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Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
March 31 2010 16:05 GMT
#1546
okay well. i want the town to start discussing nuke targets.

who does town think should be nuked?
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
March 31 2010 16:34 GMT
#1549
umm. which is why i said i want the town to start discussing it. so we could make a decision together.

if i wanted to launch a nuke, i'd just do it haster. but i don't want any nukes launched without town consensus.
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
March 31 2010 16:36 GMT
#1550
meeple said some things earlier that confirmed him as a green in my eyes, i didn't think he was a blue. but since i decided he was pro-town, i just ignored everyone attacking him.
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
March 31 2010 21:54 GMT
#1591
xelin, i can't take any of your arguments seriously because you're trying to predict ace's actions. as i said early on in the thread, ace is liable to do any effing thing. you can't base your rationale on what he would or would not do. how many games run by ace have you played in? two, max. i've played in 20+. the only thing you know is that he's going to try to make it fair, and mafia having no nukes is kind of a ridiculous thought.

also, trying to make an argument for or against anything in a game based on the mod is by far the silliest thing i've ever read in a game. the mod is a neutral figure. no alliance to either side. the mod wants to see/ run a good game, so handicapping one side goes against the mod's objective.

you need better reasoning.
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
April 01 2010 16:22 GMT
#1690
went to a concert last night and then partied afterward with the band. tried to read the thread @ like 4am CST but was far too high to concentrate. i'll try to catch up now, though i am @ work
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
April 01 2010 16:47 GMT
#1691
first off: protect fishball, NOT caller. if you protect caller, you're an idiot.

secondly. i'll go with the mass roleclaim idea for day 3. it's dumb as all get out to do it now, when it can benefit the mafia in determining their night kill(s). the only reason i am agreeing with it in this situation is because if something doesn't happen day 3, this is pretty much game over due to the numbers. and if this is what the town wants to do, i'll go with it.
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
April 01 2010 16:47 GMT
#1692
On April 01 2010 15:16 Elemenope wrote:
I come back and I see some interesting things.

First off, Iaaan's ability claim is a fairly interesting one. I only have one question to ask though - would you be willing to be nuked by someone to confirm this? If not, why not?

As for fishball's message:
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On April 01 2010 10:35 Fishball wrote:
Nikon, for trying to extend the day for the N'th time with his last minute nuke, against town consensus (duh), at an arguably lesser target based on general consensus, Zona.


I still don't see the reasoning behind this nuke quite honestly. For one, it was largely last moment, I think within the last 5 minutes, no? Two: It's directed at, at least in my opinion, a very pro-town player. And three: it ended up using an anti-nuke. True, we can't confirm the legitimacy of your nuke, but we also can't prove this unless we use Iaaan's claim which I'll address later.

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Caller, lurking and laying low. Of course this alone wouldn't be enough for him to make the top of my list.

Listen up, I am France, a Tracker. One of my abilities is to track who visited who at Night. I used this ability on Caller during Night

...

the most likely scenario is that Caller is red and he killed Meeple.


Going with the assumption that a) Fishball is a tracker who b) can target one person each night and follow that person, it sort of makes sense that Fishball hasn't posted largely during day 1. Caller did seem quite suspicious so I can see why Fishball would track him.

This hinges on the assumption though, that Fishball is indeed a tracker. His story does make sense and gives justifications to his actions back on the eternal Day 1 with him not posting as much. I assume this was to not seem high-priority, though you can correct me if it was done for a different reason.

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On April 01 2010 11:18 Caller wrote:
Well, gentlemen and woman, my idea of coming clean has been most rudely interrupted.

I am Israel, an Alignment Cop.

...

Since he came out scummy, and he was in fact innocent, that narrows it down to insane or paranoid, i.e. that my checks come out reversed, or all countries appear as mafia to my agents.


I'm not sure where to start with this. I don't know whether to say it's conjured up because fishball tracked him, or if this is the case. What I'm confused about is why Nikon? For both sides actually. Nikon was suspicious, at least in my eyes, for firing the nuke on Zona. So I can slightly understand the DT check, though I think it'd be better served on a few other players. As for the bus, I haven't an idea why Nikon and meeple be switched. The whole thing looks a bit sketchy to me and I'd keep an eye on this personally.

lol@the youtube video

Now, given that Zona's confirmed vigilante, let's look at this post:
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On April 01 2010 14:05 Zona wrote:
Alright. Things I want the town to look at in case I die.

