this will have less luzl though =(
busdriver can't guarantee the people they pick will have any things happen to them right? i.e. they could potentially waste their ability. will they know if it worked tho?
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this will have less luzl though =( busdriver can't guarantee the people they pick will have any things happen to them right? i.e. they could potentially waste their ability. will they know if it worked tho? | ||
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On March 10 2010 06:44 Incognito wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2010 06:22 Foolishness wrote: Sign me up. Questions: Will bus driver be notified if anything happened to the people he switched? (this was mentioned before but you didn't answer) I assume if a bus driver switches someone who was going to be killed onto someone who was medic protected, that person won't die correct? If a mad hatter places a bomb on person A, and bus driver switches persons A and B, will B now have a bomb? If so will the mad hatter be notified of this? If a mad hatter has a bomb on person A and dies during the night (thus person A should die) yet bus driver switches person A and B, will A still die or will B die? No, the bus driver is not notified. If a bus driver switches A, who is being killed, and B, who is being medic protected, then yes, A won't die. But B will. That is correct, B will now have a bomb. I'm not sure if the mad hatter is notified. I'll get back to you on that. All actions happen at the same time. So the switch still happens. B dies instead of A. Whoa, back up there I planned on asking this but thought it through and came to a.. totally different conclusion? Consider A who has medic protection and B who is being hit if you swap A and B, sure you swap the hit, but you also swap the medic protection, so A still dies n'est pas? | ||
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On March 10 2010 07:27 Versatile wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2010 07:15 JeeJee wrote: On March 10 2010 06:44 Incognito wrote: On March 10 2010 06:22 Foolishness wrote: Sign me up. Questions: Will bus driver be notified if anything happened to the people he switched? (this was mentioned before but you didn't answer) I assume if a bus driver switches someone who was going to be killed onto someone who was medic protected, that person won't die correct? If a mad hatter places a bomb on person A, and bus driver switches persons A and B, will B now have a bomb? If so will the mad hatter be notified of this? If a mad hatter has a bomb on person A and dies during the night (thus person A should die) yet bus driver switches person A and B, will A still die or will B die? No, the bus driver is not notified. If a bus driver switches A, who is being killed, and B, who is being medic protected, then yes, A won't die. But B will. That is correct, B will now have a bomb. I'm not sure if the mad hatter is notified. I'll get back to you on that. All actions happen at the same time. So the switch still happens. B dies instead of A. Whoa, back up there I planned on asking this but thought it through and came to a.. totally different conclusion? Consider A who has medic protection and B who is being hit if you swap A and B, sure you swap the hit, but you also swap the medic protection, so A still dies n'est pas? i would think that the only thing that switches are the people, and that the actions are stationary. IE) person A is protected. person B is hit. bus driver hits the switch. now person A is hit, and person B is protected. i could be wrong though, the mod(s) can clarify. right. i misread what incog wrote >.< was in a rush so just as he wrote, If a bus driver switches A, who is being killed, and B, who is being medic protected, then yes, A won't die. But B will. and also, A will have medic prot? | ||
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lets get this show on the road ETA on day1 post? | ||
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On March 11 2010 03:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: there is most likely only 1 of each blue role, i would keep that in mind. 2 meds could perma protect someone in this game, so most likely only one. Dt's have unlimited rc's so most likely only 1. Hatter has 2 kp (with bombs) so most likely is only one hatter, or 1-2 vigi's as having both roles would have too high a KP (would be more than the mafia in one night). Possibly 1 vet, millers 1-2. I am feelShinbi and I approve of this message. | ||
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On March 11 2010 03:36 Vivi57 wrote: ok, with this format the detective should roleclaim and get elected as mayor. The second dt can check him on n1 to make sure he's legit. Yes, this leaves some possibility of gf getting mayor as a dt, but we should be able to see through fake role checks soon enough. With a dt as mayor, we can amass a large group of confirmed townies and use that to win. Ignore anything ace says about lynching all claimers, this move is too powerful to ignore. do you even read this thread like at all? | ||
