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On March 24 2010 03:14 Zona wrote: Current version of proposed plan 1. No one is to initiate a nuke. 2. Anyone who initiates a nuke should be revenge-nuked by TWO players with real nukes. To ensure only TWO revenge-nuke, those with real nukes need to refresh the thread, and see if two have already been launched. If not, shoot one. 3. If any of the revenge-nukes turn out to be fake, the faker needs to be lynched or nuked as well. 4. Do not launch fake nukes. This only serves to muddy the picture for the town and gives an opportunity for the target to get another nuke in the air. 5. Anti-nukes should be used at their owner's discretion. However, save some for the late game, so that at that stage, the mafia can't simply nuke a large proportion of the remaining town members and win. 6. If the town COLLECTIVELY (not by some individual thought) feels that they're probably close to losing, start using nukes as daytime vigilante hits. No one should use nukes without town consensus. Anyone who nukes out of turn needs to be killed. If we opt to lynch nuke users, we will simply forget about them, and not hold them accountable, and then everyone will just go crazy with nukes without fear. We always talk about using lynches to hold people accountable, but we never actually do. Immediate action needs to be taken, and that action is nukes. But, we shouldn't need to use nukes to kill nukers ever, since people just shouldn't nuke. But if they do, they need to be immediately be counter nuked before everyone forgets and lets them go. On March 24 2010 05:55 Abenson wrote: I will vote for L simply because he is temp-banned and not much help as of now. ##vote L Bullshit, your just hopping on the bandwagon because L called to get you lynched. Revenge voting is stupid. Everyone bandwagoning on L needs to stop, he will be back before day 2, and by killing someone without any posts, what information do we get as town? none. We can lynch L after he comes back if he is action scummy/stupid, it is a waste to do it before. He has contributed with a plan and will be active when he is back. If you think that the day 1 lynch is a crapshoot, your right, but voting for someone just because they are banned for a little bit, especially when they have been actively posting content is retarded, there are plenty of other people who haven't contributed, and who obviously wont bring in any content to the game. Therefor, I am voting for Abenson. Its between him and johnnyspazz who are hopping on the bandwagon. Bandwagonning is scummy, Mafia would love to get someone else killed asap to protect themselves an be able to pass the blame for it, that is the only reason I can think of for voting L without posting any real reasons of, other than just being bad. Think for yourselves, and if your going to follow someone elses ideas, at least choose good ones. ##vote: Abenson | ||
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On March 24 2010 08:48 Versatile wrote: so what makes abenson a better target, iaaan? for the most part, everyone is just as dumb as everyone else. the only thing that makes L different is he got himself banned. what's the issue? what big grand plan did he come up with to implement before he got himself banned? listen. i don't care who it is, the dude got himself banned. period. he won't be active for two days. i'm usually for not lynching anyone on the first day because there is so little to go on, but since we've got someone sitting right there who will not benefit the town for two days, why not lynch them? honestly, if it was some other player, there would probably not be so much protesting to keep L alive. hop off his dick for a second and look for reason, loser. I have the same opinion of L as I do of you, you both just love pissing people off. But at least the two of you actually do shit. I am not set on Abenson, lynching L would be silly for the reasons that have been posted, and Abenson is a reasonable alternative. I will listen to arguments against other people. What makes Abenson a better target than L is that, L posts; if he is mafia we can catch him, while players like Abenson do not post, and since he has hopped on a ridiculous bandwagon, that is scummy. His actions point to him, L's do not. We will have lots of chances to analyze L's posting, we will not have many to analyze against players like Abenson. Lynching someone for a completely useless reason, that they wont be around for a day and a night of the game is just scum trying to get the town to waste a lynch. | ||
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On March 24 2010 09:43 d3_crescentia wrote: I don't like rules 2 and 3. I dislike rule 2 because it increases the number of available targets to retaliate against. It's entirely possible that the aggressor in this case is sitting on a stockpile of nukes, and having two additional people nuke him could potentially mean two more retaliatory strikes. I think it should be limited to just the victim and maybe just one more person that's allowed to fire in return; only in the case where the victim can't shoot back should two revenge-nukers get involved. I dislike the implications of rule 3, because it's possible we won't know which nukes are/aren't fake if they get shot down by anti-nukes, and so it could cloud the issue. Though I guess it stands to say if we all follow rules 1 and 4 then it it'd be a non-issue. Exactly, it should be a non issue. If people act against the town by using nukes when it has decided that there must be an agreement before using them, that person must die instantly. Everyone who is town should follow these rules in order to help their team, or they deserve to die; they are anti-town regardless of their role. | ||
