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On April 06 2010 12:01 Ace wrote:
By the way starting from my last post I'm counting down 24 hours. If you haven't voted or post between that and the next 24 hours you are modkilled.
I am assuming this will be changed if the new nuke is launched, although Nikon's unexpected ability pretty messed up our plans.
By the way I like how laaan and JeeJee voted nemY again despite the vote list from Ace's last post clearly showed they already had their votes on him. Pay more attention to the game guys :p
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Oh wait. Nikon. God, why do I keep messing up these names?
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My suggestion
Confirmed Townies
Abenson
~OpZ~
Likely Townies
JeeJee
Fishball
Undecided
d3_crescentia
haster27
Elemenope
iNfuNdiBuLuM
laaan
nemY
Mafia suspect
Nikon (lol)
Caller
We lynch Nikon for: concealing his abilities (wrong roleclaim) which clearly led to the disadvantage of the town. Fishball check one person from Undecided list to prevent potential Mafia from influencing his decisions, or at least try not to follow other's suggestions beside the ones coming from two confirmed Townie. Caller is also highly likely Mafia since Japan who saved him isn't stepping out, but let him also randomly check someone out of Undecided list as well just in case. Even if he is Mafia, we can use his night action claim as material to track down the Mafia later on. Also, laaan, I am sorry but I cannot place you in the Likely Townies list yet. You got out of suspect list because you cornered Nikon, and the fact that Nikon conveniently had counter-nuke abilities he could utilize makes me think you could have tried to stage all this.
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Right. I don't find what is wrong with pointing out new possibilities that rose from Nikon having new ability. laaan would have been verified either Nikon survived the nuke, or survived the nuke himself because Mafia would not have known Veteran also had nuke-immunity. Neither of this happened, so I am not clumping him into the confirmed Townie list yet. Yes, he is probably pro-town and won't be discussed as a potential Mafia for long time, but pointing this out could be useful in far future. In fact please explain why you are suddenly being sarcastic toward me? You never explained that 'Japan statement' that you tried to use as evidence against me.
As for the lynch, I don't mind voting for Caller considering the numbers, but does that mean you are going to ask Fishball to check Nikon tonight? We have to vote him off sooner or later because he is not nuke-able. And personally I think if Nikon is Townie, he must have over Xelin-level stupidity which I hope to God does not exist in any of us. He actively encouraged people to nuke him, you know.
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On April 06 2010 21:09 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 12:04 haster27 wrote:
Is it me or those all Mafia seem to have some kind of special ability? There has been four already: Role Blocker, Bus Driver, Nuke-stealer, and Nuke-hacker. From this the fact there are at minimum 4 Mafia in the Town are confirmed. I can only hope that Ace did not underestimate how much stupid Town nukes there were going to be and put five Mafia in.
Finally I want to state that this development makes laaan in a slightly less flattering light. It feels too convenient that out of all Mafia nuke-hacker was the one that laaan's roleclaim contradicted. It could have been Mafia ploy to decrease Town's nuke/anti-nuke stockpile. Oh, by the way, the bus driver is only real if Caller isn't lying, which can be only verified by lynching him. Just throwing this out there. Personally, I've seen enough to say that laaan is an actual veteran.
I understand you perhaps wanting to conceal your ability, but why in the world would you claim as Veteran and stick to the claim even when it was highly likely that Townie was about to nuke you (in order to verify you)?
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On April 06 2010 21:29 Nikon wrote:
Because I'm a Veteran.
What do you mean?
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I want to respond I would not be stupid enough to post (evidence I was present) at the time I anti-nuked, but it's a moot point that cannot be proved anyway. Hope infund gets replaced by active player rather than him getting mod-killed (don't tell me that is what you are suggesting Ace.)
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Wait, citizen. Did you just replace infund?
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On April 07 2010 03:48 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 03:06 ~OpZ~ wrote:
...Nemy...I was defending you homie...
Why so defensive?
Haster even agreed. Which Inf was the one using hasters statement IN his long post detailing the actions of the thread.
