EPTZorkmid needs to get a second chance.
Zorkmid is getting a second chance?
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Zorkmid is getting a second chance? | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Not as far as I know. But if BM gets a third chance, I don't logically see why we are denying zorkmid, who asked a lot more humbly for one, a second chance. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On November 10 2011 07:02 redFF wrote: isn't this exactly what's happening with bill murray? I don't get where all this pointless sympathy for him comes in. Bill Murray is on either his 2nd or 3rd perm ban, I can't recall. The guy hasn't learned his lesson and I don't see any reason, or anything he has done to earn more leniency from us. Without me going into detail, right before Qatol stepped down and BM was requesting back in he took shallow, and unnecessary jabs at jackal for something that happened literally months ago which was a contributing factor to WHY he got banned in the first place. Yet, for some reason you among others insist on giving this guy another chance he clearly doesn't deserve under his word that he has "changed" which the above reference shows he just hasn't. The guy is 26 years old, if he is still a dick now he isn't going to change anytime soon. So basically your entire suggestion for the overhaul of the banlist system is because you don't want BM to be banned anymore? Quite absurd. I feel most people should know I am generally lenient as a player and a host and I really don't care that much and I let a LOT slide in my games. But when I tell you BM hasn't changed, trust me he hasn't. I can see this shit from a mile away, but honestly I am getting tired of reiterating the same arguments over and over again. I feel like a parent telling my kids "Don't hang out with that johnny boy from down the street, he is just going to get you in trouble." And you insist he is a fine young chap and do it anyway. So when the time comes and you guys find yourself under arrest for grand theft and arson don't waste your one phone call on poppa RoL because all you are going to get is a stern "I told you so." With that I am completely done arguing this issue. I don't care anymore. If I tell you the stove is hot and you still want to touch it, then do it. I am not taking you to the hospital though. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
I still think wisdom of the crowds is a good system and would be useful though. Ironic, coming from a mafia player. Perhaps current TL towns are too used to getting lucky lynching mafia... | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 10 2011 14:29 Incognito wrote: Ironic, coming from a mafia player. Perhaps current TL towns are too used to getting lucky lynching mafia... rofl this shit is endless | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:29 Qatol wrote: But that's the whole point. You were gone. You weren't really affected by your ban up until this point because you weren't around. It doesn't make sense to let people use games in which they wouldn't have played anyways against a ban. Oh no, you misunderstood me. I haven't gone a day (almost) without visiting THIS sub-forum. I can assure you there have been SEVERAL games I would have played. There are a few reasons why I haven't been /sitout'ing games. But I came to a couple of realizations. 1) Assholes are identical, internet-wide. Playing exclusively elsewhere isn't going to change that. 2) Players on other sites don't give a shit if idra ragequit AGAIN or if Hero is the hottest thing to hit protoss since MC. 3) You guys are WAY cooler than most other internet peoples, even subtracting 2). 4) Whether I agreed with my ban or not, my name IS on the list, and if I ever want to play here again (I do) then I need to start sitting out games. At any rate, GM already explained the necessity behind the mechanics of the banlist to me when I came in and bitched about it...months ago. I get it. I was just saying it sucks. Because it does. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On November 10 2011 23:21 Bill Murray wrote: I dislike RoL's post and find it very offensive. I am not 26, either. We just need to form a good discussion going, as it seems it is needed. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On November 10 2011 16:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh no, you misunderstood me. I haven't gone a day (almost) without visiting THIS sub-forum. I can assure you there have been SEVERAL games I would have played. There are a few reasons why I haven't been /sitout'ing games. But I came to a couple of realizations. 1) Assholes are identical, internet-wide. Playing exclusively elsewhere isn't going to change that. 2) Players on other sites don't give a shit if idra ragequit AGAIN or if Hero is the hottest thing to hit protoss since MC. 3) You guys are WAY cooler than most other internet peoples, even subtracting 2). 4) Whether I agreed with my ban or not, my name IS on the list, and if I ever want to play here again (I do) then I need to start sitting out games. At any rate, GM already explained the necessity behind the mechanics of the banlist to me when I came in and bitched about it...months ago. I get it. I was just saying it sucks. Because it does. My apologies for misunderstanding. I agree that the system is pretty hard on the people who punish themselves based upon their actions. Sadly, there aren't many people like that on the internet. Regardless, you have my sympathies. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
