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On April 21 2010 14:53 Ace wrote:Also you need to vote now because only scum would want to wait to see if the wagon against Caller gets pushed before voting. Townies should make up their minds and realize it's either me or Caller situation. By NOT voting you well - appear scummy  .
If you're willing to stake your life on it... well then I suppose so...
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On April 21 2010 14:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 14:44 meeple wrote:Blanalysisnbtnbt5 - His very few posts in the thread have just to say he supports BM's assasin plan, and the plan to lynch an inactive. Moreover, the feel of his posts give me a hint of mafia with no idea how to act green. Still needs more posting and information to confirm. Voted for himself, then a fairly random vote on Falcynn... The self-vote gives me further suspicion that he's red and struggling with the role. Abenson - Lots of crap posting... saying alot and remaining active but not actually contributing very much at all - He might be implicated if Caller really does turn up red, by this post: On April 19 2010 07:05 Abenson wrote:
Hmm...
Caller is always interesting.
I propose we keep him for a bit.
He is a veteran, after all.
If he's not mafia he'll benefit us. And he prefaced this game by saying he's well known for being useless, which is somewhat of a cop-out so that he doesn't need to answer for what he says. And Elemenope I'm still waiting for your trademark few but lengthy posts... Hi meeple. You just confirmed yourself red. You have pointed the FoS at almost everyone, but hey, your trying to live. Thats not where the confirmation lies. If you had noticed oh say, days ago. Incognito replaced Elemenope as a player. You have spent most of this game not really contributing, and pointing your finger everywhere. Your initial play this game came as logical, and founded. Quickly it however turned for the worse. You dropped to one liners very quickly. Pointed the FoS at many players. You then make a random med list, where two of the people on said list are dead. (seems slightly odd that people in the spotlight would die. Also a few of the names on there make very little sense to be protected). You come back to jump on the kill caller wagon with the promise of more suspects to come. Those suspects include such small amounts of information its odd. With the amount of crapstorm posts we have, you could have easily narrowed down more than 2 people in an hour. Combine all this with the dead people who were suspicious of you. You have alooot to make up for. shape up.
Yearghh... I'm so tired of being picked apart... but I have been playing sloppily so I suppose I deserve it.
Alright..Time to go through my posts and do some retrospective:
Rage - He posted very carefully... something that I would expect from a smart mafia. My suspicion of him has greatly lessened of late.
TheLardyGooser -
So... we need some sort of consensus on how to vote (obviously)... I don't mind lynching an inactive, but I would prefer someone like Lardygooser or the like... At any rate I would enjoy feedback on why we should shouldn't do it.
And he was red...
Where are all the other people that I pointed the finger at? Please show me my posts because I can't see to find them.
The two listed in my latest post? I gave reasons for why I suspected them in the post. I never said that we should lynch them now... in fact if anything it was just a starting point for later analysis, and of course we couldn't learn anything from lynching them... that's why I voted to lynch Caller... He gives us valuable information. A FoS doesn't mean intent to lynch... I make it rather clear that the ideas are still being formulated.
My medic list wasn't random... and I defended it to Incog already... if anything the fact that I was right about two of the people on there should exonerate me somewhat. If you think I have the balls to kill off two of the people on my list then I appreciate it, but yeah I'm much too safe a player for that.
There are many more suspects of course but I focussed on ones that previously had perhaps been overlooked. I'm not just going to echo sentiments that other people have said.
The amount that you've grossly exaggerated my failings here are outstanding... Where are the "many" people that I accused? Why is my medic list random, when I explained pretty thoroughly how I went about making it? My slip-up with forgetting that elemenope was replaced by incog is understandable in a game with 38 people in it.
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On April 21 2010 15:21 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 15:20 meeple wrote:On April 21 2010 14:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 21 2010 14:44 meeple wrote:Blanalysisnbtnbt5 - His very few posts in the thread have just to say he supports BM's assasin plan, and the plan to lynch an inactive. Moreover, the feel of his posts give me a hint of mafia with no idea how to act green. Still needs more posting and information to confirm. Voted for himself, then a fairly random vote on Falcynn... The self-vote gives me further suspicion that he's red and struggling with the role. Abenson - Lots of crap posting... saying alot and remaining active but not actually contributing very much at all - He might be implicated if Caller really does turn up red, by this post: On April 19 2010 07:05 Abenson wrote:
Hmm...
Caller is always interesting.
I propose we keep him for a bit.
He is a veteran, after all.
