TL Mafia XXII - Page 12

On April 18 2010 02:09 Abenson wrote:


Que madness means:
"I am scum" in hebrew

##vote: Osmoses

On April 18 2010 02:20 Osmoses wrote:

Firebat > Zergling. Owned.

On April 14 2010 05:13 Bill Murray wrote:
everyone is an assassin

here's what we're going to do:

The first half of the list is required to assassinate the 2nd half of the list. The list will be inverted the next day so everyone will get their turn to kill someone if they are an assassin. They won't want to be using their kills up every single night anyways, as they can use a Detective Check on the alternate night. I will be cutting the game list into a 1/2 order. 1s are killers, 2s are killees. It will switch the next night. If you are a killer or a killee, don't complain. In all likelihood you won't have to kill or be killed, as we are not sure how many assassins there are. If the mafia kill a killee in the night, we skip a lynch to balance it (hypothetically), but if they kill a killer then we will lynch the killee of the person that they killed the killer of. I hope this is making sense to you. If anyone has any questions about the Bill Murray plan of town success let me know. This plan will help the town as it will be putting mafia players in vulnerable "killee" positions in which they would potentially lynch the "killer". We use the assassins to win as a town. They COUNT as town people, so assassins will want the town to win. It will also be giving them chances to win the game for theirselves through killing other assassins and finding assassins that they can kill at any time during the night that we aren't asking them to kill for us. If they find an assassin, they can breadcrumb a message to us previously or something to let us know BEFORE they do the action that they will be killing an alternate person (this will guarantee that they stay town as we let them go towards their goal while we go towards our goal together). I don't want assassins to claim at first, but it will become obvious after the first 2 cycles on who they are anyways, so we can be a lot more organized after the first couple day/night cycles.



You yourself are around the thread enough, while not even playing in it, to actually play more competently than most of the people who play. Furthermore, in the small amount of what you devote, due to the time it takes you being disproportionate in relation to the time required of others to build cases taking into acount the discrepancy in skill level, you really should play.
you could still be among the best players even when devoting less time.



I hope the latter.



african or european?



i promise consolidation if you let me edit

On April 18 2010 04:13 Bill Murray wrote:
well, the best strategy going forward has been detailed by me already

On April 18 2010 04:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

Blue roles

Detectives. Read flamewheels last game. That is how you should be operating this game. Take a list of players from the get go, all down. As one person dies, mark down their role, if they were town/mafia, and a tally of how many from each side are left. This is a numbers game.
If you find a red player, (hopefully not day 1) mark it down. Hopefully you have been given the right to PM this game. Otherwise you have a very tough job. Do you give yourself up, or do you post your findings. This is something you will have to decide on. Each player has their own idea of whats an acceptable risk. Act accordingly. Hopefully your allowed to PM, otherwise you can risk on other dt's picking up your work.

Medics
Protect the obvious townies. WITH ONE MAJOR EXCEPTION. No medic in this game period protect these three people:
Ace
Caller
BloodyC0bbler.

Let us live or die based on actions. Our deaths will take a bit of experience out of the town, but if we are red and survive, we will be caught very very quickly and offed by town from it.

On April 18 2010 05:02 meeple wrote:


Why would you advocate against the protection of those experienced players? I mean... I agree that they should live/die by their actions... but if they're red doesn't it pose a greater threat to the town. You say that they will be caught very quickly... but doesn't the experience give you an edge in avoiding the gallows?

Also... Abenson please stop spamming... it's annoying as fuck

On April 18 2010 05:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Simple. We are trying to raise the skill level of every one of the players so we have an insanely skill community. Protecting people like ace, myself or caller, leads to town more inclined to follow us around. Would everyone? No, but would a fair number of casuals, most likely. Besides, with 1-2 game days, our deaths would give a ton of info usually

On April 18 2010 05:09 meeple wrote:


Hmmm... so when you say that you guys will be caught quickly... it's because you're egging to town on to scrutinize your posts?