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On March 23 2010 16:13 ~OpZ~ wrote: Aye....I will make certain to fire many nukes in the interest of assuring mutual destruction if things do not go properly. First step of these talks shall be a statement of bargaining. L, if you bus someone for something for a previous game, I can assure you destruction. Abenson has done nothing improper yet in this game and hasn't even had the opportunity to post. I feel he at least deserves the opportunity to prove he can be a better player. We should first discuss a plan of action. Ace was pretty smart by not telling us what countries were included in this game, otherwise we could of simply called out our countries (not including our arsenals), and seen if the country we had mattered. I'll assume countries with anti-nukes are like day time paramedics. I'm curious if their are ones that protect against night actions. While Zona has a decent plan to deter nuking, it involves a lot of secondary nuking. (One nuke = Two more nukes being fired as retaliation). Then his suggestion of a third party scares me into believing he himself is a third party. Seriously, one retaliatory nuke should be enough. We have no idea how many nukes can actually be fired before we wind up fucked from radiation. Until we hear from every person I don't think we should decide on a lynch candidate. We have 2 days to find a target, let's use them. Everyone post an overall strategy, don't just cosign someone elses. I support L's M.A.D. only because I will not let someone bully me, or force a band wagon when half a day hasn't even went by yet. Be wary of following L too hard. I don't support holding grudges like that. Also, Abenson, remember this: I'm only defending for now because you haven't posted. If you continue with your habitual one liners, I may be forced to side with L and support some corrective actions. Don't take this lightly. L is rather amazing at creating band wagons, but I see people have become atleast mildly fed up with his strong grudge holding. We also have no need to day lynch, remember this. We can start shit and throw suspicion as much as possible. Ace said we need a majority of players, and once he notices, the days over. No changing your vote after that. Day cycle ends. This can hurt us severely. Everyone must be active or else we will be thoroughly fucked. Keep yourselves read up on the thread at the least, don't miss anything. If you see a bandwagon, hesitate. Don't just jump on it because you might just wind up ending the day and regret it later. Good Luck. Let's try and play nice. Going back a few pages... Sup, North Korea, I hope you aren't still hoping to throw all those nukes around, or maybe you will be the one to lynch day 1. I like your posts, but make sure you are clear. I can see why people are voting for you, need to be less ambiguous. | ||
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On March 24 2010 10:05 Versatile wrote: haha. nice. an actual response, and then a jab. thank god everyone isn't a crybaby. and Thanks, I learned from watching L (: | ||
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On March 24 2010 11:57 ~OpZ~ wrote: Good point Zona... ##Vote: Phrujbaz L has a reason....The rest of you all need to up your posting game. With some content. Okay...I'm going to say this again. We don't need an exact definite decision against nukes. I think our biggest worry will be people about to be lynched firing off their nukes anyway. That's the kind of stunt I would pull. I think that retaliation for nukes should be done on a situational basis. Two nukes is kind of much given that we don't know how much it will increase the ToD. That's my only problem with it. A combination of lynch/nuke is my thought, with some respect for the individual situation. I'm sure random nuking will be enough to piss off a majority of the town. Also, we need to focus on a good lynch target. Be aware that we aren't near a lynch. Even though a few of us have been posting we need the whole towns participation. Not talking is bad for the town. Stuff like that will get you lynched and it's bad for use to not post. One liners don't help. Now please, start posting some content people. Lots of people seem to be wanting to vote L. If he was some random person he would be a good candidate. But he is easily one of our best planners. Even if no lynch occurs today we will have some information gained from it because he will likely be a mafia target tonight, or even if someone else is, we should pay attention for those who push for L's lynch. Johnnyspazz hasn't posted much and voted for L originally. Abenson hasn't either and he voted for L. Nikon hasn't really posted either. I propose Phrujbaz along with Zona. (Should he actually be modkilled right now? Has he confirmed to ace, or in the thread? Game's been up for 24 hours right?) Yes, we do need a definite decision. That decision is that the vast majority of the town needs to agree before a nuke is fired, and if one is fired against the will of the town, then that person is anti town, and must die instantly via nuke. If people just nuke randomly people they get pissed off at, the town will suffer. I was mafia in Caller's red army mafiya game, and I was just giggling at how people were shooting eachother willy nilly. The mafia would be so happy to have everyone killing eachother off for them, while they stay out of the way. We need to enforce this to maintain order, and we can't just lynch idiots who fire nukes at their own discretion because: 1) It is a waste of lynches 2) Everyone will just forget about holding people accountable for their actions, and move to lynch other people They need to be nuked so we do not sacrifice the town's KP, and so that they are not forgotten. If people decide to launch nukes as they are getting lynched, again without the admission of the town, then they deserve to die. Do not let your emotions get in the way of winning, even if you are town and getting lynched, your team can still win once you are dead, without getting screwed over by a bad nuke. | ||
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Voting for L is dumb because we wont learn anything other than his role, since he hasn't been able to post. I propose that, in order to extend the day, someone without nukes could launch a fake nuke. Thoughts? I was going to write a bit more, but I figured I should bring up the idea for discussion first. | ||