If he's not mafia he'll benefit us. And he prefaced this game by saying he's well known for being useless, which is somewhat of a cop-out so that he doesn't need to answer for what he says. And Elemenope I'm still waiting for your trademark few but lengthy posts... Hi meeple. You just confirmed yourself red. You have pointed the FoS at almost everyone, but hey, your trying to live. Thats not where the confirmation lies. If you had noticed oh say, days ago. Incognito replaced Elemenope as a player. You have spent most of this game not really contributing, and pointing your finger everywhere. Your initial play this game came as logical, and founded. Quickly it however turned for the worse. You dropped to one liners very quickly. Pointed the FoS at many players. You then make a random med list, where two of the people on said list are dead. (seems slightly odd that people in the spotlight would die. Also a few of the names on there make very little sense to be protected). You come back to jump on the kill caller wagon with the promise of more suspects to come. Those suspects include such small amounts of information its odd. With the amount of crapstorm posts we have, you could have easily narrowed down more than 2 people in an hour. Combine all this with the dead people who were suspicious of you. You have alooot to make up for. shape up. Yearghh... I'm so tired of being picked apart... but I have been playing sloppily so I suppose I deserve it. Alright..Time to go through my posts and do some retrospective: Rage - He posted very carefully... something that I would expect from a smart mafia. My suspicion of him has greatly lessened of late. TheLardyGooser - So... we need some sort of consensus on how to vote (obviously)... I don't mind lynching an inactive, but I would prefer someone like Lardygooser or the like... At any rate I would enjoy feedback on why we should shouldn't do it. And he was red... Where are all the other people that I pointed the finger at? Please show me my posts because I can't see to find them. The two listed in my latest post? I gave reasons for why I suspected them in the post. I never said that we should lynch them now... in fact if anything it was just a starting point for later analysis, and of course we couldn't learn anything from lynching them... that's why I voted to lynch Caller... He gives us valuable information. A FoS doesn't mean intent to lynch... I make it rather clear that the ideas are still being formulated. My medic list wasn't random... and I defended it to Incog already... if anything the fact that I was right about two of the people on there should exonerate me somewhat. If you think I have the balls to kill off two of the people on my list then I appreciate it, but yeah I'm much too safe a player for that. There are many more suspects of course but I focussed on ones that previously had perhaps been overlooked. I'm not just going to echo sentiments that other people have said. The amount that you've grossly exaggerated my failings here are outstanding... Where are the "many" people that I accused? Why is my medic list random, when I explained pretty thoroughly how I went about making it? My slip-up with forgetting that elemenope was replaced by incog is understandable in a game with 38 people in it. clearly mafia here. Why are we even doubting this?
I play safe, therefore I'm mafia... cmon Caller you can do better than that. What's stopping me from being a safe townie?
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On April 21 2010 15:28 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 15:25 meeple wrote:On April 21 2010 15:21 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 15:20 meeple wrote:On April 21 2010 14:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 21 2010 14:44 meeple wrote:Blanalysisnbtnbt5 - His very few posts in the thread have just to say he supports BM's assasin plan, and the plan to lynch an inactive. Moreover, the feel of his posts give me a hint of mafia with no idea how to act green. Still needs more posting and information to confirm. Voted for himself, then a fairly random vote on Falcynn... The self-vote gives me further suspicion that he's red and struggling with the role. Abenson - Lots of crap posting... saying alot and remaining active but not actually contributing very much at all - He might be implicated if Caller really does turn up red, by this post: On April 19 2010 07:05 Abenson wrote:
Hmm...
Caller is always interesting.
I propose we keep him for a bit.
He is a veteran, after all.
