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On March 30 2010 06:40 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 06:36 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On March 30 2010 06:34 Nikon wrote:On March 30 2010 06:31 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On March 30 2010 06:27 Nikon wrote:
The nuke is a fake. Rest easy. Are you FUCKING serious? No, we cannot rest easy. You can claim the nuke is a fake and that's fine, but the fact is none of us know and you have instilled yet another dilemma into the proceedings of the town. Zona is one of our most pro town members, and you have gone and launched a nuke at him and may have already drawn out an anti nuke. If the anti nuke hasn't been fired then there is surely debate about whether or not to do it. If you are town then this is one of the DUMBEST things you could have possibly done. if you are mafia, good job i guess, but you're getting lynched tomorrow. Nah, everything is under control. I just want to know: what could you have possibly been thinking that made you decide this was a good idea? Please. Allow me a glimpse into the netherworld of your brain. I'm thinking that about a quarter of the town is already dead, and it's still Day 1. That's drastic, we can't just go on trying to lynch mafia the normal way, as they've already been given a solid headstart. Also, our medic is dead, noone knows if there's a second one, and given the numer of players, and the fact that some of the people might just have anti-nukes instead, it's logical to conclude that there's no second medic, and so mafia pretty much have guaranteed nightkills.
Your fake nuke does not help the town in anyway. In fact, I will be happy if it had not soaked up one of our anti-nukes already.
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On March 30 2010 06:43 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 06:42 haster27 wrote:
Your fake nuke does not help the town in anyway. In fact, I will be happy if it had not soaked up one of our anti-nukes already. I'm pretty sure that it hasn't unless you personally shot it down already?
If I had, L definitely would not have died and the town would be in far better condition already.
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I asked the same thing via PM, and he said it was because it was weekend. So, since Monday has returned, we can hope to see some lurkers being actively replaced.
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On March 30 2010 08:39 Caller wrote:
i just wish the day will end...
You are hilarious.
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Okay, these NK gives us two things we can think about:
Most obvious of them is the fact that two of the players had been killed instead of one. This points to three possibilites:
1) Mafia has more than one KP- this theory has been tossed about here and there by some players, due to the Ace's ambiguous wording in his OP ("Mafia have night kills just like in normal games. Mafia can kill 1 player per night no matter how many of them are alive.") Personally I reject this theory because Amber[light] was one of the Town's inactive suspects and cannot see for now how his death would benefit the Mafia team. Thus we can assume that Amber[light] was unfortunate enough to be targetted by either of these two roles...
2) Vigilante- plausible, because as just mentioned, Amber[light] was Town's main suspect. This is good because as the day is about to end we can make a post asking them to kill certain players if necessary. Don't like how he targetted Amber[light] as there were much more better targets, but eh, extra KP in town's side is not really that bad at all (besides nukes).
3) Serial Killer- this is also probable, since SK wouldn't want his hit stacking with Mafia kill, and Mafia probably will not target someone who is being suspected of Mafia.
Second, I am interested how Mafia went for meeple - which turned out to have blue role - instead of targetting any of the active posters (Jeejee, Zona, myself) or confirmed Townie. (~OpZ~, Abenson). Meeple wasn't thought as that much pro-town by majority of the town either, so I am beginning to wonder if it was just random hit or Mafia by some means was able to deduce meeple's alignment.
Also, from Jeejee's post, we also have two more confirmed roles in this game: roleblocker and role that can steal nukes (most likely from anti-town). I have nothing more to add except that this gives another reason that one should try to keep quiet about his abilities unless necessary.
And, oh yeah, I bet everyone is seeing this coming.
##Vote: Xelin
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On April 01 2010 01:05 Versatile wrote:
okay well. i want the town to start discussing nuke targets.
who does town think should be nuked?
No. Okay, calmed down. I agree with the necessity of the nuke considering Townie death: Mafia death ratio, but we must make decision COLLECTIVELY. I cannot stress this enough.
On April 01 2010 01:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Upon further thought, i'm not so sure that Ace would put in a 3rd party with an independent set of victory conditions without mentioning it in the original post. Doing so would be a huge advantage to that person(s). While roles aren't listed, the town/mafia factions are and there is even the phrase "all countries are divided into two factions."
Therefore I think we can rule out SK, VI, etc.
What i think happened is mafia hits meeple (bluesnipe) and vigi hits amber. Mafia hit meeple because he was getting called out for not posting a lot, but he kept saying he was pro town, being active, helping etc. and so mafia knows meeple is not one of them and thus he is giving away his blue role.