Citizen, how does your ability work. You can retaliate, OR only nuke people that nuke you... Because Inf. framed it in a way that makes me look really bad? Doesn't really matter now that inf's not in the game anymore. Anyways... I have a (very real) nuke coming towards me and I have pretty strong suspicions on who the nuke came from (well actually... who redirected it, I was the one who lobbed the nuke out there) Show nested quote +On April 04 2010 12:58 Nikon wrote:On April 04 2010 01:15 Elemenope wrote:On April 04 2010 00:21 Nikon wrote:On April 03 2010 20:27 Elemenope wrote:On April 03 2010 20:05 Nikon wrote:On April 03 2010 17:02 Elemenope wrote:On April 03 2010 13:50 Iaaan wrote:
Last, a solid roleclaim from me, I was being ambiguous before, I am Antarctica, a veteran. My powers are 1 extra life against nukes, and 1 extra life against night hits. This makes me suspicious of nikon still, if we are both veterans, why are our roles different? I asked him a little bit about his role on the last page, from what he has said it doesn't sound like he has an extra life against nukes. This is interesting, and from this, only one thing comes to mind - though I'd like to hear Nikon's take about Iaaan claiming veteran before coming to a decision. Well, it would make sense to have more than one Veteran in a setup where there are multiple parties that can nightkill... You seem to be confused. I'm not interested about the fact that there are multiple people role claiming as 'Veteran'. What I'm more interested about is the fact that these same two roles have different abilities, yet you seem to be fine with this. We have you who claimed to be hit during the night, yet you are wondering if Iaaan's claim of a free nuke block during the day is true or not, going so far as to launch a nuke at him. Yet Iaaan is also claiming to be a veteran with a free nuke block and a free night hit block, and you don't find this surprising even when he roleclaimed the same role as you? You seem quite casual about this and I can only guess that due to the difference of abilities of the same claimed roles: One or both of you are lying about your roleclaims. Yeah, except that laaan said that he will survive nukes yesterday, and I nuked him before he claimed veteran. You assume we have different abilities because he's assuming so, based on information I said I want to withhold. What was the point in nuking him? Let's assume these things: A) You are a veteran B) Veteran ability entails a free night hit which is standard, but not as standard: a free nuke hit C) Nobody mentions that they are immune to a single nuke hit until Iaaan mentions it Given these three things, you still launch a nuke at Iaaan when only B is something Veterans could know. Iaaan could've guessed the ability, thinking it makes sense given that given that nukes are in the hands of 22 people, somebody ought to have nuke protection, even if it is a one-shot ability; however, the chance of this is very slim in my eyes, especially coupled with the fact that he says On April 03 2010 06:46 Iaaan wrote:On April 03 2010 01:37 Nikon wrote:
I am a Veteran. I took a hit last night.
With that out of the way - laaan, if I nuke you, do you think it will hit? It will hit, but it wont kill me. Do you have nuke protection to? and are you arctica? in response to you role claiming Veteran. He clearly says that veterans also have a one-shot day nuke protection. Yet you go ahead and nuke him and choose to withhold your capabilities even while roleclaiming? You realize the problem with this, right? On top of this, you claim that your missile is fake which accomplishes absolutely nothing in terms of confirming whether Iaaan is truly veteran or not as his ability, which you should know, blocks a nuke hit because, as Iaaan puts it which you are also implying by not denying the fact that veterans have a one-shot nuke protection, it gives an extra life against nukes which means an actual nuke has to hit. Because of this, your only purpose in sending that nuke is to accomplish one of two things: A) Burn up an antinuke which you did so well with your first nuke, or B) Burn up a veteran's extra nuke protection Both of which do not help the town at all. So perhaps you could explain why you thought that someone stating he possesses an ability that hasn't been mentioned by anybody until then which somehow conveniently matches your ability would deserve a nuke in order to prove this ability? If he's not veteran: congratulations, you probably killed scum since he lied, but this means you also lied about your fake nuke on Zona. If he is veteran: you burned his day protection and you lied about your fake nuke on Zona. If your missile is a dud: you accomplished nothing at all in terms of extra information for the town and we have no confirmation of your first missile. What was really going through your mind when you decided to nuke Iaaan? Nuke me to find out. Why shouldn't we move forward to lynch Nikon? I'm not sure. ##Vote Nikon
I'm just curious, why are you placing your vote on Nikon if you think someone else chose to direct the nuke?
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At least one thing is clear; Japan is Mafia, thus Caller is Mafia. The town either have no anti-nukes, or Townie having anti-nukes were afraid of using it because people were saying how Japan handles this missile will verify it's intentions. At least we have firm plan on who to lynch tomorrow; although all of us Townies will probably have to vote, I am hoping some Mafia will join in on the Caller bandwagon as well because voting someone else is going to be blatant anti-town move. Actually it would be much better if SK could hit him and leave us one less Mafia to deal with, of course.