If he's not mafia he'll benefit us. And he prefaced this game by saying he's well known for being useless, which is somewhat of a cop-out so that he doesn't need to answer for what he says. And Elemenope I'm still waiting for your trademark few but lengthy posts... Hi meeple. You just confirmed yourself red. You have pointed the FoS at almost everyone, but hey, your trying to live. Thats not where the confirmation lies. If you had noticed oh say, days ago. Incognito replaced Elemenope as a player. You have spent most of this game not really contributing, and pointing your finger everywhere. Your initial play this game came as logical, and founded. Quickly it however turned for the worse. You dropped to one liners very quickly. Pointed the FoS at many players. You then make a random med list, where two of the people on said list are dead. (seems slightly odd that people in the spotlight would die. Also a few of the names on there make very little sense to be protected). You come back to jump on the kill caller wagon with the promise of more suspects to come. Those suspects include such small amounts of information its odd. With the amount of crapstorm posts we have, you could have easily narrowed down more than 2 people in an hour. Combine all this with the dead people who were suspicious of you. You have alooot to make up for. shape up. Yearghh... I'm so tired of being picked apart... but I have been playing sloppily so I suppose I deserve it. Alright..Time to go through my posts and do some retrospective: Rage - He posted very carefully... something that I would expect from a smart mafia. My suspicion of him has greatly lessened of late. TheLardyGooser - So... we need some sort of consensus on how to vote (obviously)... I don't mind lynching an inactive, but I would prefer someone like Lardygooser or the like... At any rate I would enjoy feedback on why we should shouldn't do it. And he was red... Where are all the other people that I pointed the finger at? Please show me my posts because I can't see to find them. The two listed in my latest post? I gave reasons for why I suspected them in the post. I never said that we should lynch them now... in fact if anything it was just a starting point for later analysis, and of course we couldn't learn anything from lynching them... that's why I voted to lynch Caller... He gives us valuable information. A FoS doesn't mean intent to lynch... I make it rather clear that the ideas are still being formulated. My medic list wasn't random... and I defended it to Incog already... if anything the fact that I was right about two of the people on there should exonerate me somewhat. If you think I have the balls to kill off two of the people on my list then I appreciate it, but yeah I'm much too safe a player for that. There are many more suspects of course but I focussed on ones that previously had perhaps been overlooked. I'm not just going to echo sentiments that other people have said. The amount that you've grossly exaggerated my failings here are outstanding... Where are the "many" people that I accused? Why is my medic list random, when I explained pretty thoroughly how I went about making it? My slip-up with forgetting that elemenope was replaced by incog is understandable in a game with 38 people in it. clearly mafia here. Why are we even doubting this? I play safe, therefore I'm mafia... cmon Caller you can do better than that. What's stopping me from being a safe townie? Good sir, you're not only suspicious but you justify your lack of taking risky actions as making you a good player. That's an outright load of horseL. If you're really a townie that you claim you are just now, then you should be doing a lot more than making a Lload of mistakes or by defending yourself with whatever bullL you come up with. Again: LYNCH ITW, MEEPLE, MOTBOB, HIT BC TONIGHTNow if you excuse me I have to take a L.
Alright... so now you're just making things up. Where did I say that I was a good player? I can't seem to find it. If you could kindly point it out to me. I said I was a safe player, as in not taking tons of risks like some of the hotshots around here. I've admitted I've been sloppy but more so simply because I didn't think that all my posts would be scrutinized to such an extent.
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On April 22 2010 15:07 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2010 10:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
And by the way... exactly HALF of the people on the list I just posted voted to lynch jpak, here they are...
BloodyC0bbler
Fishball
KF91
Abenson
RebirthOfLeGend
BrownBear (aka zona before)
madnessman
Hey. Not entirely fair implicating me for something the dude before me did.
Well... you have the same role, so his acting can still give hints into what you are. However it kinda sucks for you because you can't really defend his actions.
Ace still requires a little proving but Caller turning up Miller definitely gives his roleclaim a boost and for now at least I'm willing to believe he's a detective.
Am I missing something? We're voting for a double lynch with basically no solid prospects... and there's been very little discussion about this yet somehow we've passed a double lynch vote.
Well... now that we know we have two lynch targets tommorow... Some people have suggested BC (tree.hugger), but I'm not convinced... His posting hasn't been that scummy and although voting for motbob instead of jumping on the Caller bandwagon might be a tell that he wants to avoid being associated with what he thought was a green death... imo its not enough to lynch on.
@d3... for some reason you seem to be attacking me with little/no reason. I've refuted Callers and Incog's accusations of me so if you have nothing else to add why do you keep bringing up my name?
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On April 23 2010 12:58 IntoTheWow wrote:
So, besides lynching BC, is there any other plan?
I see lots of people saying Vigis should hit, but who? I would look into some of the silent guys :/ The ones posting, we can read, but we can't anything with people who barely post.
I know this was brought up on like day 1, but back then people said that silent players would die later on easily, but I don't see how.
It would suck to kill our townies if the mafia happens to be hiding beside inactives.
Have to do some reading on the previous pages, but I wanted to post since I'm going to be away all day tomorrow due to university.
I don't think there's another plan in the works as of now... but yet I'm not sure if everyone is even on board with this one.