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now working to get elected as DT, that's another matter entirely..[/b] | ||
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I'M RUNNING FOR MAYOR Still wearing my golden vexing chain of justice that will rapeface mafia in the ... face. I will elaborate when I get home (about 4 hours). But hey I'm amazing, fresh blood, and eager to get revenge for the disaster that was last game. What more do you need to know? | ||
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On March 11 2010 04:50 citi.zen wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2010 04:32 Versatile wrote: yes, but we don't know if we have two DTs, and since we don't know, how do you verify the 2nd DT? ie) GF claims DT. gets elected mayor. DT confirms him as "innocent". and then mafia member steps up as "2nd DT". only person who can confirm him is the other DT, and by then it's day 2 and the mafia could have hit him, or maybe he decides to use his rolecheck on someone else. so you've got 2 mafia parading around as innocents, and one of them has 3 votes. i'm just saying, there are too many holes, and it's too risky to elect someone based on just their roleclaim. and personally, i just wouldn't trust a roleclaim that early, especially from a blue. if it were me, i'd try to get elected, and if i did, THEN i'd come out and say, "AHA! gotchu hoes. i'm a DT/medic/etc". I'o'no man, U surez ur tail be dift AFTa we piks da' pigz??!? you know chezinu may post nonsense but at least it's readable nonsense xD | ||
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On March 11 2010 05:52 Abenson wrote: The game has started, right? When will we get our Day1 post? reading the thread is a good skill to have | ||
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On March 11 2010 09:45 Incognito wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2010 08:25 Fulgrim wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2010 05:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As for mayoral elections. I, BloodyC0bbler, am running for office. With the setup of this game, and the fact elected positions can be RC'd, the elected positions are far more likely to end up in townie hands. This is a good thing, and I believe it is in our best interests to make sure town can get in. I believe that I would be a good candidate because I have many games worth of experience, a few as an elected official, and others where I have have helped in the pinning of reds. I believe that from this experience I will be able to help the town quickly and hopefully bring about a swift end to the mafia. The Plan: The plan is simple. Whoever is elected (in this case I would love it to be me), but regardless, whoever is elected. The dt or dt's will both check the elected officials. I would say if your a dt and numbered 1-12 on the list, check the mayor, 13-25 check the pardoner. Instantly we have information. If they are a blue role you write it down. If they are red, speak up to someone (possibly wait a day to find a green person in a check). Reveal the findings, person dies. If they are green, keep them on a seperate list. Soon as you get two greens, RC them, and tell them who you checked and start a circle. If you get blues. Keep that info to yourself until you need it proved. If you find a dt, make them check someone (most likely one you've checked to confirm), medic prot someone, vig hit someone, etc... Anyone who flips red dies. For all those who are not a dt. Constantly update your posts in the archive thread, and carefully analyze peoples posting behaviours. If you think something is a tell, or feel they are scummy, rather than just point a finger, really sit down and prove it. But be aware that if you cause the death of an important player and they flip town, you will prob quickly follow. Medics, protect the bgs with your life. We will randomly pick one from the list of two, and then tell you to prot them. Past protecting the bgs, no one talk to them in PM's, IM's, or IRC, period. They are not confirmable, do not associate with them. They can talk via thread, feel free to respond to them here, do not tell them anything. Conclusion: This game can be won very easily if we play it smart. I believe outside of my general plan to play, the reason I should be elected is I believe I will represent a threat to the mafia, which means they will have to actively try to remove me, which will give themselves away. If they don't I will continue to strengthen the town, and effectively force them to GG. Looking over the rules for the game, it looks like pardoner isn't going to play that much of an important role this game, its more of the mayor that we have to worry about. The mafia want to have the mayor role, and the only way they are going to get it safely is through their godfather. I think its probably safe to say that no "ordinary" mafia are going to be running for office. I'm surprised you say this. Pardoner is generally considered the more powerful