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On March 25 2010 07:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol dude what the fuck? Its a good thing I read the last page before anything else. You are insane. nice defence Also, I voting Abenson right now seems like a bad idea, I didn't realize it was L who first brought him up, and now that abenson/opz have claimed mason, I think it is reasonable to let them live for now, assuming Abenson confirms it eventually. | ||
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It could be worse tho, two day 1 kills instead of 1 o: | ||
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I think we should let his nuke hit Caller. There isn't really any reason not to, its not like losing him is a big loss, we shouldn't waste our anti nukes, and we get more information. I doubt RoL is mafia (of course he still has to be lynched), so I think that it is better to let the nuke hit. And big lol at Abenson for coming to vote for RoL and not saying anything about opz. How stupid can you get? If you are masons you need to confirm it. If you aren't, we need to know to. Saying nothing just makes us think your even stupider, you have an easy opportunity to be useful, and you just ignore it. | ||
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I kind of want to hear what Zona has to say, but I'm thinking it might be a good idea to let the nuke fall on caller. | ||
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On March 26 2010 01:09 Versatile wrote: well, i know RoL thinks zona is mafia, but i think that's just because he's pissed. as far as suspect, my personal list would be jspazz and iaaan. you convinced me on jspazz and iaaan has had a posting style that stands out as strange to me. i'm not sold on nemy yet. need more analysis. I think your suspicious of me just because I was being rude to you. RoL has given us alot of nice content, which is good, when we kill him we will learn more from his posts than we would have if he didn't post at all, obviously. While RoL may disagree with the no nuke thing, that is too bad, if he really wanted to use nukes it would be fine to discuss it, not to just use one. He has to die or the game could easily just turn into a shitstorm. We should not waste our anti nukes to shoot his nuke down; Caller has not done anything that makes him worth saving. Simple as that, we get information, we lose someone who has not proved useful. Welcome back L O: Treehugger seems semi reasonable to lynch (at least for day 1), but it will have to wait. How posted why already, and in addition to that, we only have like an hour left to vote, right? Not enough time to switch to anyone but RoL. tl;dr Lynch RoL, Nuke Caller, wait for night post | ||
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1) lynch tree.hugger asap 2) Let johnnyspazz and L die, there is nothing that points to their alignment either way. We shouldn't waste our anti nukes on people who we aren't sure are pro town. If they are mafia an the mafia have saving powers, they will 100% get saved. Someone else went over this in some other post, so I wont repeat it explicitly. And I think L's posting style makes you want to believe that he is right. You should look at what he actually posts instead of the aggressive/confident way he posts it, he has been wrong many times before. | ||
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On March 27 2010 00:38 meeple wrote: I still suspect Iaaan of devious actions, since he hasn't really responded to any criticisms... although if I recall someone did offer some reasons why he would make those decisions, I would prefer something from him. I understand that being accused, it is generally asked that you point to a different suspect, so feel free to point out exactly what makes you think I'm suspicious, and I will explain. I've said this before but I enjoy repeating myself. We need to save some anti nukes for a time later than day1. RoL was green, and there is nothing that makes me think it is worth it to save johnny, so let him die. Same thing with L, I can see why some people support him/think he has somehow been useful enough to spend an anti nuke on, but he isn't, his role as just as uncertain as johnny's. It is reasonable to say that if L flips red then tree.hugger isn't mafia. If L flips green he has to die. The nuke should not be intercepted because then we will never know who saved him, and either of their alignments. Letting L die potentially shows us two peoples allignments, which is obviously good for us, less people to suspect. I stand by the not nuking thing, but now that it has happened, we should use it to our advantage. tl;dr, save anti nukes, nuke johnny, nuke L, lynch tree.hugger based off L's alignment. | ||
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On March 27 2010 07:19 L wrote: Nah, the points I disagree with I've already put counter arguments out against prior. I can fully understand townies falling on both sides of this issue. That said, if I do end up dying, take responsibility. Okay@paragraph 1, maybe I was a bit rude, I really do enjoy playing with you, even when you do stupid things ;p The way I see it happening is that tree.hugger will take the brunt of 'responsibility' directly, most other people will be ignored. But of course I won't deny that I supported your nuking. | ||
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On March 27 2010 07:53 johnnyspazz wrote: hrm so im a retard and didn't read my role carefully do you guys mind if i save myself and L at the same time? wat | ||
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On March 27 2010 07:58 haster27 wrote: Seriously, where is the unanimous mood the Town shared against nuke at early stages of the game? At then everyone agreed that non-concensus nuker was bad, and only matter up to debate was whether we should counter-nuke or lynch him. I simply cannot understand why people are suddenly changing their stances to say that nuking is fine as long as it is fired against "unconfirmed" Townie. And nukes shouldn't be fired without discussion, but I have changed my opinion, we should account for them once they have been fired and use them to our advantage, not just save people and lynch idiots, if we can be reasonably certain that they are town. | ||