Re: Zorkmid, he is banned. If he comes back asking to play, we can treat it similar to BM's case - we can talk about it, and if we think he's truly sorry he could be given another chance. But permabans should always be handled case by case. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On November 10 2011 23:21 Bill Murray wrote: I dislike RoL's post and find it very offensive. I am not 26, either. Noted. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On November 11 2011 04:27 iGrok wrote: Re: Zorkmid, he is banned. If he comes back asking to play, we can treat it similar to BM's case - we can talk about it, and if we think he's truly sorry he could be given another chance. But permabans should always be handled case by case. He did. We ran him off because we "don't want to play with game ruiners" and he left, rather than pressing the issue. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On November 11 2011 04:41 GMarshal wrote: He did. We ran him off because we "don't want to play with game ruiners" and he left, rather than pressing the issue. Precisely what I'm saying. BM is only being considered in 2 months because some people thought it was time. We didn't want Zorkmid to come back yet, so he is still banned. What I'm saying is, the system works | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
edit - and what is the (x2) for | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On November 11 2011 05:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm banned for requesting a replacement in Personality Mafia? That's hardly fair. Can I be removed please? edit - and what is the (x2) for I think you were banned for asking for a replacement in LotR | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On November 11 2011 05:50 chaoser wrote: I think you were banned for asking for a replacement in LotR In the game thread I signed up for I was told it was Personality Mafia. I don't think it's fair to ban a player for 3 games because something came up in their personal life and they contacted a mod about a replacement. Banning is about preventing players from leaving games for no reason, not voting, not participating, cheating, etc. What happened was unfortunate for the game, but there is no reason to reprimand me for it. That's ridiculous. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On September 02 2011 04:49 GMarshal wrote: Qatol is exceedingly busy, so I'll handle the rest of the bans so we can move on. Same guidelines apply as above. I'll only do vote-counts for controversial or heavily disputed bans, those with clear majorities or with no dissent I'll just give the majority ruling. If anyone feels like I misrepresented a situation please post and explain where, and I'll happily assemble a votecount. This one is a little more tricky, so, a vote tally (oh boy, this is *exciting*! :-P) One game ban (3) + Show Spoiler + Cohost On August 27 2011 14:31 sandroba wrote: 1 ban for DocH: inactivity is what really ruins mafia games. No ban (1) + Show Spoiler + On August 25 2011 14:30 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I will give my opinion on a few of the bans. I am fine with how you handled OpZ, DrH is kind of giving warning by asking to be subbed out, we can simply ask for his reason but I don't think asking to be subbed out deserves a ban. Those are the only posts really addressing Dr.H directly, if someone feels like I missed their opinion please point it out. 3 to 1, and no real argument against it, I think a one game ban for joining a game with no intent to play is what a majority wants. Incognito's logic (he was using the account Protractinium to host PYP:Interesting - the situation is similar and the argument is pretty much the same) On October 24 2011 07:20 Protactinium wrote: I am going to request 1 game bans for sinani206. sinani206 brings up an example of what seems to be happening fairly often in recent games. People join games, then after the game starts, send a PM asking to be replaced with little to no compelling reasons. I understand that sometimes something important unexpectedly comes up, but this is getting ridiculous. Reasons like "I just came back from vacation and am too busy" really don't cut it. The exemptions are there to grant leniency in serious emergency cases and should not be used liberally. In the past few games I think this leniency has been abused, and it is not fair to the hosts and players when you decide you want to be replaced without a serious excuse. I think that because of the new trend of accepting replacements, people have taken their commitment to the game less seriously and are using replacements as an easy out. I don't think many of the people asking for replacements have ever hosted a game, but it is seriously a big headache to the host when they have to scramble on short notice to find a player to replace you. The replacement policy is not here to allow you to pass your burden off to the host when you dont want to play anymore. It is here primarily to deal with emergencies. When you sign up for a game, you are signalling your intention to play. Please take it seriously. As for the other ban: On September 20 2011 15:10 Curu wrote: DoctorHelvetica have been modkilled. For DoctorHelvetica, this is the third game in a row that he has not finished. I request a one game ban for him as well. I think the whole point was that you didn't give an excuse at all, so they didn't know if it was something foreseeable like "finals are coming up!" where you should have known better than to sign up for the game in the first place or something unforeseeable like "I've just been kicked out of my apartment!" where you couldn't control it. I personally have no problem with no punishment if you tell us that your reason was something serious (you don't have to say what it was - I want to respect your privacy). As for why it's 3 games and there is the x2 mark: On September 26 2011 09:23 Qatol wrote: Bans/warnings from Personality Mafia: (thanks GMarshal!) DoctorHelvectica VisceraEyes VisceraEyes then got modkilled again in XLIV. No punishment was discussed for him, but I'm still not 100% sure what we do when someone is already on the ban list and then gets banned again. Right now I'm gong to write him down as getting the bigger of the two bans (so 3 games) and we can talk about it. LOTR Mafia: DoctorHelvetica - he has the same problem as VisceraEyes, so as a placeholder I'm doing the same thing I did before | ||
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