Tonight we have at most 2 vigilantes, and probably just one. These people should use their kills to extract as much information as possible. Seeing as we have a double lynch tommorow, we need to have targets, otherwise it just goes to waste. Hopefully the vigi's are people who are currently active in the thread and willing to research a target, instead of someone who's really inactive
Ace's plan to hit BC tonight and use that information for tommorow's lynch's is good, but it's always good to form your own opinions and not take someone else's and following it blindly. Do your homework and look into his posting history and see if it matches up with your own ideas. Also, consider how much information you get from the kill. You might be like 90% certain someone is red, but if their death doesn't help us spend the double lynch tommorow we might end up killing off townies, even if you do your justice and nab a red.
Mafia can be hiding in the inactives... and it's always a threat, but the problem is even if we get one it doesn't help lead us to their compatriots and win the game. Eventually their voting history and short posts of encouragement/discouragement will lead to them being found out once we have a bit more red blood to sift through.
Medics... your job is alot tougher, since you're kinda playing a feint game with the mafia. I would encourage Ace's protection, since he seems to be a detective and those skills are invaluable later on. On the other hand, the mafia seeing this will be less likely to actually hit Ace and your save will be wasted. But if you don't protect Ace and you go for someone else... then if the mafia call your bluff and hit Ace well its a big loss(assuming blue-ness). If the red had less KP I would say faking the reds out is more viable, since they would be less likely to waste a hit on someone who's probably protected. Given that they have 4 KP, it's not such a big loss to them if the hit is blocked, whereas getting rid of a town detective would be a big payoff... so perhaps worth the risk.
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On April 23 2010 14:04 IntoTheWow wrote:
Also, why did we stop talking about RaGe. If you re-read some posts from him (basically around page 43-45) he tries to look like a victim with the role-check set on him. He also inactive at times...
Eh... well first I don't see how he plays the victim. I looked through his posts on those pages and didn't see that much scum in it. Can you elaborate?
Inactive at times is not really a good mafia tell... there are plenty of real life stuff that gets in the way of a forum mafia game.
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On April 23 2010 14:35 Falcynn wrote:
True, but I figured posting more useless comments wouldn't help my cause either considering I'm horrible at coming up with my own analysis' and most of my comments would just involve me agreeing with other people. At least that was my thinking at the time.
Eh... your thought on a subject matter is always something to consider, knowing how you're making decisions if you're town is invaluable for our success, regardless of how useless you think it is.
On April 23 2010 14:33 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2010 14:31 Falcynn wrote:On April 23 2010 14:12 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Incognito, I'm rather insulted that you put me on the inactive list. I've been trying to take a more active role in the town in the past few pages, if you would take the time to look. Also, your inactive list is incomplete. For example, I haven't seen falcynn post in days, but he's been voting. I'm still following the thread fairly closely, just haven't had anything that I felt I should say. Earlier in the thread someone accused me of being a useless chatterbox, and looking at my posts here I'd say that's pretty accurate, so I just wanted to make sure I had a handle over everything before I start making more random posts/jumping on bandwagons. Probably once night is over I'll try to make/post some of my assumptions based on whether or not BC/RoL die before the next day. If you're accused of being a useless chatterbox and then just disappear, it looks more suspicious. Congradulations, it seems as if you've been active lurking! Someone plz kill.
Continually calling for more deaths is lame...
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On April 23 2010 14:51 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2010 14:40 meeple wrote:On April 23 2010 14:35 Falcynn wrote:
True, but I figured posting more useless comments wouldn't help my cause either considering I'm horrible at coming up with my own analysis' and most of my comments would just involve me agreeing with other people. At least that was my thinking at the time. Eh... your thought on a subject matter is always something to consider, knowing how you're making decisions if you're town is invaluable for our success, regardless of how useless you think it is. On April 23 2010 14:33 Incognito wrote:On April 23 2010 14:31 Falcynn wrote:On April 23 2010 14:12 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Incognito, I'm rather insulted that you put me on the inactive list. I've been trying to take a more active role in the town in the past few pages, if you would take the time to look. Also, your inactive list is incomplete. For example, I haven't seen falcynn post in days, but he's been voting. I'm still following the thread fairly closely, just haven't had anything that I felt I should say. Earlier in the thread someone accused me of being a useless chatterbox, and looking at my posts here I'd say that's pretty accurate, so I just wanted to make sure I had a handle over everything before I start making more random posts/jumping on bandwagons. Probably once night is over I'll try to make/post some of my assumptions based on whether or not BC/RoL die before the next day. If you're accused of being a useless chatterbox and then just disappear, it looks more suspicious. Congradulations, it seems as if you've been active lurking! Someone plz kill. Continually calling for more deaths is lame... Of course. We should sit here and wait for the mafia to kill us. Either way, you haven't been all to useful. Of course, you did give us your analysis, as promised. But its a half hearted attempt at best. nbtnbt5. Fine. Makes sense. Assassins you can kill him too. Abenson. You say he has a lot of posting. Orly? Look at past games, he's posted a ton. It was useless too. This is not very insightful analysis. You admit that he also says he is useless. Not very much of an analysis, huh? Also, you post some Rage analysis. Only after you come under more attacks. And you say your suspicion has greatly lessened. Ok, how exactly does that help us? It really doesn't. You also say, "The two listed in my latest post? I gave reasons for why I suspected them in the post. I never said that we should lynch them now". Ok, so you also admit your analysis is half-hearted and not good enough for a lynch. Can you please make it less obvious that you're trying to just get away with the bare minimum? You make me really want to lynch you.