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And oh my god, will day 1 ever end? | ||
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On March 27 2010 11:42 Bill Murray wrote: LMNOP is hugely pro-town with his walls of text, but noone believes L is except me he is playing the exact same way he did last game, and if he is red, hurray, if he is not, whatever im going to save him if you all don't like it, or want to lynch me, go ahead. i'll withhold my nukes if i'm lynched I probably can't change your mind about saving L. I hope you at least save elementope, seeing as its an anonymous nuke, and we can't learn anything from it other than that the mafia probably want him dead. | ||
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I want all the nukes in the air to fall, none of the players being nuked are confirmed townies. Assuming that the town is stupid, and that the mafia are saving their nukes, it makes sense that we should save our anti nukes for when it is more likely mafia nukes that have been launched, otherwise the mafia will have a huge amount of KP. I think it is suspicious that Bill Murray and L are supporting each other after what has happened in the past. I think they could easily be mafia defending each other/using chainsaw defense with nukes/antinukes. I don't see any solid reason that people (haster, sup) are defending them, other than that they feel they are town. | ||
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and @ verse, I want you to die as well as L, no not completely on your side ^.^ | ||
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2. d3_crescentia 3. JeeJee 7. Amber[LighT] 8. Caller 12. Zona 14. Fishball 16. meeple 18. Nikon 20. nemy People who voted against L originally for no reason other than that he was banned are Fishball and d3. Versatile and tree.hugger also voted for L for no reason, and used nukes stupidly. These four people are who I think should be lynched. Verse will probably be hit with a nuke soon. Verse and tree.hugger both nuked L, looking at it from a mafia's perspective, they would know that L is town, and a veteran/useful player; thus they would have motivation to nuke him past just being pissed off at him. And I can see why people are suspicious of me, I haven't really been posting much rational behind my thoughts, but just my thoughts themselves. I've been busy/lazy, but like foolishness says, no one cares. But I acknowledge the accusations at least, and will try to respond to them, and point to people that I think are more suspicious than me. | ||
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In this post, Verse points out d3 and fishball as suspects. + Show Spoiler + On March 29 2010 02:02 Versatile wrote: i agree with waiting out the rest of the day and night. as i stated before, if we launch any nukes at mafia, i think they will just shoot them down. lynching is the only surefire way of getting a red out of the game. i'll say it one more time: i am not going to fire again without town consent. i have no reason to at this point. also, there have been plenty of people who the town has suspected. to decide how to lynch them, i say we rank them in order of most suspect. here is my list, make your own if you don't agree with it. 1. caller: was anonymously saved and has posted very little. little to no posting is a mafia tell for him. 2. iaaan: scummy posting style pointed out by several players. 3. tree.hugger/versatile/xelin: for non-consensus nuking. suspicious: LMNOP for attacking opz and abenson after mason claim. the one thing i'd like to point out here is that L also advocated for killing one to prove the other if i am remembering correctly, and he was a towny. and i believe one other person did the same as well. then there is zona's inactive list, L's vote list, and the list i posted. L's vote list (as of page 21): tree.hugger Versatile Abenson Fishball RebirthofLegend ~Opz~ d3_crescentia zona's latest inactive list: iNfuNdiBuLuM: 31 JeeJee: 30 Iaaan: 29 meeple: 28 Fishball: 26 Amber[LighT]: 26 Nikon: 18 d3_crescentia: 14 nemY: 13 Abenson: 12 Caller: 12 Phrujbaz: 2 Versatile's suspect list: iaaan caller amberlight nemy d3_crescentia xelin nikon fishball i'd just like to point out that fishball and d3_crescentia are on all three of those lists. just something to note. not putting FoS on them, but the fact that they're on 3 different lists, all of which were formed with different criteria speaks to the need for both to give more to the town and a necessary increase in pro-town behavior. abenson, nikon, iaaan, amberlight, nemy and caller are on two of those lists each. abenson voted for L to save himself and told us he was going to be inactive so i believe it's safe to cross him off. nemy has been kind of inactive in both this game and zona's game, so that's something to take into consideration. i also think it may be interesting to see how zona's inactive lists have changed over the course of the game. not saying we will definitely get something useful out of them, but we should be looking for patterns. i welcome thoughts and opinions on this post. I want to point out that I pointed them out as suspects several pages before: + Show Spoiler + On March 28 2010 15:00 Iaaan wrote: I want to point out that the mafia will have been sitting around laughing at us while we were screwing ourselves. There was no reason for them to post anything to screw up the town because we were doing it for them. So the people who haven't posted much in a reasonable amount of time I think should be called attention to: 2. d3_crescentia 3. JeeJee 7. Amber[LighT] 8. Caller 12. Zona 14. Fishball 16. meeple 18. Nikon 20. nemy People who voted against L originally for no reason other than that he was banned are Fishball and d3. Versatile and tree.hugger also voted for L for no reason, and used nukes stupidly. These four people are who I think should be lynched. Verse will probably be hit with a nuke soon. Verse and tree.hugger both nuked L, looking at it from a mafia's perspective, they would know that L is town, and a veteran/useful player; thus they would have motivation to nuke him past just being pissed off at him. And I can see why people are suspicious of me, I haven't really been