself...
That's cool with me, but I guess the only question is, how do we know we can trust YOU? 
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On May 22 2010 03:27 Hesmyrr wrote:
Okay I'm back, and I have also coordinated myself with an anonymous tracker. I am Lu Xun. I will posting my plan soon.
Alright, so who did you protect last night, then?
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On May 22 2010 03:44 Hesmyrr wrote:
I am Lu Xun. I can protect one person from night actions from every night. I asked Caller, and he said my protection overrides everything, including recruitment/NK/investigation etc. I said encryption codes to ~Opz~ day 1 so you can feel pretty confident in my roleclaim (I did leave out NK bit, but we traded names and I was afraid Lu Bu was serial killer. Tricode did fix himself to being an DT so I suppose it won't matter). I am obviously speaking up because I protected L last night, and thus know what Tricode is saying cannot be true. It is likely that he is Yellow Turban and is trying to waste today's kill. Either way it is clear to me neither of these two cannot be Yellow Turban leader.
This is why I propose an alternative plan; Tracker contacted me via PM and stated Radfield was visited by Xelin. He is kind of lurkish and kind of off everyone's radar, but I believe we have better chance of hitting faction leader by targetting Xelin instead of either Tricode or L. This is my plan: we pick one Townie other than me, L, or Tricode, and tell him to NK Xelin. At the upcoming night we can clarify this Tricode-L situation by having Abenson target Tricode- this will definiely prove he is YT. If Tricode does not die, then I'll accept he is genuine in his claim and I fucked up somewhere (lol Caller), and just lynch him day 3.
Hm. Ok then. So, this doesn't mean L's name is completely cleared, but it does mean that Tricode is lying. I don't particularly like liars all that much.
However, your idea to lynch XeliN has some merit. Tracker, I'm assuming, is a role where you follow someone and see who they visited. This is interesting... Right now, I'm still unconvinced that we should target XeliN, largely because I'm still pissed at Tricode for lying like that after I backed him up, but I'm unsure.
So, to take my biases out of the equation, I hereby nominate myself for being in charge of today's daykill. Here's how I will handle it: Everyone who decides to give me your armies, post in the thread that you have, and post who you want me to kill. Majority rules, whoever has the most votes at the end of the day will be my target if I win the dayvote. This way, I don't have to make complicated decisions, we choose someone the town picks, and you guys can decide whether we a) lynch Tricode for lying or b) lynch XeliN for visiting someone.
Oh, and Im not gonna kill myself, so if you really want me dead for some reason, give your armies to someone else
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On May 22 2010 04:29 Hesmyrr wrote:
Jesus Christ. Looks like everything is thrown into the confusion. Let me propose alternative plan that I hope will make everybody happy.
1. We nominate BrownBear to NK Xelin
NIGHT
2. Abenson hits Tricode
3. Veg, this should be BrownBear since you said you can NK, hit L. No one protects L.
How about this?
Sounds good, I think you meant nominate me to DAYKILL XeliN though
And yes, I plan to cast my nightkill towards L again. If he doesn't die, though, that means he has more than 1 nightlife, meaning he's a faction leader.
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Well, since everyone else has namedropped in the past several pages, I might as well namedrop myself:
I am Zhao Yun. I have the power of nightkill ^^
So with all the people who have roleclaimed, I think rather than looking at the people who have roleclaimed and analyzing to see if they're lying, it would be far more interesting to look at the people who HAVEN'T yet roleclaimed. They are:
1. Bill Murray
3. johnnyspazz
4. Radfield
5. Scamp
6. Ohn
7. Falcynn
8. Iaaan
9. L (states he has reasons for not doing so, since his role is a "poison pill")
10. BloodyCobbler
11. MyHeroNoob
15. TwotoneTerran
19. Trezequet23
20. Fishball (pretty sure the Qin Shi Huang roleclaim was a joke )
21. Lunardestiny
23. DarthThienAn
24. Jugan
This is a (mostly accurate) list of the people who are still alive and have yet to roleclaim. It's far more likely that at least 1 or 2 of the faction leaders are hiding in the majority of people who don't roleclaim, rather than trying to lie and make up both a name, a role for that name, and reasoning behind that role.
Honestly? I think at this point in the game, it would be a good idea to have everyone roleclaim, complete with their name. Then, we can focus on the people who either refuse to roleclaim, or make roleclaims that don't really make sense.