On April 18 2010 04:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Why? because we are the "three big names" and as such should take more of a backseat in this game.

On April 18 2010 04:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Detectives. Read flamewheels last game. That is how you should be operating this game. Take a list of players from the get go, all down. As one person dies, mark down their role, if they were town/mafia, and a tally of how many from each side are left. This is a numbers game.
If you find a red player, (hopefully not day 1) mark it down. Hopefully you have been given the right to PM this game.

On April 18 2010 04:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Medics
Protect the obvious townies. WITH ONE MAJOR EXCEPTION. No medic in this game period protect these three people:
Ace
Caller
BloodyC0bbler.

On April 18 2010 04:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Hatters
Bomb efficiently please. For the love of god, please. Your job is very similar to the DT's except you can't confirm your choices. I recommend going on instincts if that works for you. Analysis is very key for you.

On April 18 2010 05:16 Zona wrote:

Wait, what? You claim to be one of the "big names" and you are already giving yourself an excuse for low activity? Seems like a convenient excuse so you produce fewer chances of slipping up and revealing yourself if you were mafia.


Are you kidding? You really think that in a game where most players cannot PM, someone would both be able to PM and DT check? As well - all the roles have been revealed in the game, none of the abilities are hidden. Why would you even consider that DTs would be able to PM as well?

Detectives need to target players with the aim of finding mafia in a game with no out of thread communications with fellow players. Why? With no out of thread communications with fellow players the usefulness of finding a fellow town player is greatly diminished.

It probably isn't a good idea to claim detective early in the game unless you're close to being lynched. If the town already has some suspicion on someone you have checked to be mafia, you should keep up the pressure. However, early in the game it'll be difficult to go after someone you found red if the rest of the town isn't suspicious of them, so keep your result under your hat and pay attention to what this person does, and later on see if you can identify this person's teammates, or go after them once they create more suspicion upon themselves. If the town is getting killed off and is approaching a loss, AT THAT POINT you probably want to claim if you've found some red. You may also want to be more aggressive in going after someone if lynching that person would take mafia numbers from odd to even, which will reduce their KP by one (a big deal in a game such as this).


Curious. If medics do what you instruct them to do, then if any of these players are town, it makes them easy to kill at night and easy for the mafia to deprive the town of their ability. But actually from my point of view the only player on this list that I would really try to keep around if town would be Ace. I haven't seen Caller being particularly useful as a town player, nor you, especially in this type of setup. You seem to be strongest in games where PMs are allowed, even your plans contain hopes that DTs are able to PM. The "build a town PM circle and then DT-check/confirm everyone" strategy doesn't work here, and at least from my view that seems to be your strength, rather than people analysis. In fact in past games as a prominent pro-town player you've heavily advocated lynching players who ended up being town when you couldn't rely on DT-checks and other ways to confirm.


I can't believe I'm calling you out on so much of your post...but Mad Hatters are similar to vigilantes, except delayed. You say they're like DTs??? What the heck?

Anyways - vigilantes, hold your shot until you're really sure a player is mafia, because if you screw up, you contribute to REMOVING AVAILABLE MISLYNCHES from the town!!! That's right. If you screw up your shot, the town could possibly lose an opportunity to screw up a lynch because you killed an extra town-aligned player. And mislynches are more valuable to the town than screwed up vigilante hits because mislynches come with vote counts that include mafia votes, which can be analyzed later on.

Also - if early in the game you think you're SURE a player is mafia - YOU ARE WRONG! Look at past games where vigilantes fired early. Especially World at War, considering nukes as daytime vigilante hits. Notice how many town-aligned players with nukes were "SURE" that their nuke targets were mafia - and almost all of them would have hit town! That's why being "sure" early in the game is just a delusion.

Mad hatter - since your bombs don't activate until you die, go ahead and place some bombs early - but try not to get killed early either! If you're going to die early you might as well hold back on your bombs, as they will then act as early-game vigilante hits.