posting much rational behind my thoughts, but just my thoughts themselves. I've been busy/lazy, but like foolishness says, no one cares. But I acknowledge the accusations at least, and will try to respond to them, and point to people that I think are more suspicious than me. Thus if either of them are mafia, then it logically follows that I would not bring attention to them if I were also mafia. Also, I'm less sure than I was before that people who use nukes should die; wouldn't mafia want to lay low and not risk getting too invovled? I think it is possible that people just dont like L and enjoy killing him with nukes. And this post of Opz I like: + Show Spoiler + On March 28 2010 22:35 ~OpZ~ wrote: Omg...Lol...And then you point back at Caller? We seriously have bigger fish to fry...or turn into glass, whichever term you prefer. As likely as I believe Caller to be mafia, I'm personally advocating Iaaan, Xelin, and Tree.Hugger to be rape trained. You were also the one who pointed to lynching RoL. I understand he was inactive Versatile...I know Iaaan's made some super scummy ass posts...Consistently advocated letting the nukes on L land. I think I'ma go see if he commented on Caller's nuke... Okay...Well...This tells me that if Caller is mafia, Iaaan isn't (unless he knew Japan would save). I think believing the first part of that is more likely.... Xelin also supported Caller being Nuked Also on page 27 they both advocate letting the nuke fall again, within a very short amount of time of each other. Infun hasn't posted too much. Before L was unbanned, Meeple noticed tree.hugger voted for L and fought for it because L would be inactive. Funny isn't it? I think Meeple is town aligned. Huh? HI AMBER!!!! Elem supports keeping L alive, note this JeeJee too! Let me point this post out, as my position on Caller, he came up with the idea to prolong days, and give L a chance to get into the game, without getting bussed originally. Nikon says he doesn't think killing L too quickly would be a good thing. And points his FoS at Caller....(he quoted Caller's above post in this post) P.s. Zona keeps suspicion going at caller on pages 10 and 11. Tree.Huggers vote for L Versatile (jack ass) Abenson(mason) are the next to vote for L...I shoulda whopped him for that -_- Then JohnnySpazz...(green) Hi Hi Iaaan!! He might be a townie afterall!! Honestly, my suspicions of Iaaan occur later, in pages numbered 40- 55 I think. It's just how his posts are speaking I think. I'm just going to leave Fishball's post up to someone else...I can't even see his intentions at all. Lol. He didn't wanna argue with L, but it's obvious by this point L's getting quite the amount of votes. So Iaaan starts defending L rather swiftly...and BAM here comes, you guessed it, the all knowing tree.hugger...Rather scummy. + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2010 11:49 Iaaan wrote: Going back a few pages... Sup, North Korea, I hope you aren't still hoping to throw all those nukes around, or maybe you will be the one to lynch day 1. I like your posts, but make sure you are clear. I can see why people are voting for you, need to be less ambiguous. ^_^ Haha...N.K. comment... Another confirmed townie votes for L Now...this post comes at what I'd like to consider a more crucial time...and D3 hasn't said much so this is a little out of place...Abenson and me were gaining votes, and now would be a good time for the mafia to start voting L. He was still, or was almost, the vote leader at the point. I role claimed around this time, and then Zona jumps to my aid...LMNOP was trying to still get Abenson lynched or atleast considers it an option still...so its kinda weird here...-_-...I dunno...And Xelin comes to my aid...weird... I'll post a little more on the importance of most of this. Versatile (? Jack ass?) JohnnySpazz (Green)) Abenson (blue) ~OpZ~ (Blue RoL (Blue/Green) Tree.Hugger (Nuked L (medic) without agreement) Fishball ( -_- ) Might be missing a few, very tired....2 hours of sleep. And hung over. This is my composition of notes for you all to see...Lots of posts sifted through to find out what about this L situation went down....and now I'm mildly disappointed... I propose Fishball be DT checked tonight, if their is a role with night role checks. I was fairly vocal about not lynching L while he was banned, there was nothing that made him look scummy, and nothing to be learned from his allignment since he didnt have any posts. Once he came back and started posting, I started wanting him dead, for reasons that are obviously incorrect now. Thus, I didn't want L dead because he was a strong opponent, helping the town, I wanted him dead because I thought he could be mafia, and because I wanted to be a little more conservative with anti nukes. At this point, on day 2, I would vote for caller, d3, fishball, or xelin, whoever has the best chance of getting the majority of votes. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 28 2010 15:23 Versatile wrote: well, if i was mafia, i wouldn't be getting hit with a nuke, now would i? c'mon. you've seriously got some work to do on your game face. On March 28 2010 15:28 Ace wrote: Missile Launch detected! ![[image loading]](http://jeremayakovka.typepad.com/jeremayakovka/images/qassam_rocket_dud.jpg) Missiles from Bill Murray streak towards Versatile. As the missiles break the skyline the General looks on in terror. Suddenly he looks closely at the warheads and asks "Are those pies on the warheads?" The missiles end up damaging part of the city, but they are not nuclear. Versatile survives the attack! Missiles launched in retaliation by Versatile will strike BM at 15:42 KST! Missiles launched by L towards Caller will strike at 10:09 KST! Nukes in the air: 2 Nukes detonated: 2 Radiation levels: low Day currently ends at 10:09 KST March29th Not that I think verse should be lynched atm. | ||