I still cannot understand what made meeple exceedingly stand out though. Is what you mentioned standard behaviour of blue role?
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Right. I just wanted to state it again just in case, because day 1 was just... urgh.
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On April 01 2010 05:06 XeliN wrote:
my nuke on zona is fake.
Highlighted for emphasis just in case someone missed it. Also, all the suspects I have advocated were all those who had went against the anti-nuke policy. Now if some Townies had not decided to play stupidly and nuke player which most of them turned out to be green, my strategy would have lynched Mafia pretty effectively.
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Lots of... things seemed to have happened while I was occupied with that other game.
I have nothing to say anything about Xelin except good riddance. He played just like North Korea in the game, ignoring what people thought, even lying about validity of his nuke to successfully bomb the obvious pro-town player. Only thing we got out of this debacle is that, like ~OpZ~ mentioned, the player's country itself cannot be used to indicate that player's scumminess as two countries that is thought as "axis of evil" have proven to be blue and pro-town.
This is one of his ridiculous ideas that I find a need to reject:
On April 01 2010 05:14 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 05:11 haster27 wrote:On April 01 2010 05:06 XeliN wrote:
my nuke on zona is fake. Highlighted for emphasis just in case someone missed it. Also, all the suspects I have advocated were all those who had went against the anti-nuke policy. Now if some Townies had not decided to play stupidly and nuke player which most of them turned out to be green, my strategy would have lynched Mafia pretty effectively. If you are townie your strategy was idiotic as the mafia are unlikely even to have any nukes, and if they do they are sparse.
Which is why Jeejee found himself one nukes short. Everyone should plan under assumption Mafia is saving up decent pile of nukes, because otherwise they can just attempt to bomb us down to bring our numbers equal or lower than them.
I find laaan claim also very convenient, with the fact that nuking him will do nothing but raise ToD. but I can see Ace putting such abilities in especially since he has already suggested some players having secondary means of defense against nuke. If - I put if here because I am going to play Devil's Advocate later - we are going to roleclaim, then he should be one of the major detective check considerations.
I find Fishball's claim very believable. Tracker is very powerful ability we have since anyone that goes to other players is likely to be Mafia- it is not kind of role Mafia can afford to ignore just to plant a seed of doubt on us. As for the Caller's counter roleclaim I find iffy. First off, I agree there is possibility that bus driver tried to frame Caller; if he isn't Mafia, they are obviously going to know from Caller's odd comments that he is blue role, which they could exploit by bus driving him toward meeple. But this possibility is garbage. They don't even know there are Tracker in the game, and if there are, what are the chances of Tracker checking Caller out of all the other suspects? It could be argued that Mafia bus driver'd Caller just to prevent him from using his abilities, but then it would have been more efficient for Mafia to roleblock Caller since bus driver probably have limited amount of times he can use his abilities. I say unless Jeejee's plan goes successfully due to medic save, we lynch him.
Okay, also the idea of mass role-claim seem to be getting popular. I don't see anyone trying to find flaws in this plan, so this is my few pennies. First, we know Mafia can roleblock and steal nukes; is revealing all blue roles they can strategically kill/nuke/block really such a good idea? Second, the plan goes around the assumption that some Mafia will choose to claim as blue. It is true green-claimers are going to be suspected more than blue-claimers, but at this state of the Town they only have to keep themselves alive for just few more days- especially if 3 people are going to die every day as you claim. Obviously I could be missing something here, but I think the disadvantages of the plan - endangering blue roles - are greater than potential benefits.
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I don't necessarily agree with it, but I'll go along with it if that is the Town concensus. It's just that roles like Detective and Tracker become more and more powerful the longer they collect information (especially with the confusion between idiot Townie and, well, normal Mafia).
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Note that Xelin was the one who started all this "endless day" thing by launching NK nuke too.
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Well, night kill is surprising. I understand Mafia might have been afraid of getting their NK nullified by medic protection, but I did not expect them to hit Versatile out of all people. But then she started playing fine for the past days, so I'll check if there was something she said that could have alarmed the Mafia. Do not have much to say until ~OpZ~ and Caller comes forward- actually, it would be better Caller spoke up first so the ~OpZ~ (confirmed Townie) can verify his words rather than giving chance for Caller to adjust his statement according to what ~OpZ~ said.
We are also carrying on with the roleclaim plan, right? I am Portugal, pro-town and vanilla Townie. (by the way, Abenson, maybe you should have delayed roleclaiming as UK until the night ended.)