office for mafia. Three votes is big, but a pardon can be more devastating if used near the end of the game on a double lynch day when both top candidates are mafia. The mayor can be held accountable for his 3 votes, and they can be tracked throughout the game. The pardoner however, will most likely use his abilities at one critical moment, which will come as a surprise to the town. We can't let that happen. this always gets brought up but it never quite ends up working that way. you have to consider that this is a TL game, and the pardoner is viewed as the mayor runner-up. mayor's the big dog. he runs the show. especially in these games, a single mayor has a lot of power not through his votes or invincibility but through his ability to sway people's opinions since inherently he is in power if only because players think he is. by simply encouraging shitty bandwagons or stopping good ones and otherwise misdirecting the town, a mafia mayor can really fuck shit up, moreso than a pardoner with that "game-winning pardon" that never comes to pass | ||
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On March 11 2010 12:57 Fulgrim wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2010 12:35 citi.zen wrote: + Show Spoiler + From: Fulgrim [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Bonjour Date: 3/11/10 12:26 Tu es rouge oui? C'est la verite? J'espere que je ne mort pas la derniere nuit. Reply Keep'em coming. I'm so proud of typing that without a translator, pure skill alone. let's put my french course to work from like 7 years ago >.< you're red yes? it's the truth? something something dead last night? or next night, idk lol | ||
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On March 11 2010 13:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2010 13:25 JeeJee wrote: so L, you're not an idiot, what do you think implying "hey I'm not green" is going to accomplish, pre-election? It appears that he is hoping to get into office based on "hey im not green" yeah but nobody's dumb enough to put any weight on that claim, so i'm just wondering what his real reason was for mentioning it. mindgamez'ing the mafia? | ||
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Back up, foos. Let's step back and think. We have a bunch of people who are claiming non-townie roles running for mayor. We already have PM claims going on (what the hell?). All this is going to lead to some stupid days 2-3. L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . . It doesn't add up, brah | ||
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On March 12 2010 01:04 citi.zen wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote: If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades. Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate. That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia. I would probably vote for bill before you. However, there are two blue claims, so I must vote for one of those. However misguided their actions are to date. wrong wrong wrong why are you voting because they claimed they are not green? That is stupid. Anyone can do that, nobody can be verified. You should vote on those that seem the least scummy/most likely to be innocent. And yes they'll likely end up blue given the format but them claiming so should not be affecting your decision Look at the plans they've proposed, look at their participation in the thread and how they respond to other's questions. I wouldn't be voting for L if I were you | ||
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On March 12 2010 01:43 citi.zen wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2010 01:11 JeeJee wrote: On March 12 2010 01:04 citi.zen wrote: On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote: If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades. Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate. That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia. I would probably vote for bill before you. However, there are two blue claims, so I must vote for one of those. However misguided their actions are to date. wrong wrong wrong why are you voting because they claimed they are not green? That is stupid. Anyone can do that, nobody can be verified. You should vote on those that seem the least scummy/most likely to be innocent. And yes they'll likely end up blue given the format but them claiming so should not be affecting your decision Look at the plans they've proposed, look at their participation in the thread and how they respond to other's questions. I wouldn't be voting for L if I were you You're right: anyone can relo-claim. Would you (or anyone else) like to step up? what's the point? You still haven't answered why you are choosing to vote for the claimers solely because they're, well, claiming. | ||