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On March 29 2010 02:26 JeeJee wrote: oh you have got to be shitting me, eh? here's my addition to the current shitstorm. zona brought up a point where someone went "oh lul u want the night to start?? eager to use up your abilities huh?" implying him mafia. sure that's all well and good, we all know mafia get a nightkill this game, but hey. did you all forget L flipped medic? that means we also probably have the typical night roles like DTs in this game too. thing is.. the shorter the game is, the less useful they are. and at this rate i'm not even sure we'll ever get a rolecheck out of them before we blow the shit out of each other. i mean for fuck's sake, do you realize this day started on march TWENTY THIRD? like SIX DAYS AGO? we have been launching nukes for 133 hours now. and of course there's at least another 24 hours of it thanks to canada eh. of course i can't blame him because he's quite likely townie and he *is* nuking a target that's been suggested by quite a few people. it's just that, hey, it's like the seventh nuke fired before night1. as douglas adams' Mr. L. Prosser would say -- "what a day" now i believe L suggested me and haster nuking tree.hugger and xelin. i'm giving weight to this particular suggestion because he is confirmed townie. well, tree.hugger i suppose is no longer a choice at this point, but xelin's still there. i'd like to point out, for the umpteenth time, how i feel about nukes. if the majority wants xelin to get shot, fine, haster or I can probably take care of that. but if you think i am going to nuke without town consensus you're out of your fucking mind. i already made it quite clear that my stance is "say no to nukes" and gee, maybe this current shitstorm will help you see why. all these inactivity lists that were brought up are quite interesting actually. i think suspects like d3 and fishball (i outlined them earlier as well) should definitely be looked at as lynch (or nuke... /rolleyes) targets. but hey, instead we're fucking nuking all willy-nilly. whatever works right? OH WAIT WE HAVEN'T EXPLODED A SINGLE RED NOW HAVE WE grrrr If your planning to nuke please do it soon so we can get on to day 2 T.T or just don't nuke/wait O: | ||
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On March 30 2010 02:05 Versatile wrote: anti-nuke it opz. nikon just confirmed himself as mafia. idiot. yes On March 30 2010 04:09 JeeJee wrote: iaaan -against lynching L -for rol's nuke hitting -wants johnny and L to die, and lynch tree.hugger -has a big logic flaw where if L is green, tree.hugger has to die -supports shooting down anonymous nuke -suspects both BM and L -"i want all nukes in the air to fall because none of the players are confirmed townies" another logic flaw -also wants verse to die That does look pretty bad, I've wanted to kill 5 now confirmed townies. But I figure I'll post what I think anyway! Mafia: meeple (and tree.hugger linked him to d3, if one of them is mafia the other is more likely to be) amber nikon fishball maybe infundibulum, caller and nemy, and d3 town: me obviously (: opz abenson zona haster verse probably LMNOP and Jeejee Most people have posted arguments against these people already so I wont do too much, but the one game I was mafia in (Caller's game, so similar situation with nukes, except faster), it was easy to not really read the thread, but come in occasionally and agree with ideas that sound good, but that I knew wouldn't mess my team up. Not being really inactive, but staying out of intense arguments and not really commiting myself to eitehr side of an argument. So thus, my main suspect is meeple. I think that nikon was really stupid to nuke zona whatever team he is on, IMO zona is obviously town. | ||
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I think that you should start enforcing the ban rule for inactivity, for not posting at every 24 hours. Caller I'm sure hasn't posted recently at all, and I'm sure that other players (nemy, abenson, fishball maybe) have had periods well over 24 hours with no posts. | ||
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and @ anti nuking nikons missle, I guess the question is, are we willing to risk losing zona, based on the word of nikon? based off his posts the last few pages, I would consider the possibility of a lie. | ||
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On March 30 2010 12:15 XeliN wrote: On reflection going to delete this, checked incase it broke rules but still it is clearly a dubious line. Since there is nothing to talk about, I am wondering what this edit was about. | ||
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##vote Xelin## Nukes fired at both zona and LMNOP? I have doubts about whether the mafia would be so stupid, but either way awful awful play. | ||
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Anyone wanting to switch from Xelin to another suspect has my support, I think he is probably just retarded town, although there is the possibility of retarded mafia. I will probably vote for whoever has the most votes in order to get the majority. Because I am a big suspect, and people have nukes (thus people might want to nuke me), I feel like it helps to say this: I have a special role, and one of the things it gives me is passive nuke protection, I can only be killed by the lynch or at night; nuking me will just waste a nuke/add to radiation level. And we wouldn't want to reach the ToD o: Bold because I think that people stupid enough to nuke on a whim will just skip over the thread: I cannot be nuked because of my special role, only lynched/night killed | ||