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On April 07 2010 21:47 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 11:41 haster27 wrote:
At least one thing is clear; Japan is Mafia, thus Caller is Mafia. The town either have no anti-nukes, or Townie having anti-nukes were afraid of using it because people were saying how Japan handles this missile will verify it's intentions. At least we have firm plan on who to lynch tomorrow; although all of us Townies will probably have to vote, I am hoping some Mafia will join in on the Caller bandwagon as well because voting someone else is going to be blatant anti-town move. Actually it would be much better if SK could hit him and leave us one less Mafia to deal with, of course. I pointed this out yesterday. And everyone decided Nikon was a better target. I even suggested that NIKON WAS THE THIRD PARTY. It would A)Explain the nuke rebound and B)Explain the night hit he took. Third party's usually are a combo of vet and vig. I'm fed up with you, and I honestly think one of you and LMNOP are mafia. I'm all for lynching you to tell you the truth. I had Caller confirmed as Mafia YESTERDAY, and we lynch Nikon because "He lied about his ability so he should die" YES he SHOULD. But look at me, I seemed to catch on he was third party, and where'd my vote stay? ON CALLER, where EVERYONE else's should of been. Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 19:50 ~OpZ~ wrote:On April 06 2010 11:51 haster27 wrote:
That is possible, since nemY also was one to come out of nowhere and volunteer nuke him according to what Town was saying. However, with so little Townie numbers left, I am reluctant about risking decreasing townie number further. INfund:
"Nemy returns. Fires nukes at Nikon because he thinks the town wants him to. Actually, not many people were on so it's hard to say what anyone really wanted." Shit, I was under the impression he was following my suggestion. I believe a few agreed with me on that respect. One suspect nuking another suspect? God...Haster....Stop adding more and more to my suspicions. You even agreed it was a good idea to verify Iaaan AND/OR Nikon. Lookie here...LMNOP was pretty much the first to attack Nikon after the two vet claims. Nikon could be third party...Honestly, it would make sense for him to claim vet, because he prob had an extra night/day life being third party. Well...That's fun fun yes?
...Okay. Despite you are starting to become annoying, let me answer your post with civility.
I read all of your posts since Nikon reflected back the nuke, and that one sentence was the only time you suggested that Nikon might have been third party; the meat of your argument was that Caller should be the target because he was surely going to be 100% Mafia. And I answered clearly and consistently, NIkon must be lynched because he cannot be nuked unlike Caller.
Since NIkon now has died, of course I should refocus the Town effort into lynching Caller, especially since all of us will have to vote for him to overcome Mafia votes.
What I cannot comprehend is why you would be fed up with me for advocating Nikon lynch, while you conveniently ignore the fact everyone voted him also just like you repeatedly stated in your post. Nikon encouraged people to nuke him- and his general behaviour not only convinced me but others that he should be the one up for the lynch day 2. Seriously, if I did not know you were Mason, I would think you were trying to bandwagon me or something.
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On April 08 2010 03:20 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 00:31 haster27 wrote:
NIkon must be lynched because he cannot be nuked unlike Caller.
If "One shot Survivor" in Ace's post is meant what it is supposed to mean, Nikon should be able to reflect 1 nuke only.
But I didn't know that. It feels kind of sucks knowing Nikon IS third party though. I expected third party, considering their role, would try to keep themselves alive as much as possible.
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We lynch Caller.
##Vote Caller
He is definitely Mafia because I have just been roleblocked. SInce Fishball was killed off by Mafia, if Caller truly had blue occupation, Mafia would have chosen to roleblock him instead of random player. Don't know what made them think I had any special abilities rofl.
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So why wasn't you roleblocked?
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It is obvious that Caller is Mafia- his behaviour and that post he just made is so terrible and unconvincing that I am forced to believe the purpose of that post was not to convince the town, but to serve as excuse for some "idiot Townies" to not vote for Caller.
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Going through what I believe are major point of your posts because some people are starting to make strange votes.
On April 08 2010 03:54 Caller wrote:roleblocking someone else guarantees lynching me = mislynch = probable town loss roleblocking me = exonerates me = unlikely lynch of me = lynch someone else = possible lynch of mafia = we're still in this
This is ridiculous. By your argument you shouldn't even accuse me of being scummy since I was "exonerated" by today's roleblock. Mafia roleblocker can always choose not to roleblock anyone for the day, so that his scum partner or himself can step up and state that he has been Roleblocked.
Seeing as how you think I am pulling Mutual Chainsaw Defense for not mentioning citizen (my post was even before you posted list of reasoning that incriminates him as Mafia), I will address your points against citizen as well and show why you are more worthy lynch target than him.
I am combining your first and fourth argument because their point seem to be similar. You argue that infund and citizen has not been that active in the thread. Okay, I am ruling citizen out from the start. He had just been replaced yesterday. How can you accuse person who just replaced in of inactivity? Hell, JeeJee even suggested he do some reading, so there is nothing strange with citizen posting that he will be looking over the thread.
Thus this is summary of your argument: Paranoid Gun Owner must be active in order to cause Mafia to night-kill him. Infund has not done this. However, only thing we know is that he is only able to counter against nukes launched to him. Nothing has been spoken about him being immune to night kills. Because every activity seems to be being carried in terms of nukes (proved by RoL who launched a nuke instead of insta-killing his target after death), it is possible what infund has said could be his entire ability. I just feel like you are making too many assumptions here about role you don't know which makes me uncomfortable.