Caller's claim is well-crafted, but coincidentally very convenient. First, take note of Foolishness's quote on Ace's general dislike of Bus Driver roles. So that's one point against the claim. But let's assume there is a bus driver, and the bus driver happens to work the way Caller claims. It's too convenient that the bus driver happened to switch Nikon (someone who everyone is suspicious of, and thus a reasonable player to check) and meeple (someone who died). It's convenient that Caller can now claim cop without providing any useful information at all (perhaps he has none). Remember that this is something Caller came up with to otherwise explain the very suspicious track that Fishball claims to have tracked Caller with.


This should be noted and kept in mind. We'll have to look at what Caller posts in terms of information and veracity in order to ascertain his role claim. This also extends to Fishball as well. Since both of these players have roleclaimed, there's no reason for them to withhold any of their night actions once the Day post goes up each time, unless someone can show me otherwise.



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I would say it's highly likely that the balance to the fact that the mafia has such low KP is their power to nuke. As well, notice that someone claims to have their nukes stolen. It's very possible that these nukes are now in mafia hands.


I find this particular piece of information to be a bit troublesome. Someone has had their nuclear weapons stolen. It's particularly troublesome if indeed that this ability is within mafia realm. Especially with the fuckup of Day 1, we are already at Moderate, which is assuming that we have reached approximately half of the ToD. With no mafia found yet, I only hope we have enough anti-nukes to fend off any surprise nuke raid or such.

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If we guess that the setup includes 3-5 mafia and 1 serial killer, then with 16-18 town members and 3 regular deaths per cycle: one lynch, one mafia kill, one sk kill, (we can afford 3 or 4 days of mislynching before we're boned, if we didn't nuke. However, since we've lost quite a few town members to impulsive nukes, the town might be in a losing situation as quickly as day or night 3.

It probably will be a good idea to mass claim and consensus (not impulsive individually) nuke on day 3 if nothing improves between now and then.

If I'm correct that one of the night kills is from the serial killer, eliminating this serial killer will give the town a substantial amount of breathing room it didn't have before.


This is vital. Guys, the first day really set us back. We are down *several* people due to impulsiveness. 3 people are going to die every day barring medic-prots and no-lynches. With no-lynches, we are still going down 2 people every day. We currently have 13 players alive going into night phase which means we may potentially sit at 11 players coming out. We absolutely need to find scum asap.



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To the rest of you town members: Stop lying. Lying hurts the town because the town is trying to work together to figure things out, and lying leads us off track. If the people who are lying so much and diverting the town's attention are actually town, I'm aghast at how you play.
Stop ignoring anti-town actions under the umbrella of "idiot/impulsive" townie.

This. Townies have no reason to lie. The objective of this game isn’t to ‘survive’ or ‘kill all the mafia yourself’, it’s to get rid of all the scum as a whole. The whole reason we are together as a town is because we need to play as a collective town. This impulsive nuke shooting really set us back a lot on day 1, and now on day 2, we’re down another two blues because one of them had a feeling. It is imperative that we work as a town instead of just doing what we feel like individually.

I have a plan that I would like implement tomorrow that does involve roleclaiming after the day post; however, DO NOT ROLE CLAIM TONIGHT. You can roleclaim after the day post goes up, that’s fine. You can wait until after my plan. Whatever. Just whatever you do, do not role claim during this night.

For tomorrow
I would like to see the results of the findings from both Fishball and Caller, explaining why they also chose whoever they chose to track/investigate. With this information, and the role claiming tomorrow, then I hope we can make up for the mishaps during days 1 and 2 and win.

If anybody is in opposition of the roleclaiming on day 3
I’d like to hear reasons why. There may have been something I’ve overlooked and it’s really important we get a good solid plan, so I’m open to criticism, suggestions, or changes to the roleclaiming idea.


this is a very useful post. just thought i would draw attention to it.
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
April 01 2010 19:22 GMT
#1696
On April 02 2010 03:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:
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On April 02 2010 00:41 haster27 wrote:
I don't necessarily agree with it, but I'll go along with it if that is the Town concensus. It's just that roles like Detective and Tracker become more and more powerful the longer they collect information (especially with the confusion between idiot Townie and, well, normal Mafia).

We got a tracker and a...weird dt....claim....so...

-_-...So much bs nuking...Guess I can't talk much, but at least my target was a suspect. -_- GOD dammit Xelin and Versatile ><


umm, wanna add nikon and RoL to that well?

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jackass.
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
April 02 2010 02:14 GMT
#1707
almost time for the post, right?
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
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