Where is my Rage analysis? I don't recall looking at him too deeply.
Am I destined to continually be picked apart like a loaf of bread in a duck pond? Step back and look at the situation neutrally for a moment. I don't admit that the analysis was half-hearted... I said that it wasn't conclusive, as with any analysis. nbtnbt5 has too little posting for me to be totally comfortable with his lynch, but I do suspect him... Am I not allowed to post analysis that doesn't end with "lynch this guy!!!"
The Abenson issue is non-existent... he was mod-killed and was green. My analysis on his play was wrong. Sry.
Do you take issue with my instructions to medic/vigi's? I'm doing far above the average here, so I don't know where this bare minimum is but its pretty relative.
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On April 23 2010 15:10 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2010 15:01 Incognito wrote:On April 23 2010 14:53 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
Honestly when I signed up for this I didnt expect it to be so indepth and so much work. Also it seems when ever I post I make an idiot out of myself and further prove myself to be mafia. Since I am town and want to not get voted out so my team can win I have just sat back and not posted, except to defend myself so I hopefully don't get voted out by my teammates. Oh hello there. Let me just quote myself (and L by proxy?): On March 17 2010 13:07 Incognito wrote:
Like L said previously in response to ~OpZ~'s long defense posts, defending yourself doesn't do that much good unless you have a solid case. Sadly, you don't. So instead of trying to defend yourself, start generating some content. To late for generating content. If you have already convinced yourselves that I am mafia then no amount of content will change that. No matter what I say it will be overanalyzed and used as "evidence" as to why I am mafia. I will save you a vote and go inactive next day cycle, and get modkilled.
Now you're just playing the victim card... don't get modkilled just because some guys are accusing you. If you're really town it won't do shit all but hurt us and you should be fighting for the town's best interests. Just because some people think you're mafia doesn't mean everyone does and it doesn't mean you'll be lynched. It's far too easy to think everyone's against you when some loud and sqauwky guys are harping on you. Buck up man and make a case for yourself. Participate in the town discussion on issues and point out faults and strengths where you see fit.
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On April 23 2010 15:22 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2010 15:08 meeple wrote:On April 23 2010 14:51 Incognito wrote:On April 23 2010 14:40 meeple wrote:On April 23 2010 14:35 Falcynn wrote:
True, but I figured posting more useless comments wouldn't help my cause either considering I'm horrible at coming up with my own analysis' and most of my comments would just involve me agreeing with other people. At least that was my thinking at the time. Eh... your thought on a subject matter is always something to consider, knowing how you're making decisions if you're town is invaluable for our success, regardless of how useless you think it is. On April 23 2010 14:33 Incognito wrote:On April 23 2010 14:31 Falcynn wrote:On April 23 2010 14:12 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Incognito, I'm rather insulted that you put me on the inactive list. I've been trying to take a more active role in the town in the past few pages, if you would take the time to look. Also, your inactive list is incomplete. For example, I haven't seen falcynn post in days, but he's been voting. I'm still following the thread fairly closely, just haven't had anything that I felt I should say. Earlier in the thread someone accused me of being a useless chatterbox, and looking at my posts here I'd say that's pretty accurate, so I just wanted to make sure I had a handle over everything before I start making more random posts/jumping on bandwagons. Probably once night is over I'll try to make/post some of my assumptions based on whether or not BC/RoL die before the next day. If you're accused of being a useless chatterbox and then just disappear, it looks more suspicious. Congradulations, it seems as if you've been active lurking! Someone plz kill. Continually calling for more deaths is lame... Of course. We should sit here and wait for the mafia to kill us. Either way, you haven't been all to useful. Of course, you did give us your analysis, as promised. But its a half hearted attempt at best. nbtnbt5. Fine. Makes sense. Assassins you can kill him too. Abenson. You say he has a lot of posting. Orly? Look at past games, he's posted a ton. It was useless too. This is not very insightful analysis. You admit that he also says he is useless. Not very much of an analysis, huh? Also, you post some Rage analysis. Only after you come under more attacks. And you say your suspicion has greatly lessened. Ok, how exactly does that help us? It really doesn't. You also say, "The two listed in my latest post? I gave reasons for why I suspected them in the