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On March 12 2010 02:21 L wrote: Show nested quote + Not really. L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . . It doesn't add up, brah It seems pretty obvious that a number of the people running probably aren't blue; I didn't tell people not to run if they're green prior to after pretty much all of the competitive candidates already threw their hat in the ring; the question is whether or not they think they should push for the role after thinking about the game format. This game format is interesting because despite the fact that the offices can be confirmed, they can also be easily disposed of because of the bodyguard issues. If cobbler's a DT, I think its best for him to push. If Incog is green, I think its better for him to just step out of the race. If bill murray.. well no one cares there. If one of us are mafia, we're getting elected; Period. The question would be which of the innocents is getting in? Its also possible that no mafia get in if they decide to simply not make a run for office, which happens too. The alternative position, again, is that someone who's green can run for, say, pardoner, then have himself killed in order to get an ordered roleclaim started. I find it unlikely that anyone besides me would have the balls to do this because: 1) Ver's not in the game. 2) Showtime's not in the game 3) Judge is not in the game. The key point, however, is that medics can prevent a lot of mafia kp from getting through; If the medic protects the bgs under attack, it would take 2 full turns to break through the bodyguards, then a doublestack to kill the office member in play. That however, relies on the ability of us to focus our only medic on the BGs, which means that roleclaimed non-office blues present us with protection problems; Unless we have a bus claim to a confirmed office member, we can't really protect both extra and intra office blues. This is why I didn't want people explicitly claiming, and that's why it didn't matter if I said people shouldn't run as green: the candidacies were already in and no one had claimed at that point, so we were ironclad. If you guys think that my refusal to tell you what role I am is presents some sort of odd scumtell; you're retarded. You guys simply haven't been thinking about how to win. There's more to mafia than not have town members die; you need to develop a plan forward with the aim of winning otherwise you lose. This game has no clues, it has no list checks, it has very little kp on both teams. Its going to last for quite a while, so think ahead to days 3-4. Unlike in previous games wherein the game is basically over by then, that's simply not the case here. I personally have a plan that's almost assured to have us win. Once elected, I want a DT check thrown at me with a PM once they know my role. At that point, it should be pretty obvious what I'm trying to do from the DT's perspective and the town will have a relatively safe way to roleclaim. That said, there's a potential mafia bus driver problem, but I can get around that if I'm elected by using our bus and a few pms. I'll explain further during the night, and I'll need a few people to trust me, but if everything works out the game's pretty much won for town. it's amazing how you can write so much yet say so little | ||
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On March 12 2010 04:10 L wrote: Its amazing how you can write something and convey only a complete lack of reading comprehension. oh i completely understood everything you wrote. unfortunately there just wasn't that much to it, which is what i pointed out. sorry if that was too complex of a thought process for you | ||
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On March 12 2010 04:24 L wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2010 04:17 JeeJee wrote: On March 12 2010 04:10 L wrote: it's amazing how you can write so much yet say so little Its amazing how you can write something and convey only a complete lack of reading comprehension. oh i completely understood everything you wrote. unfortunately there just wasn't that much to it, which is what i pointed out. sorry if that was too complex of a thought process for you Once again, you write something and convey a complete lack of reading comprehension. You sir, are impressive. you're not helping your case | ||
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On March 12 2010 11:29 johnnyspazz wrote: i i'm a little confused here it's true he's running on the basis that he has a role that makes him want mayor and is not green he's just basically leaving open the possibility to go "lulz im a not-aligned busdriver" | ||
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On March 12 2010 11:47 L wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2010 11:44 JeeJee wrote: On March 12 2010 11:29 johnnyspazz wrote: Someone said that I'm running on the basis that I'm blue: I'm not. Greens shouldn't be running for office unless they plan on losing. ii'm a little confused here it's true he's running on the basis that he has a role that makes him want mayor and is not green he's just basically leaving open the possibility to go "lulz im a not-aligned busdriver" Did you read what I wrote about being green? I would suggest that you check the part involving someone killing themselves with the addendum that says "the only player in this game who's ballsy enough to do that is L". Am I L? Oh, looks like I am. Hence if I'm running as green, I'm going to kill myself as confirmation in the part of a larger plan. 2+2. except you're not you have explcitly stated you're running for mayor, not pardoner you've also explicitly stated anyone running for mayor as a green is doing dumb shit and wants to lose. ergo, unless you're doing dumb shit and want town to lose, you're not green | ||