Also why in the world would you check infund out of all the suspects? Since you are so convinced that his role meant automatic retaliation, you should have avoided him at all costs and checked me like ~OpZ~ suggested. Look, everyone agreed that Mafia and Townie numbers were getting dangerously close, and keeping even one Townie alive was important. So why would you ignore recommendation from confirmed Townie and on your own make a decision that could have costed your life? If infund indeed have been paranoid gun owner (Townie), you (Townie Detective) would have been killed. Thus your took unnecessary action that would have placed the Town in worse position.
Accidental edit. Any mods who can see the content of the post before my accidental edit please confirm I have backed up my posted completely.
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On April 08 2010 08:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm in class.
And seriously? You understand mis-lynching today will cause Town to lose, feels like voting me out because I advocated for Nikon's death instead of Caller, yet you would suddenly flop your position like this? I will eagerly await your explanation.
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On April 07 2010 21:47 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 11:41 haster27 wrote:
At least one thing is clear; Japan is Mafia, thus Caller is Mafia. The town either have no anti-nukes, or Townie having anti-nukes were afraid of using it because people were saying how Japan handles this missile will verify it's intentions. At least we have firm plan on who to lynch tomorrow; although all of us Townies will probably have to vote, I am hoping some Mafia will join in on the Caller bandwagon as well because voting someone else is going to be blatant anti-town move. Actually it would be much better if SK could hit him and leave us one less Mafia to deal with, of course. I pointed this out yesterday. And everyone decided Nikon was a better target. I even suggested that NIKON WAS THE THIRD PARTY. It would A)Explain the nuke rebound and B)Explain the night hit he took. Third party's usually are a combo of vet and vig. I'm fed up with you, and I honestly think one of you and LMNOP are mafia. I'm all for lynching you to tell you the truth. I had Caller confirmed as Mafia YESTERDAY, and we lynch Nikon because "He lied about his ability so he should die" YES he SHOULD. But look at me, I seemed to catch on he was third party, and where'd my vote stay? ON CALLER, where EVERYONE else's should of been.
Also, I don't care you suspect me or not. What I am asking is why you would advocate lynching someone that is not 100% mafia (citizen) over someone that is surely mafia (Caller). This was exactly what you were advocating yesterday, lynch of confirmed Mafia (Caller) over someone that is not 100% mafia (Nikon). And lynch target alternative to Mafia today being accused by Caller himself, I cannot understand why you would not continue following principle you strongly argued for when the lynch target was far much more scummy.
Mislynch today will result in Mafia victory. The town must lynch Mafia, thus it is beneficial for the Town to lynch someone who is most likely Mafia. The other Mafia suspects can be lynched next day. Voting for citizen because he shares same opinion as me is ridiculous. To oppose Caller is to support citizen. And I am willing to believe most Townie will share my belief in importance of voting out confirmed Mafia today. However, according to your argument anyone that defends citizen is automatic scum. In fact, when someone comes out to argue that Caller is being non-sensical, citizen is placed in worse position because his "scum buddies" are rallying to rescue him! Of course meanwhile it is not anti-town to follow words of confirmed Mafia and vote citizen.
Look, you two are confirmed Townie, and in current state of the town all the Townies need to vote for the same person to get someone lynched. That means that if Mafia does not join in the person Town is rallying against, voting for the person you voted for will be the only way Townie can keep the Mafia from controlling the vote. Which is why I strongly recommend you change your votes to Caller after some consideration, and argue about lynching me or citizen next day. Is this acceptable?
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On April 08 2010 12:09 citi.zen wrote:
In fact, in this game I'm allowed to vote for myself, so here:
##Vote citi.zen
GG town.
NO. GODDAMN IT. I WILL NOT ALLOW TOWN TO FAIL THIS MUCH.
I am leaving soon, but I will try to find hole in Caller's argument and turn the game around by tomorrow. Please extract your retarded self-vote NOW.
By the way, Caller can you please clarify this portion of my previous post? Your choice of role-check makes no sense at all.
Also why in the world would you check infund out of all the suspects? Since you are so convinced that his role meant automatic retaliation, you should have avoided him at all costs and checked me like ~OpZ~ suggested. Look, everyone agreed that Mafia and Townie numbers were getting dangerously close, and keeping even one Townie alive was important. So why would you ignore recommendation from confirmed Townie and on your own make a decision that could have costed your life? If infund indeed have been paranoid gun owner (Townie), you (Townie Detective) would have been killed. Thus your took unnecessary action that would have placed the Town in worse position.
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Thank goodness. Currently writing big post raping JeeJee's argument. Probably will finish in another 30 minutes.
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