post. I never said that we should lynch them now". Ok, so you also admit your analysis is half-hearted and not good enough for a lynch. Can you please make it less obvious that you're trying to just get away with the bare minimum? You make me really want to lynch you. Where is my Rage analysis? I don't recall looking at him too deeply. Am I destined to continually be picked apart like a loaf of bread in a duck pond? Step back and look at the situation neutrally for a moment. I don't admit that the analysis was half-hearted... I said that it wasn't conclusive, as with any analysis. nbtnbt5 has too little posting for me to be totally comfortable with his lynch, but I do suspect him... Am I not allowed to post analysis that doesn't end with "lynch this guy!!!" The Abenson issue is non-existent... he was mod-killed and was green. My analysis on his play was wrong. Sry. Do you take issue with my instructions to medic/vigi's? I'm doing far above the average here, so I don't know where this bare minimum is but its pretty relative. Oh wait nvm. You didn't analyze Rage. You just said you didn't suspect him as much anymore (why?).
For a couple reasons, but I didn't see faults in the way he defended himself... and although I'm still keeping my eye on him, other than his careful posting I didn't see any major scumminess. Also, I've lost some faith in Caller's abilities to pick someone red after the absurd way he attacked me.
"I will make an effort to poke the bear and get some information." - Ok. Maybe I'm being a little too harsh. But from someone who posts so much, I expected more from you.
I don't post that much anymore... I've quieted down tons lately, and you can see that by my low activity everywhere on the site.
Besides your one post with 2 pieces of analysis, your posting is relatively useless. I get the nbtnbt5 analysis. How long did that take? If you find nothing conclusive, you don't go try to find some other information that is? Yes, Abenson may be dead now, but it doesn't change the fact that your analysis was not very insightful.
Non-insightful posting is rampant... its really hard to distill truths from someone's posts where emotions aren't really conveyed that much. Still, I'm not copping out there and I'll admit that it wasn't so useful.
Where did you post vig instructions?
[QUOTE]On April 23 2010 13:21 meeple wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 23 2010 12:58 IntoTheWow wrote:
So, besides lynching BC, is there any other plan?
I see lots of people saying Vigis should hit, but who? I would look into some of the silent guys :/ The ones posting, we can read, but we can't anything with people who barely post.
I know this was brought up on like day 1, but back then people said that silent players would die later on easily, but I don't see how.
It would suck to kill our townies if the mafia happens to be hiding beside inactives.
Have to do some reading on the previous pages, but I wanted to post since I'm going to be away all day tomorrow due to university.[/QUOTE]
I don't think there's another plan in the works as of now... but yet I'm not sure if everyone is even on board with this one.
Tonight we have at most 2 vigilantes, and probably just one. These people should use their kills to extract as much information as possible. Seeing as we have a double lynch tommorow, we need to have targets, otherwise it just goes to waste. Hopefully the vigi's are people who are currently active in the thread and willing to research a target, instead of someone who's really inactive
Ace's plan to hit BC tonight and use that information for tommorow's lynch's is good, but it's always good to form your own opinions and not take someone else's and following it blindly. Do your homework and look into his posting history and see if it matches up with your own ideas. Also, consider how much information you get from the kill. You might be like 90% certain someone is red, but if their death doesn't help us spend the double lynch tommorow we might end up killing off townies, even if you do your justice and nab a red.
Mafia can be hiding in the inactives... and it's always a threat, but the problem is even if we get one it doesn't help lead us to their compatriots and win the game. Eventually their voting history and short posts of encouragement/discouragement will lead to them being found out once we have a bit more red blood to sift through.
Medics... your job is alot tougher, since you're kinda playing a feint game with the mafia. I would encourage Ace's protection, since he seems to be a detective and those skills are invaluable later on. On the other hand, the mafia seeing this will be less likely to actually hit Ace and your save will be wasted. But if you don't protect Ace and you go for someone else... then if the mafia call your bluff and hit Ace well its a big loss(assuming blue-ness). If the red had less KP I would say faking the reds out is more viable, since they would be less likely to waste a hit on someone who's probably protected. Given that they have 4 KP, it's not such a big loss to them if the hit is blocked, whereas getting rid of a town detective would be a big payoff... so perhaps worth the risk.