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Okay, this is the posts Versatile had made in night 2.
-told people to protect Fishball instead of Caller; agreed with massive roleclaiming.
Sensible move, but is opinion shared by majority of the Townies.
-tried to bring attention to Elemenope post which stated: Caller's roleclaim should not be trutsed, Fishball's claim should be seen with wary eyes, necessity of saving anti-nukes, necessity of killing Serial Killer, and approval of roleclaim plan.
I am not sure Mafia will kill someone for highlighting someone else's post, but could have tried to not bring direct attention to this post by targeting the messenger instead of writer. I don't see anything here that would alarm the Mafia either though. Caller is already seen with suspicion, although I think people are more trusting of Fishball's Tracker claim. With today's NK being only one, I am not sure how much this statement would hold up. (Or maybe Versatile was killed by SK, and Mafia tried to hit Fishball but failed?) Roleclaim everyone seemed to agree with except me at the beginning.
-fought a little bit with ~OpZ~ over her past non-concensus nuking.
I think Townie brawling with each other is actually beneficial to the Mafia (cough).
Looking at the summary, I cannot see a reason why Versatile would have been killed. Maybe just like meeple Mafia thought she was blue role, simply choosing to roleblock Fishball for the night. Also, I just proposed this possibility, it is possible Versatile was not killed by Mafia, and Mafia trying to hit Fishball failed. This would somewhat make sense.
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On April 03 2010 01:09 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2010 23:15 haster27 wrote:
Well, night kill is surprising. I understand Mafia might have been afraid of getting their NK nullified by medic protection, but I did not expect them to hit Versatile out of all people. But then she started playing fine for the past days, so I'll check if there was something she said that could have alarmed the Mafia. Do not have much to say until ~OpZ~ and Caller comes forward- actually, it would be better Caller spoke up first so the ~OpZ~ (confirmed Townie) can verify his words rather than giving chance for Caller to adjust his statement according to what ~OpZ~ said.
We are also carrying on with the roleclaim plan, right? I am Portugal, pro-town and vanilla Townie. (by the way, Abenson, maybe you should have delayed roleclaiming as UK until the night ended.) Well he should have checked me, but we don't know... HURRY UP GAIS POST....I'm bout to go to work!!! =(
lol revision ~OpZ~ -> Fishball.
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What is up with this inactivity? Anyway, Caller I am going to vote for you if you did not post your night action when I am back tomorrow. We were supposed to be discussing about all currently revealed roles and their validity, but without your post we cannot do that. Especially with Fishball claim that he was Roleblocked, there should be no reason for you to post what you have found. If you were pro-town you would be eager to communicate your action- lurking for 12 hours after the day post is making me believe that you are not interested in Town's benefit.
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##Vote Caller
Looks like forcing people to roleclaim is actually working. Both laaan and Nikon has claimed Veteran but with conflicting testimonies about its ability- at least one of them is likely to be Mafia. Actually, I am convinced to believe laaan's claim is more legit. This is because he came forward with accusation that could easily turn against him- this is an exceedingly great pro-town move. I mean laaan's action definitely sounds more favourable than that of Nikon who just replied it was information he simply chose to withheld, which is clearly poor choice because other Veteran (Nikon should have known this from laaan's roleclaim) would have surely come forward to report the contradiction.
However, I think Caller is better target for the lynch today. He lurks in the town and pops out when he is at chopping block because of it. He roleclaimed so there is no longer any reason for him to lurk. So why is he continuing to be unuseful to the town? He clearly is the most likely Mafia target we have at the moment.
Also, Abenson. What the hell? Are you serious?
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On April 04 2010 01:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2010 00:32 haster27 wrote:
Also, Abenson. What the hell? Are you serious? Contingency planning. It serves a nice little purpose. I'll hold the nukes for now, he'll hold them in a minute, ect. ect. ect. Ya dig?
So the Abenson nuke was just used to extend the day, if I am understanding it correctly?
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Well, I just feel disappointed in him popping up to simply say his check - and only after multiple people has brought attention to him! - and disappear. As for now, he is my top Mafia suspect so why not put pressure on him before the discussion goes on? Actually I have no problem with his check itself because checking confirmed Townies do not help him discern whether he is insane or paranoid- checking Mafia suspects will because they will pop up as innocent.
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In light of Abenson day extension, I'll withdraw my vote immediately since I realize how important this day vote must be.
##Vote Abstain
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