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While the idea makes sense, that the mafia would wait and let the town create a bandwagon to hop onto, I doubt all mafia would wait until the end to vote. It makes sense in the same way that the mafia would all vote to lynch the same person. But at the same time, you would think that the mafia would encourage an incorrect bandwagon to protect themselves, and try to distribute their votes/vote time in order to remain inconspicuous. So I disagree with that theory, but I do agree with some of the inferences we can make from it. Looking at the lists you made of who has and hasn't voted for xelin, most/all of the towns suspects are on the list that has not voted for xelin. Your theory on the pattern on time could explain why that is. Another explanation could be: if we assume that Xelin is mafia, then the list of people who haven't voted for him makes perfect sense: the mafia do not vote for xelin and hope, or put effort into, getting someone else lynched. and also, recognizing your suspicion of me, I don't know what to say, I made my first post after seeing the day post/the nuke that xelin fired, and I was a little angry at his stupidity, and slightly irrationally happy that I probably wouldn't be getting killed today because of him (not that I need to be alive for the town to win, but what can I say, I want to live), so I just posted my stupid little vote/comment and felt accomplished. Also, I intend to vote for whoever is closest to the majority so we do now have a no lynch. so that said, I think that this list has 3or4/5 mafia in it: Xelin Caller Nikon Nemy d3 I think we should continue to lynch Xelin, and Discuss nuking (and then proceed with nuking) Caller. Xelin has shown that he has nukes he isn't afraid to be stupid with, however when Caller was nuked before, he posted that he had no nukes nor anti nukes. Caller is also the most likely mafia member in my eyes, with his inactivity and then with Fishball's post about his special abilities. | ||
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Lucky I didn't just nuke Caller before trying to talk about it, like most people (: | ||
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It makes more sense that with 2 cops that they could be screwed up cops. | ||
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And I mean, look at your own record, launching nukes at LMNOP and Zona, both of which were completely retarded, and you alone were trying to kill them. Again, compare that to me where I had hardly any effect on the outcomes. I completely disagree with your saying that I am inactive, I haven't been spamming up the thread, or sitting at my computer all day posting, but I've done my best, and posted more than most people. And with you asking me to roleclaim, I again see you asking it from the mafia's perspective. Is Iaaan better to kill than fishball/caller? All the town needs to know is that I can't be killed by nukes, anything else I will use alone as best I can to serve the towns purpose based on the discussion about who needs to live/die/learned about. | ||
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@LMNOP, you asked if I wouldn't mind being nuked to confirm my role. Sure, I could be nuked, and it would help confirm my role, but not really my alignment. And if we start more specific roleclaiming in the day, I will do it as well, because it would be useless if not everybody does it. | ||
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On April 03 2010 01:37 Nikon wrote: I am a Veteran. I took a hit last night. With that out of the way - laaan, if I nuke you, do you think it will hit? It will hit, but it wont kill me. Do you have nuke protection to? and are you arctica? | ||
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still wont show that I have nuke protection, but no big deal, not really relevant anyway. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + i joke of course ;d | ||
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First, nikon says his nuke is fake. Either way, doesn't really matter. Next, it seems like the serial killer has targetted Nikon 2 days in a row. Nikon has been a suspect, so maybe that suggests that the SK is somehow on the towns side. On the flipside of having 2 serial killers, the mafia could have 2 KP (Ace wasn't clear on this), although I think it is most likely that there are town, mafia, and a third party. So the way I see it, if the SK is town aligned, he can help us by killing suspects without revealing himself/getting killed by mafia. If there are two serial killers hunting for each other, that could be supported by the night hits, amber, nikonx2, and verse, they have all been reasonable suspects to be mafia (maybe not verse as much), no one who seems really pro town has been hit so far. But that said, I think the most likely set up is 3/4 mafia, 1 roleblocker 1 nuke stealer, then a SK. The bus driver's switch on meeple/nikon was just be chance. If we assume that the nuke stealer role is anti town, then from that is makes sense that Jeejee (and abenson) are also town. Last, a solid roleclaim from me, I was being ambiguous before, I am Antarctica, a veteran. My powers are 1 extra life against nukes, and 1 extra life against night hits. This makes me suspicious of nikon still, if we are both veterans, why are our roles different? I asked him a little bit about his role on the last page, from what he has said it doesn't sound like he has an extra life against nukes. With Caller, I think that we shouldn't lynch him today. See what happens with his check tmrw. We also shouldn't lynch d3 on the chance that Caller is an insane cop, however on the off chance he does die/flip red, it suggests that d3 is red as well. So all that said, the best person to lynch is Nemy, I don't think there is any chance of him being active, any reason that the mafia would want to kill him, or anyway to show that he is a townie. ##vote nemy## Who knows, maybe there aren't actually any mafia after all. lol. or maybe the mafia are giggling that we think they might not even exsist o.o | ||
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On April 02 2010 21:13 Abenson wrote: Alright I have an announcement: Someone stole nuke(s) from me They left behind coffee beens and used cocaine needles On April 04 2010 03:05 Abenson wrote: Alright, my nuke was used to extend the day and nothing else. Before nuking I gave all my nukes to ~OpZ~, so therefore the missile will do no harm. What If Caller were to check opz/abenson, I don't see what the point would be, if your town you would be red, if hes paranoid you would be red. The only way too see if he is insane is if he checks a mafia, right? I think we should give him another day or two and see what happens, and lynch someone else today. And the way my role PM was worded makes me believe that a fake nuke will not use up my nuke protection. | ||