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On March 13 2010 09:47 L wrote: You're also claiming at once that you're both 1) Worthy of being medic protected and 2) Green. The two do not add up. I could push this line of reasoning, but why? because it's wrong? how many times do you want him to post Once again, I'm not green. Why do you keep saying that? | ||
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On March 13 2010 12:03 L wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2010 12:01 Bill Murray wrote: jeejee pmed me telling me to change my vote, and I originally wanted Incognito in power anyways. I voted for BC out of necessity so I can make the mafia waste a hit on me later on. I guess i've finally convinced people not to trust you, and i'm going to admit something now: I kind of trust you, L. Sorry that I was so accusatory with you, I sort of had to do that to keep myself alive. I feel like you're either townie or the bus driver... only like 10-15% chance of being mafia. Well, doesn't really matter. Both you and JeeJee should probably be our next 2 lynch targets. If you believed me, and thought i was the driver, you'd want me sitting protected as pardoner. Incog now has the most BLATANTLY OBVIOUS FISHY VOTE TRAIN that I've ever seen. Bunch of inactives, then a vote swing. Wow. yeah i tried my best to start the swing via PMs because i trust incog, i don't trust you, and if you were mafia, changing votes ahead of time with 3 viable candidates pretty much guarantees that they get who they want in via gradual change themselves (or last-minute wagon if they want to look fishy). at this point, i'm sure they didn't get who they wanted in. but hey if you think i'm mafia and dumb enough to pm random people and ask to change the vote instead of working with my mafia buddies, then what can i say. all mindgamez now | ||
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On March 13 2010 12:42 citi.zen wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2010 12:12 JeeJee wrote: On March 13 2010 12:03 L wrote: On March 13 2010 12:01 Bill Murray wrote: jeejee pmed me telling me to change my vote, and I originally wanted Incognito in power anyways. I voted for BC out of necessity so I can make the mafia waste a hit on me later on. I guess i've finally convinced people not to trust you, and i'm going to admit something now: I kind of trust you, L. Sorry that I was so accusatory with you, I sort of had to do that to keep myself alive. I feel like you're either townie or the bus driver... only like 10-15% chance of being mafia. Well, doesn't really matter. Both you and JeeJee should probably be our next 2 lynch targets. If you believed me, and thought i was the driver, you'd want me sitting protected as pardoner. Incog now has the most BLATANTLY OBVIOUS FISHY VOTE TRAIN that I've ever seen. Bunch of inactives, then a vote swing. Wow. yeah i tried my best to start the swing via PMs because i trust incog, i don't trust you, and if you were mafia, changing votes ahead of time with 3 viable candidates pretty much guarantees that they get who they want in via gradual change themselves (or last-minute wagon if they want to look fishy). at this point, i'm sure they didn't get who they wanted in. but hey if you think i'm mafia and dumb enough to pm random people and ask to change the vote instead of working with my mafia buddies, then what can i say. all mindgamez now How can. You openly say you "trust incognito" at this point in the game? Even he will tell you right now it's based on... nothing. Maybe faith. I didn't have you picked as the gullible kind. wow you really want me to spell out the context for you? i trusted incog more than i trusted L during the election process. and so here we are. | ||
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On March 13 2010 12:49 citi.zen wrote: Enogh to start pm-ing people campaigning for him. Say you are right and L is red. Would it make sense to contact unproven people to convince them of that? What are the chances of reaching out to another red? Why does that not concern you? Lol - oopsie... I mean "yes please" spell out the context. silly silly of course! if i am right, i probably did get in contact with a red (although to be fair i think i only pm'd like 2 people that voted for L so maybe i didn't), and it's just another way to get them to talk. the more reds talk, the better; should be self-explanatory why this is. | ||
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March 19 2010 01:32 GMT
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