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On April 23 2010 15:52 Incognito wrote:Oh I didn't see that. Well you could have pointed to that earlier! Show nested quote +On April 23 2010 13:21 meeple wrote:On April 23 2010 12:58 IntoTheWow wrote:
So, besides lynching BC, is there any other plan?
I see lots of people saying Vigis should hit, but who? I would look into some of the silent guys :/ The ones posting, we can read, but we can't anything with people who barely post.
I know this was brought up on like day 1, but back then people said that silent players would die later on easily, but I don't see how.
It would suck to kill our townies if the mafia happens to be hiding beside inactives.
Have to do some reading on the previous pages, but I wanted to post since I'm going to be away all day tomorrow due to university. I don't think there's another plan in the works as of now... but yet I'm not sure if everyone is even on board with this one. Tonight we have at most 2 vigilantes, and probably just one. These people should use their kills to extract as much information as possible. Seeing as we have a double lynch tommorow, we need to have targets, otherwise it just goes to waste. Hopefully the vigi's are people who are currently active in the thread and willing to research a target, instead of someone who's really inactive Ace's plan to hit BC tonight and use that information for tommorow's lynch's is good, but it's always good to form your own opinions and not take someone else's and following it blindly. Do your homework and look into his posting history and see if it matches up with your own ideas. Also, consider how much information you get from the kill. You might be like 90% certain someone is red, but if their death doesn't help us spend the double lynch tommorow we might end up killing off townies, even if you do your justice and nab a red. Mafia can be hiding in the inactives... and it's always a threat, but the problem is even if we get one it doesn't help lead us to their compatriots and win the game. Eventually their voting history and short posts of encouragement/discouragement will lead to them being found out once we have a bit more red blood to sift through. Medics... your job is alot tougher, since you're kinda playing a feint game with the mafia. I would encourage Ace's protection, since he seems to be a detective and those skills are invaluable later on. On the other hand, the mafia seeing this will be less likely to actually hit Ace and your save will be wasted. But if you don't protect Ace and you go for someone else... then if the mafia call your bluff and hit Ace well its a big loss(assuming blue-ness). If the red had less KP I would say faking the reds out is more viable, since they would be less likely to waste a hit on someone who's probably protected. Given that they have 4 KP, it's not such a big loss to them if the hit is blocked, whereas getting rid of a town detective would be a big payoff... so perhaps worth the risk. We have at most one vigilante, maybe none. This person should use his kill to kill BC. Which will be able to tell us something about RoL, giving us information to use for our double lynch. Why shouldn't you randomly kill someone based on your own research? We already have narrowed down a pool, BC and RoL. Unless you want to waste both lynches on these two characters, one of these people must die now. If you were to do your own research on who to kill, you have all the information from the past 2 days. Then, during our Double lynch, we are forced to kill BC/RoL to get us our 1 mafia. On the other hand, if you kill BC right now, we know whether or not to trust RoL, giving us the flexibility of not killing RoL in the event that BC is mafia or miller. Furthermore, our second lynch will be more accurate since we have the information from the past 2 days PLUS all the information from the night's killings. By making the no-brainer kill now, we can wait until we receive more information for the more accurate lynch. Medics. Don't follow one person to protect. Follow two. Flip a coin between protecting Ace and me (unless anyone else has a better suggestion on another useful person). That way, the mafia can't really be sure that they can successfully kill either Ace or me. This makes them scared to hit either of us, effectively doubling your protection powers (unless the mafia is really ballsy). So sorry, meeple, I retract my statement that you're being useless. This post was actually useful. I disagree with some parts of it, but it shows effort. Bravo.
Ace and Incog imo are ok people to protect for now... although flipping a coin won't really avoid the potential for double protecting whatever it randomizes it.
I agree about the BC vigi kill... but I want to encourage people, especially those in powerful roles like medics/vigi's to be questioning things in the thread and not following so blindly. If you've made a solid logical case for BC's death (which you have) then there's no reason for a vigi to not follow it.
Now, if it turns out the RoL really is trustable... then it kinda thins out the protection again... but then again if we have two medics, we should be able to cover 3 people pretty nicely and in this case we should use the randomization method suggested by incog to remove personal bias and increase overall protection of the three.
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On April 23 2010 16:05 Korynne wrote:
So uh, RoL's list:
Ace
RoL
Korynne
Scamp
Incognito's list:
Incognito
Ace
So Ace, and who will be the second person that a medic should coin flip?
