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Nice of you to respond now that we mention you.
On March 28 2010 23:01 Nikon wrote:
I just love it how everyone points me out as a not very active poster. What do you want me to do on the first day?
Post your plans, comments on plans, who you're suspicious of, what actions seem anti-town, etc. Plus posting isn't just to add to the discussion, but to allow the town to get a read on YOU. If you don't give us anything to work with, lurker scum can use you as someone to hide among. If you're town, that is.
On March 28 2010 23:01 Nikon wrote:
It's not like we had any info up to now, thanks to you high post count guys going apeshit insane and leveling a good portion of the population. Excuse me if I don't spam up the thread because I don't want to get nuked by you crazy sobs.
One, we do have information we can work with, even though day 1 information isn't solid. We have 4 cardflips, we have one votelist, and we have a substantial amount of discussion, including plans and discussion about upcoming lynches (and some players have proposed revenge-nukes). And of course the launched nukes. Feel free to comment on it. Two, way to generalize about us and attribute nuking to the many of us who are posting a lot yet NOT nuking. And about not wanting to get nuked...play to help your team win, not necessarily to survive the longest.
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On March 28 2010 22:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
And the stance as in putting Caller back at the top of suspects.
Just so that no one actually considers this version of events as the correct interpretation - note that my posts have me stating that Versatile is my top candidate for the next lynch, if no new information surfaces.
On March 28 2010 22:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
But look how many of our suspects supported letting Caller get merc'd by the nuke?
Sure that coulda been a scum ploy to pretend it and then knock it out at the last minute, but I think the mafia woulda anti-nuked it a little later than that.
Are you saying that just because the "suspects" (who we do not currently know the alignment of) were against anti-nuking the nuke towards Caller that he's town? Now note that I haven't declared that he surely is mafia - I've just pointed out his behavior is incredibly unusual - but two things to note:
One, there's no reason to heavily consider the "suspects" actions in relation to Caller until we're sure about the alignment of the "suspects". If we do find out they're scum, or town, then we can use this information. Also, if the mafia did have anti-nukes and if Caller was mafia, fellow mafia could say anything to the town about not saving Caller and there would be no problem for them.
Right now you probably have the most town credibility now since you went out of your way to claim masons to save Abenson. Since this move has very little benefit if you were really scum and lying (why associate yourself with Abenson), but has some benefit if you are telling the truth (prevent a townie from being lynched), I would say that it paints you in a more townie light. Try not to spread bad ideas with your position.
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We have 3 nuke-initiators. If we get no further information I'm comfortable lynching any among them. But we haven't even hit the first night yet, why don't we at least wait to see what information surfaces before we talk about an event that's far in the future?
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Unless you guys are all continuing to suggest that nukes be used against them? (Allowing them to throw more nukes back?)
Sigh. Well that's not under my control.
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On March 29 2010 00:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 22:50 Zona wrote:On March 28 2010 22:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
No...more the fact you were one of the people willing to let someone I confirmed die by lynch... Wat. Who did you confirm that I voted to lynch? Plus interesting you rage at tree.hugger and Xelin but not Versatile - why this discrepancy? Abenson...You kept wanting to kill him after I posted we were masons. I mean, again, before you discredit my claim, I did breadcrumb the mans name so after my own death flipped me mason he can pop out and be like "oh hai guys, I'm townie" I feel thats kinda a strong claim... Ya know?
I had a feeling you had misinterpreted everything...could you reread post 385 and 388 as well as all the posts surrounding them?
I was the FIRST person to unvote Abenson in reaction to your mason claim. I read between the lines that you were claiming masons with Abenson before you fully claimed and unvoted then.
When did I even try to discredit your claim?
And after those posts I have nothing stating that I wanted to kill Abenson nor did I ever vote him again...
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I did say your claim may not be true - but that is standard for any claim. That's not actively going out to discredit it. And I definitely didn't go after Abenson again, except for never contributing and taking AGES to confirm his end of the claim.
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So OpZ, is it still your interpretation that I was trying to kill Abenson after your mason claim?
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if you have 20 posts per page (this is page 61 for you), then page 20 (just divide by 20, +1 for remainder). I would quote the posts here as well, but you need to see how my vote switch away from Abenson is before everyone else's, so seeing my posts ordered with everyone else's is important.
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I don't even know if I should bother putting so much effort in here. If being the first to switch a vote away from a mason claim is somehow interpreted as constantly trying to kill the mason in question...
sigh.
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On March 29 2010 01:09 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2010 00:59 Versatile wrote:
it's on page 20, if that helps. it's easy to determine that zona believed the mason claim before many others, as he was the one who started the bandwagon on RoL after the claim. It was never really a big deal to me anyway. Just can't trust everyone with a big long post...
Not a big deal to you? It's a big deal to me.
You, the player with the best townie credentials so far in the game, accused me of the exact opposite of what I did. If you're trying to win, you need to make sure misinformation is minimized.
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On March 29 2010 01:16 XeliN wrote:
Someone asked to expound on my believing LMNOP to be mafia, the whole OpZ Abenson thing was the most important in swaying, once OpZ came out as being homosexual Mason. It seemed fairly obvious when considering the hypothetical of them being mafia, that they were legitimate and yet lMNOP attempted to continue to have Abenson lynched. This in itself could go both ways like OpZ in that you could say "if it was so obvious then the mafia would not risk trying to carry on with lynching him" however, at the time there was still a large number of votes on Abenson and a legitimate chance of having him lynched.