Also, L, I understand you don't want to roleclaim, but especially with XeliN having claimed a role, that's putting you kinda back in the spotlight. It would be great if you could explain somehow either why your role would be useless if everyone knew about it, or if you could just roleclaim. If I win the dayvote, I will be sure to follow the will of the town, but the will of the town might be falling against you if you continue to be coy with your role.
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On May 22 2010 07:13 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 07:05 Bill Murray wrote:
i don't see how my claiming will benefit the town. if enough veterans feel i need to, i will. The real question is if everyone claiming benefits the town.
Yeah, it was kind of just an idea I've had floating around in my head for a while... would have been a much better idea to do on day 1, honestly, but oh well.
I think the pros outweight the cons, honestly. As it stands, there are at most 6 or 7 people who are faction-ized (depending on how many YT started with), and there's still like 14 people who are "neutral" so if we're going for the neutral victory, we should do this now rather than later.
It means faction leaders have to figure out the name of a 3 kingdoms person of note, and hope there's no overlap. If there's overlap, suddenly we have 2 targets, so we lose 0-1 townies to get a faction leader. If people refuse to at least namedrop (possibly roleclaim too, although I'm pretty sure that's not as necessary), then we lynch them - either they're leaders, or they'd probably have been inactive/useless anyway.
If, for some reason, everyone namedrops and there's no overlap, and everyone's name checks out, we're honestly no worse off than we were before. We even might have more to go on, depending on if Caller made the roles make sense for the names or not.
If we want to do this, though, we have to do it today. The longer we wait, the more neutrals we're gonna lose.
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On May 22 2010 07:16 Falcynn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 06:16 XeliN wrote:
Ok cool, only wanted to address Falcynns idea that I was stalling for time in order to think up a role, that hopefully does so. Alright, I believe you in that case. Not going to change my vote though since I'm not really feeling to safe with L or tricode, but I hope BrownBear will see this and will know not to kill you.
Don't worry man, I'm taking note of that fact. If the "town" remains divided and doesn't give me a name, I'll either daykill L or, if he namedrops/roleclaims, go back to the "lets kill inactives" rule. Worked pretty well last time we did it
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And, if people missed it earlier, just to say it again, I am Zhao Yun.
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On May 22 2010 07:23 Falcynn wrote:
Also, if we mass role/name claim, would you guys prefer it if we claimed in the thread? Or in a PM to a specific person? The one benefit of PMing an individual is that the leaders can't see what names are being claimed and are in more danger of overlapping. The primary danger though is that there are no 100% confirmed townies, so we run the risk of a FL possibly being able to weasel themselves out if they end up getting picked as the person to claim to.
Hesmyrr was cited by BM as being nearly confirmed towny, and while I would agree, it's due mostly to Hesmyrr's behaviour rather than any hard evidence, which would still make me leery about picking her (is hesmyrr or korynne female? or are they both?)
If only we could, man. But sadly, as we don't know who's been recruited (and apparently, people might not even know IF they've been recruited), it's just better to post them in the thread. Worst-case scenario, if some people post waaaay after everyone else does, or posts a really really obscure name, then they'll be more suspicious, at least.
Like Radfield said, no downside, potential HUGE upside.
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Yeah, I think L is likely not leader. As we established earlier, Tricode was lying about that, which puts him at serious suspicion - I don't think he's a leader, since he nameclaimed already, but I think he is part of a faction. However, killing off faction members doesn't really do much - we really should be targeting the leaders.
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On May 22 2010 07:34 Radfield wrote:
Can someone please explain why Tricode would lie about L being a leader??
All we know is that Hesmyrr blocked all actions on L last night, and Tricode used his rolecheck action on L, then claimed in the thread that he knew L's role, and posted it specifically.
So either Hesmyrr is lying, or Tricode is lying. I personally think it is far more likely Tricode is lying, because I also tried to hit L last night (with a KP) and it got blocked, and according to L himself, he already had been hit once, and had it blocked by a medic, so either he had some other form of protection, or he somehow has magic powers.
Sorry if that's confusing, let me try to do this chronologically:
Unnamed Vig: hits L.
Unnamed Medic: protects L, negates that one hit.
Hesmyrr: uses his powers on L, prevents any actions from occuring
Me, Tricode, Abenson: All use night actions on L, they get blocked.
So... there's no way L could have been protected from that many night actions, unless Hesmyrr is telling the truth about his power, and that he used it on L. This would mean Tricode is the liar.
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