Well both are being selfish and putting themselves on there... but Incog's willingness to somewhat listen to reason and RoL's unproven nature makes me think that Incog is a better candidate. The others, Scamp and you... unless someone can show me otherwise haven't done so much as to warrant themselves critical to town survival.
Alternatively, we can weaken the protection and extend it to three people. With the same randomization that incog suggests.
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On April 23 2010 16:16 Korynne wrote:
I am not advocating my own protection, this is my first game so I don't have all that much confidence in my deductions until I see the results of the game.
Can we all discuss and settle on a 3rd candidate for medic protection?
Well... should we be protecting RoL until he proves himself? Besides, I dunno if we should be spreading protection thin until we need to. But if we were going to pick a third, is there another option other than RoL? I mean... nobody pops into my mind...
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On April 23 2010 16:39 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
I actually would say yes, protect RoL, because the mafia know whether or not he's a detective. Here's my proposed plan:
Vig, kill BC.
--If BC flips mafia: yay, we got a mafia kill, and we know that RoL is either a trustworthy detective or an assassin. Now we can choose 2 targets for the double lynch and hopefully bag at least 1 more mafioso.
--If BC flips town: we lynch RoL for a mafia kill and hopefully get another through the double lynch
Medics, protect RoL and Ace. Why the hell should Incognito be protected? Sure, he comes off as pro town and I trust him more than most people right now, but he could easily be mafia trying to shepard the town into trusting him. Further, he has not claimed any kind of blue role, so while he brings forth good analysis we are better off protecting our (most likely) detective Ace and (potential) detective RoL.
You're not worried about wasting precious medic protection on an unproven detective, who might be an assasin?
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On April 23 2010 16:53 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2010 16:49 meeple wrote:On April 23 2010 16:39 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
I actually would say yes, protect RoL, because the mafia know whether or not he's a detective. Here's my proposed plan:
Vig, kill BC.
--If BC flips mafia: yay, we got a mafia kill, and we know that RoL is either a trustworthy detective or an assassin. Now we can choose 2 targets for the double lynch and hopefully bag at least 1 more mafioso.
--If BC flips town: we lynch RoL for a mafia kill and hopefully get another through the double lynch
Medics, protect RoL and Ace. Why the hell should Incognito be protected? Sure, he comes off as pro town and I trust him more than most people right now, but he could easily be mafia trying to shepard the town into trusting him. Further, he has not claimed any kind of blue role, so while he brings forth good analysis we are better off protecting our (most likely) detective Ace and (potential) detective RoL.
You're not worried about wasting precious medic protection on an unproven detective, who might be an assasin? Read what I wrote more carefully. The point is, he could be a detective, and the mafia will surely try to kill him tonight if he is, and plus we can lynch him tomorrow if it turned out he was BSing on the rolecheck since BC will die tonight. There is much more reason to protect him than incognito.
I fully understand that he could be a detective... I was looking at how likely you thought he was. However, its also possible we protect three people... or you think that spreads it too thin?
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On April 23 2010 20:23 RaGe wrote:
Where the hell did JadeFist disappear to?
He never really appeared... When you search his name in the thread there are like 30 instances of pointing out how inactive he is... and 2 of his own posts.
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On April 23 2010 21:11 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:I have a theory about JadeFist. Here's his only non-signup post: Show nested quote +
Voted Caller.
Last time I played decafchicken, a long time forum veteran, was the Godfather. I feel like the choice for mafia members is not entirely random and I wouldn't be surprised if a forum "celebrity" such as Caller was mafia.
He whined that the roles are rigged by the host. This makes it look to me as if he wanted an "important" role, but got townie and is not interested in the game. He could be mafia and hoping to make us think just that, but I think for now we have bigger fish to fry.
Eh... not really enough to make any conclusions from that though... He has voted so he is around... I wonder why he hasn't replied to any of the prods from people here.
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mmm I wonder if modkills are taken into account when you balance this game... I dunno if we're doing especially poorly... but 15 to 7 after tonight is pretty tight when they have 4 KP.
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I'm not sure we can safely say there's no vigilantes... just that they didn't follow the town's wishes. I still have hope.
At this point I can't see a reason to not follow Ace's rolecheck, although it's hard to beleive he hit red two nights in a row. I suppose we should trust RoL's RC of BC... he certainly couldn't plan on his compatriots being offed by the mafia and winning so he probably was looking to win over the town and try to gain their protection.
So yeah I agree with the BC, Infund lynch for today I suppose.
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