I have to say I like this point. I'll have to re-read that portion of the game (yet again) to analyze it further.
On March 29 2010 01:16 XeliN wrote:
I have claimed North Korea, Already you know NK has the ability to launch nukes anonymously. Do you really think this ability would go to mafia? Either I am not NK (in which case the real one should come forward as it would out me as mafia essentially) or I am townie, in this case kim jong townie.
This argument, I don't buy. I believe you are North Korea and I believe you launched that nuke. There's no advantage to anyone admitting this information (including you), it was just a bad move. The question isn't whether or not you're North Korea, but whether or not you're town. You could be North Korea and anti-town. And I wouldn't be half surprised if a serial killer, or mafia, had the ability to launch nukes anonymously. Actually, your flawed argument that "I'm either town or NOT North Korea" doesn't help me look at you in a positive light.
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All these edits in the thread...do we not have rules? Can I just go edit my own posts and blame some sort of mistake as well?
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On March 29 2010 01:27 meeple wrote:
On the other hand... we really should be hunting red.
I'm with you on this.
I'm not saying that Versatile, tree.hugger, Xelin should be left alone. But we shouldn't focus all our attention there. That's why I started analyzing our lower-postcount players in addition to everything else we've been doing.
In any case, to reiterate what I said in my big post that everyone doesn't seem to have any response to, right now in terms of tangible actions we can either nuke OR wait out the rest of the day and the night. And since nuking with the little information we have on day 1 is likely to hit town, we might as well wait and see more information before we decide who to lynch on day 2.
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Unilateral kills and kills by mafia grant far less information than lynches. Lynches involve a more substantial amount of debate, as well as a vote count that is tangible and takes much more effort to manipulate than words that can be interpreted or misinterpreted in many ways. A dead player's cardflip does have some use on its own, but the true value of it is when we examine how other players acted towards the now-dead player, now that the dead player's alignment is known.
We definitely don't have as much information as we would have in a normal day 3. Honestly I think we're off to a pretty rocky start.
I'm definitely not happy you've gone on and joined the nuke-initiating party.
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On March 29 2010 06:06 Fishball wrote:
Don't feel like quoting all the posts that includes my name in the past few pages.
All I have to say is, you guys are chasing ghosts. I've already mentioned this once.
Have fun nuking each other. How many nukes have been launched in the "first day" already?
There is nothing for me to say.
This is no defense. It feels like you don't really care about surviving, or the game? Or you hope that it'll blow over and you'll be forgotten?
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On March 29 2010 10:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Also, don't lump me in with them. I'm nuking someone who is highly suspicious...
Each of those that you're trying to avoid being "lumped" with also thought like you did. They all nuked someone highly suspicious in their mind.
Did you just ignore the entire argument where the earlier in the game, the less information all town players have, and the more likely they will screw up their unrestrained kills and hit fellow town members? Right now you've just declared that you're better than everyone else...and you're not.
You say it's like day 3. It's not. We only have one concluded vote count. We don't have any flipped mafia, so we don't have any mafia statements we're sure of that we can examine for collusion with other probable members.
You've just added to the crapshoot that has already gotten 3 town members killed (1 killed by lynch). Perhaps probability will dictate that you'll score this time, or perhaps not, but you're not playing to further the best interests of the town.
This game is town vs mafia, not a bunch of lone rangers working alone vs mafia.
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It's highly frustrating to try to form a plan, get others to examine and critique it, revise and improve the plan, get more feedback until it's solid, examine other player's statements, work to gather votes, and then have a few "my judgement is better than everyone else's" nukers blow everything to hell.
If we lose, do you think you guys bear no fault of your own?
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At this point, day 1, town nukes have so little information and will likely hit town. 3 town members have already been hit by nukes. So "using up the ToD threshold" might deny the room to nuke to mafia, but it's not helping the town. Who is dying? It's not mafia!
Second of all, as long as the town is restrained in nuking, I'm all for mafia nuking. They greatly risk revealing themselves when they shoot. Of course all this is no longer possible thanks to our trigger-happy town nukers.
Thirdly, I DETEST the argument that getting towards the ToD strictly removes nukes as an option from the other side. Sure, you make it harder for the other side to win with nukes. But you also GRANT them the option of forcing a draw using nukes if they're close to losing. Why is everyone just looking at one side of things and not the other side with the consequences or alternatives?
I feel like I'm just shouting into thin air. Obviously none of these egotistical nuke-initiators are listening. Why did the town bother going through the debate to put together a collective plan that offered a reasonable path to victory when you folks simply do your own thing?
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It's not that I don't suspect (insert person here) - but I know that at this point in the game no matter how strong my gut feeling, it's not a "sure thing".
All the previous nukers probably thought their targets were highly suspicious. Look where it's gotten us.
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LOL. With the players that we have, nukes would never have been a town advantage. Just take a look at how well they've been used so far.
And consider that the mafia has 1 KP, for such a big game with so many players. Their advantage surely isn't in the number they can kill each night.
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