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I agree with everything jeejee says except the fact that he suspects me we should lynch nemy for the lolz we should nuke nikon, he doesn't have any nukes to counter nuke if he is mafia and if he is a veteran he wont die anyway. Jeejee and d3 should roleclaim so we can fill in the spots on hasters list and start seeing who is lying. | ||
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but nemy, I don't think you should ignore the bit about nuking nikon (: | ||
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to extend the day because I don't really have any nukes ^.^ Just waiting for nemy to nuke nikon O: | ||
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On March 28 2010 03:29 Ace wrote: ![[image loading]](http://image.absoluteastronomy.com/images/encyclopediaimages/w/wa/war2.gif) Sweden has shot down nukes headed for Elemenope! Missiles launched by Versatile towards L will strike at 13:40 KST! Missiles launched by BM towards Versatile will strike at 15:28 KST! Missiles launched in retaliation by Versatile will strike BM at 15:42 KST! Nukes in the air: 3 Nukes detonated: 1 Radiation levels: very low Day currently ends at 15:42 KST March28th I'm sure most people forgot that d3/sweden saved LMNOP. | ||
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So it looks like there are 2 mafia with special roles (roleblocker and nuke stealer), a bus driver esque role that is probably mafia alligned, the serial killer, and maybe 1 more mafia with no special powers. 4 or 5 non town people exsist. | ||
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So am I putting out d3 as a lynch candidate. | ||
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On April 06 2010 09:00 Elemenope wrote: I don't really havea nything new to say other than thanks for the anti-nuke d3? I still have my suspicions of Caller, nikon, d3, nemy due to previous reasons listed. Nemy launched his nuke against Nikon which is what we wanted him to do to prove nikon's veteran status which is what this whole thing hinges around. Unless you have any specific questions, I'm not sure what else to contribute until this nuke lands. I have a specific question Seeing as you are suspicious of d3, why do you think his motivations were to use one of his anonymous anti nukes to save you from the anonymous nuke from Xelin/north korea? | ||
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Abenson is town opz is town jeejee is town (fairly sure because of nuke steal) I think that it is safe to consider myself town at this point, nikon probably wouldnt be dying if not for me I think that fishball's role seems reasonable. Add yourself to the list (I'm thinking haster/infun) Uh oh, that is 6 townies. The town mafia ratio has to be 7:5. if it were 6:5 we would lose. I think 8:4 is unlikely considering how many there were originally. is seems logical that because d3 saved LMNOP, is d3 is mafia then LMNOP is mafia. and if LMNOP is innocent, d3 can't be mafia. However, there isn't enough room on the townie list for both of them, only one if you dont believe fishball and haster/infun are town. Thus, LMNOP and d3 are both mafia. We also have nikon confirmed mafia. This leaves Caller and nemy. One or both of them are mafia. If nemy is mafia, we are fine. But we should assume the worst and say he is town. If that is the case we need to either save him, OR kill a different member of the mafia today. Also, because nikon claimed to have taken a hit last night, he had to have known that no one would counter claim him. Either the mafia have 2 kp and they stacked, or they had one extra KP for some reason, or he just assumed the SK would not reveal himself. regarding the bus driver role, if caller is mafia, it could simply not exist, OR it could belong to town, and no one is claiming it because they would probably get lynched for claiming it. Sorry this isnt very organized, but I'm typing my ideas out as i think of them. So, Abenson opz jeejee fishball iaaan haster infun are town Nikon d3 LMNOP caller and/or nemy are mafia. | ||
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caller checked d3 and he showed up red. thus, if we believe that caller is town, we have to believe that d3 is town. so, with opz and abenson being confirmed as townies, and then myself, caller and d3 being townies to, that leaves jeejee haster lmnop and citizen as mafia. | ||
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I can see that I as am not confirmed, but it still stand that you and opz are confirmed and that if caller is town then d3 is town because of his checks, yes? The other option is opz abenson citizen me (but of course im not confirmed) and someone else on a team, obviously caller and citizen can't be on the same team. Still, to me at least, the question that answers everything is weather or not caller is town, we have to decide one way or the other, and then we basically know who's on what team. | ||
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All I have to say is that because there whether there are 3 or 4 mafia, they only need to kill one townie to win (would be 4:4 tonight or 3:3 the next day), so today's lynch is the only thing that matters. | ||
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I'll be back in a few hours to vote ^.^ | ||
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afk more sorry I can't be more active ##vote citizen because people who are probably townies are voting for him and they probably need my vote ^^ | ||
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On March 21 2010 09:52 Ace wrote: The Town wins if they eliminate all anti-town roles. Mafia win if they control majority of the town at any point during the day. If any 3rd party factions exist, they will have their own win conditions. If citizen is lying and he can use nukes on anyone town insta loses. maybe there is still a 2nd 3rd faction left. If d3 is town/probably wont come back before voting, then the mafia could easily just throw all their votes on one person and win I will vote for whoever needs a vote in order to get lynched, cause a no lynch would just be silly Someone should nuke me to help confirm me, I can nuke citizen if he wants to counter nuke | ||
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